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tv   The Stream 2018 Ep 49  Al Jazeera  March 27, 2018 11:32am-12:01pm +03

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four people have been detained including the head of the company operating the location. produce what happening here is not a military action it's not an unexpected release of missing at a mine people and the children came here to get some rest we're talking about demographic decline and losing so many people to what do to criminal negligence due to carelessness. also a second day of voting has begun in egypt's presidential election also a second day of voting has begun in egypt's presidential election which thing come but the fact that sisi is certain to win opponents have called for a boycott after all serious challenges to sisi withdrew saying they faced intimidation and twenty four countries including the united states canada and australia have expelled russian diplomats it's a coordinated response to a nerve agent to turn on a former russian spy in britain which the west blames on moscow russia denies the
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allegation and describes expulsions as a provocative gesture cambridge and the little whistleblower christopher wiley is expected to face questions from members of the british parliament in the next few hours they'll be asking him about the involvement of the company he worked for in the brics it campaign cambridge and the litter and facebook are under growing pressure from the public and governments after widely revealed that the data of fifty million users was exploited to influence the twenty sixteen us presidential election he also says the data helped the u.k. campaign to leave the e.u. those are the headlines see you in thirty minutes. just. saying. some journalists decided to sacrifice their integrity for our own in the media opinion the listening post at this time on al-jazeera.
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are some animal species more worthy of being saved from extinction today we explore the state of wildlife conservation following the death of the so-called most eligible bachelor in the world today the rhino i mean they could be alive and you're now in the stream live on al-jazeera and you to send us your comments and i'll try my best to get as many as into the show. sudan the world's last mail in northern white rhino died from old age on tuesday reigniting debate about the best way to preserve endangered wildlife species around the globe al-jazeera correspondent catherine sawyer reports veterinarians at the old conservancy in central kenya puts it down to sleep because he was in too much pain and could not walk he had been struggling for years with complications that go
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with the mast a few months. but he leaves a reach and the last his life managing to stay clean off poachers almost wiped out the entire population of north and white rhinos in the one nine hundred seventy s. as sudan got older he became weak and his sperm count was well written so now researchers are watching on ways to use in vitro fertilization to save the species from extinction this will be the fast of its kind a delegate expensive and risky process we want to do everything but it's possible we even tried to keep them next to the southern man why try not to see whether you know we could get down to be a little interested so we brought in your girls and we said please you know can you talk to them and they are quite pleased and the nice but he just didn't respond so dan was forty five years old they've been to all of about ninety human e s. . so what's the significance of sudan staff and how might it influence how we
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attempt to save other endangered species joining me on set to discuss jim aleman is the director of program design and partner relations for the african wildlife foundation welcome to the stream so i pulled up here on my laptop because i said this term a little earlier and i want to give our viewers where it's from the world's most eligible eligible bachelor and this is part of a tender campaign that's the online dating app to raise awareness and at one point to raise funding for sudan who is now. what is it that has inspired like this campaigns like this in tweets like this. the news was a devastating but the best way to remember sudan is by creating awareness through showcasing more stories on efforts and initiatives to save and protect the rhino what is it that's inspired people like this to care so much why is this significant
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. you for having me this very important issue that we care board did. there's no doubt that the dave. is stuck in the rude awakening to all of us is a global community that ward life is in a crisis in part of the reason why we see this kind of innovation the way people are campaigning to fundraise one to protect. all those in peril the species is because this is a real calamity we are losing africa so wildlife heritage and this is happening fast and every day so in as much as it is source said to lead to lose the most eligible bachelor in sudan i hope this comes as a rude awakening to all of us to say we knew to do something because we cannot is the global community afford to see this iconic species disappear and ours i got this comment here from jackie on twitter she says i'm totally gutted but i can't
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imagine the loss felt by his daily twenty four seven carers as you can see my profile picture is in his memory can see a little picture and they're wondering if the conservancy will be able to breed another northern white rhino so we know that there is an indian show process explained to us the difficulty in making sure that this sub species lives on so again wildlife our world so they do best in their adapted to breed into to live and survive healthily in a world environment their process of in vitro fertilization if you show we that even for human beings where there's been more research it comes with costs with a lot of risks so in the case of the northern wild trying. to breed to get them back to viable populations is going to take a lot of effort it's extremely expensive i think the numbers they've been thrown out there in the media research as in scientists are doing the best possible but at
