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tv   The Stream 2018 Ep 152  Al Jazeera  September 21, 2018 7:32am-8:01am +03

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for the good in whom turkey blames for the attempted coup told you was arrested in his home city of valor and later sentenced to seven years in prison on wednesday a turkish court reduce that to five years thousands of cattle are prone to penance activists have protested in barcelona to mark the anniversary of last year's secessionist drive protest has demanded the release of prominent separatists from prison they were arrested in the aftermath of a referendum on the region's independence that was outlawed by the spanish government they have received a preliminary sedition charges but no trial date has been set. well those are the headlines on al-jazeera do stay with us the stream is coming up next thank you very much for watching. getting to the heart of the matter the three big challenges facing human problems in the twenty first century nuclear war climate change and technological disruption facing realities whatever is there to fear is not in me it
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is in the people of uganda hear their story on talk to al-jazeera. today a check in on three stories that we're following here on the stream what happened when king met me we will find out then do you know the truth behind how western museums got many of them all to facts and we're also going to meet someone who can tell you i really could be a lot of you looking for your comments on twitter and of course in our you tube chad first though to libya take a look at this. so
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what you've just been looking at was a video from a detention center for refugees and migrants in the libyan capital tripoli it was sent to journalists by one of the people being held at. well here it is with us today from london to tell us more and we're also joined by abraham yunus he works for medicine saw france here and is the head of the libyan mission he's with us from tunis sally and it's good to have you i'm going to go straight to my laptop for people who haven't seen your twitter thread the one that's got so much attention it starts for the last twenty four hours i've been texting and calling with refugees in libya five hundred are apparently struck in a tripoli prison without food or water after heavy fighting broke out two days ago they say their guards right away leaving them alone that just by itself is striking but the reaction to the compiled twitter said that you put together what was it.
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so essentially what happened was twenty sixth of august i got the face message from this group of people who said that they were refugees trapped in the detention center and obviously it took me about twenty four hours to kind of verify they were who they said they were and thus when i started tweeting that they were just begging for help they were begging for someone to help them they got sent back by the e.u. by funded coast guard anyway to their. sense and he said it was a safe country to return people to they were meant to be under the protection of the u.n. and instead we're just. in the middle of a war is with i tutor water. and couldn't do anything so yeah they appealed to me and how i treated it i didn't know what else do i say this story but i also tweeted that at this stage it's been more than two million so i am. trying to the people are paying attention but this isn't
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a new problem the fighting is new but the issue isn't news like tens of thousands of people have been docked up indefinitely in the a.b.s. because of e.u. policy and this is the result of thought. definitely not new and sally of course are people who cover this story they will know the answer to this question i'm about to share with you on twitter but first some of our community members they don't this is edward he says they have no they have no food but they have phones and internet can you explain to her audience how it is they managed to use those phones that they do have and use whatsapp to get in touch with you and then how you were able to verify their story. yes sure i mean that was what i was very confused about us very well i was kind of going i'm in north london getting messages from so and he says they're in the i was this possible and they explained to me a sense they had tried to get us to. the end of the on the smuggling gave them a phone to contact the coast guard. italian coast guard who were supposed to rescue
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them and instead they got riparian but they managed to hide that so i don't and what they say is this and if there's i sign like they have no other way anyone with softening a card with their life and they carried it in secret they're getting somebody else and they be asked to soften it up. i was confused by the sea but actually it makes sense like how can you survive with that communication and they're very worried that their friends could get taken away from them and those this bombs and again nobody will know with stopping evil aim to bring you into the conversation has this idea of being registered if you're stuck in media it's so critical for the refugees to michael's from self. and this comment i'm still getting constant messages from refugees desperate to be registered all they want is my name on my list simply so there's some proof say exist if so why do so difficult. it was quite a lot first. when the interceptions takes place. by the by the libyan coast guard
