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top categories. the foreign press says it was an error during a test run of the website, and there was no connection to the actual winners. we'll see. >> thank you for joining us. i'm thomas drayton in new york. "consider this" is coming up next. keep safe. the deadly terror attack in paris sparks the debate over religious sensitivity and freedom of expression much does the u.s. offer military prays shores. we are joint taking aim at a documentary putting our guest into the cross-hairs. i'm antonio mora, welcome to "consider this", those stories and more ahead. >> calls for the defense of
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freedom of expression. >> free speech in the u.s. is not absolute. but what is legitimate debate in the area of global media. >> members of the muslim community quick to draw distinction between the attackers and the rest of the muslim world. >> there's nothing more offensive to muslims than someone killing innocent people in the name of religion. >> so few americans have a burden of this combat. >> it's part of the reason we are entangled in endless wars we cannot win. neweea in mobile medicine. doctor. >> you can take control of health care and data. >> a flip of how health care has been. >> my oath of office override the compassion. >> don't come here, sheriff joe will seek you out and have you murdered. we
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begin with a debate that the "charlie hebdo" newspaper in paris sparked over freedom of speech. a radical cleric tweeted after the attack: >> it wasn't just fringe extremists that expressed that comment: . >> both received a backlash online. where is the line between religious sensitivity and freedom of expression? let's bring in nina burly, an award winning investigative journalist who wrote about the subject in "news week ". from felix we are joined about the president of the american islamic forum for dome okay
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accuracy and an author for the battle of the sole of islam. it is good to have you both with us. we'll start with you. there are many, not just muslims, who expressed the feeling that you are provoking extremists, what do you expect. are these people trying to have it both ways by saying what do you expect if you public something offensive, and on the other hand we think the murder is wrong. >> it is quite hypocritical. the test of a free society, as the "new york times" peace mentioned, saying it's the test of a society. and it's that speech that tests the limits of whether you live in a liberal society. i don't want a society where treat us with kid gloves. you can have broadway plays demonizing mormonism and grid
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sis judyism and have offensive art about christian, but dope to it - don't do it against muslims because there'll be violence. i want to be treated line the 21st century, not the 15th. you are basically saying i believe the religion prophet muhammad taught was they lead as they please. they have to acknowledge that they have a problem. >> you wrote that islamic extremism can't co-exist with western ideals and moderate muslims must speak out. many have. what would you say to moderate muslims who do repudiate the murder, but can't stand with the french satirical magazine, that freedom of speech comes with responsibility. -- responsibilities. >> what i would say is pen
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mightier than the sword. there are hundreds of thousands of muslims, if not millions, voting with their feet, this year, last year, over the years. getting in boats, filling them to sinking in the mediterranean, to get to the shores of society in which words, not violence, are used to settle differences. okay. that is the first thing. muslims need to feel supported. that, you know, we are paying attention to them. the poor people in mosul, who are under the grip of the goons. i hope that they are able to understand that there are people who are writing about them, and who are speaking for them, and who are speaking out against
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this fascist mentality. free speech is something moderate muslims want. it's a matter of enough people like the doctor and others coming forward and having the courage to speak out against the small strain within the system. >> so many muslims voted with their feet and left countries where there's extremism and come to the west. are the extremists - is that their objective, that they are forcing people to pick a side by saying religious beliefs trump beliefs that are second. >> there's no doubt that one of the goals of terrorists, and remember one of the people killed at the magazine was a muslim, a copy editor. the police officer killed point blank was muslim. they want to make it uncomfortable for muslims to
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live in the society, and they have a divide between the western mod earnty and the united states -- modernity. many muslims don't want the brotherhood, the islamists running government, dominating telling them what is and is not blasphemy. and mohamed mursi declared criticism of the president as being equivalent to criticism of islam. if we make the scenario about terror, it's a six tom. under the iceberg is a problem, the fuel of the control of speech where a government becomes, and this is why the organization - unless you put an end to all islamic states you will not beat the fuel where they get these laws. once you have an islamic stayed any steven against is sedition.
