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tv   The Stream 2017 Ep 152  Al Jazeera  September 22, 2017 5:32pm-6:01pm AST

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u. in march two thousand and nineteen. the president of iraq's kurdish region insists a referendum on independence will go ahead on september the twenty fifth as planned that's despite international demands to call it off most of his army says the vote is not to draw new borders but to confirm and insist on kurds right for independence. for the first time in history a north korean leader has released a statement to the world kim jong un has called u.s. president donald trump a barking dog after he threatened to destroy north korea pyongyang is now considering a hydrogen bomb test in the pacific ocean going to dishes prime minister sheikh hasina urging the u.n. to help bring a refugee return home to me and our aid agencies warned by the end of the year more than half a million children could be refugees in bangladesh four hundred thirty thousand rangar of ready fled me in the past month because of the military crackdown in rakhine state it will be stripped of its operating license in london from the end
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of the month the british capital's transport regulator said the car sharing company lacked corporate responsibility when it comes to public safety and security issues but drivers can still operate while challenges the decision in court those are the headlines and news continues but now it is the stream. germany is electing a new parliament poll suggests he's poised to win a force. of europe's largest economy with crises in the e.u. and president trump in the white house. called the leader of the free world. as germany decides. what's really happening to the rest has been an international course of condemnation of the violence being carried out against them but the government of
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myanmar insist a crisis is now improving al-jazeera has been on the story today we're live on you tube and we'll be taking your questions for al jazeera journalists about all the latest developments here's al-jazeera is nicholas hawk. we're just a certain throw away from me in march right behind stage it's across this road across the river this is where i mean my government has been doing what it's calling a clearing operation that they say is now over but we continue to see villages burning from the bangladesh side of the border and every day hundreds. continue to flee across the border no one really knows what's going on in the rack because that area is restricted to both journalists and human rights activists but we do have the tales of people coming across the border. into woman who saw her husband being shot down by masked men. her relatives being raised and
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then stabbed and then dumped into a mass grave i met a young. girl. her home with set ablaze her parents were inside she said i walked through the night to come across the border here in bangladesh. this is the hearted. part of my biggest day she's going to have to compete with these women and men who are queuing here in order to get a small bag of rice and lentil that's going to be her only meal of the day if she wanted to get some relief many of the ridges i speak to here though say they want to go back to me and they say that their reckoning state is their home and it's been like this for centuries and so despite the horrors that they've gone through most of the people that i speak to here want to go back home the united nations general assembly is underway in new york and the issue of their hand job has been
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high on the agenda after the world body accuse the government of me and maher of ethnic cleansing this most recent flare up came after security forces and allied militias retaliated to a series of attacks by a small muslim armed group in the rakhine state as you just saw in eclipse's reporting had been streaming across the border into neighboring bangladesh well on tuesday myanmar state councilor on song suchi a recipient of the nobel peace prize broke a long silence with an internationally televised address referring to the flight of about four hundred thousand from the country as an exodus she did not condemn her government's military operations the satellite imagery released by human rights watch on monday shows the destruction of more than two hundred villages and tens of thousands of homes in rakhine state in mar. vehicle paul and also reported on the story earlier this month that is the last bangladeshi border security post and beyond that where you see the smoke billowing it's me and mark now the journey
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between the two countries is just a boat ride across the river that takes twenty minutes which is why i. made it to the safety of bangladesh trying to go back to say family members that left behind. well david joins us now from hong kong and u.n. correspondent roslyn jordan is at the united nations general assembly in new york and in doha hasn't patel is the head of al-jazeera is online planning welcome to the stream everyone let's start at the u.n. where world leaders have almost ensured they were going to issue was placed at the top of the agenda take a look at this your thought it's easy to myanma and the military operations allow and you many theory and excess and recognize the right of refugees to be in safety and dignity and they must also address the grievances of the rowing the road more than four hundred thousand refugees the majority of them children military
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operations there must seize a few minutes access your money tearing that must be provided the rule of law must be reestablished because as we all know we are dealing with ethnic cleansing here fronts will be making a relevant initiative within the security council to affect the crisis is really. what happened in bosnia in one nine hundred ninety five and in rwanda in nineteen ninety four ross what is your reaction to those comments look like. well there is growing horror to what is happening to the ruling of people as they are fleeing their homes in raw state and trying to find safety across the western border into bangladesh there is a real sense that this community has been much maligned much discriminated against and now is being targeted by the government in young gone with what many are
