. >> hello, a very warm welcome on the news hour. we're in doha our top stories this hour. a suspected taliban stronghold, killing 21 fighters. fighting in ramadi as the u.s. tries to persuade sunni tribes to help the iraqi forces. in the line of fire the number of attacks and civilian deaths on the rise in afghanistan. plus... >> i'm rob reynolds in
california on the sight that was formerly the largest encampments of homeless people in the united states. >> we begin in pakistan where the government has stepped up its military campaign against taliban fighters. intelligent forces tell al jazeera that the mastermind attack on a school which killed 132 people may himself been killed in an airstrike. he took responsibility for the attacks on a video released online. he said more attacks would target military families. it's thought that he may be one of 21 taliban airstrikes in the area. >> reporter: the pakistan military said it has killed a number of taliban fighters including a local commander. the operation took place as days
of after an attack on children by the taliban. >> we want to unite all pakistanpakistan pakistanis against the taliban. >> security is tight outside of the army-run school in peshawar. they killed more than 130 children and injured many others. people now fear more attacks. >> children ask me whether they're safe in school. kids ask me the same thing. the same thing could happen to them. the government should have a permanent solution for this. >> the taliban has pockets of public support across the country. the critics gather outside of the mosque, who are accused of
being sympathetic of the taliban. one thing that the government has done is lift a six-year moratorium on the death penalty. two men found guilty of the attacks from executed on friday. >> because in the past extrem extremists have attacked schools but never children like this. >> from anger against the taliban to grief for the young victims. it seems clear tuesday's attack has affected thousands of other people across pakistan. caroline malone, al jazeera. >> well, the taliban said tuesday's attack in peshawar was in retaliation of operations against their fighters.
since then more than 1800 taliban fighters have been killed according to the pakistani military. the u.s. has been conducting airstrikes against the taliban for the past ten years. it has been around 400 airstrikes since 2004, killing more than 2,000. joining us live via skype, good to have you with us, and we see after the peshawar school massacre will this operation succeed in significantly weakening the taliban? >> well, i think it is weakening the taliban. there have been several airstrikes and land attacks today. around peshawar. there have been four straight airstrikes, one attack which killed five militants, but what
people are really expecting now is the retaliation from the taliban. another consequence of that the whole country has gone into lockdown. all the schools and universities have been shut down prematurely well before the winter holidays were due. there were troops in locations such as colleges, railway stations, airports have been security has doubled and militants are out of jails where people persecuted for being members of the taliban, for carrying acts of terrorism are due to be executed. two people were hanged yesterd yesterday, and at least eight are expected to be hung today. >> would you say the country right now is in a state of heightened alert. the massacre would suggest that the security forces are not
capable of dealing with the fallout. is it then only a matter of time before we see another attack on a civilian target? >> i think there is no doubt that there will be more attacks by the taliban, and they will choose they will go against the sub targets like the school, i'm sure, and they have already threatened that they will possibly kidnap children of military and state security officers, or just kidnap children in general. >> when that happens will the government maintain its resolve? now they're saying they're going to change with the way they deal with the taliban. there won't be that disstink of the taliban hitting some and making peace with others. will they maintain their resolve should these attacks materialize particularly if their own children are attacked.
>> until now there have been serious divisions between the government and the opposition. and this has been terribly debilitating. the country has failed to address the terrorism issue. now after the peshawar killing all three elements of the state are coming together. i think it's too early to say whether this is going to last, but one thing is very important. the extremism could mobilize the government and mobilize against extremism. we still have radical creatures going around the country saying this was an indian plot, an american plot. this is not the taliban. these kinds of people need to be
counted effectively both by the state and civil society. we're seeing a very strong movement of civil society emerge. whether it's going to get the government support is critical. >> when we see these attacks in the past, foreign elements have been to blame, has this attack which has been the deadliest in years has it created enough shock, outrage to look inwards to the problems. is it a real turning point? >> yes, it has. one very important indicator of that is that the majority of people who have been commenting on whether it's in the media or on television it's only a
handful, but they need to be stopped. many are running religious schools and educating the young in a bad way. what the state needs to do is build up a narrative. we still have major politicians who do not condemn the taliban by name. they will sympathize with the victims of the attacks but they will not blame the taliban for what has happened. >> it was really good to talk to you.
