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tv   Inside Story 2018 Ep 15  Al Jazeera  January 15, 2018 8:32pm-9:01pm +03

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walkway suddenly collapsed at least seventy five people were taken to hospital in jakarta and police say none of the injuries is life threatening building managers are being questioned about why the floor. an armed group has launched an attack on an airbase in the libyan capital tripoli killing at least twelve people security sources say gunmen stormed base where fighting spilled on to the runway suspending flights it's the only functioning airport in tripoli after the international terminal was damaged and twenty fourteen the base was under the control of the specialty terence force which is affiliated with the un backed government of national accord and video has been released which is said to show some of the girls kidnapped from the nigerian town of chibok nearly four years ago and the video one of the girls says they are from chibok and on never coming back nearly three hundred schoolgirls were abducted from their school by the armed group aka her in
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april twenty fourth teen about sixty escaped soon afterwards and around one hundred are still believed to be in captivity stay with us and i'll just coming up next it's inside story don't go away. is donald trump playing with fire by backing the kurds in syria yes he is says turkey which feels threatened by a new army of thirty thousand mainly kurdish soldiers on the turkish border how much volatility will they aren't to the war zone this is inside story. it.
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would. get. i welcome to the program i'm jane dothan u.s. support for kurds in syria is leading to threats of retaliation from turkey the u.s. led coalition plans to set up a thirty thousand strong force in syria just across the border with turkey turkey is president thinks the kurdish led force is a threat and is valid to attack the city of afrin in northern syria afrin is a major stronghold of y.p. kurdish fighters turkey considers the y p g a terrorist group linked to kurdistan workers party or the p.k. k. fighters who have waged a long war against turkish dominance but in a hundred ports. turkish president today chip tayyip erdogan and using a party address to look staunch in the face of a u.s. backed couldst force on his southern border he promised to respond with
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a show of force saying tikki will launch its own military operation and the northern syrian city of buffeting not so still a lot of religion that just like we do not let the kurdistan workers party or p.k. open their eyes within our borders we are determined to vanquish them on the other side of fall border god willing in the coming days we will continue the operation to purge our southern border from terror. turkey has fought kiddish factions within its borders for more than thirty years and doesn't want to see the kurds gain power and neighboring syria the u.s. and the european union say the p.k. k. is a terror group but in northern syria the americans say they're supporting kurdish forces not the p.k. k. specifically the kurds are the most effective fighting force against the islamic state in syria and they've been very successful at that that's the american purpose
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but the turks regard the kurds and the why b.g. as a dire threat to u.s. president trump promised iran that he would stop being and training could fight is but the pentagon never made that official now turkey is furious about reports of a new u.s. backed border force of thirty thousand personnel with the syrian democratic forces a group of largely controlled by the could ish y p g they will reportedly deploy along the border of turkey iraq to the southeast and the euphrates river valley the dividing line with assad's military the american backed could a swipe e.g. posted this online in december purporting to show clashes with turkish forces it's enough rain in northern syria the same could. do i. now says he will launch a military operation in the coming days they're just there already kyler despite it all we believe we have common interests with america in the region and hope we can
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act in concert because the time has come to support turkey and the time to give strategical peroration is do african could be the taste for a difficult three way relationship between powers in the syrian war ticky the united states and the kurdish fight is so hated by one side and supported by the other media mahommed zero to zero. and it's bringing our guests joining us from washington d.c. good ron peoples democratic party representative to the united states of america a cheapie is a kurdish opposition group in turkey in istanbul mitten good john as security analyst and former turkey military officer and from reza italy by skype is joshua landis director center for middle east addie's at the university of oklahoma very well welcome to all three of you let me start off with you joshua landis what do
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you make of this outright support now for the kurds in syria and the u.s. backing this thirty thousand strong force. well it's it's clearly a new departure for the united states the u.s. went into syria saying that it was a very narrow policy to defeat isis today isis is largely defeated yes there needs to be more policing but the united states has developed a policy which goes far beyond defeating isis today it is trying to roll back iran we can. help its allies israel and saudi arabia and did nine. capability to rebuilt to keep it weak and divided this means supporting the kurds in the north and a larger un claims this is infuriated turkey an heir to want it is driving turkey towards russia and i believe it's a dangerous policy for the united states because it'll be very difficult and it
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will isolate the united states from assad iran turkey and eventually even iraq met i'm going to turn what do you think the u.s. is up to here and how are you gauging take his response on the military response. and i mean just literally three hours ago president are done he made an a very very strong speech and this has been the most inflammatory speech that he made is so far so i. think that is why p.j. forcers take a affiliated forces is an imminent threat for the security of turkey and is very firm on this issue with his rhetorical present and has been trying to emphasize underline this fact and there ma'am i have to say that. when taking into
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account the military situation on the ground it is very hard it's getting getting increasingly hard at the moment and wait no one taking into ankara's firm stance against by p.g. thinking that i suggest that the armed confrontation in the north of syria between turkish military or turkish military backed free syrian army forces and wipe each of forces is imminent at the scale of these armed confrontation is however is not debt or mind by ankara neither on current nor why p.j. but is going to be decided on the on two capitals first one is must go the second one is d.c. and the ones are the ones concerns about why p.g.d. justified is it as much of a threat to turkey as a consensus it to be i have to say that. to an eighteen
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year two thousand and eighteen is going to be a high probability is going to benediction years of course. i mean the strategic rationale behind the his inflammatory rhetoric first one is surely it's because of the most important goal consumption but the second point is also relevant iting turkey or anchor has been feel. a grave threat by being encircled by the terror belt or p.k. k. belt stretching from the north of. not then iraq is starting from candy in the region connecting syria to iraq we dosser to countenance in the west and in the east of your if it's arm into syria and carbonic antoine's and the canton in the west of europe it's arm in the club and canton saw uncle right on his you feeling under very big pressure on how to first prevent it from prevented this terror belt or protect
