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black lives matter. the need to even say that in this day and age shows how big the chasm between races still is in america. i'm talking about the outrage over last week's grand jury decision not to indict a police officer in the shooting death of an unarmed teenager. you are looking at live pictures from chicago, illinois. there are protests underway across the country, and these protests are about yesterday's decision not to indict a white police officerman in the choking death of eric garner, an unarmed black man in new york city. and all of this comes one week after a surveillance video showed a white police officer shooting an 12-year-old african american boy in cleveland who was holding a pellet gun. attorney general eric holder
announced from cleveland that a justice department investigation uncovered pattern of quote unreasonable and unnecessary quote by the police department going back years. i'm going to ask a provocative question. what is a black person's life worth in america today? undeniably the answer should be equal to any other life in this country, but in economic terms, blacks are undeniably worthless than the rest of americans, and the gap is widening, not their r narrowing. median household income in america. but median household income for blacks in america, 34,598 dollars. that is one-third less than all americans put together. the biggest reason for the discrepancy is of course poverty. 14.5% of the u.s. population
lived in poverty in 2013. that's a figure that has climbed since the recession. poverty amongst blacks was almost double the figure another 22.2%. back in 1968, the reverend martin luther king, jr. was starting to launch a push to fight poverty that he called the poor people's campaign. the median black income was $0.60 for every dollar of the median white income. that number has fallen a penny by 2013. blacks have come a long way in the decades, but the structural problems in this country that have kept blacks from prospering are still with us. that's when we look at the chasm today, we cannot look at them in a vacuum.
ryan mac joins me from washington. ryan good to see you. this is something -- you are a financial advisor, but you are actually written a book about this. you have dealt with young black men who have gone to jail, come out of jail, who are not looking at a life full of hope, who are chronically unemployed, at a rate much higher than the national population. at some .1 has to come forward and say that the value of a black life in america has not improved a whole lot since the day that martin luther king decided he wanted to push forward. >> you are right, i have traveled across the country teaching in prisons financial literacy to those who are soon to be released. and the number one reason that most of those individuals in prison say they have committed crimes, and many gang members
who i have taught, the reason for that was hunger. there is a positive correlation between poverty and crime. so you are absolutely right in your lead-in there, ali. martin luther king had a movement. the next phase of the civil rights movement was going to be fought on an economic front, which is a discussion that if we are brave enough we can have -- to focus on -- ferguson is just as much about economics as about race. and are we brave enough to focus in on the poverty culture, which is a mind set to say, what can we do about the black and white -- i think if we're brave enough we can start having those discussions. >> well, let's start. we know from the things we have been covering, that the lingering distrust between minorities and police is there, and that is a long-standing problem. there is also a lingering distrust amongst a lot of the
people you talked to just for the institutions of prosperity including banks. >> right. well, the bottom line is there are -- i do a lot of work with police officers as well. most police officers i know are good ones. but there are bad ones. most of the banks we work with are great banks, but there are financial institutions that are bad. we try to broadcast a brood net over all of those things, and again, if we start to educate ourselves -- again, there is nothing wrong with being ignorant, but there is something wrong with staying ignorant. i say to individuals you don't have to trust me, but you will trust a contract, and if you learn how to read the fine print and learn how to navigate, there's no reason to mistrust banks. because you can learn how to use financial tools responsibly so
you can come out on top. and that's what the individuals who are truly savvy about building growth principals are savvy about. and i have to say looking at mike brown -- i mean my heart reaches out to him and his family. but in both mike brown and eric garner's case, there are questions of what was he doing? he was alleged i will stealing cigars. again, there is a correlation between poverty and crime. so if we can fix the poverty, and create jobs, start businesses, then we shouldn't be protesting against police officers, as much as we should be protesting in order to save the businesses, which is the