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feeling is the tacit approval of the state councilors course as some of our viewers may know she can't be the official leader because her late husband and her two children are not citizens of me and maher and so she's not allowed to actually be the president or the prime minister that said there are many people here at the united nations who feel that she is missing an opportunity to demonstrate her moral clarity by not condemning the military attacks and that comes even though the united states is saying that the military in myanmar should stop its attacks on the . and should try to move very quickly to a political resolution of this crisis so talking also about the humanitarian crisis that's going on i want to bring to the end of the conversation because there you were just in bangladesh take a look at this question we got from
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a viewer in south africa and i want to know what has the bangladesh government done to help their hinge of muslim refugees divya you were just in bangladesh what was the government's response like to these hundreds of thousands of people who have crossed the border in the last month. you know that's a very good question as we were when we were on the ground we barely saw and he got any type of government relief for and type of government help what we saw were loads of aid agencies and local charities who would just motivated themselves to go and feed people give out food and relief and unfortunately i am well it was effective to certain extent what you basically saw was lots of trucks as we saw and the collapse hawks report where they throw out food so the food isn't being distributed properly the relief isn't getting to most people just a very small few who happened to be able to physically be able to be where those
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trucks happened to be at that time as far as what the government is doing quite honestly it's very hard to tell the promise to leave many times when we were there in fact the prime minister had come and visited the caps and once again promised relieved but a couple of days after that it was still not visible exactly what kind of relief they were giving or what what kind of help they were trying to give people so as far as the bangladeshi government goes. if you want to talk about physical relief or physical help you can't see it it's not visible but what the bangladeshi government has admitted is that it's overwhelmed they called cope with the number of people so they have in so many words said that this is too much for them they're relying they also said that they are relying on charities and you know those to help fill the gap where internet well international agency haven't been able to do it or even the government hasn't been able to come forward when i was speaking of
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course of bangladesh what it actually looks like for people when they cross the border is one of the things that al jazeera supporters have been trying to really show for audiences who are asking for this i want to take a look at what it looks like in a refugee camp now this is sent to us by see if pilot he is an al-jazeera online reporter and he gives us a view of what people are going through have a look. i'm going to do for longer if you come in consciousness on the heat agencies are saying that the sheer volume of if you numbers have been overwhelming there have been struggling to provide basic amenities such as sanitation food and shelter and in the past couple of days. rain has means that many of them if you can and most of them are. doing good if you are living in under just took out. the rains have flooded many of them and as a result the refugees had to. move to new shelter. present what
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is it that you've been hearing from the reporters that you sent out who are on the ground and doing this reporting her on that border. well you could be sent safe collins shaukat shot for you last friday and they've been there for a week and they've been finding in reports every day looking at the situation of refugee camps but also looking at the health problems hospitals all round one hospital unsafe visited he couldn't even find doctors to look at the patients one hospital worker told safe that there's a shortage of midwives because there are some heavily pregnant women coming from from from myanmar but also we found out from safe and shock of the genuine problems many of these refugees are facing food the lack of food lack of support but not knowing where to go or what to do similarly shaukat filed a piece about various hindu. refugees who who are
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also crossing the border and i'm sure highlight how this is not just about religion but it's about a group of people who in one way are state close coming into another country where they actually cons of a foe to somebody because there's just no support for them you know actually you mentioned rosco had. the point of. being stateless there are more than one hundred sixty ethnic minorities inside me and more and yet for generations that were hanged have not been able to get any state recognition that they are a legitimate resident community of me and more in fact they had been told in generations past that you need to leave you need to leave you need to go to bangladesh or what used to be india you need you don't belong here and so they are ready of facing this generational problem but of course now as you see not just the military but partisan groups who want to be in good stead with the military burning
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down their communities it really beggars the question how are these people supposed to prove that they were once a residents of the. if they want to go back and try to reclaim their homes and try to rebuild their lives how can they make good on the promise. that they can actually return home if everything they had has gone up in smoke in the last two months it really does make you wonder how serious is the government and young going to embrace the world and bring them back certainly there's a lot of pressure here at the u. when there was a closed door meeting on monday with top leaders from young goan being pressured to style back on the military operations and to try to find a political solution but really what is the consequence if they don't do it in this is something we're just not hearing at the u.n. . i just wanted to jump in with a very quick quote our conversation i had with one of the refugees when it comes to
