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tv   Inside Story 2018 Ep 222  Al Jazeera  August 11, 2018 10:32am-11:01am +03

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attack anything that person crashed into the island the saudi and the rotty coalition says it will investigate as strike in yemen that hit a bus full of school children killing fifty the united nations has called for a prompt independent inquiry the coalition insists it struck legitimate targets but this image was tweeted by james denselow the head of conflict save the children u.k. he said a site we should never have to see child sized grays of the twenty nine victims of an air strike on the school bus for the syrian army is threatening a major assault on the last remaining rebel held province that strikes killed at least eight people on friday leaflets serve also being dropped warning people to accept government rules those are the headlines next on its inside story to stay with us. on counting the cost what the first wave of u.s. sanctions on iran means for iranians and companies doing business there the world's biggest oil producers and climate change stamping out colombia's cocaine addiction
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counting the cost on al-jazeera. dozens of children are killed in air strikes in yemen that i made the outrage and calls for investigations broader questions of what is the international community's role in this war and what can be done to stop it this is inside story. hello and welcome to the program. yemen is routinely called the world's worst humanitarian crisis but sometimes an individual event can bring that face talk lee into focus that's what happened on thursday when a series of airstrikes in the norden province of sada killed dozens of people most of them school children even by yemen standards it was shocking and it once again
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called attention to foreign involvement in the war that not only mean the saudi enemy forces leading to coalition fighting to who sees but also the western governments that sell them weapons and offer a logistical support what bring in our guests in a moment but first this report from a how metal in djibouti literally still wearing his backpack this boy was in a minibus full of children from a school. but those the bus drove through a busy area of the tone in saw the problems with the. children one of. overwhelmed the medical workers to the injured on the corner every available space in the hospital. the fighters of accuse the sodium led coalition of launching the. saudi led coalition attacked
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a bus carrying more than thirty students who were on a summer school trip to the city there's no exact number of dead people the hospital has received many many wounded with a lot of serious injuries this boy refuses to harvey's injuries to his brother school with him on the bus yes no no i mean my brothers everyone get had until i see my brothers. the strike happened during morning rush hour in the busy market. a huge crater lies in the middle that ruled the exact support where the missile fell the mongols wreckage of the school bus the children while traveling in now trapped under the destroyed market buildings lining materials belonging to the children us through not around even mine does of the talk and the friends that struggle to live the seen by those lucky enough to escape on in a statement the sodium and had to coalition say to its aspects inside what aimed
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a missile launches used to attack an industrial city in southern so debbie on wednesday the statement for the accused the host of fighters of using children as human shields there are increasing calls for investigations into these hot topics we've seen news reports it's very important as you said repeatedly that who bought into the conflict in yemen and here to international humanitarian law where there is an instance of this sort it's important in its investigative story on the contrary it is not investigation channel learned from would be according to that in this instance as well so debbie and its allies have been fighting in yemen for more than three years against the hold hands who are aligned with iran to hold this control macho from yemen including the couple's. these latest up talk small kushal to the list of thousands who've been killed during this war the u.n. calls it the world's wast humanitarian crisis and recent months odeon u.a.e.