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me, as a muslim that loves my face, i fight the islamic patriots, saying - i would want to die for america, not an islamic state that believes in jihad. my jihad is personnel between me and god. >> one of the problems, if the extremists want to insight angle, there could be a backlash recruits. >> clearly that's the goal. unfortunately, it appears there's so much simmering anger. the countries, european countries are under enormous economic stress, and it pits the lower class against the lower class. we have a situation that is ripe for a kind of backlash and, of course, it will encourage what the people wants. and one hopes that, you know,
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people will come together and not respond that way. i think there were a couple of attack today, but, you know, i think listening to dr joser, i think everybody should - once again, let's top down the rhettor ib, the conversation here a little bit. remember, you know, these are a small minority with a large group of billions of people who believe in a certain religion, and they are not all coming kalashnikov. >> a lot of people on both sides are not toning it down. let's listen to what bill marr said wednesday night. >> hundreds of millions support an attack. they applaud an attack. they say "we don't approve of violence", when you make fun of the profit, bets are off. >> maher is exaggerating.
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isn't it the danger that the muslim world will be blamed. what is the responsibility of hundreds of million that rooegement the violence. the responsibility is to get beyond denial. they are not militants, but the newspaper and the gaga zeep is sued. nonviolent groups, but those defaming islam. that is the slippery clop where you a militants that kill them in the terrorist act. we need to come to terms with modernity. unless someone openly calls for the death and murder of individuals or violence, the rest is free speech.
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we need to have a large novt to condemn other institutions out of saudi arabia and elsewhere speech. >> either you have freedom of speech or you don't. the op ed was mentioned, a powerful one, saying if a large enough group of someones is willing to killing now saying is, it's something that needs to be said. otherwise the violence has veto power over lineralisation, and it isn't a liberal civilisation any more. i am sure you agree with that point. a time word. well's. the way i ended my piece yesterday is that there are many, many men and women in the world that will never have power. that's why it is important to have the ability to speak truth to power, and laughing at power is a human right.
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>> good of you both to join us, to share the thoughts. thank you. >> thank you. >> islamic leaders across the world condemned the attack in paris. what is the role of moderate muslims in battling extremism. the executive director and cofounder of the council on american islamization joins us from washington d.c. there were condemnations from the arab league and leaders of muslim nations including egypt, saudi arabia and tunisia, are the muslim nations and leaders going enough to condemn and battle terrorism. >> i think it's important to condemn terror. >> and differentiate between it. i heard on al jazeera an analyst saying that these jihadists referring to them as terrorist. you can't equate jihad, which is legitimate with terrorists which
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is not. it's important for all of us in our organization which condemned terrorism, to speak against this phenomenon, and save the faith, that is.6 million live and love it. but we have others who took control of our image through high profile execution and murders. we have to continue to differentiate and save our faith from the hands of a few. it is important. and the fact that we encourage our community in the west to be engaged to speak truth to power, to use the islamic means of making change which is to live your faith, interact with people, love your neighbour, work within the system to change things that you disagree with,
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including dealing with the opposition, those that mock and disagree with you. we do not use violence. i tweeted using the koran itself, which many do not know or understand, especially in the west. the koran, in chant 25, verse 63 says that those describing the believers, when those who mock them address them, they say peace. our response to mockery and making football club should be peace, if -- making fun should be peace. we say to those that avenge the profit we say they snumented the prophet, violated the koran and insulted muslims world wide by your heinous crime. >> i understand there's a specific tradition of jihad and islam, and it's been used to equate it with terrorism, and i understand your point, and that
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terrorists are perverting islam. i understand the predicament of moderate muslims. there's a powerful cartoon with a terrorist on one side, accused of being with the infidel. and the world accusing them of being with the terrorist. what should the role be for leaders like you. >> to continue to live the way we understand it. 1.6 billion, not only today, but centuries, when the civilisation was the own model. these are values that makes humanity continue to thrive and survive. unfortunately, there are political issues that politicians have to take care of, and the integration of muslims in france, europe and the united states, is an issue we have to keep in mind. the use of violence is completely violated in islam when it comes to those that
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marcus and those that disagree with us. >> what can you and others do. in the face of one prominent activist who spoke out saying freedom of expression does not extend to the profits of allah. >> i disagree. god in the koran allowed satan to speak. truth stands out from falsehood. we are not threatened when people speak to us. the first word revealed in koran is read. read by the name of he who created you, and in the koran, we as muslims, we honour and learn by the pen. education, expressing oneself when we disagree with others, it should not be considered as a threat to us. it's a threat to us when we threaten ourselves, and do not allow people to speak their minds. there's no compulsion and reliage job, you can't force people to speak like you.