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being stateless which help me understand the whole idea of what it means to be stateless and he said to me i'm a human being i must belong somewhere but i don't know where it is that i belong because nobody lets me belong anywhere and i thought that was really poignant and helped you understand that this whole idea of statelessness it's not just about not having papers it's about belonging from our having a home to go through our knowing that you will be safe or there is somewhere you can be so talking about just what you're going to do in store in the house and i want to ask you a question actually because an al-jazeera reporter came in arnold actually filed a story you can see it on my computer messages to the world from rohinton muslims and it's individual stories. let's listen to katie talking about her work and then i want to ask you about it take a listen to katie arnold everybody. one of the motivations behind the ira hit
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series was to put him in face time conflicts and to humanize a new story that was really going for its acts of inhumanity and every day if you would be cheating its use of here it to have just three hundred or four hundred thousand people crossing the border from the other external debt but what about the impact on those individual lives if one doesn't end with a very good and there's a risk this will just tenets of another of those tragedies that have taken place on the other side of the world and that was something that i want to avoid one of the most powerful testimony is one that affects me most for me was a ten year old new york he was going about how usual what it read to you know the t.v. watching her face when her father was shot dead in front of her now during the interview she kept saying how much the stepfather but there was one really touching moment where she described how her family across the nashville which supplied to be advised by her get using a boat that had an engine something which had never experienced before but still she could not enjoy the experience because you have fire that was not there so how
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soon can you talk about why al jazeera commissioned this series of individual stories. the reason why be commissioned is stories for a really good job in paint in these portraits. of muhammad a son of a son who's thirty years old all of these individuals who we never heard of them a few days ago but now we know who they are and the reason is to basically to paint a human story but to know importantly to give a voice to the worst of this. so i'll just you know it's about we can talk about the politics of the u.n. we can talk about. those are critical stories which we are covering as well but we're putting a name to this particular situation rick putting a name to an individual who's lost everything and katie spoke about a son who's thirty years old you have to carry sister who was traumatized after she she she was about to be raped by soldiers put a picture of mohammad who saw his father shot shot dead in the same way that no one
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is only ten years old. as well now what happens is these huge human eyes is the story and the allows people to understand the depth of the particular conflict more importantly. you know rah is one of the things that we hear from analysts is that aside from the criticism about the song through he that he actually doesn't have that much power and he whether or not he came out and was more forceful with her statements regarding the hinge there or someone behind her what is the reaction among world leaders to that and who is actually running the show and pulling the strings and whether or not the military is being condemned. well again that's a very very good point and that is something which diplomats have been stressing to journalists here at the u.n. for the past several weeks especially once we all started asking look at the people fleeing for their lives into bangladesh their homes are being burned down their
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livestock their their crops are being destroyed what can the united nations do what can the security council do and what diplomats have consistently been saying up until the last week or so is that we want to engage in behind the scenes diplomacy we don't want to be doing it out here in front of all the cameras in front of the entire world because we know that on song suchi is in a particularly delicate position she basically has her leadership post by the good graces of the military which is still technically in charge and we don't want to do anything to upset that political balance so what these diplomats argue they have been doing is trying to have closed door conversations telephone conversations in person conversations with leaders of the burmans government whether they are from the mission here in new york or whether they are in other capitals around the world they say that trying to have these discussions and trying to tell them that what
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they are doing is morally and legally wrong they were hoping that this would actually lead to some sort of development but what we saw in the past week was just a real sense of outrage among the international community that the people are still feeling that they're still fearing for their lives and their well being and that this is when you started seeing more pressure come up it's worth pointing out that the closed door meeting on monday which was chaired by the british foreign secretary boris johnson was basically an opportunity for members of the security council to say to the deputy national security adviser and the deputy prime minister you are in the wrong you need to stop what your doing. now it's a question of whether or not this kind of face to face tough love is actually going to be moved into the security council chambers because once that happens there then is an expectation that the security council will actually call for some sort of
