tv Inside Story 2018 Ep 178 Al Jazeera June 27, 2018 8:32pm-9:01pm +03
what we need are principles that can last for potentially decades about privacy and security that are independent of the specific technology because technology will change very quickly but general principles can can last for a long time as per global regulations well the good news is that the g.d.p. are even though it only affects europe actually it having an impact of global a because some of these companies at least are trying to apply g.d.p. are on an international level because it's actually easier for them to have one set of rules for the entire population and to have to break it down country by country and the famous true for example with the children's on line privacy protection act in the united states it doesn't affect directly any other country but most of the internet service providers have complied complied with it globally so i think that we're all benefiting through g.d.p. are but having said that i know there will continue to be discussions in washington about way the u.s. can tighten our privacy laws that's inevitable i think mark zuckerberg realizes
that his goal i think is to try to make it so it it doesn't hurt his business but they all know it's coming and i think europe set the pace for the entire world in a sense it may sound like a slightly idiotic question but is there anything that one can do to make oneself safe for him when the scandal broke one point eight million australians deleted their accounts but off the back of that we discovered that sixty six percent of facebook users don't know how to set their previously settings and if you look at the facebook screen even if you want to log off your accounts eva's noting she's able to go through the same process if you want to logo for your account you have to go to that small triangle top right hand side and if your on your i pad or your i phone it's difficult to see maybe sleeve yourself loek in even more on the end of the day. innocent wants you to be logged in for as long as possible because facebook is a multi-billion dollar company and he wants to monetize you a use as
a resource. sure i mean so just to the last point about well as being the product that is certainly the case today and with legislation such as g.d.p. or and other things that that proposition is sort of drying up a little traces of it presumably in the near future we're going to start seeing new business models for new internet companies or even for old internet companies to be mint themselves such that we are not the product but rather the service they're offering is the product as it should be but a going back again to what you're saying yes it is extremely difficult today for even well informed users so one of the things that i've been trying to do since g.d.p. is every new web say that i was it i make sure to see what their policies and what kind of cookies are they starting on me and so forth this is information that i could have figured out before but was not so easy to figure out before and now
a new sort of a pop up comes up for me that says are you ok that i'm collecting such and such cookies and i go through and figure out what the cookies are and it is a tedious process it's actually affecting my work because i'm no longer able to browse in the same way same seamless way that i used to before so even with things like consent that doesn't necessarily go far enough in preserving the same kind of browsing experience that we used before and again so this is this is because of the advertising based business model that we have and it's also because with social platforms it becomes even more difficult to think about what does privacy mean so if i gave access to the world to see a photograph of me and my friends would my friends who happened to be in the picture be ok with that how do they prevent that from happening if they're not ok
with that this are difficult thorny questions. and somehow that career than have to figure out ways that around this and we are they are going forward but are not quick enough ok even carly in brussels i mean still surely is the case facebook doesn't seem to want to admit or concede what it actually is it is not some some organization of the vanguard of freedom is it a news organization is it a broadcaster is it i've used the phrase before on the show an echo chamber for people's your friends' opinions and you know other broadcasters other publishers are monitored people do monitor them because they've got to because there are legal issues to do with that and yet facebook wants to still be above all that perhaps. when on the legislation for such a lot firms and their responsibilities to see this is especially is not how. you can unions so i'm going to work on these five and i was trying to make sure those
that are a few cities in the state and the average stand how lots of. the source of business is to be able to u.c.s.b. cation but to be subpoenaed and that's when things you can see i was in court and you mention these does not speak the old if you nation question what facebook and other. something new i'm i would like to see different services actually and we have to bus only nation to the also so maybe as i said we have to make sure that we. must friends in the nation. for every month of the for some of the this is for the first spending that we have to make so that you and that you have many options to be able to say yes i want you can. i can use it meaning i'm obese but they were to use it but the rest of my. family you know you
see who's for science or hans or send them so you know you act without my knowledge and i said so and also be able to be not so sucky because you're in for somebody and if you do so cool and maybe you excuse it and then even the one screaming and even the lights so basically we have to suffer specific usually we send them. a sense of peace and prizes and. and then to give more options to the cities and. towns are ready for the loose lunch we are sure and certain that we want to do so for me. to do and things or do something that lets you. so you can be are if you want to warn us of and those that become but actually do want to hear they have to comply we have the right people