second victim of ferguson, because you don't destroy your economic base that is going to get you out of this economic situation, and change the overall poverty culture of the community. >> we talk about poverty culture, and your book is a really great read because it does deal with personal responsibility. you are dealing with people who have struggled in life, and trying to give them a road map to a certain degree of prosperity. but when you realize blacks versus white make $0.60 on a dollar, they are making a cent less than they were in 1968. some of that is personal responsibility, but there's something structural there that is very hard to argue, so when you talk about changing poverty culture, what else are the big movers on that front? >> again, this is the problem that we have, and it's too many times a one-sided conversation, whether it's an all of the above conversation f we blame the
police officers without taking any accountability for our actions, and say let's protest to create businesses, protest to own homes. the white population -- 74% of whites own homes versus only 43% of blacks own homes. these lead to unemployment rates. maybe create jobs, learning how to be entrepreneurship mind set, creating and supporting businesses, and learning how to save our money to support businesses. i'm out there picketing too with my friends, and will continue to picket, but i'm also going to be campaigning to fight to save our businesses, create them, to learn about -- many individuals don't know what fico means. they don't understand if you don't know about the credit score then you can't purchase homes, start businesses, and then you will put yourself in a
perpetual underclass of society, that you will find yourself in positions where you will be targeted by financial predators and targeted by institutions such as bad police officers who will say that is a highly impoverished area, they are more likely to commit crimes. but we have to start looking at all sides of the problem. >> and you have done that for many years. good to see you have. ryan mac is also a personal financial planner and an author. second night of protests after the grand jury decision in the death of eric garner. we're going to look at live picture from washington, d.c. when we come back, protests are growing across the country and new york. patricia sabga is on the streets of new york. we'll take you to her as soon as we come back.
♪ live pictures from washington, d.c. of protests continuing now for the second night in a row, after yesterday's decision not to indict. the police officer shown on that video, leading to the choking death of eric garner in staten island. i want to go now to the streets of new york city. patricia sabga is live in lower manhattan, where she has been reporting on these protests for the course of the afternoon. patty what is going on where you are? >> reporter: well, right now, ali this crowd is on the move. but just to give you a sense of how strong this protest was. it took about 30 to 40 minutes for the protesters to empty out from the square behind me. they were on the move. a large group of them split off,
and they were headed towards one police plaza. another group split off in another direction. whether they are headed for the brooklyn bridge, i can't tell you right now. let me give you an idea, though, of the diversity of this crowd. it crossed all age groups, all ethnicities, people coming out to express their anger and their anguish, and their frustration and desire for change. of course this comes on a day when the mayor did announce some details of the retraining, the 22,000 members of the nypd are going to undergo. three days of training, including things like how to de-escalate a situation. all of this heads towards resetting the relationship of the nypd with the community. i did get a chance to get into the crowd. it was very densely packed, but
very, very peaceful, even though you had thousands of people hemmed into a small space. one young lawyer was outraged by the grand jury's decision, and had come out here to express his support and throw his support behind speaking justice if you well. i spoke to a young woman who expressed her disappointment, because she said just chanting and flowing up placards is not going to be enough. he was very afraid that what we saw here -- this show, this protest tonight, she was afraid it might lose momentum, and of course, that has happened in the past with other movements that we have seen. but tonight a few thousand people came out here, and that crowd is now on the move. >> what is the tension? you are seeing protesters, police next to them in, we have seen protesters moving around
police cars and other cars. is there tension? give me a sense of -- the feel of it. >> reporter: i wouldn't describe it so much as -- it was definitely -- there was emotion, and a certain degree of tension, but it was very civil, and most of the encounters that i saw -- you did see some people raising their voice, but nothing that got out of hand at least from where i was standing. >> patricia sabga in the streets of new york. this is some video of the protests we were looking at earlier today. and we'll continue to go back to the protests. the deaths of michael brown and eric garner have renewed calls for change in the way policing is handled in america. this is the new york mayor, we just saw emotion in new york is high. >> this is not just a problem. it is an american problem.
