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tv   The Stream 2018 Ep 7  Al Jazeera  January 11, 2018 11:32am-12:00pm +03

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meets in the rain in delegation in brussels ahead of a u.s. deadline to reaffirm the twenty fifteen nuclear deal russia confirmed its support for the agreement on wednesday agreement needs to be signed off every ninety days violence has flared between police and protesters in five cities during a wave of anti austerity rallies protesters are angry at the government's planned price and tax hikes. further leaks seven modes of attempts by egyptian military intelligence to influence media coverage in the country and recordings broadcast by the make a million t.v. channel an officer can be heard instructing a presenter to attack the amir of qatar intelligence officer also tells a presenter that pressure should be increased on kuwait to prevent it supporting qatar in the gulf crisis egypt the saudi arabia and bahrain imposed an economic blockade on qatar in june kuwait has been attempting to mediate in the dispute here
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as president donald trump insists any immigration reform must include funding for a border war with mexico and choose a federal judge blocked the government from ending protection for undocumented immigrants who are brought to the u.s. as children those are the headlines the stream. as thousands of seek refuge in bangladesh a new armed group is taking shape fighting the government. because they refuse to give us basic rights as citizens for the first time a member of the ira can just salvation army talks to al-jazeera at this time. ok in the street. today a recent rise in attacks on migrants is shining the spotlight on racism inquiry i'd also calling on the country to examine the growing popularity of a right wing political party.
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since december the twenty fifth more than thirty homes of migrant labor has been the target of violence in the. us those behind the attacks are believed to be members of the neo fascist political party golden dawn the group has grown in popularity over the years thanks to their rhetoric. and their ability to use the national resentment over greece's financial crisis and twenty sixteen the government established an official office for complaints of fascism and violence but activists say there's been little help so here to help us talk about this. he's in athens city councilor and the national coordinator of her that's an anti-fascist organization dedicated to fighting racism you know who's the president of the greek forum on refugees. she's a human rights lawyer assistant coordinator at the racist violence recording
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network out in cyprus and told us al lead us he's an associate professor of political science at the university of cyprus is also coming to working on a book about the rise of golden dawn it's good to see you everybody wish it was under better circumstances i want to show you a picture audience and guests as well this is ashfaq the mom of that he was one of two migrant laborers he was attacked and this was by the end of last year it was the end of last year we're going to a little bit closer you can see. some of his wounds and another attack here you know when you see this when you see these attacks can you relate this is resonate with you is this part of what you're trying to preventing greece. ok when i see these pictures and they are liddy have a file of. tens of pictures like this that i myself i have witnessed and i have shoot at them and they mean my still also i have been with tims of. attacks in my
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office. so i want to explain more of the attacks itself it is not the big issue for us the big issue especially for me i was there witnessing recording and also. playing it and also taking it to the authorities the big issue was also the reactions of the authorities for example when i was attacked when the police came when i referred to the police stations when i started and when i said that i want to make a complaint the reaction of the police and those who it is it was a shocking for me that the police went in front of the police station he said the so if you want to make a complaint i will put you in that the detention center for three nights it was the shocking point for me that i was the president of organization i knew the language i have documents so all for thousands and thousands of refugees and migrants that they didn't have documented they didn't know language and nothing nothing so you can imagine what does it mean. rushes and while it's on the timing of those an
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eleven ten eleven ten eleven. twelve thirteen and fourteen like there's. so petros you know what eunice is talking about there detailing there is perhaps a wider perception an attitude towards attacks like these and we're seeing that online as well what that wider perception looks like al-jazeera english its out this tweet it's been happening at least three times per week the anti migrant attack surging in paris and we got this response to that tweet nick says greeks don't have the basic needs to survive do you think that we care about them he goes on to say i'm a young nineteen year old greek unemployment is that fifty percent for the young people and i don't have a future i'm always anxious about how i'm going to survive when i hear refugees complaining about their basic needs i'm really sorry but i don't care about them i can't explain it any better than that petros can you talk to us about some of the attitudes that are still similar to nixon perhaps similar to the police officers
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that eunice was talking about. the gridley actions are just mission before it's a tiny minority in this country when the in two thousand and sixteen more than one million if you just came in greece. from the eyes and eighty five percent of the population was supporting the fujis in fifty five percent of the population just gave something the op and the house give support with clothes and. the movement here in greece really fought for opening the border and giving human conditions for. for housing or all of this to people of course in greece because when we saw that the faces of the refugees who are caught the situation sometimes is much worse in greece we have met this at the met there's hope for august recess and musician shows that look man and he wanted. to do it by squads of
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god been done in greece grace just comes from above comes from the government but have also and you're not department that have organized or be subtypes a lot of acts that were all. organized or guest appear before i would say from two thousand and ten to two thousand and fifteen but the data. are less precise wasn't mad and the putting it and the government look to cut government is that you're not just hundreds and more than one thousand people they will stamp it was cut up about or be subtypes they fell almost to the wall sometimes not to the hundreds in the hours and the. most of the tax increase they were related with then you're not been done they are no one try other. period in two thousand and thirteen the whole
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argument a group and that in the priesthood because of the method of problem space. yes and now we are more. who he is just there. is. no so for peace and numbers and for hundreds of accounts against the migrants and refugees so what is important in greece we can't be there nerds out the iraqis organizing or for us or these attacks the police it was comedy all of these are acts and that's part of the policeman there were members who were going to work out in their actions so you knew suspects before. really got been going to the enormous one thank you they can be how you would be actions saying no of course ok let me just let me just bring in a tennis has until it's working right now in a book about golden dawn so to court cases people being put into prison
