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on al-jazeera. ok you win this jean we are live on al-jazeera and on you tube today a contentious prime to give police in southern germany sweeping new powers is being met with resistance. this is a story that community member tevin carr have suggested we look into opponents of the measures to pass into law in bavaria see that civil liberties will be threatened and that already marginalized communities will bear the brunt of overzealous policing we will examine the bill and look at how people are challenging it. the bavarian police task act is being promoted by the christian social union it holds a majority in the state parliament and is a sister party to the christian democratic union led by german chancellor kohl paul
brennan is in germany and has more on what the very employees will be able to do if the bill becomes law. both critics and advocates accept that this is the most far reaching police reform here in germany since the end of the second world war in one thousand nine hundred forty five the measures included in the proposals include the police power to be able to open letters to conduct surveillance also to monitor telephones and to use the d.n.a. database in a way that they can't at the moment and that is to use fair no typing looking at the use of d.n.a. to predict i color even skin color and that is something that's causing real concern for privacy campaigners among those people saying that this is a step too far the greens who say that the opposition that they've done a survey of shows sixty percent of germans are extremely unhappy about this but
those who are for the plan say that it's absolutely essential that the police state up to speed with the technological advances that is the disposal that said that it will be a tough battle in various c.s.u. the center right has a majority it's likely to be passed in the parliament in the middle of may but opposition will take it most likely to the constitutional court in the hope of getting it overturned. protesters against the police have organized under the haass tag no p a g the german acronym for the divisive bill and alliance made of dozens of different groups including privacy rights advocates and football fan organizations urging people to make their voices heard activists are calling on people to turn out in the state capital munich on thursday and organizers expect thousands of people to attend the rally many demonstrators say they will remain steadfast against the bill and will not give the christian social union an easy opportunity to profit and they're already making noise on the streets of new.
joining us today from munich to discuss the bill. he is a spokesperson at the very a refugee council which has raised concerns about how border police powers may impact refugees. we have you know kind of hofmann he is head of project munich about say youth welfare institution aimed at fostering a positive fan culture within football the fan project has been part of protests against a draft police law from the city have held and we have seven hooper he is deputy chairman of the german union federal police and from the city of london we have question. he is a student at freedom university and also part of a group of students who have filed a suit against the existing police law in bavaria hello everybody hello gentlemen good to have you here christian i'm trying to think what happened in bavaria the
sweeping police power as necessary what is it like today. well you might think that we are under a heavy terrorist attacks. does it matter that police get more powers now but as a matter of fact that's not the case here from where i'm sitting i feel pretty safe and i don't think we actually need these powers. when you heard about this new addition to the laws to help police have more palace what was your first thoughts. well actually kind of the same what christopher was saying i'm just. getting very what politics is coming up next but i want to control everything and. the kind of loan rates are very low everything you save the stadiums everything is
safe so you further than it was ever so i don't really understand why the politics want to implement the law you know when you're you're not the only one so you say that everything is safe i want to put this headline here that members of the leading political party in bavaria the c.s.u. is meant to say that the new police law would address public safety concerns here is what one person tweeted back to that he says safety concerns one of the safest places in the world where the lowest crime rate in the last thirty years no they just want to keep power with democratic methods spend i wonder what your thoughts on that are why do you think this is being introduced now.
too. we are not growing. up because. we don't need you our. wants to do. i'm going to show our audience a little breakdown of what the various police task at is proposing should be interviewed or so this is what it looks like it will our support of a lot of e-mail who was and male concrete danger definition is lower to imminent danger and we knew about preventative detention periods of thirty days that means that you could be into tension for thirty days and then another thirty days and another thirty days stefan. i'm just thinking about this potential
law and perhaps the politics behind it would be the right direction to try to work out how is this happening now to bavaria which is one of the safest places in germany. to see as a refugee rights organization that. has a repartee as human rights groups who are supporting refugee targeted by conservative politicians from the sea yet she was the leading party young government. giving party and barea. being criminals. being to the law and so on and if you have you. tossed. the new opportunities off the police to a survey refugees all tapped refugee organizations and human rights groups assisting refugees all to put people into prison for thirty days on mall without
without that we know people detained without. we are not knowing who is representing the people as a lawyer and without having any contact which is already happening now. and this is a threatening perspective if that the very employees even if you get small policy. opportunities for civilians. suppressing this is not a critique against the police but in my view the police might be an instrument of these conservative politicians. trying to get them all votes on the right side. so that the in the end we have. strength and criminalization of. people who are trying to defend human rights for refugees.