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a belt from happening and have to counter all the things going on in the north of syria and get out and can your view that kurdish fear of these moves by the u.s. . well the move by the u.s. seemed to please the kurds in the region firstly because until now. that the alliance between the kurds and the us has been largely seen as transactional i mean certain u.s. officials have said that that relationship is a tactical relationship and is based on the defeat of isis but as we see now isis has largely been defeated in syria but this relationship is continuing the u.s. says that this is to maintain stability in the region and i think the kurds are pleased by this that this relationship can move forward from not just defeating isis but maintaining and as the ability in the wider region but also may be further
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down the line turn into a political relationship rather than just merely. a military one against a joint enemy so i think the step taken by the u.s. now with the border security force or further diplomatic relationships which seem to be also developing at the same time pleasing the kurds in syria specifically it because it makes in. one said that chump had to choose between turkey and nato ally or the kurds this sort of move seems to suggest that trump and the u.s. have made up their mind when it comes to this relationship. yes i mean this is a clear message and president trying to increase its leverage in india post i said think there are three things to be done in syria at the moment first one is to tame. the second one is to balance iran's increasing influence particularly in the
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north of syria and the target one is. first marginalize and then eliminate sell it to ration in north of syria saw this in for these three tasks i think what the us controlling the east of your if it's and russia controlling the west of europe it's. been reliant on why p.g. as a coherent military force on the ground is an local proxy and pew i did as a political actor to achieve this three object of so i'm going to has been seeing this and then uncle right now by pressuring by creating a sort of pressure on the saturday decision making mechanisms in the d.c. has been proposing this is grim or important a factor of nato the memberships and the traditional alliance between u.s. and turkey and just it seems by this move that the fact that the u.s.
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went ahead unilaterally that they've done nothing to apply the turks here and therefore to do that now well that's the big question that's the million dollar question the united states does seem to be giving up turkey there is no doubt about it by supporting kurdish nationalism in northern syria. this is alienating turkey it's been driving turkey into the arms of russia as we've seen over the last few years turkey was hoping that that relationship u.s. kurdish relationship would begin to reverse once isis was destroyed that is not the case the united states is building an argument for remaining in northern syria. saudi arabia would like the united states remain there israel would like the united states to remain there to cut down assad's government and to deny the syrian government oil water and agricultural land that's what chopping syria
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into two and developing a long term relationship with the kurds in the north helping them it to develop greater independence will ultimately do it'll keep syria very weak this is a way to night iran the fruits of it's a victory in syria and also to bring russia down a notch so i think the united states is seeing this as a way to hurt its enemies russia and it won and to help its allies. both israel and saudi arabia the trouble is is that turkey is collateral damage here the united states' relationship with turkey is going from bad to worse and this dependence on the kurds is in a sense underlining that the united states unfortunately i believe has looked at turkey as a last partner that it's move towards dictatorship greater islamist i'm less
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democracy is not something that's going to be reversed and that america can't reverse i think the united states the state department increasingly is writing off turkish interests rates and response to that flight. i mean and to some extent are you agree with. the point i'm i'm trying to emphasize is this green fact foreign turkey for almost two weeks we see a sort of threat that you shift in the night it will for u.s. decision makers you know in particularly in the when they're talking to their activities in the east of you know if it's you know a once and they were saying that the u.s. this is you make this medical decision makers they were saying that and they are full cooperation with the white people. forces on the ground is very limited at the tactical level and only limited with the fight against isis but with this is a shift in strategy shift of this narrative of you know right now u.s. decision makers are talking about creation of an
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a standing army for border protection you know the army off to north to involving around trees thirty thousand you know combat proven soldiers what we are here talking about their emergence or a creation of an a standing army i think with this subject shift of narrative. i will say bells in an anchorite this is the first point is the critical juncture that we have to. remember the second issue i think in india right now is west of you refused to be advance of torso russia backed as such force us. into a city center you know controlled by. radical elements in h d s so our anchor also has been a little bit disturbed by this a recent development and this is some complaining about this advance this attack
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is to r.c. duke walt. create a sort of friction in the ecumenical rate they are going all out here i mean russia turkey and iran there's also want to do you want to talk about this way but i mean this is quite a military force isn't the thirty thousand many countries don't have that do you think this will be that call of some sort of our military so if this is to go on. it may well be but i think i think the highlight here i think what we what we need to highlight is that the relationship between the u.s. and the kurds is going to continue and and this implies maybe not directly a nation building project by the u.s. but it definitely implies that there's going to be some sort of a consistent relationship in the short and medium term and i think another thing that we have to underline here is the turkish states the turkish nation state historic. this like towards kurdish aspirations in the region
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and as this relationship develops between the kurds and the u.s. and as this moves on from a nearly military relationship to a more diplomatic and political one which may well turn into a strategic strategic relationship that turkey states reactions going to be more aggressive and i think that's what this whole rhetoric is mostly about yes i understand the international conjuncture and how the international relations are playing a huge part in this problem right now and i agree with joshua that and met him actually as well but this is going to be between moscow and d.c. but i think that there is a current that has to be highlighted here that the turkish states historically actions towards any sort of kurdish aspirations in terms of both autonomy or independence it's a severe aggression and this displeases that turkey the turkish state and i mean
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we saw this in iraq you kurdistan to the reflexes of the turkish state to iraq to kurdistan with similar yes they weren't as aggressive but they too at the same time in iraq to kurdistan rule so against. the kurds of south iraqi kurdistan developing their nationalist aspirations and now with what's going on in north of the. with the u.s. until recently was saying the relationship with the cause is transactional but right now off the vices i think the talk is that is beginning to understand and well seasoned to be gullible in this sense the the us is going to maintain a longer relationship with the kurds and i agree with joshua yes this is at the expense of turkey the that the us is slowly less concerned about losing turkey to russia which previously the state department and the u.s.