an american challenge. an issue that goes back to the founding of this republic that we still haven't resolved. our generation has to resolve it. the leaders you see around me, we are all responsible now. the weight of history can't be our excuse. >> and president obama echoed that sentiment. >> for too long, and it's time for us to make more progress than we have made. and i'm not interested in talk. i'm interested in action, and i am absolutely committed as president of the united states to making sure that we have a country in which everybody believes in the core principle that we are equal under the law. >> and my guest says this goes beyond policing. cynthia davis is from the national action network. she is president of its staten island, new york chapter.
she joined the families of michael brown and eric garner at a press conference yesterday. also joined by calvin alexander, a former new york police sergea sergeant. he is now a member of a non-profit that announced a new program today to retrain police officers. thank you both for being with us. you heard patricia's comments about the mayor saying that he -- they are initiating a retraining project for 22,000 new york city police officers. yesterday the new york police came out with a statement saying they wanted to rebuild trust with the community. and the police officer in question very different from ferguson, missouri, actually issued an apology that looked like an apology. where do we go from here? >> i think it's a beginning.
but we have much much further to go. the 120th precinct where eric garner was murdered, actually the nypd in that area established a citizen's task force. and i'm a member, and it's an an effort to build relationships with the police department. we work together closely on serious issues in the area, and work in a timely manner to work the problems out. >> we're going to be dropping in and out of various pictures that we're getting. these are live pictures in chicago. you see a big police presence, and you see people apparently running across that overpass there. we're not quite sure what is triggering this. but you are seeing people running across the road.
we're not controlling that camera, so you can look up on the right side of your screen as it pulls up, you'll see a police presence there. so we're keeping an eye on this. calvin alexander, you were a police sergeant. this is a complicated issue. it's a national issue and goes back through all of american time. >> yes, sir. >> very complicated, yesterday i had the deputy police chief from dallas, african american man, 26 years on the force. complicated being a black man on the police force with this level of tension. >> absolutely. when i was a police officer, we had other incidents that happened during the time that giuliani was major. and what we tried to do was really stay close to the community. we realized that -- and i think that police officers need to
understand this, that the police officer belong to the community. the community doesn't belong to the police. and oftentimes we get skewed in that sort of analysis of what is going on. we get caught in situations where these things happen where we -- you are all pumped up as a police officer, but if you really believe that you belong to the community then you would sort of -- >> you are there to protect. and this retraining that the mayor was talking about is about deescalation. cynthia, let's talk about what i was talking about with ryan mac. you observed that eric garner was not unemployed. and poverty does increase your chances of having a run in with police, and look, maybe the police are not well trained or maybe they are well trained but if you are gainfully employed
and looking for money your chances of having a run-in with police are better. >> yes, that's true. kelvin alex cancer when eric garner died, he was the first person i heard say everybody was focusing on the wrong issue. most of the young men out there on the streets and corners would not be out there if they had a job, if they had a way of getting a job -- >> and the poverty rate, calvin, for young -- for african americans is 27.2%. the national poverty rate if you include all americans is 14.5%. so it's double the national rate. we know that unemployment rates for black men are difficult. now you have a small business, a security firm. >> yes, sir. >> and you are specifically trying to address this issue with your small business. tell us about that. >> i tried to put the onus on the community after this
happened, that we have to begin to create jobs for those young men so we can take them off of the street. and if we can get them gainfully plea -- employed we will diminish their encounter with the police. if they don't have a job, the statistics go way up, past 70, 75%. so we can focus in on getting these young men jobs. put the onus on the community. we have a responsibility to begin to use our intellectual strengths, entrepreneurial strengths, and financial capacities to create jobs for our young people. and when you run into a cop like the one who ran into michael brown and eric garner, then the situation is different. police officers don't deal with
me in that way because i can deal with them in a position of wealth, intellectual strength, whereas a guy like eric garner was selling cigarettes and he has children. >> in other words there is a fear about you -- there's -- the constant fear and struggle about your economic position creates a different message. again, i just want to pop into the picture, again, on chicago. we're not sure what is happening, so i'm not going to speculate. we have protests going on across the city for the next night in a row. we saw people running. they seem to be staying somewhere at the moment. we're certainly not looking to inflame passions about this, because frankly the passions are inflamed, cynthia. and ryan mac said when bad things happen we call to
generalizations. and there is a lot of anger directed at police, and some idea that police are bad or bad to blacks. and as ryan has said, and that policeman i spoke to last night, and calvin, clearly there are policemen who are not bad. where do we change this? there is responsibility on the part of police, society, the community, and on the part of individuals. >> well, i do like what the mayor had to say about the bad police officers that we need to get them off of the streets and clean up the new york city police department. in that is a begin, but also i think with programs like the citizens' task force working with the nypd on staten island, and attacking the serious issues on the north shore we make changes -- >> do you feel that works? >> it works, because we have made changes.