there has been intense fighting in iraq's biggest province anbar. the army said its pushing back isil fighters. we're in baghdad with more on that. >> iraqi officials say that the military has beaten back an offensive by isil, one of the biggest air bases in iraq. isil fighters have tried to breach the defenses around the base. the american military advisers are based there as well as other members of the coalition assembled by the military. but they're advising iraqi forces on the ground led by iraqi special forces. they say that they fend it of off assault, an indication of how intense the fight something across the province. in ramadi, more clashes not far
from the government headquarters, which has been a major focus of fighting. across the province, iraq's biggest, they try to persuade sunni fighters to come on board, to fight with the iraqi. many are suspicious to fight with the iraqi government and fight with the americans. they are not sure where that will leave them. and areas south of baghdad where shia militias have been holding off isil with the iraqi military. anbar itself as with the last ten years remains a special case. >> the u.n. special envoy to syria has been trying to negotiate freedom fighting in
the city of aleppo, but there are concerns about the plan and can't come to an agreement. >> the united nations has a plan to stop the fighting in aleppo city. so far there has been no agreement. it hasn't given much details on how it can be implemented on the ground, but it's special envoys have said it could involved a monitoring mechanism that is backed by a security council resolution. that's what worries the syrian government. close to the authorities, he told us that the initiative does not just involve ending the bloodshed and allowing aid to reach those in need. >> the initiative of armed rebels taking over parts of east of aleppo. the government won't accept that because any agreement resoaring state sovereignty. >> this is one of the neighbors in the rebel-controlled east. syria's largest city has been
divided for over two years. government sources say that the u.n. plans to deploy international peace keepers and allow self rule. that, according to area sources, will not be acceptable. >> they still have not taken a final decision to accept or reject the plans. it, too, has concerns. it is worried that the government will take advantage of the lull in the fighting to intensify operations elsewhere. it wants the fighting to stop all the way up the occur tissue border. much of the north is in hello hands. a safe zone would allow refugees to return and opposition to governor territory. that means establishment of a no-fly zone. that's what the people want, but many are worried that the government will use the initiative to its own advantage.
>> the regime will be able to take advantage. and the respected cease fires in the past. >> this is the only road for vital supply lines. for now it may not feel the need to let go of territory. >> israeli planes attack after a rocket launch from gaza hit an open field in southern israel. there were no casualties on either side. >> a severe escalation, hamas warned against actions. >> the u.n. general assembly has
passed a non-binding resolution to ask israel to pay lebanon $118 million. it's over an oil spill that israel called in a fight against hezbollah in 2006. it created an oil slick that covered the entire lebanese coast line and extended to the syrian coach. 170 countries approved that resolution with only six nations, including the u.s. voting no. the u.s. government has transferred four prisoners from the guantanamo bay prison camp back to afghanistan. the detainees were reportedly sent back at the of cours request of president ashraf gandy.
. >> children were among the dozens killed when a suicide-bomber detonated himself at a volleyball match. the united nations said that civilians are increasingly in the line of fire. injuries and deaths are up 19% over last year. this is one of the latest victims. fighting for his life after a suicide-bomber detonated his explosives in an auditorium killing one. november was a bad month in the capitol. >> we've never seen so many explosions and attacks in the city. >> in the children's ward all the injuries are a result of shrapnel.
>> nearly 10,000 civilians have been killed or wounded in afghanistan this year. casualties are up 33%. the numbers are so high because of increased fighting between afghan government forces and taliban and other groups car bombs and buried explosives are another reason for the increase. it may included civilians in large numbers. >> they've improved their so-called code of conduct. there has been a number of steeves taken. the reality, however s that on the ground the situation has not measurebly improved because they still cause the majority of civilian casualties. >> the taliban dispute the u.n. findings. >> we reject this report and say that it is far from reality that 75% of the casualties are
attributed to us. most of these people are killed or wounded by american bombing or afghan soldiers or police. >> this time of year the fighting usually slows down but there has been no sign of that, and the number of civilian dead and wounded continue to rise. >> security forces in saudi arabia have killed four people they say are behind the killing of a saudi officer last sunday. the region has been the focal point of unrest of saudi shia since 2011. allowing 3,500 palestinians in egypt to cross. itin egypt to cross. it is the only access to the gaza strip not controlled by israel.
the crossing will be open for two days. al jazeera continues to demand the release of three journalists who have now been imprisons in egypt for 357 days. mohamed fahmy, bader mohammed, and peter greste were jailed on false charges of helping the outlawed muslim brotherhood muslim brotherhood. brotherhood. they're appealing against their convictions. one of south africa's most respected hiv awareness organizations is being forced to scale back its campaign. rebuilding lives after flash floods last month. coming up we'll have sport.
