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this singapore summit is in the books but what exactly did u.s. president donald trump and north korean leader can john. to achieve i'm femi oke a family could be alive today we look at what their highly anticipated meeting means for diplomacy as well as what it means for koreans living on the peninsula and the day after birth right now you're in the stream also live and you choose to leave your questions in the chat and we will do our best to get them into today's show. and you are on the street. president donald trump on north korean leader kim jong un haven't always had the best relationship trump has previously referred to came as a little mad and came in turn us cold trump a doto who's unfit to serve in the white house but that tension seemingly vanished
when the two controversial heads of state met in singapore on tuesday trump the first sitting u.s. president to meet with north korean leaders said the meeting was fantastic and made a lot of progress and while the joint statement signed by both men notes their intent to build a quote lasting and stable peace for jean some activists questioned whether the issue of human rights abuses in the so-called hermit kingdom are high enough on the agenda. joining us now to talk about what's been a whirlwind day of diplomacy in singapore came is al jazeera as a white house correspondent you and i sat we have christian on the found. and of the women cross the d.m.z. or demilitarized zone that organization represents a movement of women mobilizing to end the korean war any york park is a human rights activist and author she fled north korea at the age of thirteen and in mongolia jenny town is managing editor for thirty eight north that's an online
news portal covering the korean peninsula hello everybody it's good to have you here young me when you were watching the images coming out of this singapore summit some day he was born in north korea who xscape from north korea what were you thinking. i was so sorry. i. was not you know as. we know he's a murderer he he denies that there's a human rights violation or not that. yes accuse on the boys knew how and how this man who people in the concentration camp in the name of the. man is a lunatic and she is not a little. later and that's why it just i don't know what the word and leaving
me and what i mean for. me saying we really just in. no way. christmas politicians say oh it was not nice who she is they don't even know it really means they don't even know let injustices looks like and why only one was watersheds. i don't know how she didn't think of this now how can the next. three months you know just what kind of. leasing and how to make a fence. so to make said so yummy christine i was looking at your twitter feed and . share this with the world i just woke up to this i'm awake all dreaming. impact that thought for us but we think you just think it was surreal to see. a statement that was agreed by both trump and kim i mean this
is a sixty seven year conflict this is a seven decades war that was a brutal war that preceded by division and colonial occupation by japan so this is a real long history. of the two countries being at war being adversaries you know real. a hostile relationship and you have i mean the image of them shaking hands to see the flags of the u.s. and the d.p. r. k. side by side i mean you know somebody that has been working for this peace process this is it's an extraordinary feat and i'm glad that you mention the flags you weren't the only one who found that a real this is twitter who says just so their photo op and although i'm not american it's so jarring to me to see the north korean flag alongside the u.s. symbolic mostly but jarring i want to just flip through a couple of other comments on how surreal this was to other people in these off to
you with me on twitter says the first time i heard cam's voice i believe this was a historic talk a brilliant move for the world for world peace and he's really just noting you don't actually hear the north korean leader leader in western media another person watching live on you tube sighs after finding out that no other american president has ever met with a north korean leader troubles doing pretty well i think so kimberly talk to us about the the feeling of this being so surreal to so many people. well certainly it was surreal even last evening about twenty four hours ago here in singapore when there was a bit of a fascination with kim jong un is his motorcade first arrived in singapore and then when he really are urged from his hotel to go around the city seeing some of the sights even snapping a selfie with a local government official high profile government official many people were