meeting once, sometimes twice month. we take all of the complaints from the different housing projects, from the different areas, and we -- we come together. and we go meet with the people and come up with the solutions. for instance, in the housing projects, actually it was -- it was maybe a week before girly got shot in a dark staircase, we had a lot of complaints from the housing developments that there were no lights in the hallways. so the police department bought lights and put them in the staircase. >> interesting. so these problems can be solved? we're not always destined to have bad relations between young black men and police? >> well, it's a 350-year problem. >> yeah. >> so i can't sit here and tell you i think it is always going
to be those issues when i have sons that will be confronted by the police in the future. my hope is that we can work together. the situation might be a symptom of a deeper-rooted issue in america, and that's the employment issue. >> a young unemployed or underemployed black man has a higher incidence of having an encounter with a police officer? >> without a doubt. because eric garner had four children. if he was gainfully employed would be out there doing what he was doing or doing something with his children. >> right. >> that's a big difference. money and economics in this country makes a big difference. and we need to focus on that, and do something about that. i'm not talking about government giveaways and so forth. but let's get down on the ground and create the type of jobs and industries that this country has been known for, for centuries. let's do that. but we have to step forward in
our community and do that. because in between these incidents we need to step in the breach and start bringing these young people in and giving them something to do that is going to put money in their pockets so theying don't have to be out on the streets doing things. >> in a moment we're going to come back. this is the brooklyn bridge you are now looking at. packed with protesters. moving very slowly. they are -- they are moving very slowly. patricia sabga is following what is going on there. i want to take a quick break. we're staying on top of the protests across the country, where people are expressing, peacefully, thankfully, their anger and frustration with the system that we have seen leaving a few young men dead. we'll be right back with more coverage in a moment. you are watching "real money." ♪
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♪ >> keeping an eye on the situation across the country for you tonight, second night of protests after a no indictment in the case of eric garner's death. protests are underway. this is live in washington, d.c. right now. peaceful, relatively slow-moving protests, but big. in some cases bigger than they looked last night. and -- and we are largely seeing police alongside and on the margins, allowing these protests to happen peacefully. there is anger, there's no question. emotion is running high. we have patricia sabga in the streets of new york. we just showed you pictures of the brooklyn bridge where a remarkable number of people seem
to be moving across the brooklyn bridge. that's it. there's a light shining on it right now. in that bottom level is full of people. i'm here with cynthia davis and calvin alexander. calvin, you were a new york city sergeant. that's a lot of people. >> yes, it is. and oftentimes when they have the marathons, they have them where the cars drive. so they shut it down, and it's a lot wider, but this is a real slim walkway, so it's kind of tight. so i hope everybody is going to be already. but i am proud of america tonight. because they are focusing on something that has happening in this country for centuries. and it might be a watershed moment. >> i don't want to have this conversation in two years and two years and two years. this conversation repeats itself
when a young man dies at the hands of a police officer. and eventually it mrovs on. but in the end we can either say we are a country where races don't get along, or we can say there are underlying issues that have to be dealt with, and the difference in poverty rates and income rates, it's kind of fascinating that since 1968 blacks actually make less compared to whites than they did back then. it went up for a little while. but we're moving back again. how do we fix this? >> well, i think that the 60 -- i -- honestly, i don't have the answer. i can't makeup the answer. >> that was a fairly big question to ask. let me phrase it a different way which might actually get our heads around it. i don't know why i'm asking you
how we solve a 350-year problem. but calvin you are trying. you put out a hand to young black men who do not have the highest education levels to work in your business. tell me about this. >> we're going to be creating a school. we're going to teach young men to get their security license. and take it to cyber security, which is the next wave. we want to train young men so they can work not only in many my company, but in other companies around america. education can change things. my parents always talked about education, and we live in a society also now, that denigrates education. and that's a whole other issue. but we need to begin to educate these people, give them the confidence they need to put them to work. >> so -- cynthia, the
correlation between poverty education, and crime is direct. >> yes. >> if you get better than a high school education, your chances of being unemployed in this country are substantially lower. >> they are. >> so how do we tackle that? because that's integral. if you don't want to tackle this problem in 15 years, that means more kids need to stay in school. >> yes, but i deal with it at a different level. i think the root of the problem starts from home. a lot of these young people down on the streets, some of them are members of gangs. some of them never had real love and never was raised properly. so i think that we need to teach, first of all, some of these young parents how to be a parent.