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action that tends to be a last resort type of action even though there are lots of incremental steps that can be built into it but still if this issue of me and maher actually makes it into the security council chamber now you're talking about potential sanctions potential travel bans potentially setting up some sort of investigative mechanism to hold people or institutions accountable for their behavior right now this is all very serious stuff and this is an area where they don't they don't want to get there until they feel that it's necessary to get there so that i mean i think we're getting comments on what the international community should do i just want to read this quickly this is abraham who just sent us this on you tube you said why is it me and maher being taken to the hague but i want to go back to you with a question about reporting the story the watcher tweeted us and said why is the government of myanmar reluctant to give free access to the press to troubled areas
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to be a can you talk about how the government is controlling access to rakhine state. yeah i think i think the easy answer to that is because they don't want people to see what's going on in rakhine state you know if you're off on the people i spoke to in the refugee camps what's going on there is just horrific the type of torture they're going through the kind of abuse they're under not only from the military but from mob so also from neighboring villages and it is just carnage and giving journalists that kind of access to see what's going on it's really really going to open up me and mar and make make it so visible the kind of persecution that these people are going through so that would be the number one reason why the government isn't giving them any access but. as far as trying to understand what is going on there you can just listen to the people stories at the camps itself and it is just there's just so much consistency in everything they say they all corroborate that
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new trial there doesn't matter which camp you go to so it's really really hard to to not believe what they're saying or even doubt the validity of what it is they're saying that's going on there i want to share what you have really want to share just a couple of comments we're getting from online because people are watching you have this conversation and have their own thoughts to add this is layla she says i expected the lady to have compassion considering she was in exile for years this is likely a comment on suu kyi although she was at house arrest for years not necessarily exile this is another comment from a small on twitter international community need to do more to pressure the mean more government to stop the killing of innocent people because of their belief and i want to pivot just a little bit though to some of our reporting from show shafi he's super tall or for al-jazeera online but has and you mentioned a little bit earlier and it's this headline here that really caught all of our eyes he says they look at us with hope but we can only document their despair and he writes in details what it's like to be
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a photo journalist capturing these moments of people and what that feels like because at the end of the day the reporters go home here's what he told the stream . hi i'm shocked at your feet i have been coding i can get a few questions from last when you can now the situation is very bad what here there are thousands and thousands of people walking around looking for food and looking for shelter everyone has a painful story to share on my second day of my assignment i was on the border i saw a little boy taking care of his unconscious baby sister they had lost their father in myanmar and they had got separated from their mother went across the world to bangladesh when i took the picture of the unconscious baby something broke inside me it was hard very hard for me. she's safe and shock of the remarkable job the stress that both have been under has been immense as well and i think their work speaks volumes shock at that particular incident of
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people taking pictures of this one young refugee that he asked him to write something but we didn't expect to be so powerful but i think again sometimes when you vents like this we sometimes fail to look at the reality of what's happening on the ground and i think that shock well i'll join the some of you as well florence in man why is it that we have highlighted that the suffering and the pain that individual are going through because i've just done some today and we have had hundred one thousand stories coming out of myanmar and bangladesh since august twenty fifth videos text. discussions and why because there's an interest people are interested in this story and what i was. doing in this case is not just parachuting in and going back out again we've been covering the story since two thousand and twelve and i remember it was fairly recent did investigation in two thousand and thirteen called it in genocide just
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a few days before incidents flared up in the rocking state i just you know well it had something title silent abuse which was about what was going on in. the words there in just what shows are just here or is it that here today gone tomorrow media entity we've had people there for a considerable amount of time and also we are continuing to have people that join the largest was john howard is there nicolas how he is that. we have just sent our judges and that. he or she had to look at the situation of women refugees i mean these refugee comes on and it's something i think we'll be reporting not just for the next few days but i think for a long time for a few months ahead i get the last word but i just jump in very quickly and talk about something that child cuts that really resonate. to do with me was the whole idea of that you go into this campus and people are expecting you to help they expect some kind of difference so when we were doing a story on sick children we will walking around to a couple of tents and talking to people and almost every single tense had had
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a sick child or a sick adult tibia we had i want to finland second i was going to get you to write on that up my point exactly my point was that like shock that said after we interviewed one of the tents we were just surrounded by people from all the other tents in the camps asking us to talk to them because they'd be a little proud about myself a towel right when you jordan will find all of their work and more all of our correspondents will be tweeting it out you'll find it on stream that al-jazeera dot com as well thanks for joining the show today. let's talk about. now. right now. right now it's happening so fast. you can barely keep up with it. right now we've
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