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would have to get much higher still. ab drew thomas, al jazeera, griffith. >> just a reminder, you can get more news at our website, that and the rest of the days news at aljazeera.com. well, it's another day and another deadline blown. iran says it is not ready to make a deal until it gets what it wants from the west. the west says it's not making a deal until it gets what it wants from iran. the question is how closer they, they've been hearing from both sides because they were closer than they have ever been, and
they are not walking away until they know there's cause to do so. it does make it wonder, david shuster in our studios in new york. what does the deadline mean? >> it means that there's proof that the word deadline means something different to nuclear negotiators of journalists and others who lives depend on getting work done by immovable date and time. the meaning of the term deadline says back to the civil war. it was a literal line inside a prison, and prisoners who step over it risk being shot to death. by contrast the deadlines in nuclear negotiations are self imposed and have no penalties. it may be a reason why so many of the iran nuclear deadlines come and go. since agreeing to an interim deal, iran and u.s. missed for deadlines before blowing past today's deadline.
the two sides struck a framework grapes in april this year after missing the march 31st deadliftenlt the april agreement is when the june 31st deadline was set, set in june 27th, and was u.n. officially today. >> how much more time will they spend. a sticking point is a demand that the world powers drop an arms embargo, russia says iran need the weapons to fight terrorists. world powers say iran wants to ship arms to groups labelled as terrorists. as the talks drag on, the united states state department says the terms of the deal will remain in place until july the 10th, this friday. a spokesman for the iranian delegation was quoted saying "we have no deadline." late today reuters quoted a source saying it was the final
extension, and happens in the next 48 hours, or not. given the history of missed deadlines and extensions around the talks, nothing is certain or definite. let's go back to ali velshi, in tehran, iran, and how much patients seems to exist from the people in iran when it comes to the nuclear talks and powers? >> dade, y- david, we have been reporting for days on sanctions. the people i look to seem to be able to dislocate or divorce the question of actions from the questions of the nuclear programme. there's a great deal of pride in the country, people want the sanctions lifted, it's economics, prosperity. they will net the nuclear programme go, if that's what it means to get the sanctions lifted. we have been struggling with a
few issues in iran at the negotiating table, particularly an inspection for nuclear sites, and interviewing of nuclear scientists. it is as iran claims, for civilian purposes, or whether it is to enrich uranium and plutonium for nuclear weapons, there's an issue on the table that has not been discussed until now, and that is that iran wants the u.n. embargo on conventional weapons sales lifted. this is a problem at negotiations, because of the p5+1 the group's negotiating in vienna, most of them - she see this as a non-starter, the idea that iran gets to import or export conventional weapons, they think it will get in the hands of militias, will fuel a lot of stuff going on in this part of the world. however, you have china and russia at the table. they are in the business of selling weaponry and are interested in selling weaponry
to iran, conventional weaponry and that's why things could become apart at the scope. in vienna, you have two parties that think it's not the worst, and a few that thing it is. does this mean if iran is bringing this, not a new demand. does it mean we are getting closer to all on the list, a degree on the bigger issues, or does it mean we are further from a deal. this is unclear. in the streets of tehran, people hate the sanction. s. -- sanctions. i showed you the money. inflation is running at 15%, a few years ago it was 45%. the economy is growing, it is not in recession, and it does not look like a place that is about to go under. they managed their way around sanctions.
there are not other countries in the world that will sell goods to iran, and while it can't get cars and machinery, it can get some. people want a deal. they don't want any dole. that is reported in the press, and that's what i hear from a lot of people. in the end i don't think the average iranian is as consumed by the minutia of negotiations as with the potential for sanctions being lifted. you mentioned the ability to manage the sanctions, we understand there's a lot of internal pressure on iran to reach a deal. there's a number of reports that iran has a water crisis and needs an embargo lifted. other parts are in desire need of technology. what kind of pressure does that put on the iranian side to reach a deal. it's a lot. we are at an auto parts factory,
these are the things that these industries can do better if they are able to buy technology, you can't shop for the best technology when you can buy it from a few people, and sometimes the best technology comes from the west. you don't get to choose if you are an iranian, you build it here or buy to those that will sell it to you. there's pressure on the government. the government of hassan rouhani was elected - you can argue about how - how much of a democracy iran is, they had an election, and he was elected on the basis of opening up to the west, creating a dialogue, bridging the differences and improving the economy. and people want that. that's what they want. they want to buy more with their money, they want to trade and get on to the swiss banking system. 9,000 banks in the world allowing you to do something as simple as transfer money, if i needed to transfer to you today
from iran, you can't do it. you can't use the world bank system to transfer personally or as a business or country. there's pressure on the government. when you read to the media reports, we talked to a number of officials, members of parliament and two vice presidents, both women, they agree there needs to be certain liberalisations in the country, some need to be economic. without the lifting of the sanctions it doesn't matter what the government policy is, there are certain thinks they can't do, and people get frustrated by it ali velshi reporting from tehran, iran. thank you next, if you think reaching a deal with iran is tough, wait until you see the fight gearing up in washington. opponents and supporters ready for a rumble on the scale we have not seen in years. that's ahead. >> wildfires lit by arsonists. >> this sounds like it happened in a flash. >> millions in damages. and the tragic human cost.