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people who are going back to libya. directly from the border to these detention centers and of course it's out of three detained. that i just mentioned mechanism a levy is quite slow because the number of refugees collectively i don't to put heat till just before the twenty sixth is was a month five thousand. distributed in four between seven to eight detention centers and the capacity to do just that everybody time was quite slow. and also when you come to diffuse the state doesn't diminish it all that takes a long long process and a long interviews so most of these people were not registered and they were awarded . also disappeared from just the station centers either being sent away or transferred to somewhere else or been sent back to traffickers side so people are
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much much concerned about their life well beings and they wanted to be just. you know about him when you talk about the traffickers that that is a topic of concern among the many people particularly eight people of course this is a video coming i want to share with you this is about the man but basically he's the chief of mission for the international organization of migrants and he's in libya here's what he says. lead you to the latest comic security and political developments in the country the situation became more challenging for the high us if we want to talk about specific issues violence face first i would not have state of texas or might not be detained without your procedure as the security is my be criminalised one of the smugglers a free one might as the. very limited number of smugglers out of the us a huge event on the theory is that all monitors returned to the. postcards
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automatically not transferred to the thousands. said to him he says that migrants are facing refugees are facing consequences that smugglers adult that's true and that's that's very true and i concur with my colleague a smattering of. this it seems that there is no to be stationed there it's no it's very arbitrary detained of course. that's given a zation of just people trying to seek refuge fleeing countries of war by itself for me it's a big mistake. in terms of traffickers and smugglers it's particular as you know need be is now a problem for bicycle a tough time but it is really the low on military force meant is not in place so and also the streams and the traffic going is also so much linked to money shit so the fact that there is no law and order to control that so if they're victims of
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more fall on the refugees and migrants i'm going to leave this summer and abraham in any sally it will have some order that was sent to sally on today from a man who is in detention right now i think it really focuses our minds on what is going on in libya have an innocent. sending dismissing straight out from the dangerous scene tearing through police we are likely to displace like four hundred thousand refugees are asking for your help most of us and we have like eight pregnant and more than twenty children's and under each even displaced no food no water we are going to reach there for seven mins days there were around us for three weeks we are asking for the world to help us again and again but no change until now please we need an evocation as much as you can
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and we are still. asking the world for how but fortunately that's all the time we have for this conversation today but you can continue to follow sally's reporting on twitter at sallie h a y d now from libya we had to the koreas. but the moment. south korean president
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jay n. has just finished a historic three day trip to pyongyang for talks with his north korean counterpart kim jong un visit is only the third for a sitting south korean president since a division of the korean peninsula and comes as nuclear disarmament negotiations between north korea and the u.s. have started to a halt so is the reapproach right between the neighbors in danger or just getting started joining us to debrief a stream of what happened when kim met kristin is the founder and international coordinator of women cross d.m.z. and jody town is a research and that i don't understand managing editor at the stimson center hello ladies good to have you here good to have you back again christine so where are we now in thames of the moods of the korean people how do you describe it. i mean it's extraordinary i received messages from. my my allies my partners in south korea the women's peace organizations as well as north koreans especially you know including a friend that is