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if people are convinced they behave like you. if they behave the way they want that is their joys. choice, it's protected under the law and fith a well-known muslim cleric went to the scene of the massacre and he echoed you saying the terrorists are barbarians and sold their soul to world. he said he hoped the french would not go against the muslim minority in europe. we have seen huge protests against muslims in europe, and nationalists parties are on the rise in europe. is there a doubt. i am sure you are afraid of this, that this will lead to islamaphobia. >> it's a threat. it is a threat to european and american national security. we should be concerned about attempts to marginalize silence,
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and a group of people, or to allow the speech against minorities. we have seen in the 20th senture yip. we knew and saw how it ended up in europe. we feel endangered and everyone else should feel endangered by the hate wae we see rising in europe. we urge religious, cultural and political leaders to kerb and curtail the movements by the leadership. the leadership of emphasising unity in the protection of free speech and religious proceed some for muslims in europe. >> if this leads to anti-muslim sentiment and leads to actions against muslims in europe. the fear has to be we see increased support for jihadists, because that happens.
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this could easily become a vicious circle. i don't know how you break it. >> i support the statement made by the president of france, that this attack was on unity, and the response should be more unity, not division. i was with the french expatriots and others, christians, muslims and jew us and people of no faith. we stood hand to hand, shoulder to shoulder in front of the museum in front of washington d.c. to express unity and solidarity to what happened in france. and the message was we were united. and i held the koran and the sign saying we honour the pepn, we honour free speech. this is about people with no fath, people that believe others threaten them. i think the majority of us - muslims, christian, jews and
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people of no faith - have to be united against the few people and should not fall to their level when we start to mock each other, divide each other and alienate each other because we lack leadership and the wisdom to see and celebrate the diversity that god created us. >> we have care, glad that you were able to join us tomb. >> thank you. >> "consider this" will be right back. it's crazy money that you can make here. [[vo]] behind america's oil boom. >>it's a ticking time bomb. [[vo]] uncovering shocking working conditions. >>do you know what chemicals have been in that tank? [[vo]] and the deadly human cost. >>my big brother didn't wake up the next day. [[vo]] faultlines. al jazeera america's hard-hitting & >>today, they will be arrested. [[vo]] ground-breaking & >>they're firing canisters and gas at us! [[vo]] emmy award winning investigative series.