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the end of the day i think that again should be just remind us to say why should we wait and to. the stage where we need to invest billions of my men to just get a population that in the past not so long because it would be in the wild but because it was so greedy we have ended up in this situation back in because of the northern white. walls i'm going to pause you for a moment they are to shift the conversation just a bit to a practice that some animal rights activists would say is among the reasons that rhino elephant and big cat species are endangered in the first place and trophy hunting animal rights and conservation groups in the united states recently filed a lawsuit against u.s. interior secretary ryan zinke he also head of the country's fish and wildlife service or decision to repeal and obama era ban on the import of animal trophies which the department will now review on a case by case basis here's tanya sonera
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a lawyer for the center for biological diversity as the rest of the world is shutting down markets for elephants and their parts the trumpet ministration has greenlighted wealthy us trophy hunters to kill these majestic animals and bring them back to hang on the wall our lawsuit over us trophy imports aims to ensure the administration hears from not just trophy hunters but also scientists and the public at large and informs us of their decisions elephants and lions are on the road to extinction we need to ensure the animals survive and thrive not shoot them for fun. conservationist say approximately five thousand african elephants are killed every year but proponents of trophy hunting argue that the money big game hunters pay to go on regulated trips helps fund conservation efforts so what are the potential costs and consequences of the practice on joining us to discuss charlie mayhew is the chief executive and co-founder of the task trust as a u.k.
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based conservation charity whose patron is prince william and in dallas texas corey mason is a wildlife biologist and the executive director of the dallas safari club the hunters advocacy group welcome to the stream and gentlemen i want to start with you corey just to make sure that our audience is all on the same page how would you describe trophy hunting what is it yeah there's a gross mischaracterization of what trophy hunting is and what it is not i would characterize hunting in the essence of a well regulated science based program that is sustainable sustainability is of critical importance obviously oftentimes targeting a specific age class of of animals and most specifically oftentimes males it should never be confused with poaching which is an illegal practice which is oftentimes the case was which we much know the demise of rhino but that there are clear distinction needs to take place to have a conversation that has some merit based to it so i pulled up this tweet on my
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screen here charlie eighty flora's says unregulated trophy hunting decimates animal populations however well regulated trophy hunting can mitigate the damages resulting from the current black market for prized animals the profits can be redirected into conservation communities will ensure that regulations are then enforced what's your view on trophy hunting the funding conservation efforts. well the problem that you have. is. when you talk about whether trophy hunting is regulated or not. and unfortunately across africa. we have a problem whereby there isn't demick corruption often within the systems that are designed to supposedly regulate hunting and so when the trophy trophy hunting for turn a t.v.
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talk about. regulating the hunting and the funds going back into conservation. they are often overstating. issues and those figures so. we are concerned really about. the fact that the quota systems which are often put in place by the wildlife departments to supposedly regulate hunting are often abused. that the farms that are being paid are going to central government or to the to the trophy hunter. the professional hunter and the percentage of the fund that actually get down to the ground and the support conservation are again often over exaggerated so you know there are also
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fundamental issues about whether. the hunting is a property regulated what's your response to that and we had a lot of people online saying that unfortunately there's corruption when it comes to this and so that money never actually makes it to where you go. you know we hear this sort of generalized assumption made on corruption to the point where it's sort of just copper bowl and you know it's easy to point to cases in which hunting contributes a very significant to wildlife conservation the preservation and conservation of vast lands that simply would not exist without the conservation through hunting model we also have some very specific instances that we can point to such as the can't farm model in zimbabwe that gives control of all out resources as well as local benefits derived to local people in excess of twenty million dollars annually derived from hunting as well so there are many as this is as well as there may be some particular instances in some governments across the world clearly which
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corruption occurs that's not symptomatic of hunting that's just people so those generalisations statements like that just don't hold much credence until we can have some specific case by case examples i pulled up this week here in the mail charlie says animals hunted during trophy hunts are specifically selected based on their age their health their ability to breed trophy hunting gives much needed funds to drive conservation efforts there's that idea again we're not saying it's not sad it's just all day that's what we have for now what a local community think of trophy hunters so i think even just the discussion from know here. the application of trophy hunting why is this point two is that if a new generation to plow back into convention i did you could work. what i think we should not lose sight of is the fact that of right now the majority two of the species that are thieves for those that are in the sport of hunting. and that
