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tv   Behrouz Boochani  Al Jazeera  May 6, 2018 10:32pm-11:00pm +03

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the trust of its own people is also crucial for prime minister saddle haiti as you know historically speaking of the cities have been divided the key players the players divided over who has to have the biggest set said that how do you want to project himself as the voice of the sin the community a bomb blast in afghanistan has killed at least thirteen people the explosion happened at a most of the eastern province of cost police suspected the mosque in may have been targeted because it was being used as a voter registration center for october's parliamentary election pakistani police say the suspect behind the attempted assassination of the interior minister is affiliated to the ultra religious tariq a lib a party the twenty one year old man was arrested shortly after allegedly shooting in wounding a son about following a rally in print job problems. iran's president has warned the u.s. it will regret quitting the nuclear deal has the deadline moves for president trump
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to make a decision as a rouhani says iran has plans to respond they've trump pulls the u.s. from the pact ever been more evacuations in hawaii as molten lava from a volcano continues to threaten residential areas around two thousand people have now been forced to leave their homes to escape lava and poisonous gas well those are the top stories we're going to have more news for you in half an hour coming up next it's talk to al-jazeera like. only general. you mentioned war at all who've been looking. for more than four and
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a half years iranian refugee peru's been chauny has been living in limbo on a remote specific collins he was sent there by australia after he tried to reach its shores by boat for off. it is a prison it was a prison and even wards on a prison because of. the prison and in around the war nobody fourchon them to really see it as torture and yeah of course you know anything this is the mental torture. was a journalist in iran publishing stories promoting the kurdish language and culture off to colleagues were arrested and accused of undermining the iranian state who johnny fayed he'd be next he fled aiming for australia. tens of thousands of others have gone before him thanks smugglers to take them across the sea for in the knees yet of the australian territory of christmas island between two thousand and nine
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and twenty thirty more than fifty thousand people have made similar journeys most of them ultimately were allowed to settle as refugees in australia but in australia people were alarmed at the growing number of refugees coming by boat they watched horrified as some boat sank or were smashed against rocks on trying to land in the midst of an election campaign in july twenty thirty australia's government announced a radical policy. people who come by boat now have no prospect of being resettled in australia the rules have changed if you come here by boat you'll be sent to papa new guinea australia's government had done a deal with papua new guinea once it's colony but now an independent country in exchange for billions of dollars p.m.g. would accommodate refugees who try to reach australia until at the very least their claims to be refugees were decided combined with australia's navy turning back
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boats at sea the deportation policy was about to terence if settlement in australia was denied to anyone arriving as australia's government saw it illegally by boat who in future would try the chinese boat was see when the new policy was announced it arrived on christmas island four days later on the chinese thirtieth birthday four weeks later he was deported to mount a silent in papua new guinea he's been there ever since the nearly five years and it's from a man of silence that he talks to al-jazeera. for johnny thank you very much for talking to al-jazeera can we start with why you left iran back in twenty thirteen you know i fell in trouble with the government so. i hide myself or both more than amongst. you know friend. after that. i received some information.
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that's they are going through i just need to. have some plan some action so i decided to leave iran so. i. came forth. australia's government says its policy was and is necessary to deter what it's called illegal immigration it is question the motives of those arriving by boat asking why they didn't claim asylum in countries they travel through before getting on boats to australia it is suggested that those who come by boat are economic migrants rather than refugees genuinely fleeing persecution that their refusal to accept a permanent life in papua new guinea or on the tiny island nation of the rue shows that their real aim is and always was life in a wealthy developed country not just a safe one it says the refugees lawyer or exaggerate with stories of poor conditions in australian run the tension centers on malice and the root ultimately
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australia's government says tough policies against uncontrolled migration unnecessary to allow generosity towards refugees through a managed process the strong support record numbers of people coming through the migration program and humanitarian programs when governments have proper control of the process i don't want to give up their process and the right to decide who comes to our country to people smugglers so you left iran and you decided to go to australia yeah i actually want to do that journey you know i float in the news your i phone the smuggler he told me that i am going to send you straight why did you not stay in indonesia you were out of iran yet you were not going to be perceived by authorities there why not stay in indonesia at that point the first place you got to apply for asylum through the u.n.h.c.r. some of the refugees they were i rested by police in the new police and they
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deported them and they didn't ask them questions. just the artist had them and deported them because so many refugees learned that paying where in so the government wanted you know and deported them went back to iran yeah they send them back to iran so you decided it wasn't safe to be an intern then you're working on three air really was not safe for me and i decided to come to australia it took about how much to pay for that journey i bought five thousand dollars. on the first votes on the boat after. forty eight hours song and i found myself on the ocean. that was very scary and a swamp for a vote that there's the matter could be racial would that was on the ocean on the
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water after that. ship came there. fishman and they took me from the water. after that i was on the ship for about two days and they called the police and police came you know they put me in the jail i was in the jail for the night and after that i use cape and they went to jack carter. after two weeks i started to come to a straight again so that was a very big decision. because the journey on the ocean is very danuta sounds so many people today so i experience i want to experience that then yes some of the refugees they don't know that one year but i once experienced so second time when i started to come through the train it's meaning that i didn't