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has always been worried about but i think that concern is much less now than what it used to be especially with the one at the helm this may change somewhat actually ask about the want to change of attitude so that you raise that i mean the u.s. was against the kurdistan the independence referendum and iraq and yet they seem to support the some of the type of action if it ever went to get to that point in syria a real change in policy here isn't it it is it is and i think you're very right to bring up that comparison because many friends have been saying oh but they'll america will abandon the kurds in syria the way they have abandoned them in iraq now first of all i do not think the united states abandoned the kurds in iraq the referendum deal in which the baghdad government took care cook a disputed sit in america did not what some think that the united states had always
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told the kurds they couldn't have they couldn't just take i don't think the united states abandon the kurds in iraq but but that clearly the accusation has been made and this makes america more sensitive to abandoning the kurds in syria the big difference is that america does not like assad and sees damascus as an enemy america's ally israel and saudi arabia both want to weaken. by staying and helping the kurds in northern syria the united states is hurting its enemies and helping its friends the united states sees baghdad as a friendly power and that they built the constitution the united states did help build a constitution and it's going to defend it in iraq in syria the united states believes it can use the kurds to gain leverage over our side to fulfill the
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geneva process which the united states is trying to pursue a peace process that will allow the u.s. and its allies to gain important interests in damascus i don't believe it will succeed in this but i do believe the united states is committing itself in the medium and short term to the kurds of northern syria and this is a big change and let me translate it like a pretty dangerous game doesn't it. threatening their former allies in a sense minutes away do you think this leaves damascus or do you think bus on this side will say listen you know well but cleaned up in syria it's nearly a victory for me i'm prepared to let this go. i'm inclined to buy this argument of the us has been is now less concerned about ankara's interest and preordered prioritization is serious i am inclined to buy that argument the point i'm trying to emphasize is an important how can i say getting increasingly visible
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dynamic instrumentalists zation of the y.p. g. as a coherent little of force on the ground and you idea as the political actors in the right will the read between russia and the yes in in in in the post isis setting in syria so turkey has been or ankara has been trying to accommodate. to system level actors they are. diverging interests which is getting harder and harder. you know passing months for to again twenty thousand i think it will be eighteen will be an indecisive year we will see whether turkey is going to accommodate this interest of two system level actors you know one controlling us controlling the east of europe it's russia controlling to rest of europe hits and there right now also another important dynamic at the end of january we have sochi you know meeting and if this will be very very important
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meeting for turkey and the promotion of turkey agenda in and in sochi we will see a major run or must go will be happy with that or not so as i said before the instrumentalists action of y p g between in the right will be rebuilt when russia and us in the future of syria i thing is an important dynamic and it has a very. very digesting if it on the other they say are running out of talent just one another will play this now because it could possibly be seen that curt's are one of the few when it's from the syrian war. well i mean the kurds up until now have actually balance a good relationship with both the u.s. and russia and one must accept there's not or not many forces on the ground in the region that have been able to do this and yes the kurds since the outbreak of the
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conflict in syria have had relationships with both sides are currently still mintage maintaining a relationship with russia to the west of the euphrates and with the u.s. to the east of the euphrates now what will happen if arab on does actually follow through with his fruits and attack our friend we know that the only way that could possibly happen is if russia allows. the turkish army to actually enter the city where opens up its airspace. to the turkish army and so i think if that does happen then there's going to be a difficult discussion between the kurds and russia then and both russia and the us understand the importance of having a healthy relationship with the kurds in syria and leave it there are people who had an affinity for that in syria many moving parts to the story thanks for discussing it with us very much get on ours can make it in go to john and joshua
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