having that same feeling given the fact that this is a relatively reclusive leader rarely see him unless it is in some sort of state controlled typesetting highly choreographed but in many ways this whole moment today was highly choreographed by the u.s. president so there is sort of a mixed reaction to what is being seen kim jong un himself probably said it best when the white house press corps was in following them at the capella hotel it tows island just about five kilometers from where i'm standing right now he likened it to something from a science fiction film and certainly i think that many are feeling that given the fact that the optics of these two men side by side is so unbelievable it's hard to believe it's really happening i want to share a moment that really stood out to me i was intrigued to see what would happen in the press conference a little bit later off to the summit this is president donald trump talking to
a waiting press and i was really curious what the question be have a listen to the first question and he's. the man you met today. as you know has killed family members has starved his own people is responsible for the death of. why are you so comfortable calling him very talented. well he is very talented anybody that takes over a situation like he did at twenty six years of age and is able to run it and run it tough i don't see it was nice or i don't say anything about it he ran it very few people at that age you can take one out of ten thousand probably couldn't do. it to that moment stood out for me it always sounded like admiration for the leader of north korea it's an unusual take from the u.s. that stood out for me what stood out. well i tend to agree with that
i think the whole thing was very surreal it was. in some way that you know that there are people who are so fascinated with to the point that you know there was knobs of people trying to get pictures of him you know there's the whole southeast thing the whole comments about him later there was no protests about him it did feel. felt weird. and it felt weird because this isn't the way that we're supposed to react to dictators this isn't the way that we've never looked at north korea before and i understand on some level that there is a reason to move the conversation forward and to build this relationship because he is the leader of north korea and if we are going to get anywhere in a non-confrontational non-conflict way you know we do need to have that
relationship but the way that it was handled was so overboard and it really changed. the perception and the optics were way more overboard than they ever needed to be and it was it was really just a weird day so let's be honest here i mean north korea is a brutal dictatorship and what is the goal of being engaged in this process i think that we know that north korea has been a national security surveillance scarce and state and so if we try to get to the end of this conflict that has been used by both actually governments on both sides of the d.m.z. to crack down on their people i think that we have to look at it from a more holistic let's widen the frame and try to get to the end of of war so that there can be improvements on human rights and that and i mean the leader of the you know the head of the world food program came out of north korea just
a few weeks ago and he said if there is a peace agreement that would lead to substantial improvements in the day to day conditions of the north korean people so i don't think we have a problem in the united states this government whether it has been trump or obama never has a problem with dictatorships whether it's in saudi arabia or the kind of brutal regime that's an israel so you know let's just let's temper it with the reality of what you know is always in the government's interests. that's an interesting point i want to pick up here on twitter with something that goes off of the back of what you're saying this is g. he says i think this is an opportunity to open dialogue concerning human rights in north korea the u.s. other countries and organizations like the wind should take this chance and start discussing ways they can tackle human rights violations that have been happening in north korea so not exactly listening to what you're saying there but thinking that human rights and to be higher on the agenda on the other side though this is sean who plays
a little bit of caution he says don't forget no one saw the kim trump summit happening eight months ago so as denuclearization takes time so also human rights violations talks should be cautiously introduced with a little patience young me i wonder what you think about. so. and you know. how human like comes to news when you stanley that the lives of people whose persecuted by and i point cannot wait right now i'm still to come to china because they are starving north korea the kingdom has money people and christians and people are now starving in our sleep because we don't have it because this matter i have a shuttle to or to contradict people if you don't have money to make me cyrus why you can ask and then money on the people. so logic you mustn't use to cater so.