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. >> president obama echoed what americans feel, when he called the troops the finest fighting force in the history of the world. my next guest argues that the limitless phrase shows america is a chicken hawk nation willing to do anything for the troops, except take them seriously. the president of afghanistan ashraf ghani is taking u.s. forces seriously, he told cbs news that he'd like president obama to re-examine the 2-year deadline imposed for all u.s. troops to be out of a war lasting more than 13 years. i'm joined by my next guest, good to have you with us, jim. the american military, as you say, is the best equipped
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fighting force in the history of the world - professional, well trained. it? >> that is essentially that of winning battles and losing wars. i try to argue that for the last dozen years, the military has been at war. fewer than 1% of the u.s. republic has been in iraq or afghanistan in all the time put together. it has pernicious effects on the battles weapons we buy and support they are given. >> you argue the separatition, which is different to what we saw during world war ii, where most able-bodied men were in the armed forces, most had connections with the military. that has led to what you call
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america being a chicken hawk nation, referring to people being pro-war. as long as someone else is fighting for them. spending. >> the way you see the contrast is to think of other public institutions. the school, medical, roads, environment, government. people have no choice but to be involved with those parts of public policy. we know what is good or bad. we have a realistic view: in the era of the army, we have half-time ser gownies aboutal suits to heroes. it's replaced serious discussion that we have with other big institutions. that's bad for the military and the public, including our choice of wars. >> you point out that the president falls into that, that
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he follows this established tradition of calling america's forces the finest fighting force in the history of the world. with this limitless praise and lack of skepticism, what consequences, what are the worst you'll see. why is that happening? >> i think that - to talk about the damn, the main damage is the one of mentioned, the fact that we choose wars that a country like the united states cannot win, even though it's the best eequipmented and highly trained. it means the political discussion and accountability, the only way we make sense of how we use our money and making choices is strangely detached. mitt romney and president obama spent zero times discussing the weapons and the wars we fight. there are symbolic battles in
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congress about who gets the pork, but few realities of what a couple of million in uniform are asked to do, the risk to take and damage to other people. >> the public feels the same way as the president does. you sight poles showing the only public institution that americans trust. the question is has it not earnt that trust? >> i think there is such a thing of too reverent for this attitude. if you look at the time when the u.s. had a close relationship, the generation after world war ii. the popular media, whether it was south pacific, mash, hogan's heros. respectful or critical of the military. so, too, there's no institution that deserves the esteem that polls suggest that we have the
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military, and they recognise varied institutions than the polls would suggest. in any part of life when you have a distant and unrealistically walking on egg shells view of thing, it's not a sustainable relationship. >> you said it led to a chicken hawk economy where we spent too much money too stupidly. when i think about the good old $600 toilet seat from the 1980s. you bring up the f-35 fighter, a big military project that could cost a trillion dollars and is having all sorts of issues. sense? >> i think they have, because of the carelessness and lack of attention. for one thing, we take the cost of the military establishment. it's about a trillion a year. another way to think of it is the united states spends twice a
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large a share as this gtpment the biggest in the military. we are spending a lot of money, if you look at the weapons, i talked about the f-35. the cost overruns are 100 times freighter than the entire amount spend on a solar energy project, but there's more attention to that than the f-35. it's the disproportion between how much money, how much unrealistic decisions are made while people think of the military budget as pork. >> that is one of the things that makes us survive because the politicians are invested in the military projects. some are made in part. is creates a snowball effect. what do we do.
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trends. >> the step is bringing back the draft that is nod giping to happen. the reason i did the article was to suggest that approximately tirns where with getting ready for ner campaign, recognising that we have so much overdue attention to what the result to open-ended combat would be, where the money is going, where the people who lost their lives, looms, family welfare - what they have been asked to do. the first step is simply to make this higher up in the nation's attention, make it equivalent and there are other suggestions based on a confidential report that gary hart prepared. assessing - paying more attention to something that is a large share of the presence in the world. . >> it's a thought provoking piece in the atlantic.
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>> you know how they say that everybody has a purpose in life? well, at one time, i felt that selling cocaine was my purpose.