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does that mean that golden dawn now is shrinking that the effets to spread that philosophy for increase the thinking. well i think what is really alarming is electorally it hasn't really gone down that much since the trial has started or since the arrests of two thousand and thirteen after the murders so it's now the third biggest party greece. you've got something like seven percent and it's pulling slightly higher organizationally it has been in decline i would say since two thousand and thirteen so local branches. a number of them have shut down it's very difficult for the party to be out in the streets in part because of the anti fascist mobilization that has been taking place across
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a number of cities primarily large urban centers so i think this attacks recent attacks in three areas are very alarming and to some extent they are surprising because. his organization is largely in decline so. one would think that. this wouldn't be happening on the other hand we've seen this happen before we've seen it happen in two thousand and twelve in two thousand and thirteen very similar attacks by people who are associated with the golden dawn and they're now facing trial for crimes or nearly killing or killing people so on the one hand it's not surprising we've said it before or the other hand this organization at least in terms of its infrastructure is seems to be in decline so it is a bit surprising that we see those who threw us at this at this moment so i don't as i hear you there and of course you are writing
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a book on this so i will defer to you as the expert here on whether or not they're declining but there is a sentiment online that's afraid that they're not so it have a listen to this video comment this is from mary she's a researcher who is also researching golden dawn and this is what she told the stream support for poland on increase is very small and has declined since twenty twelve rather than grown they now hold sixteen seats out of three hundred however it is significant that a disproportionate number of greek police seem to support the us that could be provided as male protection for don inspired by ants there's some evidence that this is the case and true the impact of gold on might be greater than what we think . so shipments and they are declining what she brings up a point that we heard petro springs and eunice bring up about the police that relates to something in this tweet this is from mariano who says what seems more dangerous to me is not golden dawn societal influence as it's clear where they represent where they come from what concerns me the most is the way the refugee crisis is used by other parties and the so-called democratic spectrum she goes on
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to say take for example the fact that popular high ranking in piece of the main opposition party in greece share similar attitudes towards refugees with golden dawn their rhetoric will have a much more negative impact than golden dawn and the rhetoric will shape people's attitudes tina what do you make of that this is wider than just say golden dawn. so it. made out something to what has been said before yes i mean their acts have been clearly decreased since it was accused of going to go and all members and that's why i had to do the outcome of this trial where i'm from because they were meant to offer group violence but we have also do did you say to know that i mean don i wasn't joining in previous years also you know not only he had you know this has. been great but also the get the grip just like the media has
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with this violence so in its model of us there and i said before we have no you know small cities we have this groups you know that we have not backed by groups on my own small enough because there have been we have a slight increase aid and also have indeed so they're all the the god that they're trying to trial is ongoing and we will see that they don't and let's to be you know members of the and old but the violence is there and the motto of the earth has not been has not changed as you said it's very violent very violent that there again been the victim suffered multiple injuries as who has you tolerate the god and i'll get their response that the authorities and their other purposes. tina are you seeing a difference between attacks on migrant laborers perhaps our attacks on refugees is there any difference between these kind of attacks and not really because there are
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you know whenever we talk about the group via group by groups there are mostly you know what cycle are on food groups you know using very. little you know very violent objects but i got one or two persons of the east they also you know it was very very violent the abuse very very violent the victims there and also was. many gays the big road so we have. gay says that finally you reach justice and. i have to say that you know since the well we managed to get a lot and we managed to who don't want to fight the motion and. we for. undocumented you know migrants with the opportunity to do good to have lives as justice although in practice it's more. then. you see that only victims and it's very difficult for victims who do.
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go to do the least not want but they need. as many other victims. just take a pause for a moment i want to take out when i was back to june twenty twelve and that was when golden dawn had just won several seats in parliament and one of those members has adela's participated in a political chat show it was a great television i want to show you how he handled himself have a look. because there's a similarity in the grass you know the real. the better. but. that's not the only time that's happened. petrus it will be wrong to say that here's one golden door member this means that they're all violent because the way
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that he conducted himself but there is this seems to be this theme of violence that runs from this movement i want to make sure that i haven't done it without a proportion do you see that because you are fighting it in greece. the passion that you showed that he is now elected in the in the parliament and also in athens municipality as councillor he was one of the educators of the sparta more troops now in the process of the trial we see a lot of. he was also living in a big problem in the streets in the streets of athens with the group of four fascists that were taken in the daylight a lot of migrants and i mean the big problem in greece is that this party they entered the parliament and there is using the parliamentary dues in their or
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electoral success in order to build a classical storm troops are there with him there was building in the in the period of the therapies but we should start also the other part of the picture in greece there is a huge and the fascist movement from the two thousand and thirteen when they met their publish of recess and the whole bit of the process of the trial started hundreds of thousands of brick people they got on the streets and they are. shouting loudly that this party should be stopped their offices they should be closed they shouldn't be given space in the media the greek parliament has already voted that the money that is there that they could get from the budget has been stopped because of the child so. there is an effort by the new natural god are going to say ok we are. one political party or the others this is not the truth.