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threat do we are working i think now with the countries that have this sources for the species to put in place measures for law enforcement and even for scientific monitoring that can allow for these checks and balances and accountability required to do hunting properly in that doesn't exist in many places and not all of them right now so in the interest of the global good and in the interest of even sustaining that industry it is important to this juncture to simply put aside promoting that sport now what do communities think communities are poor be need their level to be improved in their lives juxtaposition toward life species this conflict so if there is any way we can work is a community to ensure that communities realize benefits to improve their quality of life for more or less we should do that eco tourism is one. if hunting the final one i think if i as we are contending say them contained everything but when yes
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they can fabregas when well is it perfect it is going to pause then bobbins would want it to work well because it is important for our life to contribute to the improvement of life in perpetuity but it cannot as long as these checks and balances are not in place and what we should be doing is a global communities to mobilize resources to build the capacity to of be a lot less equal and you see these countries of the local community that are all very passionate about their wildlife to make sure that they can do that anymore and you know i hear talking i can see charlie nodding as had there charlie yeah now i just i just think that in a campfire. you know worked pretty successfully when it first started but has subsequently been. hijacked by central government. and i think it's very important we get into perspective the income levels and the red that are generated by us you know traditional photographic safari tourism safari tourism in
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africa it generates something like thirteen billion dollars a year where the hunting industry contributes probably about one hundred thirty two million dollars so it's it's less from point seven it's five point seven eight percent of safari tours of revenue so and if you look at a country like kenya where they. stopped hunting many years ago. the communities that live alongside wildlife have successfully created a number of community driven conservancy which are now generating significant revenue for those communities from photographic tourism so i think the thing is that you know that the. if the hunting trip term achieve is able to get the house fully in order. properly regulated and demonstrate that the money really genuinely get down to the ground. then potentially there's
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a place for it. in africa because one of the big concerns that we have of course coming down the track over the positively wildlife trade is that she's also habitat the human population in africa set to double by twenty fifty and that's putting wildlife under huge pressure. from potential loss of habitat so in that sense potentially the hunting concessions that currently exist in number these countries do still have a role to play in saving the habitat right as i emphasize it's really about making sure that they're not abusing the quota system and that they are it is it is properly regulated at the moment it's just that it's not right and called you want to give you the last word there but i want to bring up this tweet from elizabeth she says in addition just viewing wildlife brings in far more revenue than killing these great animals the idea that hunting benefit africa is
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a mess perpetrated by men who want heads mounted on their own walls corey. yes so i want to go back to something that both of the gentlemen prior to me have mentioned that we can all absolutely imperative agree on and that is worldwide the single greatest threat to all our species is the loss of habitat that is that is something we should all agree on now a couple of things to just really offer counterpoint as far as amount of revenue generated from photo tourism to what to hunting i have very different statistics as well you know hunting generates an excess north of three hundred million dollars on an annual basis again and with where that takes place regarding photo or is i'm understanding the requirements of each they should rather compliment each other rather than compete for tourism photo tourism takes place in national parks in areas that are well developed with really high concentrations of game species easy access lots of infrastructure whereas hunting typically takes place in areas that are far more remote not easy to access let's just game population so i would offer
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that the two can compliment each other rather the compete with each other that is the last word in that a pause the discussion for now thanks again to charlie mayhew and cory mason for helping us break down this issue you know hold tight though is we're going to examine an idea that might be just as controversial as trophy hunting allowing some endangered species to go extinct well it is a strategy that some conservationists propose as an alternative to the notion that endangered species must be preserved at any cost so to paraphrase the english author george orwell are all endangered species worthy of being saved or are some species more worthy than others while on skype from london joining us is hugh possingham he's chief scientist for the nature conservancy the world's largest environmental n.g.o.s welcome to the stream hugh i pulled up on my laptop here a couple of headlines we've been seeing floating around this from the new york times magazine scroll down as to speed