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>> we was starvin', just lookin' for a way to succeed. >> the first time i seen rock cocaine was 1980. >> the murder rate was sky-high. >> south of the 10 freeway, was kind of a "no-man's land". >> you know, we're selling it for the blacks. i said, you go into these neighborhoods, there's no cops you can sell it where you want and when they start killing each other, nobody cares. >> i was going through like a million dollars worth of drugs just about every day. >> that's like gold! >> we can make a fortune! >> he was maybe the biggest guy in l.a. >> freeway rick was getting his dope from a very big operator. i think we're into something that's bigger than us. something we really can't deal with. >> they had been trafficking on behalf of the united states government. >> she could prove what she was saying. >> [rapping] crack in the system. >> [rapping] this is los angeles. is sheriff joe the toughest
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and most famous sheriff in america? or a power hungy local lawman who manipulated the media to get a national platform. the documentary "the joe show", says both. >> i'm getting tougher and tougher and tougher. >>. >> the whole world was intimidated by him. >> i want gaol to be punishment. there's knowing in the constitution that says because you haven't been convicted you can't wear pink under ware... >> when they say we huge itiated - give me a break. >> they engaged in a cover up, killed a human being and promoted. >> sheriff joe is the controversial law man that won six elections in arizona. and joins us. randy murray is the director of "the joe show", and joins us
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from felix and followed the sheriff for eight years. pleasure to have you both with us. good to have you back. last times it was to talk of a documentaries critical of you, now you are here to talk about another one that doesn't pull punches, but you gave randy unprecedented access. why did you say yes? >> why not. i'm the elected sheriff. i report to the people. i don't run a c.i.a. secret operation. i have nothing to hide. they can follow me for 50 years. doesn't bother me. >> you talk about how you became friends with the sheriff but you wrote a statement where you say you believe there's no such thing as bad publicity, but you ask can democracy survive when entertaining the public is more important than protecting them. >> it's a tough thing
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when law enforcement is running for office. he should be protecting people, and it's a conflict and an important story that to date has not been told. >> how do you respond to that. at the same time as randy followed you around. you started aggressively rounding up immigrants here illegally. the film brings up an investigation. you made great progress. that evac rated when you poured resources into immigration. >> i'll be here for 20 hours trying to defend myself. i'm not criticising randy. i'm not getting into the illegal immigration. i have pending cases. department of justice, af me, after president obama took office. let's leave it at that. i took an oath of office to do. i do a good job with the dedicated employees i have.
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law enforcement 57 years including director in south america, texas and arizona. i think i know where the border is, i know the problem, and i speak out. why, is there something wrong with me speaking out. it's not because i'm a politician. i'm not afraid of the media, randy knows that, he has abbing. i'm not stupid. you think i'll let someone follow me around and blast me if i wasn't able to defend myself. >> let's talk about some of the things you had to defend yourself against. the justice department said you oversaw the worst racial profiling by law enforcement. you arrested people for looking mexican. and randy's documentary showed you going into a small town for immigration enforcement and the mayor doesn't want you there. you dismissed her. do you believe at any point that your department went too far? >> no, people are not racist,
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that's a decision in the federal court. i'm not going to talk about it. you forgot to say we do the low enforcement. the mayor hires us. i'm still there, we are still doing a great job. >> go ahead, randy. >> i don't think it's in question that he's doing a great job. he's a great law enforce. officer, but is probably a greater promoter of law enforcement in america, and is serving the two masters. when you watch the film as we point out, there's lots of cases, questionable things that happen, is it happening because of law enforce. or because to compete in the media market you have to raise the bar. in fact you have to be more enforceable.
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>> you see it as way you have to gain political and financial support. in a statement you said the desire for fame corrupts everything he does. those are strong charges. >> the sheriff accused me of doing a hit piece. i say no. but i'm afraid you are. the case, the truth that when you put all this toot, what bubbled up is we made the fim, the fact that there's a - with the new media, there's a danger we are not seeing, that is corrupting the democracy. we need to have a discussion, and say do we want law officers running for office every two years? >> that's the question. >> obviously you need - you start two years out. >> you need publicity. because of racial profiling issues, and others that are in a
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process that you deal with, in the process of disbanding your immigration squads, will you back off in the fight against illegal immigration. >> i have been the sheriff 22 years, the longest serving sheriff in six months, to people like what i do. i did not take on immigration, i have done a lot of other things for 15 years, when you say the immigration is folk am that's wrong. i've been re elected six times, let's talk about the overall constantly. >> you spent a lot of time on immigration. final question for both of you. >> yes. and the sheriff is not a big fan of the film.