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a defector here in the united states and everybody is very poised they are inspired i mean i was moved to tears watching president moon address one hundred and fifty thousand north korean people who stood on their feet throughout the entire speech waving and cheering i think that we are in a new era for the korean peninsula and we have commitments from both leaders to not only remove the threat of nuclear weapons from korea but also. the threat of war and i think that their commitment to move forward in actionable ways from gene mining the t.m.c. to setting up a reunion center for separated families just tangible things that are really moving progress between the two koreas christine there's someone who might agree with you on twitter this is my who says it is a breakthrough however they need to be given time the world one north korea to
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quickly to nuclearize i guess they will do that in their own time and place a pace at least they are opening jenny i'm wondering if you feel similarly do you see this as a breakthrough. i think it is a breakthrough in the into a korean relation ship and the problem is is that there is now a lot of things on the agenda that will require cooperation from the united states in order to really move forward and make good on some of the promises that have been made and i think this is where we run into problems is that you know south korea is moving forward at a pace much faster than what the u.s. government is comfortable with and i think there's already some misinterpretations and misunderstandings of what happened at the summit as it relates to u.s. d.p. r. k. negotiations on denuclearization and these mystery steps gens are really going to cause problems in the future because it does create false expectations of what those next
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steps actually are and i think these are the things that really need to get hashed out now between the u.s. and and and north korea directly christine. well i think that north korea has signaled that they would dismantle two key sites one is the long range missile launch pad and then the other is the younger nuclear reactor which have long been the ire of washington d.c. but what we know is that north korea has said that that is contingent on progress made with the united states i mean you can see the images of libya and the political chaos that that country is in you see the situation what happened in iraq and now what happens with iran and north korea also has its own history to look at where eighty percent of the country was devastated by an indiscriminate u.s. farming campaign so i think it's really crucial i think especially for americans
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who are watching the show is you're not going to see the denuclearization of north korea unless there is progress towards peace and that's why i think it's urgent right now to be advancing the conversation about a peace treaty and put it on the table when you know i got an e-mail just pushed back a little bit and i think this is where we need to be very careful and we're christian matters is because what north korea did in that article reason is they did promise to commit to dismantle. the launch pad it so which is then used as not to let launches in the past but they did not commit to shutting down young guns that use that as an example and they basically reiterated that this is a process that can move forward and on an action for action basis and use shutting down young man as an example and the problem is is that you know secretary pompei iowa has already sort of claimed this as a victory of north korea committed to do this and that's simply not true and you know as much as it's great that there is renewed enthusiasm for negotiations going
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forward if we don't have a clear understanding of what has been committed in order to measure progress we're going to have a lot of frustrate. early on and so i think it needs to be we need to be very careful as to what has actually happened what's on the table what still needs to be negotiated before you know we get too far ahead of ourselves and people get really frustrated well i mean i don't disagree with that i just think that it's important to make the case that having face to face meetings and dialogue and actual diplomatic peace process is what is going to yield the breakthroughs that we see between north korea and south korea and unfortunately we don't know what state the united states is because we see many competing messages coming from the bolton camp or some from the more probing gauge tent camp within the trumpet ministration and so i think that's where we have to really say that the policy of maximum pressure
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which has just been about punishing sanctions which have not obviously impacted the regime or stop north korea from advancing their nuclear weapons program has totally failed and what we need right now more than ever is supply and dialogue and meeting face to face and i my i think the majority of koreans around the world would say let's begin by declaring and to this war so that there could actually have some movement between the u.s. perfect place to pause this conversation i hear what you're saying are you joining us wow i think our community would agree we're going to pause this here for now though thank you to christine and jenny and our community for being with us on the stream again so when the queen as we head to london.