as we mentioned if a nuclear deal with iran is not reached by thursday congress will have 60 days to consider it, instead of 30. the last thing president obama wants to give g.o.p. opponents is time to criticize and derail the deal. here is the rhetoric he's up against. >> he's giving iran a nuclear weapon. the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world is moving to nuclear power with the prime ministers of the united states the president has supporters, and the white house is prepariing to lean on them i the fight against congress. white house supporters held briefings with several liberal groups and encouraged them to mobilize grassroots supporters
and prepared for one of the biggest in years. first of all, to the extent that it will slide against thursday, how nervous is the white house on the idea that congress has 60 days instead of 30? >> in public they maintain a cool de-middle eastern, saying they are willing to walk away from a deal. the white house is reaching out to allies, hosting a meeting this evening of senate democrats on the fence or may be wavering in support of a deal. here is the criticism that the president faces in congress. one called it a rope-a-dope strategy, concerned that iran is stringing the united states along as the negotiations drag on, and the deadline died from tuesday until -- delayed from
tuesday until friday. that came from a top democrat, house minority stanley, corker, the on the senate relations committee called for the president to walk away. the administration shows no signs of doing that, there's concern that criticism will mount in congress and on the campaign trial. what do they do. what is the message about obama's legacy, and looking at the specifics. what are they talking about? >> the one thing you have to understand about this, it's a far reach for congress and republican and democratic opponents to scuttle the deal if a deal is reach. it will require two-thirds of the house and the senate to do so, two-thirds the number you need to override a veto of congressional action.
if congress were to pass a disapproval, and we are talking about congress disapproving the lifting of sanctions, not the deal itself, but effectively scuttling the deal. if they do if in the house and the senate, you require two third vote for the house and senate. he is unlikely to get it. the white house not taking chance, having meetings, they could overcome congressional opposition as the white house tries to identify the one-third that they can hold on to, it can make sure there's a veto prove power. i wonder if they put in congress, the biggest fights in cip capitol hill - the affordable care act. ttp, how does it look like it's shaping up in comparison. >> it's shaping up like the trade vote a couple of weeks ago. the president, his initiative, the fast-track initiative, the procedure he needs to get through.
the trade bills in the offing with the pacific rim. the president rallied to come back there, but interestingly he did so against the wishes of core democrats on capital hill and core constituencies in labour and environmental communities, a tough battle for the white house, no question about it, but it demonstrates the president's strategy in the fourth quarter of the presidency as he put it. he's willing to advise anyone to get the big deals. >> mike viqueira in washington. thank you as always. >> all right. >> deal or no deal. iran may help to define president obama's legacy. if a deal can be struck, what did the united states get out of it. why america must accept the public relations of iran, and she's a visiting scholar and
joins us from washington. other than the ability no monitor nuclear activities, how does an agreement benefit the united states. >> it would be a strategic windfall for the united states. u.s. policy in the middle east is in free fall. we are flailing from iraq, libya, afghanistan, syria - the whole region. we need a strategic realignment to recover our own position in the middle east. >> let's assume you are correct, that the united states standing in the middle east is a free for all, would it make sense instead of antagonising israel, saudi arabia, and those turning to russia instead of iran, and antagonising egypt, turning to russia, would it make sense to listen to them and not worry about iran. this is the problem. we don't have strategic balance
in the middle east, we relied on allies not representing the majority of the populations whom they control, and turn to them, each though the allies in saudi arabia continue to arm fund and train jihadis across the region. osama bin laden, one of the first armed, trained and funded mosqued into the al qaeda, four morphing into d.a.e.s.h. iran will continue to arm, train and fund hezbollah, no matter what agreement we reach with them on the nuclear deal. >> what iran does, that is important, that the united states will need to understand, if it wants a position in the middle east, is iran alliance itself with ipp convenient, but in -- inconvenient but indispensable populations, those that are marginalized. the most powerful thing that iran does is support the groups to participate in political
processes in their own country, to push hezbollah to participate in elections in lebanon. to push hamas to participate in elections in palestine, and to participate in elections in egypt. that is the most powerful tool that iran has, and that's one of the fundamental reasons why the power is rising. we, on the ordinary hand allied with governments not representative, and repressive of their populations. this is a failed policy, failing us for over 35 years, and we need to come to terms with reality, the model is here to stay. if we can't come to terms with that, we'll fail and flail across the middle east what about the art regarding iran, that the way to convince them to do the right thing is to keep sanctions up until they back away from their support of groups like hezbollah, and fighting u.s. interests in yemen. >> we continue to put our head
