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a decade is attempting a power grab zimbabweans are celebrating their first independence day without robert mugabe is the leader been in power since the end of white minority rule in one thousand nine hundred eighty a gobby was forced to step down last year after a military intervention and its vice president and mona gaga took over those are the headlines inside story is coming up in the. they moved to britain more than half a century ago but now some members of the so-called us generation are facing possible deportation but why with the government apologizing and promising an
investigation will that be enough this is inside story. hello and welcome to the program today with me cold the wind rush generation that's a reference to a ship the empire wind rush that carried the first wave of immigrants from the west indies to the u.k. in one nine hundred forty eight many arrived as children on their parents' passports and they've lived in the u.k. for more than seventy years paying taxes and insurance but they've never formally become british citizens now as the government tightens its immigration rules those without the proper documentation of being denied services and even facing deportation some according a cruel and inhumane treatment we have a lot to get to grips with here on the program today first this report from bobby
philips from london. he came to britain from barbados when he was nine years old more than fifty years ago his father had a job in the post office michael married in britain had children grandchildren worked in education thought he was british until the government told him he didn't have the right documents he lost his job as he fought for the right to stay here if i was the porter i don't know what i would to take someone under threat of i could have no no worse because that is what they do you know about work what you know what you could do for what you've done to help britain be in a better place than it was a rival of more than four hundred happy to jamaica the so-called generation named after a ship that carried the first arrivals from the caribbean in the one nine hundred forty eight invited to britain given citizenship it's many of the children who travelled with their parents who are now facing difficulties some of been caught
out by strict new laws specifying documents they need to prove how long they've been hearing this rau could not have blown up i don't more embarrassing time for the british government the very week in which your hosts the commonwealth summit in which it's busy emphasising its friendship with former colonies as it prepares to leave the e.u. . ministers told parliament they're trying to repair the damage with a special team to help the wind generation a promise to resolve their cases quickly free of charge although the government isn't sure whether some people have already been disappointed in aaron. can she tell the house how many have been detained as prisoners in their own country can she tell the house how many have been denied health under the national health service how many have denied pensions how many have lost their jobs this is a day of national shape mr speaker i shan't be able gentleman's admiration for the
people who came here from the caribbean and contributed so much to our society in many many different ways and that admiration remains in place i am concerned that the home office is becoming test become too concerned with policy and strategy and sometimes lose sight of the individual. who is in charge of the home office with these new stricter policies were being designed yes today's prime minister to resign so as the public outcry grows there's now a political as well as moral imperative to treat the when dressed generation fairly barnaby phillips al-jazeera london well the british prime minister is a man who we saw in bonn of his package there today apologized to several caribbean leaders over this when controversy the leaders are in london as we've been hearing for chalky the commonwealth heads of government meeting now here's a little taste of what mrs may said today. i think this is very seriously.
jerry apologized to the house of commons yesterday very hands on isn't. over. today. ok there we are here we go let's get the thoughts of our guests today here on inside story joining us from london is sally downie and c.e.o. of praxis now that's an organization that provides assistance to people affected by the wind rush controversy joining us from nottingham is clive foster a member of the nottingham citizens group welcome to you both clive can you just walk us through what your family's experience of this was well i'm also a pastor of a local church in nottingham and just this past sunday we spoke to our congregation with regards to what is happening that tension a people from the caribbean who have been in this country for over thirty forty fifty years potentially could be deported i'm sad to say that there was real outrage disbelief at this injustice i did have members off our congregation coming
up to me and all the ministers in the church were receiving people who were very concerned about this and it was obviously in the news and we have a situation where people who my own family my own father and mother they came from the jamaica they came and they came because they were invited they came and they my mother she worked in the n.h.s. and came and built the n.h.s. after world war two my father worked in the factories and to think that they came over and i'm i would born in this country but my other brothers came over a siblings and then having them working for so many years to know that their own. legitimate citizens attention we're being told that they could be deported it was very very concerning and very heartbreaking and i must say there are a number of people who are still very concerned about the their own situation there
has been this apology from tourism a the british prime minister formally the home secretary because the rules were tightened when she was at the home office back in twenty twelve three you and the people you've been talking to is an apology and a task force being set up to counter this is that enough i do welcome the primer this is apology i have to say obviously it did require pressure from ordinary people pressure from certain m.p.'s very disappointed that we weren't seeing so many m.p.'s actually coming out because as i mentioned in our own local church we've we've been battling with this for years and we've gone to our m.p.'s and then they have been put back because they say well the home office has said such and such and as a result they don't persist with it so it's something that we are very concerned about great that they've set up a task force great that we have an apology but these are people's lives who have