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it's absolutely not the case that everything in the museums african collections was founded on only to whatever phrase you want to use but obviously there are certain circumstances or certain events that happened. and set examples like that influences where that material would come into the collection and in the same way today where there's a euphemism wouldn't have come into the collection in the same way now of course it's not just the bronzes that have ended up in western museums under questionable circumstances. the models and many more facts are at the center of often very nasty disputes between western museums and the country that they've been taken from today we're going to meet a woman who has come up with a novel way to confront the often uncomfortable stories behind some of the world's most prized exhibits alice proctor welcome to this story so excited to have you on
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after seeing your work i want to start with our community who love this topic mostly because they come from countries that want their artifacts back so this is one person coming out of nigeria saying things that they have in their museums are better looted they should explain how they got them but they never do they just put them in there with little or no details to say where they were looted from britain still has ninety nine point nine percent of the things that belong to my ancestors my own in exact scientific presented today are but how did you come up with this idea. so i've been writing these to us for the n.l. and when i started them they came from a place of frustration i had studied art history at university and i was surrounded by people all the time who worked in museums and art galleries but didn't necessarily want to have these conversations so i had
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a map background of museum education i had the information that i needed to do this work and i just started running the tours to see what would happen so when they first ran it was secret the galleries had no idea that we were running them at all . i'm still not working for the museums i do this independently so it was a way of bringing the information that i had and appealing to an audience that i knew was there so these are uncomfortable our tours not not my description you are description of what is on an uncomfortable our tour give us a little show and tell we're going to show and you're going to tell. go it at a swim or put it on screen they go oh there we go ok so this is a painting of a man called william fielding this is in the collection of the national gallery fielding was one of the first british tourists to travel with the east india company in the sixteenth so this is at a time when britain is expanding its colonial power it's creating the trade
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networks that will become the route to imperial control over india and large parts of south asia and fielding travels with the company as a tourist he goes and comes back and dresses up so this is kind of a seventeenth century cultural appropriation in a way that he stressed in this painting he's wearing a combination of european clothing and the silk jacket and trousers that he's brought back to india with he has a southern accompanying him in this painting we know that two savants travel from india back to england with fielding we don't know the names we don't know anything about them but one of them has been included in this painting presumably as part of an illustration of his well travelled. these connections in these influences that he is now performing back in britain so i want to share this thought from andrew who takes it from an interview with you andrew says she says there's always one side of the story that has been privileged over the other so this question is there
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are ongoing efforts to interact with people on the other side of the story and get to know how they feel being quote unquote robbed by europeans for many years i want to use that to pivot to a question for you alice and what do museum officials think a bit if they ever talk to you about incorporating this into some of their own tours. so there are certainly some institutions that are more receptive to this than others and to be clear there are plenty of museums that do. just as us communities to discuss the best way of displaying these objects and to begin negotiations to what repatriation most museums are doing now and most museums that i guide in don't actually work with me they make it very clear that i'm an authorized i don't participate in that at all i just want to make sure that people understand what you're doing you know you kind of it's kind of sneaky so you go into one of the museums in the united kingdom in london and you having your own
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secret tour that's going on that's not official i'm not telling people your your truth as you see it the sort of let's get down to basics the reality behind the pictures and colonialism and the empire etc so it just reminds me of a scene from the black panther. where the museum is going into you and then an artifact is taken out and you know that belongs to a condom and your kind of doing that i am but will not steal israel year and so i'm talking much more differently about colonial history. i try to use the space museum create an area where we can have these conversations it's so much more powerful to talk about dispossession to talk about representation in front of the objects and to think through the ways that they've been manipulated by the institution the fact that they have multiple meanings to different people and every individual who comes into that space will see something different and we'll gauge that story in
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a different way so yeah they are essentially sneaky to us although the museums do know about me now obviously i'm a death we know about you now. so this cover we got in live from piano on you to return the ancestral artifacts there worth millions so speaking about tell us about one more those white cups that we dishonor scream about a minute ago what are those. so that is the white cop shot at a high in the middle ampara and these are slightly trickier objects because they're an antique when they are quiet by the british so this cup dates from as you can see on the screen sixteen fifty seven and it's a quiet by the british suck at eight hundred fifty seven so some of your viewers might know that that's the date of what leiter referred to as the first indian war of independence or the subway rebellion depending what side you're on it's a moment of enormous conflict that transforms the history of the british in india and is one of the key moments that leads towards the end of the east india company
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aggregation all the. queen victoria as the empress of india ok so those caught are acquired by someone working for the studio company in very very g.b. of circumstances and they come to that u.k. by his collection alley so again it's next summer i'm in london i'm signing up for a secret tour alex thank you so much look you're on my website on my laptop here and you will see alice's work on the whole website it's the exhibitionists dot org and our minor to our community if you have a story you'd like to see other stream protests at a data stream proceed. to . move. when our on line for humanity has been taken out of its goals as it would hold you about numbers on a spreadsheet or if you join a sunset i guarantee no one else has
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