so i hear what you're saying there i want to bring in a perspective one more person this is sebastian and you know earlier from you brought up what was in this proposed law in this proposed bill this is sebastian's view of those proposals have a listen to this law is. like a science fiction dystopia it's like mind police if you have a if you think about crime then basically the government should step in and stop you doing it basically if you say i think you're building a bomb then the police will just take you away and put you into jail that's basically the status of course some checks and balances on it but it's all really really undefined. you get all sorts of people protesting. so christopher i would say to our audience of course sebastian didn't want his face shown because he is afraid about the implications of this bill that's how much he fears that but he talks about it just being overall vague i know that you had
a group of students actually poor through the wording on this see you hopefully know best is he right to have fear. well i hope he's not right to have few to show his face because he's protesting against a police law in a country that has the rule of law over it and where the constitutional rights are protected very much but he has a point when it comes to the confusing the new terms because i wanted to jump in earlier but i wanted stephan to stop talking and continue afterwards because you translated the new type of danger as imminent danger i think everybody does that and if you type it into translation program that's what comes out but i think it sends the wrong message because this new type of danger that was that is already in place that is already in the act of two thousand and seventeen
is more screaming and impending danger and it's very hard to explain so maybe i can give you an example of how to. how to look at this new turn so before the new act in two thousand and seventeen we have the certain danger ok so the certain danger was. when you had a situation where a man was smoking at a gas station. filling up his tank and it's very likely that in that very close future the cigarette will light up the gasoline and the whole gas station blows up so that's a certain danger on the other hand now with the impending danger is my understanding that this is situation would be we have a man at a gas station filling up his tank he isn't smoking yet but we know he's
a part of the fact of the constraints of law has a partner lewisohn's authority of securing data a third tier of using game for the injured fans commitment of thrones and body camps because a tier of pre emptive of an occasion of past so if so then see as you describe this as a tool kit for the police what are you most concerned about in this talk it. i think you need to. work on my union means we don't need it. there may be some. reason. but with the. mostly mostly. i mean we can.
no there were but and there are six or. so where we shot that. can i trust she she said that they need to implement it because of the new. data privacy rules for europe that are coming going like mike and twenty fifth of march that's plain b.s. to say it like that it's just it's just a cover up because they didn't say the beginning they're only saying it right now because of the protests and the attention there's a lot of attention going to the law changes and. i mean they like i want to agree with the man and that there is nothing to repair germany right now on the day the public. report for the criminal statistics for
the whole republic of germany out and we have the lowest criminal rates for twenty five years so there's no real need for police to need for more tools. so there is concern on lines the fine about particular communities and what this will mean for them or they'll hear on twitter says i think that refugees will be the ones who are mostly a fact that a lot of people are afraid of terrorism and criminality which is allegedly emanating from these groups but also people who are consuming drugs but the area is quite conservative and doesn't like any kind of drug consumer and wants to get rid of them so if i can you talk to us about some of the concerns it from the communities that this person mentions. you know doesn't think that druck consumerists is a problem with refugees so what p c what is a problem is that many refugees. are subjected to
a labor bans they are not allowed to do occasional training so to have. useful. they be called something some sort of occupation so that sitting around and the fact that daily lives. sometimes might bring people also to get an illegal job to stop dealing to stop the consumption of alcohol the trucks and so what we say is that we need all liberal stance against refugees that they are allowed to work that they have some sort of some sense of doing useful because a life and and not imposing more and more threats on them and more surveillance so that. they haven't seen as
criminal and as a person. in general we have a debate about refugees at the moment which is not talking about protection and the need for all protective status but which is talking about deportation and people who are coming us can fall asylum who are not asylum claim us who are not in need for protection this is the tendency and what we see is that all the conservative talk about refugees what open a doctor to more surveillance and more in the end more criminalization of refugees and said also offering them ways for integration yes and what i found fascinating about it. the concerns about this act is that it's united so much of civil society it's very rare for us to have i don't think i've ever done this on this we had somebody from a refugee council and somebody from