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feel. safe in indonesia and i thought that i must go to a strange one i must you know leave this country because it was not safe for me you landed on christmas island on the twenty third of july twenty third saying that was four days after australia's government changed their policy the rules have changed how did they tell you that news would be coming to us you know i didn't know that was strange i was on the ocean because i. i were both last week and we came to australia on sixteen july. was supposed to arrive to christmas island after two days what our votes get lost and we were lost for a week and when we arrived with cheney or was twenty three july exactly my best thing. when we arrived there they put us in
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a place like some crazy place and they didn't allow us to call our family we were there for about twenty day. after twenty days they. told us they just told us that you must go to. uni so for twenty days i thought that i arrived in australia as a. free country so i didn't know that after twenty days they say. we are going to examine your tall man sign on and you must leave there. or you will back to your country do you understand why australia's government felt they needed to introduce this tough policy. i can understand you know i have been thinking of these for more than forty years and they cannot understand why they are
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you know torturing people. they say australia's government more than fifty thousand people came just before you more boats were coming all the time as you say and you always the experienced more than a thousand people drowned at sea that had to stop and this policy has stopped that people no longer come by boat so while. every sympathy for you in your situation can you understand the need for the broader policy now i can understand because i think that sending people to the island like not on montana you know even prevalent about complex radio but it's a main reason then so yet the main reason was that they then backed the boat to indonesia so they slightly summit say and i push them away so the people in indonesia or the refugees in malaysia or in middle east or their countries they are
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not watching us that when we get freedom. they come to australia the main reason is that they then bank the boat you know they send back the boat down the people. they the refugees they think if we go to australia we will lose our money and we will you know have a very risky journey and maybe we arrive there. and they sent us back so the main reason is that the main reason is not them they send people to. a monastery on your understand why australia feels it needs to control its borders a former prime minister of australia famously said that we will decide who comes to our country and the manner in which they come that was john howard back in two thousand and one that is a very reasonable thing to say isn't it in order to be an open country in order to
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have high levels of immigration as australia does it needs to know that it is controlling its borders that's fair isn't it you know i am not in a position to make decision two or three in your home or give advice to them you know i am a refugee so i don't think about. this that was three years trying to protect its borders the main important thing is i myself and these people that we have been in this prison camp in this island for more than forty years for their first three years on madness the refugees were kept in what australia's government called a processing center half an hour away from the island's main town with high fences and god's refugees weren't allowed out no visitors in those inside considered it a prison in twenty sixteen happy new guinea's opposition leader took a case to the country supremes court arguing that the refugees detention was
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illegal under the constitution the court agreed and to comply with the ruling the government made the center an open facility refugees still lived there who could come and go freely in october twenty seventh seen the sense it was completely shut down guard medical and support staff left power and water supplies were disconnected but most refugees refused to leave the three weeks they lived in the former prison surviving on rain water and food. smuggled in by sympathetic locals. no money from them for. they are ready for the refugees the siege was a protest a chance to make a stand but in late november when you get in police a victim by force some refugees were hit with sticks and dragged on to buses. that was your home for forty years since and has to know it is very a strange feeling when i. was recently australia's government always said it was
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never a prison it was a regional processing center that was it to you for. it is a prison it was a prison you know their policy was to create hate you know they were happy that people in man with free zone helped australia to forget those ten years so the established this policy and they were running the prison camp late these are interesting thing i would like to say one. request and i asked them to give me and i'm after a strange young enough i want to put me in the war because of my work understand no . you cannot have with radium i can't go to australia because yeah that's the i don't want to go through you know just saying one four hundred they would like. they did them wrong me what was life like in the three weeks off with when you were
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refusing to leave really as a protest moment i think yes you know that was one of their own and you know i myself i experienced that. because i was born in war was and was a macro war zone but. in some ways we were happy. because we were out of. the systematic torture we were in the know there are officers who were not there. you know there were there was a little tommy you were in charge of your own lives and yeah yeah we were trying our of our life during the siege and the of action he tweeted in fact ever since being sent to mount a speech on his campaign relentlessly against the policy that sent him there and has kept him there he's kept up his journalism using mobile phone credit paid for by sympathetic australians he tweets prolifically he writes an online newspaper
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column in the guardian which in november one him an amnesty international media award but jani has even shot a film on his phone edited by a dutch director the resulting movie about life a man of silence has been shown at film festivals around the world he's now working on writing a play and a book he was very successful you have become prolific you have a column in the guardian newspaper your tweets are read by many thousands of people viewed a regular interviews in the australian and global media including many times on al-jazeera do you feel more a journalist or a refugee i don't think a more myself you know as a german news story refuting i feel that i am human i am human and them fighting for humanity i am fighting for these people you know the people that i feel they've suffering and they know them for a long time i know them you know i am living with the refugees and i hear their