>> on friday an arrest warrant was made for a cleric who is accused of leading a criminal group. >> protesters make their feelings known during a court for the arrest of poor people. >> if this country gives in to desperatism. >> the media organization as were targeted on this man, wanted by the government of
erdogan for a plot of plans to overthrow him. he is said to live in this compound in the state of pennsylvania in self-imposed exile. the state department is not saying if extradition was made. >> we do not comment or confirm that an extradition request has been made. >> the ask for the arrest comes a year after wide-ranging corruption allegations first emerged about people close to then prime minister now president erdogan. three government ministers were forced to resign. erdogan said at the time gulen and supporters were behind corruption allegations. many were forced to resign, fired, or reassigned. now erdogan appears to be going after those affiliated with gulen, but it has come at a cost. the u.n. has called it
incompatible with the media, and al jazeera. >> ebola has killed more than 7,300 people in west africa according to the "world health organization." the figures were released as u.n. secretary general arrived in guinea as part of the visit to ebola ravaged countries. he visited a treatment center in sierra leone where he praised health workers battling the virus. it is getting harder for some organizations to raise funds for hiv awareness. the virus is the third leading death in the country, but one of the country's oldest and most respected campaign groups is being forced to scale back its resources. >> these children have been raped in this part of the
country. some men believe that having sex with a child will cure them from h.i.v. this bar owner is happy to help activists, yet they're facing a funding crisis. meetings like this could be the first services cut. >> these days ebola is an epidemic that makes people forget that people are dying of a.i.d.s. >> how does a virus cause a syndrome? it can't. >> activists led the charge against the denialism of south africa's former president. thousands of people protested the life-saving retro virals to
be made available. but every day the workers of hiv/aids activists continue on a much smaller scale. it's about reaching out to individuals and making sure that the message gets across that the battle against the virus is over and should be fought by everyone. the south african government has spent millions of dollars creating the biggest anti-retro viral in the world. but members say it's no time to relax. >> we got two and a half million people on treatment, but we also know that there are a lot of people now who are not adhering to their medicines, so there is all sorts of red lights that are flashing. and which say we have to keep our commitment. we've gone very far with hiv, but we've going to a lot further. >> the board is hopeful that it will find the money without activists like this south africans may never have faced up to the scale of the problem. the virus may not kill as many people as it used to, but it's
the third leading cause of death here. it will take time and money to change that. tanya page, al jazeera, johannesburg. >> in the third and final part of our series in south africa we look at the latest scientific developments including a vaccine that could reduce infections by 30%. that's on sunday right here on al jazeera. now flash floods swept through southern morocco three weeks ago, and people are just start to go rebuild their lives. 32 were killed and at least 100 houses destroyed. we have reports from the region. >> it's been three weeks since they lost their home. it was washed away by flash floods. >> my son said there could be heavy rain, but i didn't pay attention. i told him that i'll first have lunch and then i'll check what is going on. but the water came suddenly. it took everything.