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it's a hard thing for him to watch, i am sure. there's no sharper blade than the truth. but that doesn't mean you can't appreciate each other's. >> and it doesn't mean the truth is there. i can defend myself on everything in that movie, but why waste my time on her show. randy did a great job. i wish him success. he has his job, i have mine. that's the way it is. >> it's god of both of you to -- good of both of you to join us. "the joe show" is available online and video on demand. >> sunday night. >> 140 world leaders will take the podium. >> get the full story. >> there is real disunity in the security council. >> about issues that impact your world. >> infectious diseases are a major threat to health. >> "the week ahead". sunday 8:30 eastern. only on al jazeera america. >> it's a chilling and draconian sentence...
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>> news that matters... al jazeera america morning news every morning 7 eastern only on al jazeera america a medical revolution arrived at our gipinger tips. our -- fingertips. our next guest is a physician saying smartphones and wearable technology shifted control from doctors to their patients. now you can get rapid test results, monitor vital signs and get diagnosed without seeing a doctor. dr eric is a director of scripts translational science in california, and the author of "the patient - we'll see you now - the future of medicine is in your hands", great to have you with us. >> we have bipartisan support. you have mitt romney and al gore to give you blurbs. >> yes, i was grate of for that.
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>> you compare this to the goout ep berg printing bres, saying this could do for medicine what that did to printing. >> be know how the printing press changed the world. medicine. >> some of the advances are incredible. let's start with a demonstration. you can use a smartphone to get a cardio gram. >> if you think you are having an arrhthymias, you pull up your app for the cardio gram, and you have that. you circle with your heard and you have a cardio gram. >> what do you do with it? >> you don't have to read it. you have an algorithm built into the app. >> it tells you what is there. >> gosh know.
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it's going for 69, and approved by the f.d.a. for consumers and save for people who have heart continues trips to merge vi rooms and clinics. >> you have the possibility doing a sonogram and checking blood pressure. >> in the next year there'll be a watch for every heart beat. you press start, it keeps going. >> it could give you an alarm if you are too high or low. >> it will show up on the smartphone and have the trends and have the context of your life, like you were in traffic. that is contraried. instead of single measurement, you are getting measurements you didn't know you could. >> this is the beginning. we are talking about turning your smartphone into a microscope that can look at your
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saliva or blood. >> all the routine labs can be done through a smart phone. it is feasible, not commercially available but a matter of time. your electro lights, chemistry, liver function - all that stuff can be done smartphone. >> this raises all sorts of issues. hypoconnedry a might go crazy, diagnosing. >> we do. the reason why is if it's done properly and accurately it can be quick inexpensive. patients want their data. we have it bottled up. >> that's something you think, that people should have access to their data. >> they should own it. they should say to the doctor "i'll share my data with you",
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importantly, we didn't have the tools to emans pat a consumer, it didn't exist until now. emans pating the consumer means the consumer may not have to show up at the doctor too often. >> for example, if you are you child, you don't have to go to the paediatrician. you can take a smartphone app. and can diagnose whether your child has an ear infection. that's where things play. we don't have patients treating themselves, we are talking about showing up to the doctor, consulting the doctor to get guidance, wisdom and experience. >> so the patient gets the diagnosis from his apparatus and has the doctor do what is necessary to treat the patients. what does it mean for hospital. some say it means the ends of hospitals as we know them.
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>> i wrote about that in the book. hospitals are a vulnerable entity, not bus he used him. it will be as is. operating, procedure. but the regular hospital room will be replaced by your bedroom. you can do all the monitoring like an i.c.u. in your house and bedroom. it's inexpensive. there's no risk of infection. it's convenient. >> it's fascinating. it brings up interesting issues that could very well, as you say, change the world. pleasure to have you with us. again, the book is "the patient will see you now", it's available in book stores and online. we'll be back with more of "consider this". >> start with one issue education... gun control... the gap between rich and poor... job creation... climate change... tax policy...
