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all about. the prime minister he said. it's all his fault i was. to a point. but to break that down he. was very politically. the victory of two thousand and fifty. was. taking. collective decisions that he tended to make individual decisions alluding to a smaller sort of a. citizen also said. that he has violated the country's constitution all his decisions had been taken with legal advice and in accordance with the constitution of the country obviously a little earlier in the day the parliamentary speaker. asking the president.
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to respect and protect the rights of. until such time another person from within parliament to demonstrate that the confidence of. the president to take on board saying he thought it was democratic. and basically also saying that suspending parliament at the sixteenth was a bit too much and. brazilians are voting in a presidential runoff that could see the country's first democratically elected far right leader coming to power the right wing candidate. his ballot a couple of hours ago a poll suggests the former army captain is leading. sexism but has left us challenger for the workers party has narrowed the lead going into the selection there is a more from a poor area in rio de janeiro that's become a balsa narrow strongholds. what people are saying is that only
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a tsunami can turn this election iran where we are right now is that the largest. in rio they join nato. thousands of people are just coming here to vote and in a way it shows what's been happening in this country and how support. has increased and we can hear how we have managed to get the vote a fearful he insulted in the past many of them are black and women are the people here for example are saying that they will vote for bolton i don't because of crime they're saying that they're tired of criminals taking on controlling like this one they're also saying that they're charged extra for gas for water among other things that they need that to change the other reason that most and i know has gained support in places like this one is every i've done jellicoe movements many people in places like this one are evan jellicoe they've been told that it. is the man to vote with moral values among other things both candidates have already voted and
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a to work on i don't told his followers not to give to continue not to take this election for granted and that this day is crucial to change the heads on al-jazeera lives in limbo the plight of thousands of south sudanese who've spent years struggling to officially prove their identity and rangers the fishermen in kenya who've hung up their nets for the sake of marine by. hello there we still got a fair amount of rain that's pushing its way across the middle east at the moment it's working its way away from the east coast of the mediterranean though so for us in turkey and all the way down southwards it looks fine and dry and settled however the rain that gave us all the very wet weather recently is now here making its way
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up through into parts of kazakstan for the very heavy downpours out of that and eventually as we head through the day on monday should begin to fade so more in the way of dry weather here having a maximum temperature just of twelve degrees so generally i think if we had three monday it does look a good deal dry up for the south though this still a fair amount of rain here still lots of cloud at the moment too and you can see that clouds still with us for monday and still giving us one or two rather heavy showers looks like most of those showers will be over parts of saudi intruding riyadh some of the very very heavy crude to give us some flooding as well even further towards the south and for many of us in the southern parts of africa it's fine and dry you see the cloud though this huge area of cloud in the phone northern parts warm up that's just sinking its way southwards and some of us in angola likely to see a few shop showers to the south of that though it looks fine to dry still very warm even talk about thirty one cape town hall that will fit twenty three and the movie quite it brief.
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a career reporting to the lone doing it here one journalist documents life beyond the headlines. but certain stories can change us in the easiest least use to it when you get a new mystery. to me like a unique journey into what it means to be human the things we keep a witness documentary on al-jazeera. hello again the top stories on al-jazeera officials in the usa a man who shot
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eleven people in a synagogue in pittsburgh spoke of genocide and the desire to kill jewish people six others are injured four of them police officers a forty six year old man has now been charged. as president. says he's sacked as prime minister after discovering he was involved in a plot to assassinate him one person died and two others were wounded as the political prices turned violent over the dismissal of running with her missing. and turkish police say the saudis station chief in istanbul went to a forest a day before saudi journalist she's disappearance saudi arabia's public prosecutor has arrived in istanbul to discuss the killing and office. crossing over to trial stratford he is joining us now from istanbul what can you tell us about this latest development charles. well this is according to police sources that have been speaking to the newspaper that is
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a pro-government turkish newspaper here it they are saying that there is a man who is believed or is known now to be in the consul station chief here a man cooled a. zany who according to these police will seize was one of the individuals referred to by president to one we heard last week who said that a group of consulate workers had gone to that area north of istanbul the belgrade forest the day be full has shown she was killed mr to one implying that these this group had gone up to that area on a reconnaissance mission with the implication that they may well have been looking for a place to dispose of mystical show and she's body it's understood now according to these police will seize that the consul station chief this man as i say ahmed abdullah zaini was on that reconnaissance mission now almost any apparently
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left as the left. we believe he left off the consul general himself left which was on the sixteenth of october so we understand that he is in saudi arabia what's so interesting as you can imagine is that apparently this man is not part of the fifteen we understand eighteen people that have been arrested in saudi arabia certainly not part of the fifteen that the turks his say came on the day that shows he was killed into turkey came to the consulate and left on the same day and was amy is not part of that group begging the question as to whether this man in fact has been questioned by the saudi prosecution is in saudi arabia obviously as we've been reporting the saudi prosecutor chief prosecutor is jew sorry we understand now how. arrived in istanbul we understand that obviously he'll be meeting his
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counterpart is to fish counterparts tomorrow we're also getting information that he may actually be visiting the consulate here tomorrow and the consul general's home but yeah this is seems to be quite a significant development in terms of now having a name. so the turkish police also say the name of a man who was part of that group of men who were present or. went up to that area the belgrade forest the day before the show she was killed all right interesting development for the time being offered thank you. the billionaire owner of leicester city football club is fear to have died in a helicopter crash fans have left tributes to a vigil i survived on a problem after his helicopter came down in the club's car park following a game on saturday the club hasn't yet confirmed that he was on board which i achieved international fame on leicester city unexpectedly claimed the english premier league title in twenty eight sixteen paul brennan has more from leicester.