that's why. they're so last past fifty seven years because you have our politicians whose interest i mean just keeping the status quo in this process. so a lot i don't even know how to win you just saying as long as you're i ring to talk about. you nicholas and country i am going to accept hi you are evening and all your rest already the country and that is a crime you don't use who committed the crimes against humanity and he needs a challenge and that the first think that if he really north korea has shown genuine interest that i am has a mission not gotten to north korea our agenda should be asking you are you interesting up in the go arcs are you interesting that the investigation girl and then see how. the people they've been cheated by you will be jim but that's now
you're asking you are asking only the news so if the news in their state or the u.s. power and the park east has just tramcars is so chill can now become our president for ever so let's imagine he get out of this mess i'm six years later was it a heart what i or do so in north korea as enemy are going to get a new craze in the uk and if you ask graduates that by the way and was the trump is out we get another start of the mission comes in as they are we are not going to challenge you so we are going back to the peace summit again so this is exactly what happened in two thousand and two thousand when i was seven years old in our school i thought literally south korea south korea not going to be really patient right think the guy who are pissed off by the way who during which the spectator oh no not a peace prize winner one another press fries and we are here today again talk about
the peace this is a lie the partitions wants us to believe and. go and how are you i was so innocent and how i was so delusional and believing this lie and is going to burst on you or the people of north korea and go. you go we've got the news. you need to take. i want to bring kimberly and increase our go right back to you i'm just looking at what secretary pompei o shared quite recently on twitter he is the secretary of state for the united states he says among the issues that the president the united states and the team discussed with north korea human rights religious freedom japanese t.v. you can hear from you me how important that is but where in the agenda was it and how do we even know that that actually happened and took place. well i listened to the entire hour long press conference so this question came out
multiple times not just the first question but it was picked up and drilled down to a finer point by a couple of reporters at least it certainly was part of the discussion donald trump was asked about the tens of thousands would be more than hundreds of thousands of people that are in these school logs and what this means whether or not this photo opportunity is sort of legitimize all of that donald trump said that very clearly that in his four hour discussion with the north korean leader that the issue of human rights did come up and he did say without getting into details which is typical donald trump that they're working on it that this was part of the discussion and he believes that things will start to improve and move forward he didn't elaborate beyond that but when it comes to the issue of human rights when you look at it from an emotional standpoint it's very hard to defend what happened today and the fact that there are still people locked up but when you look at it from an intellectual standpoint i remember the very same criticisms being leveled
against president obama when there was the decision to normalize diplomatic relations with the cuban government after the accusations against fidel castro and the castro brothers and roll castro and the argument was and there were the critics again saying that you know you've legitimized this you have brushed this or swept this under the rug there are still people that are not being allowed freedoms that are being denied basic human rights and all of that and the argument was but we are very similarly at a point of impasse after decades decades have not worked out we've had certainly agreements before where both sides have broken down but that doesn't mean you stop trying not only to achieve the goal of denuclearization is the intellectual argument the argument of the trumpet ministration but also because of the issue of human rights but if you don't have a starting point you can't accomplish any of those schools absolutely great and i.
oh yes sure johnnie go for it. yeah i mean i would agree with this that the question isn't you know should we be talking about human rights the question is how do we get to that discussion and you know part of that is to actually have the dialogue and to actually you know have the relationship to be able to bring it up in a productive way you know the europeans have had human rights dialogues with north korea for a very long time because they have a relationship that they've established so that they can address these issues and like any negotiation the problem is you don't start with the hardest issues first you know you start with the issues that you can make progress on you build progress over time and you work towards the bigger issues as you go along and realistically you know right now the security focuses on the nuclear weapons program but certainly as part of the normalization of relations process human rights will come up and it has to be part of the dialogue as we move towards normalization but if we
start the conversation by saying you must open the right now before we can even talk again it's a nonstarter and we're not going to get anywhere and. i absolutely agree i just want to second what jenny said and you know the fourth point that was made in the declaration was about the u.s. servicemen remains and the retrieval of that and you know i mean there are millions of families that are held hostage by this on results day to four five thousand u.s. families that are waiting i mean my friend rick downs told me the story about how he flew into pyongyang and as he like flew over the fields i mean he said that was the closest he had been to his father since he was three years old and so that's just the american families and the children of u.s. servicemen that fought in the korean war but what about the millions of korean families you know we have seen studies of defectors in south korea who want to reunification of korea so that they could be with their families i have friends here in the u.s. that are defectors that that see this as an important step towards them possibly