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a full illustration to the headline should some species be allowed to die out this isn't the only one there's also this one from outside dot com it's time to let certain adam olds go extinct whew talk to us about this idea it's not popular but is it the right idea. well we're really doing it species are going extinct currently in a thousand times the right. species yet no one is just the tip of the tip of the tip of the. last two to mammal species just in the last ten years and nobody particularly noticed so our approach isn't about leading species go extinct is using much better to actually. explain one thing much clearer choices about what we choose to. be racially
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based just as if you racially and it's in the stock market more money and you mention using our money much better that is because we had a lot of people on line saying things like the amount that it costs just to protect sadat who we mentioned earlier that last male white rhino could have been used for other things well so this is because this situation with food and with most of this place is now it is a crisis so the big question we should ask ourselves is in line with that is what got us to this situation i mean we need to have the proper over there resources that we do and we need to ensure the london their population growth and the urbanization the extent to which. it does the extent to which we maintain healthy systems that can function on the hour we thought quieting for us to eventually take two artificial eyes if to invest around the clock twenty fourth if insecurity which
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is what we are faced with now saw the best way is let's put our money into. the woods for communities that have always lived with wildlife remember enough for it which is the main source country you know people have always been hunting and got that as they are taught in the culture as that. inherently associated with wildlife so they need in value out of life but now we're at a point where wildlife is being lost not even by the local communities largely by the by syndicates that are outside for selfish reasons so we need to get back to the basics let's put money into the best production systems to intensify produce more on a small space and in that we allow for connectivity and ecosystem function and i can see here nodding is that they're here i want to read this before i throw that to you jen actually on twitter says this interest in sit down the rhino is testament to his place in people's hearts we are an inherently biased species holding up one species over another so i've stopped questioning why the press cover
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sudan but not that last anonymous vietnamese job in rhino killed by a poacher in twenty ten that had no benefit of a fund raising campaign or the degree of protection that sudan enjoyed we are who we are she seems resigned to it there but why is it that we have focused on sudan the rhino vs the rhino she mentioned. well i hope the focus on sudan will bring attention to the thousands of other species that are in this terrible situation like the other three species of runoff. or when a perilous tight i mean just how mike's incredibly good points the bottom line is if humanity wants to take extinctions down to normal levels to backgrounds rights we would have to in these times the money we now in based on conservation we shouldn't have to do. is use only necessary. only necessary because
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our investments in conservation a tiny tiny compared to our investments in other important things and one wonders in two or three hundred years time when the species on the planet have gone. me thinking about investment scene defames i mean the defense industries a hundred times bigger than the conservation industry of a thousand what did we spend when money on things done in a future generations here i pulled up here from the species directory and everyone can see this in that the u.r.l. is there a world wildlife dot org and you do a scroll through and you see that there are several critically endangered species in the body it gets endangered and then it turns into vulnerable but there's a lot of species on here and maybe not a lot of attention given to them what other species should we be looking out for in your view you know that least represents about there are around about five thousand
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five hundred listed. that are endangered in some comment that ignores of course all the plants in the in six so i would urge people anyway when you're nice. that's probably going to go extinct sometime in the next ten or twenty years and its responsibilities to work on some of them can be saved fifty thousand dollars not one hundred million dollars there are species weaving tin can. the joy. that they were. about thirty seconds if there is that animal you think we're not paying enough attention to what would it be. world i mean think of the group of totally. taken for granted think of the giraffes even think of a lot of other bird species i mean it's all about the balance of nature so we are actually doing a lot of trophy collisions in our ecosystems and when we focus on the iconic was of
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course in that person or for the kind of umbrella species that cover the subspecies that are also intended. but you heard it there that we also heard from charlie mayhew and in this segment hugh possingham thank you so much the last word to benjamin on twitter who says we desperately need to train a new generation in wildlife conservation sudan's death must not be in vain we must save all endangered species this is our duty as custodians of the earth thank you so much for joining us for this conversation and of course you can continue to follow the discussion about endangered wildlife online but hash tag string.
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