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got milk. it may not do as much good for your body as you have been told. a wide range of studies find that consuming milk and dairy products into adulthood may not have benefits and lead to higher rates of bone fractures and early death. dairy's a $100 billion industry in the u.s. with lobbyist and support. dr david cats joins us.
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dr cats is an exert in nutrition, weight management and chronic disease and has written on the benefits and draw backs of dairy. good to have you with us. a number of studies show a wide-ranging of results. most by benefits from consuming dairy. as you know, common enjoy is always been that milk is good for our bones. does your body good. what should people believe. >> good to be with you. this topic is in a state of froth, because studies are going in breath directions. i think you can have an optimal diet with or without milk i don't think you have to include dairy. vegans exclude dairy, and they are some of the health yert people on earth. dollar diets that include dairy,
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such as mediterranean. we radical ice the discussion. as you indicated we have had surprise, a study looking at milk consumption. higher mortality rates and fracture rates in people that conshum more mill. one of the issues is what is a baseline diet. if you consume more milk instead of soda, you are trading up. if you consume milk and adding excess fats, there's likely to be harms. >> we sho a strong link between dairy intake and reduced levels of blood pressure and rings. there are studies that show benefit in terms of weight management. there's advantages of dairy, it helps you stay full. it doesn't necessarily confer
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all of the benefits we hoped it would for bone health. depending on the role it played in your diet. that will determine whether there's an net benefit or harm. >> one of the things pointed out in the studies, and the things written about them, humans are the only mammals that drink milk into adulthood. >> right. >> go ahead. >> well no, it's a great point. i have been fascinated with that. it's normal for adult mammals to be lactose intolerant. the gene that breaks down the sugar and milk turns off in baby mammals. human being are different. there's no other adult mammals that use cellphones or talk on television. we are different. the fact is that we have evolved in the modern era. northern europeans that had dire
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dairy as part of their diet are almost all lactose intolerant. people with the gene switched on had more babies that crew up to make more babies. almost all europeans do have more lactose intall rant. others that did not have dairy for hundreds of thousands of year are almost lactose intolerant. the reality is it's normal for some agult to condocument dairy, it's not for others. there's not answer. >> as you said, the health benefits of milk and other dairy products might come for substituting that for more than healthier options. you made an interesting point that it might be beneficial for people in the united states and other places. >> exactly right. this is the point.
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you talked about the dairy industry and lobby. they do good work and contribute, and some is valid. what they don't look at, this is true of nutrition in general - dairy instead of what. if you take an opt ma'am vegan, diverse foods and people drinking water, will they be better off if we at milk, butter, ice-cream. the answer is probably not. in an american diet where people drink soda, if, instead they drink mill, are they better off. again... >> another issue that you point out is we are not out in the sun, and both activities are important that we don't do enough of in the united states. >> in terms of bone health, that's right. the best way to defend bones is to use them, use it or lose it. the people that consume calcium.
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if they are in the sum making vitamin d. that keeps them strong. in the context of our culture there may be more benefit from dairy compared to those that consume no dairy and have fewer fractures and osteo-parrosis than we do. elsewhere. >> different effect from different dairy, fat versus high fat, yoghurt, cheese, ice-cream. >> a lot of debate about the issue. i think the evidence overwhelmingly ipp diets an ex -- indites an excess of fat in relation to heart disease. the dairy in my diet is organic, fat free. get the fats from nuts, seeds, healthy oils. fish. >> want
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supplements, vitamin d. >> we have less evidence for calcium supplements being beneficial. it's a murky topic. year with vitamin d. if you get a fair amount of calcium in your diet and you get invite min d you may not need a supplement. if you are in the sun, you probably don't. for those that eat dairy, i think a vitamin d supplement is a good idea, and for some women the combination of calcium might be good as well. the evidence is not a slam dunk. it's an area where you should confer with the doctor. everywhere. >> a lot of questions. good of you to wade our way through them. >> through the kurds and whey. >> that's all for now. the conversation continues on the website.
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