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forces have advanced towards the port city of data which is under the control of who with the fight is most aid and food to yemen gets in through these ports in this force both to fight us off intensified talks against so i'm not out at targets how about a wall just djibouti let's take a closer look at the conflict in yemen which began in twenty. fourteen when who three rebels took control of northern provinces and eventually the capital sanaa the government led by ab the rebel months ahead he was forced to flee south setting up a provincial capital into port city of aden in twenty fifteen a coalition led by saudi arabia and the united arab emirates began fighting to who these it also blockaded the country in an effort to cut off iranian support for who the rebels tens of thousands of people have been killed and millions more displaced aid agency now say a third of the country is on the brink of famine. let's
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bring in our guest there all joining us on skype from doncaster in the u.k. simon maybin lecturer in international relations at lancaster university and in sanaa hakim and miss mary editor in chief and publisher of the yemen post and in stockholm peter visit meant a senior researcher to stockholm international peace research and suit you gentlemen thank you for joining us today given us mary let me start with you. how do yemenis react when they hear about in calls for in divest a geisha as well as by the u.n. indeed lately by the saudi led coalition or by the pentagon who do they believe him actually do they need an investigation. there is no need for an investigation because of the coalition forces have. to stand behind this attack
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i'm surprised by the un is calling for investigation rather than calling for those who are responsible for this attack to be held accountable for its so this is one of the reasons why yemenis have lost hope on the international community on the u.n. over two years ago because of this war that has not been for any other reason only for a proxy war between two neighboring countries because saudi and iran where yemen is paying the price. and in yesterday's attack you have fifty one. civilians who were killed and forty of them who were children children who were just going to school summer school and were stopping by you know. a local market when that's where the death came to them and the body parts the corpses of the all the children those who were killed those who are being treated the parents right now. the entire country is mourning. these innocent children who were killed just for the reason of going
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to school or on their way to school. peter you know the pentagon said it done it didn't know whether the bombs used in yesterday's attack for example where u.s. made it also didn't know if actually it refueled the planes going on their mission or coming back from their mission but there's that absolve the role of the u.s. in what is happening underground is very clear the u.s. is the key supplier weapons to at least saudi arabia and also to the emirates and it may very well be that in this particular instance it brought not u.s. bombs or u.s. planes which were involved but a crew was if you are a main supplier you do know that there is a very big chance that it will be your bones and your claims which were offered. to reduce crimes of groups also not u.s. hands that that by actually supplying arms to contract lines like saudi arabia. has
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a lot of leverage and some sort of influence. in actually choosing the right targets if you're going to have to fight if you were in yemen then at least to use military targets to hit and this is really united states and great britain have your support in this case it seems that they have completed so the question if they had a certain responsibility here it's certainly a legitimate one so simon i mean it does sound that you know the u.s. is merely running a gas station in the air but looking closer and closer and that it is providing logistical support it is providing ammunition so. is there any mechanism by which it can also have that countable. for the war in yemen in general and specifically when such atrocities happen i think it's a very expensive gas station that it's running backs let's not forget that that the u.s. and u.k. combined have sold around twelve billion pounds of dollars worth of weapons to to
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the saudis whose weaponry is being used in this campaign with over one hundred thousand missiles being launched and sorties being being launched on the yemeni and the yemeni streets so this is this is huge there are huge number of opportunities that can be explored if there are actual if there is the desire to take things forward in terms of the united nations but also in terms of international law but this is where it gets incredibly ambiguous and incredibly problematic because that's where the political agendas really start to come to the fore we've seen at the united nations the united kingdom is the panel that with regard to yemen which which technically means that is responsible for putting these motions forward that we've seen that in spite of widespread acknowledgement that yemen is facing all kinds of humanitarian crises with over twenty two million people in need of humanitarian assistance the u.k. and u.s.