>> the mud brick house could not with stand the force of the water that swept through the village. >> the kitchen was here. there was an upper floor there. when the water came in the walls collapsed. my bedroom was upstairs, but now it's on the ground. >> the slide at the foot of the mountains. it was one of the many places hid by torrential floods. the water came up to the second floor of this mosque behind me. now people say they have never seen such floods in their lifetime, and they do worry that it could happen again. that's why they say they'll rebuild their houses but somewhere else. >> taking refuge on top of the mosque. he watched helplessly as houses were submerged while others simply crumbled. it was terrifying hours that forced some to leave their
family home for good. >> it was a real hard decision. we have been here for 30 years. we know hour neighbors. we're used to this area, but we have to leave. it's too risky. it could happen again. it could be worst, who knows. >> 40 families have lost their houses, their belongings, and for some their cattle. they don't know what to do next. >> as soon as there is a change in the weather, a few clouds, anxiety rises. they don't want to live here. they want to relocate. there is land closer to the mountains. we can solve the problem if there is real help from the government. >> many people here complain that so far government support has been slow to arrive, and gradually the shock of losing their past is giving way to anger and fear of the future. al jazeera, southern morocco. >> still ahead for you this hour, sub-saharan african
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talk to al jazeera, only on al jazeera america >> welcome back. you're watching the al jazeera news hour. pakistan's military has intensified it's offensive against the taliban. dozens of fighters have been killed after strikes in the outskirts of peshawar. it follows attacks on a school in peshawar which killed 148 people. killings have are on the rise. most of the killings have been cared out by the taliban and other armed groups. we have picture of the fighting in ramadi as the u.n. tried to persuadu.s. tries to persuade sunni to fight with iraqi army.
further south the iraqi military is fighting isil fighters in ramadi. >> reporter: kurdish forces on the offensive. their latest victory has been the retaking of the town and the foot of the sinjar mountains. it's where at least 1,000 families from the yazidi community have been taking refuge. they have been under siege for two months. the retaking of the town by the kurdish fighters mean they can now return to their homes, but isil fighters dispute the peshmerga claims. they insist they're still in sinjar. kurdish forces also claim they have gained 700 square kilometers of what was once isil-held territory. >> this is an operation that happened on the auspices of the
president himself to move all the way to mount sinjar to liberate the vast area of kurdistan, and also to be able to rescue those yazidi people that are trapped on amount sinjar. >> kurdish forces say they have gained 700 square kilometers of what was isil-held territory along the route to mount sinjar. this opens the way for families to leave, but they have to navigate through landmines planted by isil fighters. this is the village of koban. houses and bullet-riddled walls are everywhere, evidence of the fierce fighting that took place here. kurdish forces say they're now marching to isil's main military base. but they say there is a limit to what they can achieve on their
own. >> liberation require participation of armed forces, especially the iraqi government military. >> they say that more than 8,000 peshmerga fighters were involved in the oppression to break the siege of the sinjar mountains, but knowing how fast isil could change its tactics in the battlefield that the commanders say that the fight for sinjar could still be far from over. on the other front line of ramadi the battle for strategic cities get more intense. part of the city lie in ruins. the result of frequent shelling for most of the last year. airstrikes by coalition forces have also caused damage here. like the rest of anbar province there are regular battles on the deserted streets between milit militias loyal to isil and the iraqi government forces.
troops were the battalion are leading the onslaught on the government side. the many accuse the taliban destroying their homes and using force. many of the areas are laden with explosives. those who left their houses know it will take a long time before they're able to return home and rebuild their homes. >> the leaders of chad, mali, and burkina faso has many a request to the u.n. they want an international force to disarm the rebel groups and help with national reconciliation in libya. with more, we're joined by the general director of the sada
institute, a think tank on libya. how much of is the threat in libya? is there a real risk that shad and niger could be impacted by the fighting. >> well, they've already been impacted by the fighting, and it does more than pose a military problem particularly given the most phenomenon that we're facing in africa, levant and iraq. it is around the ideas of how do you manage and control your borders. as we take a look, we saw the problems that were facing niger, chad, and maully, which has been worst effected in the last two years. when we look at these kinds of issues today the problem and the
threat over unchristianing all the kind of local services that has been done there have been done in ineffective ways. >> whose responsibility is it to sort this out? >> well, it's the international community, libyans, and libyan government, and in that respect having an international arbitor, not to be so clumsy and heavy handed, think of this in terms of military solution, violence at this stage is not going to improve the lives. in that respect you have to understand that perhaps violence is a result of a long-standing grievance of a long complex
history that did not start two years ago, it didn't start with the arab spring or again qaddafi left power. understanding what the grievances are the only way to look at this. >> the post qaddafi government was always a fragile institution, now you have rival governments competing for legitimacy. what can the international community do on a practical level to start to bring this to some kind of resolution or at least to get these warring parties to talk to each other? >> well, anybody who plays chess, you can't just win by playing one piece. you have to use all the pieces. in diplomacy in libya you have to use all the pieces. number one, the narrative is far too polarized. i think the sentiment is an effect of the arab spring. once we have the stage of good and evil, there is a revolutionary side, and non-revolutionary side.