ever returning back to their hometown. so you know and to the point that kimberly brought about cuba i think there's a great parallel here stephen kinzer who is the new york times reporter the former and who's written books about us regime change and he talks about this story about when fidel castro and che guevara met for the first time in mexico city after the overthrow of arbenz for quite a moment democratically elected president in one nine hundred fifty four and and they met for the first time and he told. told fidel what happened and they made that agreement and they said if we succeed in taking cuba we cannot have an open society because of the threat of being overthrown by the u.s. i mean we know there is a history of covert and overt operations and so you know we have to understand i think to push for a greater freedom and openness with within north korea but we have to start with
dialogue and i believe normalization of relations and we have seen progress made on disability rights through respectful engagement with the north korean government you know christine the point you made about still being at war the war having not in did a show that we did recently hear on the stream on twitter brings that up he says korea has been a divided nation for the last seven years and south korea is under x. the threat from nuclear north korea most south koreans hope this summit will be successful in denuclearization of north korea and bring peace to the korean peninsula so it's that idea of denuclearization being something that some koreans want to be at the top of the agenda that's represented here in this video comment that we also got from well son she's director of the korean public service and transportation workers union and this is what she had to say i think it's important to recognize that there are some limitations in cuba it's not very specific on what steps to sense of unity to achieve. denuclearization of the peninsula but more
broadly a peace regime and so it's beholden people workers and the common people of south korea and globally to put forth a vision of what peace really looks like for us that means means obviously the signing of a peace treaty given me means getting rid of not only north korea's nuclear weapons but also the nuclear threat from the united states we hope that that she being denuclearization of the korean peninsula might be the first step towards real nuclear disarmament globally. and then what do you make of what's inside. well i think you know there's some important points in there and the first is that you know it's not just about the threat that north korea's nuclear weapons pose to south korea to the united states into the world but you know that north korea itself is under an axis existential threat and there's a reason why they have built a nuclear arsenal over time and it's not just kristi's but there is
a self defense deterrent component to it as well you know the you know north korea . during the korean war there was talk about using nuclear weapons against north korea to end the war there have been you know the introduction of tactical nuclear weapons to korea after the war even though they haven't taken out since then but there's still always you know south korea's under the protection of the u.s. nuclear umbrella as is japan and if you're north korea you're sitting in the middle of a new killer neighborhood of economic and political giants with and you're the only country that technically does not have you know nuclear weapons either your own program or by proxy state and so you know there is a reason why the peace matters and there's a reason why you know north korea's always sort of posed the process we have to have peace first before we can really achieve denuclearization because they need
that sort of justification to be able to change the narrative and to be able to have some confidence in sort of how they move forward. without nuclear weapons if they decide to exit the program there was a presentation that trauma to camera and it was on an i pad it was a little video and it was shanked what the possibilities what the potential might be one of them could be just think about what you could do if you will be changed this is a comment the president made in the press conference shortly after it happened. but that was a version of what could happen what could take place as an example they have great beaches you see that whenever they're exploding their cannons into the ocean so i said look at that we have what would not make a great condo b.o.i. and i explained it said you know instead of doing that you could have the best hotels in the world right think of it from a realistic perspective you have south korea you have china and they own the land
in the middle how bad is that right it's great but i told them i said you may not want to do what's there you may want to do a smaller version of it or you know and they could be although i tell you what he he looked at that tape he looked at that i pad and i'm telling you they they they really enjoyed it i believe. that is one vision of the many coming here is a warning from. how can north korea be certain that the u.s. will keep their part of the bargain something that we will ponder for another shall i thanks to all of our guests today that's all the time we have be sure to follow along at al-jazeera dot com for updates on the singapore summit and of course. all of that at.
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hello i'm maryam namazie and london here's a quick look at the top stories u.s. president donald trump and north korean leader kim jong un have signed an agreement pledging to denuclearize the korean peninsula but it's a deal that is short on detail as adrian brown reports from singapore. no one was sure quite what to expect from the summit this is very talented. if this goes through there is just the good news they seem to get on but as expected u.s. president donald trump and the north korean leader kim jong il signed a deal vague on the.