in the sand, and designate x, y and z as a terrorist organization, and turn around and wonder how organizations like al qaeda and i.s.i.s. come about. they are often those fighting for sovereignty, groups like hezbollah and hamas. we do that to our own peril. we may not like tactics, but the grievances are about participatio participation, and it is a terrorists. if there's an agreement between iran and the united states, was it your contention that iran pull back support for groups like hezbollah? >> i think that would be a big stretch. the republic of iran had this as a cornerstone of foreign policy, supporting groups of countries in the neighbourhood,
participating in political prophecies and arm them as they need to. they are not giving it up because we wave a wonder. >> is it this a reason not to risk the possibility that iran develops the nuclear weapon. >> there's no evidence that iran wants to develop a nuclear weapon, this whole thing - just as the bush administration sold us that saddam hussein has this, sa bill of goods... >> the national intelligence from 2006/2006 which found evidence that iran was trying to programme. >> that is not true. that is not true. >> in 2006, straight to under cut yet another bad war that the bush administration would have gotten us into, the c.i.a. for the first time history published an unclassified version of the summary of its findings, that was not at all based on - was
not the content of the report, but a summary, said that iran is no longer looking into a nuclear weapons programme. >> that is your assessment, so we understand it. that's your assessment, you believe iran has no interest in pursuing a nuclear weapon. >> we have never seen a shred of evidence. like with iraq and saddam hussein, and the mushroom cloud and mobile weapons lab - we have seen no evidence. people will tell you that to get us into an un-winnable war in the middle east. >> a lot hope you are correct that iran has no interest in a nuclear weapon, but it doesn't explain why they are gaugy about letting inspectors prove it. >> when the inspectors gave in, and they gave the name of their scientists, the israelis killed their scientists. there's reason for them to be cagey. if we work with them like normal
people, maybe we'll have a normal response. >> normal countries don't threaten to wipe the best ally in the region off the map. >> another social fact created, not based on evidence. >> the coauthor of "doing to train, why the america must sent the islamic republic of rain", next, will greece's debt be america's problem.
when it comes to drama and deadlines, iran is not the only game in town. greece has been in and outs of crisis, and there appears to be more time to figure things out. it hasn't stopped anxiety building, it could crumble with effects rippling across europe. for athens there are deadlines and then deadlines. at an emergency eurozone summit. greece's finance minister stunned counterparts when he
arrived empty-handed. greece had no new proposal from keeping it exiting the eurozone, putting the focus back on germany, to stave off a greek tragedy. the german chancellor angela merkel is standing by calls for austerity and aid. there's little breathing room left before greek banks run out of cash. to help us make sense, our next guest says greece will have to accept creditor standard for reforms. the greeks went to the polls thing figure they voted no, they'd bet getter terms. way. >> they are given money. they are rejecting more money, and they are asked to pay down the road, but nobody takes that seriously, i mean, they were given a big pot of money, all
along the austerity in greece is they had a credit card taken away, not because they are baking debt repayments. as this developments, greece doesn't come up with a counter plan, seems like we are stuck in gridlock. what does that mean for the people in the united states. how does it affect us. >> i think if greece exits the eurozone, which is a likely possibility, or some semblance of that, capital controls. and it doesn't threed to a lot of containent. the portuguese borrow and the spanish. it's probably a win. this is a damocles. it's an outside risk. greece decided to go rogue and call this vote, and it didn't lead to things blowing up.
now the europeans are saying what is next. >> if there's predict ability, that is better for american vestors and consumers. >> greece is not china, it's a small economy. we feel for greece, we want them to do well. greece is in danger of doing that lub and not so much europe. >> there's a thought if greece is part of the eurozone, that may diminish the euro, may help portugal and spain. whether it's high or low, and does that
mean. the euro is likely to go down as up. i don't think europe wins by having greece reach a stable eurozone. >> is it mostly a political solution, they look up and see the chaos and a humanitarian crisis. there'll be a lot of aid in greece, in any direction, there's no question. it will cost europe a lot for the divorce. they'll put in 50 billion. the u.s. may put money in too. at the end of the day, greece has to want to help itself, turn into
a modern state. i think the government walked in the opposite direction. after all of this, a divorce from europe, they have to fend for themselves, is that what it may take for them to be more responsible. >> as long as it stays a democracy, and we don't have a communist take over i think the future is bright. in 10-20 years, they'll do great this. is not forever. they are in a diff moment that is our show for today. on behalf of ali velshi, his crew in iran and the team, i'm
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