and then they can teach their kids the proper way to grow up. i work with so many young people that are raising babies -- they are babies. they are raising their siblings. they may be 10, 11 years old, raising their siblings. >> this is a several decades old problem. what will change it? >> well, things are changing. you do have people now that are going into homes and -- and reaching out more to -- to a lot of these young people. we have our priority corner in the summertime where we are out on the weekends from 10:00 am until 2:00 in the morning -- >> 10:00 p.m. >> 10:00 pm until 2:00 in the morning, where we are reaching out information. showing love to a lot of the young parents, and we have helped a lot of people. we bring them in.
we teach them parenting classes. we also have -- teach them how to write resumes, how to dress when going on job interviews, and we give out numbers if you have a problem with your child, and you can't handle them, you can't cope with them, call us. we will help you cope with your child. it sounds maybe really small to some people -- >> it works. >> -- but you started somewhere, and you have to reach the soul of some of these people. because some of them are almost soulless. >> it's important to try to draw this picture for america. because there are some places where it seems hopeless. yesterday we looked at staten island, but it's very different. you look at some of that area -- we're bringing you in pictures live from washington -- it's serious there. there are people in some parts of brooklyn, queens, parts of
the bronx where they don't see the options, calvin for a pos -- prosperous life. >> right. there are pockets of wealth and then small pockets of poverty and degradation. but if everybody does a little bit of something. like i'm trying to do the employment peace. if somebody -- if everybody does a little bit, then we can begin to change. and i really believe it's going to change. i really believe that incident, that because of what is happening around the country tonight, these incidents are going to start to diminish. >> i think that's very interesting. stay with us, please, we're going to continue our coverage of this on al jazeera america. we'll be right back. stay with us. ♪
♪ these are pictures now from new york city. protesters moving around police cars. it's hard to see on tv, but it does all look very peaceful. you can see the police around the fringes. you can look at their body language. this doesn't look like a riot about to happen. >> it's not a riot, actually. but i know the police, and they are thinking -- they are a little indifferent, and ambivalent, and because of the culture of the police department, a lot of them are really confused, and maybe a little disgruntled and just hurt by the whole thing, because they don't see anything -- because when you are out there saving lives all the time -- >> right. you are not sure why everybody is mad at you.
and the chanting was nasty towards the police. >> correct. >> let's go to paul beeben what is going on? >> reporter: hey, ali, i'm looking up the brooklyn bridge now, and the earthbound side of the bridge is still closed, and that's where really about 15, 20 minutes ago, several thousand people who had amassed in foley's square, which is a block and a half uptown from here, surged out of the scare. they sort of split into two large streams around the municipal building. a large building right here in the middle of this area, and made their way to the base of the bridge where they were held back for a while by a large contingent of nypd. in the front was a group of family members. there was a procession of coffins that they were carrying
along, cardboard coffins, chanting about police brutality, some of those chants that you mentioned that cannot be repeated on family television. moving up the bridge. he went about a third of the way up the bridge with that group, where we got the sense if we kept going we wouldn't be allowed or able to come back to feed our material to the truck. and right now foley's square is largely empty. the crowd of 3 to 5,000 that was here earlier is largely gone, and it's not clear to me where they have gone, if they are all on the brooklyn side of the bridge right now, or if they have moved elsewhere in lower manhattan. >> we are watching pictures that you can see right now, paul. they are walking against traffic, walking with their hands up through traffic, again, a smaller group of people.