gone then and we have the right information we have the right to privacy as we have to find this new balance between the rights that we have so it's an ongoing process meaning we have to learn from what happened and make sure that people who we not be manipulative especially incensed like political decisions and lead understood understood and i just want to boil that plant down for a second to put that in california larry clearly the essence of what we're discussing here when it comes to these two point seven million people in europe is pushback but how do you strike the balance i mean is faintly ridiculous because for example the chicago tribune website a perfectly reputable newspaper website you can't see it in europe then you put up a v.p.n. and you can see it in europe i mean how does that work. well first of all and i've been to facebook safety advisory board for a number of years or so far and these conversations come up all the time and i just
want to make it clear that often it's nuanced for example i agree that there should be a lot of privacy controls but the more private they control the add the more complicated they become so that there is a tradeoff between simplicity and control and i'm not suggesting that facebook couldn't do a better job i know they could but but these are things that facebook and their advisers have been struggling with for years i also want to point out that consumer education is critical you can have the safest platform in the world but if people aren't using it in a safe way then their information is going to be a getting into the wrong hands because ultimately social media is about sharing and the question isn't whether we share information i wouldn't have any use for facebook if i weren't using it to reach out to my friends and share information the question of how do we keep control over our information yet still have the ability to share it and with that freedom to share means we have the freedom to go too far if we're not careful so it's a it's a balance of government has a role obviously industry has a role but the rest of it have
a role and that's where i think consumer education is so important. in london using social media and trusting it without question of those days now gone. i think you'll find that there are people who have very very different conceptions of your privacy means and what privacy means to them there are still a number of people who don't care that much of our privacy and oftentimes the argument that here are being made is i don't have anything to hide so why do i need to care about privacy there are others who are privacy extremists and whom i. go to great lengths to keep themselves private from from from these big huge companies like so given the spec some of the friend kinds of users that there are there's not going to be a single right balance which is why you need users to have more control over exactly what how their data is being stored and what are the services that are
being offered in the done for or in exchange for a certain lack of privacy the fact that web site can be can be tailored to your needs can be tailored to the way you want it to look and the functionality that you want it to be there is a fairly intense a lot of play with the the web site needs no a bit more of what you logon details and so forth so but maybe others don't actually want that they could have a much more genetic looking website without actually having to log in and so this is the kind of balance where users need to exercise control but on the other hand if you give too much control as a previous speaker was saying it could end up being decision fatigue if each website as i'm doing now with each website i need to go in and look and see what cookies are there work with cookies to any to allow what am i comfortable with doing that actually is a huge mental and cognitive load which takes away from the rich experience that we
get from browsing the internet and from getting all the information that we're getting and the way our lives have been turned on so it's a very very delicate line and i don't envy the job that the legislators have whether in europe or outside whether it's. thing where we need to think beyond these a knee jerk reactions to oh can generalistic a happens the heart of a prevent that from happening short ever set eyes on going to happen and yet again something else is going to happen so you need to come up with broader principles broader part of things which which lost the test of time and work for all these different people and their different conceptions of privacy and their different needs even in the context of that decision for tea in a sentence talking about the arts of london is what is what we're seeing a birthing pain for facebook and if facebook is reinventing itself can it reinvent itself with mark zuckerberg at the top or and basically i think is that when you have the principles and so for these principles once you have. clear
on what we are ask and let me say also that these days we're looking also for copyrights this means that you know. for the people not forms you queue to carry their users of the home or the open rights i know more than any actor and just great so doing that and whatever finds so you really are slowly slowly building up a very concrete station based on please. read the whole thing ok even i'm going to interrupt you there which i apologize last word to larry in california clearly larry this is the starting point for where social media is going what's the end point that we're going to get through well ideally the end point is that people are going to feel comfortable like they get control their own social media they have complete transparency of where their data is and who have access to it and they can enjoy sharing with the education in the knowledge that they need to limit what they
share if they want privacy but at the same time they can take advantage of all the great features it's social media offers ok. thank you all very much for your time today here on inside story thanks to i guess larry i'm a g.d. in california and the south sastry who joined us from london and eva kali who joined us out of brussels and thank you to you too for watching the program over the past half hour you can see the show again any time on the website al-jazeera dot com and for further discussion to check out facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter up handle at a.j. inside story all tweet me i'll take you back i'm at peta one for me and everyone on the team here in doha thanks for watching we'll see you soon of.
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