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have been somewhat reticent of actually doing anything on the world stage so i think they're complicit in a range of different ways. and what would be does ways for you does briefly show what we see obviously the sale of weapons to saudi arabia we know that the u.k. officials have been sitting in on the on some of the missions that that saudi planes have launched of a weapon or a yemen in terms of sky reports and i.t.v. reports in the u.k. we know that they're allegations that the u.k. is complicit in terms of weapons that have been sold as well as the political economic logistical and military support that is given to saudi arabia but also there's the moral and. the ethical dimensions of not doing what that should what they should supposed to be doing at the united nations and i think that reveals the broad and geo political tensions that are a play here with the two states providing a great deal of cover for the actions of saudi arabia and mom have been so many
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particular pita. at the end of the day investigations come and go but do they really change anything underground and if they really change how. the world functions they are not a crew it's an investigation may provide clear evidence of what actually happened it may provides a clearer picture to reject these that coalition didn't make a proper efforts to approach a billion can test this would make anybody completely serve in this particular case and in a number of other cases for that purpose and lead to some more concrete ending to those which have decided to place certain action to exaggerate than particular when it comes to unsupplied to be more restricted or even to have you know that allows them by this may happen it may also happen that the u.s. potentially could be more willing to be more restrictive to have more major the
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monster with saudi arabia out routes without saudi arabia to wage a war which kids at least in terms of international humanitarian law will move into line what can be expected and what is expected of states but of course this is not going to make a big difference here i think that's a much longer road as events longer process in which those countries which are the main supply is to take a much more responsibility pressure on saudi arabia and the u.a.e. to get political solution to this conflict because it's not just about the violations of international humanitarian law it's also the fact that it's wrong to fight this war in yemen is by many considered as a red i hope this case you're not going to win this war with military means so just going to ask question. are yemenis aware of the involvement or the role of the a certain western powers when it comes to the war that's been waged on that country
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. yemenis are convinced of one thing that because it's a poor country they their voice is not being heard when the rich fights the poor the voices of the poor are always ignored or even if you are oppressed they know that the saudi arabia and its allies have the wealth there persuading these western countries to buy their weapons financial interests to improve their economies so even if that's on the cost of yemeni civilians the forty children who were killed yesterday are only a small portion of the three thousand plus children killed over the last three years of war and the innocent up to school children who were killed by random airstrikes on supposedly military targets. while some of these targets were schools and hospitals so because yemen is poor the whole world is ignoring them and taking the interest of the the strong countries of our countries for example another
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example why these calls for investigations or the un or stop powers calls for human rights etc are baseless or. not enough sun our airport has been closed for over two years and this has resulted in the death of twelve thousand children in yemen who needed medical attention abroad but could not leave the country the world is ignoring them because again their it's a poor country fighting a rich country where the international community especially the west is gaining financial interest. i'll and having the yemenis suffer for that. simon does have a point there that sometimes when it comes to specifically saudi arabia and to a lesser. extent the emirates. western countries shy away from openly criticizing also because sometimes the response from saudi can be quite harsh we've seen that lately for example with this spat with
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canada do you think that's playing into into this whole of city to asia i think it's certainly a calculation i'm not sure that is just about worry about the saudi response but i think in the case of the u.k. in particular there's a real concern about the economic implications of a of a fracturing in the relationship between the between london and riyadh so we've seen the sheer amounts of money that has been spent from the saudis coming into the british economy in terms of arms and and the money of factoring of all kinds of military equipment that is being sold to the saudis and of course for for the u.k. and times when where i'm sure about the economic future of the country when we're in show or in the midst of the process the saudi money coming in is actually a real souls of of positive developments and positive wealth for the country so no
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prime minister is going to try and jeopardized for for the sake of human rights across the world and that unfortunately is that is the reality of rail politic no matter how much we are vocal in criticizing it and i of course have been very critical of such positions but that is the reality of politics in the u.k. a president that that no one wants of consensus humanitarian interests of being sacrificed on the altar of royal polity. peter this same situation. with is with the u.s. i would say in the sense that since the trump of ministration came into. place certainly the. military assistance to the saudis has expanded when at a time just after obama had actually stopped the sales of weapons. now is that because when president trump went to saudi arabia he got these grandiose welcome and he got. pledges of billions of dollars in
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contracts or what is the reasoning behind all of that this is simply money talk. money talks certainly although a list i have to add immediately that this was also the case in the obama administration obama or is that ministration did lose put certain restrictions on certain arms sales to saudi arabia but most of them just continued as they were it looks as if they had somewhat higher than monsters if they were looking at possibilities to put more pressure on the saudis too so that they would kind of behave better in yemen but only a girl even though potentially arms exports to saudi arabia the track may increase even further than the very high levels they were already under the obama invents treasure the thing that changes is that enormous but still in a number of cases troopers made it very clear that he's not interested in any restrictions on saudi arabia or one of the reasons changes for example in u.s.