been affected they have lost their jobs lost their income that lost their dignity and i think we really need to be looking into that in terms of compensation and the respect that should be afforded to them sally deleon in london why we only finding out about this now because if you've got people who are in their forty's their fifty's i guess also their sixty's if this is presenting itself because they don't have the right paperwork why has it taken so long for that to happen. well i think that's an interesting question we've been working for people over the last three years or so now who've been having these difficulties. more and more people are emerging in these situations because different changes are coming in that the home office or the government has introduced for example that people are expected to provide documentation before they cannot access health care that there are new the landlord checks to make sure that people have got the right to i read to
property and these people came away in these sorts of techs went to a place they didn't have the kind of paperwork it's now being required in fact the government introduced a requirement to have these biometric residence permits and it's been incredibly difficult for people to get them and often because they don't have the original documents they arrived on what's what's happened in effect is that the world has changed around these residents and what's required now is totally different from what was required when they arrived and when they try and sort this mater with the home office it's really complicated the home office starts from a position of not believing so there's this coat of disbelief people are treated with a lack of respect that treated with to stay and they're required to provide evidence
that frankly in some cases doesn't exist or is just excessive so no less than one piece of official documentary evidence for every year that someone's been in the u.k. but preferably for pieces of documentary evidence so the task of trying to actually research and gather that information to prove to the home office that you have status. and i actually what's happening is that people have been falling individually into this great black hole so as a charity we've been supporting people who become straight homeless people who have been refused health care or who have been given health care and then given a very large bill and the fact that they can't pay the bill then goes on to their immigration record so people have had doors closed in their face trying to
sort it out is really difficult you need legal help and there's no legal aid for vailable so if people can't pay for a lawyer then they're really stuck klein even dr just just put that point sunnybank to play for a second if i could just interrupt you clive is that the story you're hearing that people have got to go back and the onus is on them to prove their britishness i mean to talk about age again if you're in your forty's or fifty's you know who has the paperwork going back to doing your eleven plus in the u.k. when you were eleven years old few of us have that anyway and that is what is most concerning about this is the burden of proof is on the individual to prove their britishness went well no they are not that they are legitimate british citizens and they had the right to remain and what is very concerning is that. we're finding that people there are now very concerned about their elderly relatives this goes
wider than what's being even reported in the media and i have to say as well that this is not just affecting i really want to make this point this is not just affecting people who are threatened with deportation because at the age of thirty forty fifty or whatever it's very senior people but what's what i'm very concerned about is the dynamic that is causing between the generations as well we have younger people now who hear see and they know that potentially their grandparents parents could be deported and it's creating an uneasiness is creating a breakdown in the trust as well so i think there is a wider implications with this yes we need to focus on the people who are going to be immediately affected but even as a church we're having to pick up the emotional damage that this is doing for people in this country younger families as well who were affected by it as well as people who are brought some of these people being threatened that they've never been back
to the country for years and they are british citizens they come they work that labored that paid into the taxes they pay their national insurance and then there's this indignity to say that you maybe threaten to be deported very concerned that the threshold level as our colleague has mentioned is the burden is back on them and more needs to be done with the government and i really want to see that that we can get some legitimacy in terms of the burden of proof is not with that and that this task force will be looking at this area and certainly also to pick up on that point the clients making their i mean people were handed a pamphlet saying try to be jamaican i mean that's like saying try to be martian try to be french try to be canadian because you're saying to british people oh just stick a pin in the globe and try and be that person from that country when you've never been there the whole thing is incredulous and. you know. the home office and the government can say that they weren't aware that this was going to happen
because many organizations have been warning for years that the introduction of this so-called hostile environment would lead to this situation that people are being requested to provide evidence that they have which never existed. i know there is an obligation on the government under human rights legislation and under qualities legislation that when it introduces a policy it should look at whether it's going to differentially affect a particular group of people and to then make arrangements to make sure that people are not disadvantaged. it's only this week that the government has been shamed into admitting that it has done something wrong and i think the prime minister has publicly apologized today for anxiety because well let's say this goes a lot further than via t.v.