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stories i know their stories so it is very important for me but on the first day i know that i understand i am thinking like this that it is my duty as a journalist it is my mission. it is my duty to work on this issue. it is my duty to tell through to people and. important thing is that i am working to record history of this policy record the history of this prison camp for history for the next generation the deals australia reached with papua new guinea and the room where the refugees would stay in those countries permanently after the stories of persecution were confirmed australia's government says if refugees were genuine they'd happily accept life in any country why not take the option on the table which is resettlement in pop when
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you get you know first is that we didn't come to peace and second is that. doesn't. get to protect their refugees and accept the refugees and the refugees. and they are sure that if they accept. they will lose everything and they won't have any clear future in peace but millions of papua new guinea and have clear futures they live here yes country is not at war why not stay here you're not going to be persecuted here in our. country. tribal culture we. poor economy and our store is not safe for the refugees so they're refugees cannot accept to live in our saw they are saying if you accept. after eighty years we will give
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you a passport so. how can we accept that some people may have families but people wanting this will think this is a man who was fleeing for his life yet if fled iran because his life was in danger your life is not in imminent danger here why not accept that and stay a lot of people. were attacked by the. people. why because you know the. people are very kind people but they cannot accept they cannot accept that the way they are living in a poor condition their government accept some people on try to protect them they cannot accept that. believe that the refugees cannot live in peace. you know some of the refugees.
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are really try to live in peace and where they couldn't so because of you know cultural reasons because our economy can reason it's because of you know so many reasons because it is not safe country for the refugees because their government cannot protect them they cannot start. you know simple life in peace and it is and that you know of that but you haven't tried have you you haven't tried you saying you could you say you couldn't tell you when you come when you get if you haven't tried it you know you're asking a question from me that. if you ask the. government. they i'm so you you know in my way. they are arguing that. they come apart some of the refugees and they are not saying that they we want to accept the refugees neither papua new guinea's prime minister nor is
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immigration minister responded to requests for an interview but another government minister speaking in a personal capacity did talk he says life in p. and g. is possible for refugees who try to make it work but if they won't it's not his country to force them but what they do want is resettlement in a country that they feel that they will have a proper chance of integrating into and i don't believe that's possible that's for a stranger to sort out that's that's a strange problem this train needs to resolve that quickly it's not a pup a new problem a stray is created an issue to solve do you want them not really we really don't need them simple or man aside into most locals think it's time the refugees moved on which you know is for an obvious almost five years. i would have thought that they should've won by now. so that's that's that's my view i question is
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did the maid hang loose you know if they make freeform the suicide bombing and so like that it's what they had in the street they may do something west like we used to hear t.v. and radio suicide bombing was able so that they considered terrorists. much attention in. the issue of were there but that's what is being on the street. and then make this ng be careful just be careful. australia has done deals with other countries to take refugees during his final days in office president obama agreed to settle as many as twelve hundred fifty of australia's refugees in the united states president trump has called that a dumb deal but has said reluctantly. but an offer from new zealand to resettle others has been rejected by australia's government which says as new zealanders
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have the right to settle in australia refugees would use new zealand as a back door into australia going back to the broader policy australia's government says rightly that there are millions of refugees around the world needing resettlement a year when the other men here any more deserving than any of them of resettlement in a rich country like australia what makes you any more deserving than someone stuck in a refugee camp in lebanon for example i know nothing to them. crisis in the war but when we arrive two or three or was not know us when we arrived to australia there was no i.c.'s when we arrived to australia. there were still many millions of earth is not even that you know it's not mean that. it was through no government has this right to porch or ours is the way you see it as tojo's people a very strong word you feel tortured yeah it is a port sure you know we have been on the torture scene they are torturing us you
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know we have been on the porch we have been under a systematic torture you've been fed you've been housed nugget how is that you know six people already know right. six people are leaving this polythene this prison camp six people six young people one of them killed by the. staff four of them they because of many call neck legs at least to kill themselves you how that was. tortured them for a long time. after that they left them in there without protection. we put protection and they and i was so. suspicious way. still we don't know that they killed them or they kill they they.
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they those guys you know they were with psychological for a long time and his phone call with the american president australia's prime minister malcolm turnbull described most of the refugees here as economic migrants you obviously now know them all quite well is he right are you and some of the others economic migrants rather than genuinely genuinely fleeing persecution you know. that was stolen government and in the process people. you know by international and. more than ninety per cent asked the people. the cognized as a refugee. but you got money all of you paid five thousand dollars to get on a boat to christmas all in. a few do not mean that morris to the pole though you are some desperate yeah. you know. the poor
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what are your hopes for your future you know i hope. no. more strain you are fighting for you'll stop working. among. make solutions real solutions. let us go. thank you very much thank you for talking to others see.
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