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arms exports policy ross to say that saudi arabia now also can get certain types of military drones maybe even armed drones and while the argument was there that if the rest would not supply them the next week china won't do so and china had already don't say so there are a whole range of reasons why this is the case we also have to look at the fact that in reality on sales may not necessarily be so enormous in economic terms but if you stop sales then you get a signal to saudi arabia and the risk is that saudi arabia will react with anger to that and as we can see in the case of how kind of that was also a group grew out of out of so many more and not likely much more lucrative economic activities in the country which would encourage some sort of arms of all restrictions on saudi arabia at least that can happen doesn't have to happen i need
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to be also saying that germany has made very clear that there is no known are willing to supply arms to saudi arabia and the effects until now in the germany. going to mean you in the relations between your minions are you ready are seem to be relatively limited so it doesn't have to happen this kind of enormous clash with saudi arabia if you pull out or criticize so i came from your vantage point i know the bombs are being dropped by the coalition but do you hold all these countries to egypt provide weapons or logistical support or even survey ends. information do you hold them as responsible. as the saudi led coalition for the suffering of the yemeni people as you mentioned this is not one country it's a coalition so there are helping one way or the other and there are helping it's
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building the yemeni blood and i guess if those who were killed were who the fighters then that would be. the act of war where their fighters are killing each other but to have civilians paid a price this is what hurts the many people or all those who are passionate throughout the world when when civilians are paying the price for a dirty war that they have nothing to do with their suffering they're sleeping hungry they're sleeping and worrying that they would not wake up alive there. they had their children crying at night from hunger and with that they are killed by airstrikes because they're ordinary civilians and because they were not able to . to be a rich country where yemen would be important to the world or give the world some by natural interest to us to help them become allies so because it's not that you have allies by your standard allies today are bought by money and not by their their stand i mean rights. oh for argument prosy simon amnesty international for
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example has. a report and in which a detailed what it cold where war crimes carried out on the ground for example secret that entered centers by the u.a.e. they talk about widespread torture and there's a long list to what extent is selling weapons or providing logistical support it makes it complicit to what is happening on the ground i think that's a really interesting philosophical question and the could have a whole program of its own and some of my colleagues in lancaster teach courses on the the ethics of such decisions but i think that for the people of the yemeni it doesn't really matter how complicit the us or the u.k. is they are involved they are providing weapons they are providing the support and
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that is helping kill kill that their children their friends their families and and i would argue that they are complicit for all manner of reasons we know that british officials are sitting in in rooms with saudi counterparts making decisions on was a legitimate law a legitimate targets according to our own calculations now if the u.k. and the us and other western powers wanted to do something more positive then they should look to the un in trying to get a better resolution than two to one six which is incredibly restrictive which is deadlock the country and in a conflict that has very little chance of actually moving forward because the parties involved in the conflict are not given space to actually hear their have their grievances addressed or indeed given the space to actually come to the table and talk without some incredibly limiting conditions so i think if if there is a real desire to move towards getting a resolution to the yemeni conflict that is what must happen alongside all of these
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investigations that will hold people to account and i'll give the last word to how came. have yemenis just lost all hope that anyone will come and help them out to get out of this incredibly complicated situation or as you said earlier they know that being the poorest country in the region they are the ones that count the less. let's be honest yes. i'm a bit simplistic but there are some other positive issues going on the un envoy is currently doing a very good job and try and syria's job to try to end this war in yemen and. that could help to limit but if there is no international will to end this war it will not and by yemeni efforts or by international or u.s. efforts there has to be a will to act that's what it has to be a wealth to and the sufferings of twenty six million people in the poorest country
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in the world last year we heard being be at the world for minutes crisis. in fifty years and since that happened since then over one thousand five hundred civilians have been killed by the war and not to mention over forty thousand killed by talking for due to medical reasons for sources they were able to get your treatment for no one cared because of the human being a poor country but i do feel that. commenting world. understands he needs to be a person. to help the i'm going to forgive your manager said the u.n. resolution needs to be more lenient because it's because with the support. right now it different changed it's a different scenario but you have different powers over ground. parents where which was the case when this revolution took place every reason that situation indeed but we have reached the end of the programs or thank you very much or i guess simon may
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