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that in the middle of an economic crisis the political crisis try to exploit. this but hopefully that is because it's something that in this country and i want to say to all the people that are watching that on seven march this year there's some kind of national day of fight against racism flashes because we see this voice and this political forces are rising are rising in france a rise in nasiriya what are they are not getting the government are rising in germany so for us it's not only to describe all of these but nest a picture but it's a show that the christian values issues and the fastest movement that comes out of the you know so i hear what you're saying and here's someone who might agree with you this is romney on twitter he says one issue is the roots of attraction to far right groups among drinks many golden dawn supporters are just angry greeks who
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lost their jobs or can't enjoy life as they used to before the economic crisis policymakers and banks are the cause of that crisis but they're not seen on the streets while refugees are visible to an angry public on the streets which makes them vulnerable a lot of people eunice are seeing this as a reason for why there is anger there and they're saying the government isn't doing enough but in two thousand and sixteen the ministry of justice and acted a committee to fight racism and xenophobia you're on that committee do you see that as part of the efforts what what's happened so far. yeah of course there are going to have been some positivistic since two thousand and fifteen of course money positivistic serious racially and judicial system and also university and even and and police stations as you mentioned a good forester there are some good escapes at the society also as it's a spit was mentioned of course we have very colorful anti fascist. movements that
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they are supporting but for us as refugees but still be fair or we're that's the reality that we see that of course we don't have attacks of course the attacks are have been decreased. much more now we don't have the incidents that we had every day and i can remember that attacks we had in one day on refugees and migrants at the streets of athens just at the center of a so but the problem is that we know that it causes in the parliament a golden dawn is the first party which is which is concerning for us of course they are not attacking but but they can sure as that they are there they have power and they are powerful so i think that the government this is society and all the party should should concern about this issue that this party should not be even in the in the parliament that but it is now the third party of course it is it is not a big numbers of chairs in the parliament but it is a good opportunity fourteen for when that they are. using this it is it is the
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most important and from the other point i want to say something else also as i said in judicial and also some changes some positive changes we have seen but one things that even the government and also i don't see and public debate it is the problem of raising awareness to the migrants and refugees themselves we know that most of them they are coming from afghanistan which with decades they have been victims of violence or rushton violence or any kind of other while. or if i gamble from. syria what could these people they have been a leader with his oppression to be a country so when they are coming in most of them they know they do know the other writes about fascism violence they don't know if they should google to make a complaint so there is a big gap in ingres for raising awareness to be in a place that they make a complaint on the police the bailiff system. how they protect.
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the it is an issue of doing thing in the compounds compounds the challenges let me show you something here and tennis if you don't you're a news to to blocks the count of greece is far right golden dawn party what impact could that possibly have on tennis so the golden dawn does not have. major resources at this point because it doesn't have state funding to communicate with voters through the mainstream media so it has been using social media quite a bit both its web site as well as social media so denying it the possibility to use twitter is supported by the it's also i think of a strong signal about what people in the water than i was asians both national and international can do to. push parties to become more democratic or to become democratic or to deny them. the possibility to be part of
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the national dialogue if they're not so i think it's a big dilemma that democracies face internationally what should they do with actors that are not democratic and what kind of tools can they use to combat extremism so i think twitter is sending a very strong signal about what can be done from that point on of course we have to sit down and wait and see. what effect this have on the electoral support of this parties i wonder though if we move this like twitter to ban the party on that platform will have a backlash without this tweet from marcos who says golden dawn of the third largest party in greece in both the greek parliament and the e.u. parliament was banned from twitter anyone who was against third world for a place that migration as he puts it is an extremist neo nazi to even suggest that
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greece is for the greeks is the big streamed by the corporate media and globalist shills this is actually on the internet not directly to the stream but this is a concept that's out there what do you make of what he's saying a person that is also and that's why i think one of them maybe this question is. directly related to. the goals and. because i mean if it's as if it's found. in addition to me. i think everything you know. i mean the. expression is only one of. us but anything in any case you know cleaning up i mean. and may face these may not be excused especially when you. do the seismic. so what have we. it's not very easy. to you know. it's hard to
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judge but i think that's why. you know the outcome of this trial very very of the sciences. do you feel that the team is very briefly right the end of the year that with the end of golden dawn that's done then we're done with it depends on how the forensics. how you know and the reason and really you know how it will be handled the media and and we're not going to hear holder and we said that a core of that walked out of there and. petraeus we thank you very much for being part of this conversation the last word to mariane on twitter he says the main question though is whether the threat to rick will translate into votes in future elections thank you very much guests thank you community we continue our conversation always at the stream using hash tag eight
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