today's narrative is ultimately this military power and military financial assets. in those respects both sides are fighting over the same thing using very different language. now it's at a stage where they're trying to appeal to the international community. if you don't support operation dawn you don't support the revolution. if you don't support operation dignity, then you do not oppose the war on terror. you do have to use and keep the level of threat of force there, but ultimately the force has to be a last resolution. it cannot be the first thing that we use, it can't be clumsy, heavy-handed approach. it's not going to work that way. and there has upon political sentiment. the underlying problems in libya which is how do you build a security sector when the previous community sector was always aiming a barrel of a gun at the citizen.
when one party dominates, it's going to aim the gun at other parties, tribes or stakeholders, you have to get to the point where there is a technical solution. it's not about ideology or regimes, it's how to get an equitable solution that accommodates all the actors in every way. thailand will commemorate th the an vary of the tsunami. india and sri lanka are locked in a dispute over issuing rights over. the fishing found i guess that runs along the middle of that
strait is disputed. the u.n. convention said that both countries have rights 200 nautical miles out from the coast. but in this case the boundaries overlap. many fishermen complain of depleting stocks. and for some fishing really is a matter of survive. >> reporter: they have set sail in search of fish but with fish to come by in indian waters, they often enter the sri lanka side is the strait. >> every week i spend three days and night out at sea. we put these nets out eight times a day for two hours at a time. once we put the nets in the water we drag them for five nautical miles. that's how we catch the fish.
>> india's side of the strait has become increasingly overfished because of this people hearsay that bigger vessels like these trollers that abandoned sri lanka have been forced to operate in what locals call bad waters. what to fish and what methods to use has been a source of tension between india and sri lanka. but indians who continue to use what environmentalists describe as destructive fishing methods are no. these are good times for traders. fishing for prawns in the strait nets him more than $200,000 a year. >> if we worry about maritime borders our industry will die completely and my business will be destroyed. we've been fishing here for generations. >> india and sri lanka are
trying to untangle their long-running dispute but that won'tnt be to need alternative ways for us to work in our own schwartz. if it can do that we'll give up trolling. many are suffering because of the government's lack of action. >> despite the risks that come with fishing in the strait, raj remains defiant. for him it's not about the ownership of the ocean and what's in it, it's about filling these nets to feed his family. >> let's get the view from sri lanka. 3,000 indian trollers cross the boundaries three times a week. not only do they catch high-value shrimp, they've been accused of destroying the ecosystem. we have reports north of sri lanka. >> a hard night's work and little to show. they say their catch has fallen
drastically in recent years. they blame indian fishermen. >> the reason, the indian trollers destroy everything in their way. >> reporter: they say the government must do more to protect it's territory and resources. indian trollers use heavy planks to scrape the ocean floor, scooping up everything. fisher men say that indian trollers are carrying away their livelihood, particularly in areas where people are struggle to go recover from war. experts say that the process net prized shrimp but 18 times the by catch, which is thrown over board. >> it disrupts the eggs and that's where the problems start. it ruins the whole ecosystem.