a football association who's looking after fans and fans welfare on the same show talking about the same issue let me just show you this audience here this is a developer football fans in germany protest against various new police law so football fans why are they concerned. well you know football means diversity it actually means the words on and off the field and of course the supporter seen. specially of the subculture of the ultras who are going to sing or are involved in the protests and are showing the banners in the stadiums they are not always acting like the short they are who are they can be ras they can be violent but they have also a lot of positives in the rectory. and they're just afraid that repression from the state or they are already in the focus of the police and now
with the new powers of the police the pressure on the soft called on. is getting even higher and higher so that could mean if you if you talk about just hope you're like sebastian did earlier in his statement then. you could be afraid that if you're not acting like you should like the society wants you are like the politics wants you to be the maybe mark. so-called imminent danger and then you get yourself into danger so that could be that we all acting equal all acting normal we don't fall off the norm of society and that's why football fans are also organizing protests and i'll add another group or perhaps unlikely for some of our audience members so you have referees refugee rights groups football rights groups and this has environmentalists so for more than sixty
five organizations from opposition parties to labor unions and environmentalists have signed a call for a big protest march in munich this week that's on thursday may tenth thousands are expected to come we actually heard from one of the organizers of this march one of the people behind the no p a g movement and she sent us a video comment and have a listen to what laura had to say. we're an alliance of over eighty n.g.o.s and parties from all over germany amongst us are such diverse groups as those struggling for the rights of refugees those working hard data security environment our innovations and many more but we're all united in the believe that this new wander the area threatens our rights as citizens as well as humans that's why we're taking to the streets we expect several thousand processors and we will demonstrate peacefully and colorfully but we will also send a clear message to the very government that we will not let our rights be taken away from us this demonstration is a very very important first step but it is also only
a first step there are several alliance members that are already now seeking legal actions against this new law in the making so christopher from people on the streets to your own legal challenge against this what do you think comes next how effective do you think these measures will be. where you see. and where do you see these protesters and their demands where do you see that going. well first of all i'm very happy to see that finally people are getting on the street concerned about these new changes because when the act of two thousand and seventeen was passed really nobody. was interested in it and wasn't really in the media and i'm kind of glad that the varian politicians want to go further even further now and make new laws and broader problem the power of the
police so now we have the intention and that's very important because one aspect is that you can file a lawsuit against a. an act that you think is unconstitutional but i think it's even more important that people show in a democracy that. they have a political view with that they really want to get across and that they feel free. to demonstrate against because when we look at the new powers that the video surveillance of demonstrations and automatic face recognition and i don't know right now i feel i feel safe and free to go to a demonstration. with the knowledge that somebody is videotaping me and that a machine is there recognizing my face and looking through my life history
if there's anything wrong with me i think twice if i really want to go to that demonstration and that is a very great violation of our freedom of assembly and i want to bring this conversation back to the place and just curious about the police officers that you represent. do any of them feel that it's a good i gave us a good move forward for the very end. oh excuse me some of my connection was not so i'm selling in europe and when we look at this bill maybe or become a law it's the place you then have to put that into practice how comfortable are they feeling with where we are right now with this conversation and the protests well what do they feel that they want to do so i'm not sure. that.
the other unit of the police have a very big problem because they only one country very well make this new step in this direction so what we're all about that. but. not all. of it will be the big political problem for the next year we have thirty. four want to limit the regime or police ok interim an even. better in law. and not good versus thank you so much for stefan and your kind and christopher and your online community and watching on t.v. thanks for being part of the string today let's see you on like take care.
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