i want to be careful about what i'm saying in terms of locations, because it's kind of hard to get handle on. >> right. the brooklyn municipal buildings on the other side, maybe close to the barclay center, but, yeah, i think -- and this is just a guess, that part of the police strategy here may have been to get this crowd out of lower manhattan and try to disperse them on the other side of the bridge, maybe away from some of the potentially thornier areas. but as you mentioned earlier, it was largely peaceful, there were some nasty chanting, but overall not a confrontational atmosphere aside from a few agitated individuals. it was orderly. there was a sense that there were organizeds in the crowd that were trying to avoid
confrontation and let their voices be heard. >> paul stay with us, because i have a former new york police sergeant with me watching these pictures as you can describing them. it does sound like there is an effort to diffuse a little bit. there might have been organizers in the crowd trying to tamp things down. you are seeing police on motorbikes. what do you think is going on? >> they are also trying to make sure nobody gets hurt. because that's your main purpose as a police officer to make sure the people don't get hurt. and they have been told by the police commission to make sure that your interactions with these people are peaceful and caring. and even though they are on motorcycles and some have riot gear on, they are exercising a great deal of restraint. >> you heard those chants that paul referred to, the stuff we can't say on tv. they, nasty towards the police,
but these police can't respond. they cannot react name calling. >> you are not ever supposed to react to name calling. you are taught in the academy if somebody comes in your face and calls you everybody you are not supposed to say anything. because they have the constitutional right to free speech. >> which they are exercising now. >> absolutely. you are not supposed to react to words. >> so if somebody doesn't throw a punch or do something to a police officer tonight, you're not going to see -- >> you won't see any confrontation. >> paul beeben we are now looking at pictures where there is a line of police on motorcycles. it does appear these police are there to stop people from going into the holland tunnel. the crowd is pushing up against this. and we're seeing the motorcycles
reversing a little bit. some people are laying down in front of the motorcycles. what are you seeing as the interaction between police and protesters where you are? >> i would agree with the characterization that we just heard from our nypd expert there. i saw no officers in this riot gear. i have seen everyone in regular police blues. wearing the special jackets that designate come community relations officers. i saw nobody in full riot gear. most of the police are moving along with the crowds. keeping their hands at their sides or in their pockets. not interacting directly with the crowd, just moving along with the flow. if you see over at the holland tunnel, that is just a few block west of here. and that may be where a large portion of this crowd branched off. >> and patricia sabga was saying
that there -- emotions are high in the crowd, but tensions between the crowd and police do not seem to be high. >> reporter: i think that's fair to say. there are certainly individuals who are maybe making an effort to get people into a more confrontational posture, and for the most part people are talk them down or they are largely being ignored, largely like i saw last night in staten island. there were very emotional people there, and the garner stepfather talked them down. so i think a lot of people are moving through these crowds trying to keep things in a, quote unquote, more productive emotional tenure. >> they blocked that crowd from going to the holland tunnel, the crowd agitated, and now they are going somewhere else. and these police -- their thinking is we'll just keep
moving around with the crowd all right. >> that's correct. because the police don't want confrontations, and neither do the people. they don't want anybody to get hurt. as you can see when they got close to the cops, they did a little screaming and hollering and then they left. >> you can see traffic at a stand still in parts of lower manhattan as the protests continue across the city. we're covering this live on al jazeera america. we'll be right back. ♪
♪ live pictures of the protests continuing in new york city. i want to go to pall beeben again for a quick look. where are you paul, and wh are you seeing? >> reporter: i'm just east of city hall. and the outgoing part of the brooklyn bridge is still closed. that's where a large crowd amassed. moved out of foley square, accompanied by many officers. the protesters, i believe, have been kept on the brooklyn side