and the whole system will collapse. >> these are on the high little endangered list. they inhabit the waters frequented by the indian boats. >> we cannot calculate the environment destruction. it is not a short-term. it is a long-term impact. and it's a chain reaction. it's an impact that not only the particular area, but impacting the whole marine environment through food chain. >> india said the disputed waters are traditional or historic fishing grounds. by sri lanka is pointing to agreements signed in the 1970's clearly defining the maritime boundaries. they say stopping the trollers from crossing that line is vital to protecting the ecosystem and those who depend on it. al jazeera, sri lanka. >> china's president has
reminded hong kong and macao that their pas paths create one china. they're celebrating the return of macao to chinese rule. i >> about 80 protesters marched through macao to demonstrate against these two-day visits. and despite rain protesters were not allowed to use umbrellas. umbrellas are the symbol for the demonstrations in hong kong. the cyberattack against sony pictures brought condemnation from the white house. and warns of grave consequences if the u.s. refuses to
cooperate. silicon valley is known for its technology and wealth. but there is a dark side to this city: homelessness. it recently has torn down one of the homeless sites in the area called the jungle. >> when we first visited the jungle in september this patch of woods and brush was refuge to 250 homeless people smack in the middle of silicon valley. some stayed for a night or a week. some like troy, has lived here for years. >> we live in tent. it smells a little bit. >> earlier this month san jose as part of a long-term plan required the camps residents to leave and tore down their makeshift dwellings. officials say the camp had grown too filthy and violent. >> we were facing health and safety issues, and unsanitary,
unstable, and unsafe environment, and the threat of a wet winter coming up, we needed to get people out. >> now the jungle is nothing but churned up mud and garbage steadily carried off by city workers. the. >> if you had a girlfriend, they were either take them, drag them away, or rape them. >> san jose's plan to move people out of the jungle was devised more than a year ago and cost the city $745 million. >> 150 people in their own arguments. another 60 people with vouchers in hands looking for housing in the process of becoming stably housed. for everyone else we had shelter beds available the day after the cleanup. >> the biggest problem is finding low cost housing to re
rent. jennifer runs an organization fighting homelessness. >> the places don't exist. we have small vacancy rate. we have a small supply of affordable housing. we just don't have the places for people ting even if they have rebe rental subsidies in their hands. we're one of the richest countries, if we wanted to solve homelessness we could. >> most from this camp are now living in subsidized shelter. we met gary smith in a downtown san jose park. he said he doesn't like homeless shelters. and refuses government assistance. he collects cans and bottles for money. >> i recycle and go back to bed and then get up and recycle. it's a resolving circle. >> a stubborn social problem even in the wealthiest american
won 3-0. city were missing three of their regular strikers because of injury. chelsea plays stoke on monday. right now third place manchester united are at aston villa, but they're a goal down now looking to keep pace. they're doing pretty well with the 1-0 lead. the six games in germany on saturday. meanwhile on friday bayern munich with another win. but the win did not come east. they took the lead midway through the first half. but bayern munich will level within three minutes. the winner did not arrive until the time minutes of the game putting bayern 14 points clear at the top of the german league.
the european champions will face the champions of south america argentina side san lorenzo. they're attempting to win this title for the first time in their history, and they're declared favorites having now won a remarkable 21 games in a row. that's a record. but san lorenzo's famous fans. >> well, i'm a believer in my own way. i'm a christian, but in football it is not that helpful. now i have to fight for my own and try and make the madrid fans happy. even if the pope supports san lorenzo. we'll still try and win this title. >> in morocco barcelona can close the gap on the spanish leaders. they host in the early quick off. that match even has gone under
way with barcelona leading 1-0 at halftime. >> admitting that $51 million to the previous budget but says that the 81,000 seat arena is already two months ahead of schedule. cricket in australia, they now have a 2-0 lead in the series. 71-1 trailing by 26 runs, but four wickets for mitchell johnson leading the u.s.a.yes target 128 to win. 3-38 gaving the home side a few wobbles but knocked off six
wickets givin. facing 6-34 as they have blown out 131 on day four. south africa winning and 220 runs, the second of the series gets under way on friday. when the world cup gets under way in new zealand, with new zealand with the win over pakistan. kiwicy scored 275-5. new zealand winning the series 3-2. in the nba a career high 43 points for dimman lillard helped the portland trailblazers beat
the defending champions. they won in triple over time on friday. miami heat were hosting the washington wizards. the heat have struggled sincel since lebron james rejoined cleveland. lindsay vonn following a victory means she's one race win short of equaling the record of the most successful skier of all time. on saturday she returned to the course in france and raced to victory in the down hill. her 61st career win as part of her prize she won an one yearly
calf, which she is calling winning. the surfing world champion, i'm not sure that he won a calf, but the pipe masters in hawai'i as they advance to the quarterfinals. failing to make the thanksgiving title, i check for more on sports check out www.aljazeera.com/sport. >> thank you. finally this hour conservators who scaled britai britain's tallest cathedral, the reason for the daring maneuver, they had to replace a faulty
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