this is about taking away people's homes about leaving people homeless and on the streets literally eating as have been in some cases and who've been unable to find any redress and i actually getting in touch with the home office to try and sort things out because we've heard a number of politicians and ministers say just get in touch with the home office it's almost impossible to get through on the telephone you can make a request to the home office to see your file and to know whether the home office has and fight recorded your leave to remain it will take. generally a minimum of six months to get any sort of response from the home office so meanwhile people are left in these really difficult situations so i think it's not just about this window. generation it's about some broader issues ok the way the home office works and the creation of the climate of fear and
a culture of disbelief ok picking up on that point of broader changes if you have ever examined if one has ever examined hosts a metric the metropolitan police force the london police force go into areas of race or racial tension i guess they're starting point for that would be what the brixton riots in one nine hundred eighty one we got the scarman report of the back of that but between one thousand nine hundred one going back the way they were two generations of the wind rush adults the wind rush children that heard arrived in a very different london a very different u.k. not least because of see the police force attitude towards immigrants in the u.k. because after world war two surely you heard the police force was run by old white senior guys who hadn't gone to war literally or young white junior guys who had gone to war but brought back certain attitudes with them so the attitudes do they
still have to change. a lot of work has to be done to ensure that there is equality there is justice and there is fairness particularly from black and asian people particularly from people who are commonwealth citizens who are citizens of this country i go back to my own mother and father were invited to come over to the country they labored legitimately they worked in the n.h.s. in the factories on the transport services and then finding now that they are threatened not them in particular but we are in a situation today that they are potentially threatened with deportation from the caribbean legitimate it's really really one helpful and i want to pick up on the point that our colleague made in terms of some of the anxieties we've had people who are i know that we've dealt with in our own church young people. who have been
sent to detention centers and people existing in this who were caught in this loop they have been threatened with some of them have been to detention centers such as the indignity of this in the way that they've been treated now you talk about the police and i want to frame it in an overall we have to look at the overall dignity and respect that should be afforded to communities particularly from i'm speaking now from the black community who have come over and labored and are entitled as citizens to be present and should be treated any differently from anybody else so early on the idea of let's just put that idea to sunny donny and sally on that idea of dignity and respect at nine hundred fifty three one hundred fifty five one hundred fifty seven consecutive british home secretary has commissioned big reports and they all kind of said the same thing which was this they said we cannot tell whether ethnic minorities in the u.k. are not integrating because they choose not to or because they're not being allowed
to so if if compassion within a migration policy is a prerequisite how do you codify that how do you make sure it actually happens. i think compassion humanity and respect have to be there in any policy that doesn't mean that you can't make decisions about a government as a government about who should or shouldn't be allowed to enter the country the problem we have now is that the system starts by assuming that everyone is out to abuse the system and there's be no flexibility no regard for individual circumstances there's been no humanity in it and this is being raised on numerous occasions and most recently i think by the law society of england who commented on the fact that fifty percent of homo face immigration appeals are held
and the many cases it's because the home office has acted unlawfully and is very very reluctant to actually have make the tits made mistakes people are forced through the court system and that is that if they can if they can afford legal support and legal representation so i think there are a lot of ideas and ways of doing it to it's about their issues about me. policy pro se it's training but at the bottom of the root of it all there is something about attitude. and the leadership hasn't been there in terms of saying we want to have a fair system instead the leadership has been sending out vehicles to go around the streets of of of london threatening that people will be deported we
currently have a detention system that is absolutely scandalous we can detain people in immigration sentences without limit for people who are detained they say it's worse than prison at least any prisoner anyone who has committed any crime knows how long they will be held in custody in the u.k. detention system there is no time limit there is no automatic judicial oversight and people are literally abandoned clive if we just fast forward for a second to where we are today so many cities and towns in the u.k. are multicultural they are multiethnic and everyone has the right paperwork i mean there were two hundred thirty languages in london two hundred forty nationalities but do you get the feeling that perhaps the west indian community back in the fifty's back in the sixty's behaved with
a sense of deference to the system to the police to the home office so they maybe didn't shout about this when their critics might say they should have well. they believed and had the full assurances that they were british citizens they came over here in that good faith worked in that good faith brought up their families in good faith were active and good citizens in good faith and would have expected so much more than what we're actually seeing played out today if this was to be told you you wouldn't you couldn't believe it i have to say that. what we are finding in our communities is that people are much more even more aware of the importance now often gaging in civil society and actually understanding that they have rights as well and with these rights like appealing to our local authority
appealing to our local councils appealing to our m.p.'s as i mentioned earlier in our own church we've had members who have been subject to these really kind of drove home office laws and as a result of that we've had to lobby m.p.'s events and lobby the authorities to get justice and i think what we are beginning to see now and unfortunately it's reached a situation that we have today whereby legitimate british citizens from the caribbean would be threatened with deportation that there is a more of a widespread now except it's a recognition that unless we come together and act and work together for justice we could very easily be slipping into a situation where injustice is being done to the black community that's why it's important that we have so many activities that are happening that promote equality fairness and justice and that's why it's important that you know the black
community continue to engage with the authorities to make sure that if they are facing these situations they are chalons and that something is done about it and i'm hoping that the task force will really levy a sum of their fears and apprehensions that. still exist ok around this issue last word to you sally in our last sixty seconds or so i noticed the number ten websites got a petition talking about an amnesty one hundred thirty five thousand people have signed that that means in theory there will be a debate in the house of commons do you get the feeling that putting that together with the apology from the prime minister she used to be the home secretary this is arguably her handiwork her responsibility that we might be heading towards a better implementation of immigration policy as opposed to the actual statutes that immigration policy operates within. i think it's really important that we use this as a turning point to look at the immigration system overall at the moment caribbean
residents are in the spotlight but other people are also suffering other people who are being denied treatment to which they're entitled or having their residence questioned and so i think what's really important now is the detail of what comes i think it's very easy for the government to talk about you know fairness in it setting up a task force let's look at the reality let's look at the system that's going to be proposed let's look at making sure that we enable individuals to have access to legal advice to support them through this system let's make sure that the government actually takes on the responsibility for helping people in this situation to have the right documentation and that it really does shift the burden of proof from the individual who has done no wrong ok let me talk about amnesties because people haven't done anything wrong ok we will have to leave it there thank
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