of the bridge. you mentioned you have seen a number of people at the holland tunnel. that may be people who have moved out of here. but at this point foley square is being at least partially reopen to traffic. so if the protesters are heading back this way, police must be anticipating that they are not going to be here any time soon or in large numbers. >> paul i know you are going to have to work long hours tonight, so i'll let you get ready for your next show. cynthia you were at the press conference yesterday. so you are not here covering up for police. >> no. >> you have said to me that the police in staten island, the north shore, you have found them very good to deal with. >> well, yes. i can't say all of the officers,
but in terms of community affairs, the commanding officer, the chief, even some of the officers they have been pretty good to the area. i just recently met an officer that was doing a beat in the area, a family was hungry. they were having a dispute with their landlord. their lights had been turned off. they had no food. it was a black family and a white cop. and he took money out of his own pocket and bought that family groceries. but those aren't the things that you hear about on the news. >> no, that's why i'm asking you. you are part of movement that is protesting these activities. >> the young man that died as -- the football player, the 120th precinct they collected over $3,000 from the officers to
put towards the young man's funeral. so they do a lot of things of that nature. not to say they are all bad or all good. but you have a lot of good police officers. you have some that are bad unfortunately, that makes it bad for the entire force. >> calvin i don't know that police officers -- i think it's right when police officers say theying want to all go home without shooting anybody. and nobody ever wants this to happen, so i don't know if racism is the fair allegation. it does seem to be lack of training, lack of the concept that you are there to de-escalate, protect your community, not be militarized and get into fighting engagements. >> i have been trained up the wazoo. i don't think training is the answer. i think there are certain police
officers who feel a certain way about certain people and they react. >> but your training was not insufficient. in other words you don't believe you would be kaukt in a situation where you are accidentally going to choke a man to death. >> absolutely correct. because i have been involved in many situations where these things could have happened, but because of my training, which we all have had, since eleanor bumpers, which was maybe 30 years ago, we are all trained how to de-escalate a situation like this. and also how to deal with a person like eric garner who might have been resisting, and the police officers might have reacted out of whatever they were feeling, but it wasn't lack of training by the police department. >> let's go to a journalist on the brooklyn side of the brooklyn bridge. >> reporter: i have just come across the other side of the brooklyn bridge. the whole bridge is full of
protesters. they are calling out yes don't get no justice, we don't get no peace. i talked to a man who was there last night. and maude -- [ inaudible ] amazing comparison to last night. so, yes, it's really amazing atmosphere out here right now. >> quite remarkable what we're seeing. we're seeing pictures of people who got into an intersection and laid down. stopped traffic for what appeared to be a minute, and then got up and moved on. what are you seeing in this crowd? >> it is completely mixed. people from all backgrounds.
like i said an older guy here. people are here, you know, calling out slogans and people just marching silently. they have come to the end of the bridge now, but seem to still be going. there is still a lot of energy here. >> are there still people on the brooklyn bridge at the moment? >> as far as i can see, they have cleared it now. but it covered the whole bridge when we were on it. i think they are going to move on. >> what is the mood you are seeing out there? an interaction with police, are the police all around the protesters? >> i saw some nypd community police say something with the guys from statton island. it's very peaceful. and very much in solidarity. no violence here. i think people are just chanting their slogans, marching, and i
haven't seen any problems with police. the only presence i have seen as i said are the community officers. >> thanks so much for your reporting. moments ago we were hearing from paul who was on -- he is on the manhattan side, where he says things have largely cleared out on that side. a lot of these people have gone into brooklyn and walking around, and we have seen them on the manhattan side at the end transto the holland tunnel, where they were not allowed to enter. we are now looking at live pictures in washington, d.c. this is night two. our reporting so far indicates no tensions -- no incidents between protesters and police. police seem to be surrounding these protesters, ensuring that no danger comes to them, but at the same time it seems to be ensuring they are not getting involved in any altercations.
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