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we saw a convoy of fire service vehicles going in not the normal fire engines but some kind of container trucks going into the far side of the stadium taking what looked to be timber and other materials which i'm going to guess here will be used to create a kind of forensic tent around the crash site to preserve it and allow the accident investigation bureau to do their work of analyzing the wreckage i have to say though that from experience of previous crashes that we've done there is normally an announcement from the ambulance service to say that some people have been taken to hospital there has been none of that in this occasion on this occasion so i think we can surmise i'm afraid that the victims may still be where they where they crashed nato's biggest military maneuvers since the cold war have begun in norway that's where forces are practicing how they would fight off a foreign invader of the war games involve about fifty thousand personnel from all
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twenty nine nato allies along with partners finland and sweden in all sixty five sea vessels one hundred fifty aircraft and ten thousand land vehicles are taking part and russia which shares a border with norway has warned it's watching closely well germany is leading the joint exercise with almost five thousand troops taking parts alec's could topple this has more. german artillery has just finished its latest mission so propelled guns firing up the no imaginary targets i spoke earlier to general son brought about how ready the task force was germany as you might know is the lead nation for the v j t f two souls nine hundred the very joint i read in this task force that nato is establishing and having on hand if required that means germany since free years sets up a national. brigade size force and the contribution of germany itself is
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almost a mechanized brigade and expression in this exercise we have from the ninety brigade from germany about five thousand german soldiers about two souls and vehicles and equipment deployed despite president trumps criticism earlier this year it's germany that provides the vast majority of soldiers and vehicles for this german led to get multinational high rated us brigade police in mexico have ended a temporary standoff with thousands of central american asylum seekers on their way to the u.s. a local human rights commission convinced police to abandon a blockade on a rural highway the u.n. estimates seven thousand people took off from several central american countries a few weeks ago heading towards the united states they're fleeing poverty as well as persecution and say they're traveling in a large group for safety reasons now problems with documents and identity is making
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life even more difficult for many in south sudan the issues they back to in the country broke away from sudan seven years ago about morgan explains. every morning james comes to work to make tea and serve in the office he says it's one of the few jobs he could find that didn't need paperwork proving his identity he doesn't have any but that was not always the case. and. i came to khartoum from the south in nine hundred seventy six and had sudanese citizenship and married from here off to south sudan became independent i stayed here but lost my nationality is sudanese i need relatives to prove my claim sell sudanese to get the nationality but close relatives the dead south sudan gained independence from sudan in twenty eleven this especially most part of a deal signed between the sudanese government and the southern opposition after the longest civil war in african history hundreds of thousands fled the violence and
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headed north many seeking refuge in sudan's capital. despite a six year interim period prior to south sudan's independence from sudan the issue of who has the right to wish nationality was not discussed until after south sudan gained independence as a result there are hundreds of thousands of south sudanese here who haven't gone back to their country and many of them have no documents to prove their identity so dense bureau statistics says more than fifty thousand south sudanese are in sudan with no legal documents to prove their identity sudan's government recently amended its nationality law to reduce that number the constitution and the law sudanese born to sudanese mothers to have the right to citizenship resolved not just legal but also social issues for those without citizenship but for the thousands who counts qualify for sudanese citizenship things are more complicated. people are basically left up in the year they need to either have a legal status provided by the government here or some kind of identification provided by their own country so they can get jobs so that their kids can stay in
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school so that they can get residency in the country they're in. james says with his wife being sudanese he will continue living in huts home without any documentation but he hopes that one day he and many others will be recognised by either side and finally gets a paper that will prove who they are people morgan al-jazeera. fishermen in kenya have hung up their nets and instead of trying to conserve marine life and now known as refrain germs they've been trained to monitor first stocks as well as their habitats catherine saw reports. meet the island's refrain just there once fisherman in lima county's largest island on the kenyan coast depleted fish stocks pushed them to swap roles and become protectors of the ocean most islanders depend on for their livelihood they've learned the science of counting fish species and other sea creatures in protected
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areas and also telling if the ocean floor is in good shape they then take the information back to their villages and decide collectively what to do next. as fisherman was sucked down and realize that we have to protect our resources we saw the destruction of the environment of the normal fish reducing the community has now put in place laws like placing such an important areas in the ocean as no fishing zones some people blame the problem on those who fish in breeding areas using equipment that is destructive to the environment. abdullah mohammed a fish trader sees ongoing dredging of the ocean for the construction of a port is also driving fish away from marking the hard limits of what. they are digging out is a good habitat for fish fishermen have to go far into the deep sea and have. to build up. back on the shore the ranges patrol
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a mongrel forest and regulated felling of the trees for commercial purposes is a big concern on this mission they record signs of reason. for more than sixty percent of the country's mangrove cover these are important breeding grounds for fish but logging is rampant and trying to convince communities to stop has been difficult. the people who live here are allowed to use some of the trees for construction in their fuel needs but they also encourage to report any large scale logging specifically using power communities in the area highly depend on marine resources over eighty percent of the communities in this region depend for example on fisheries and mongul in terms of livelihood saw convincing them to start deciding on how to sustainably utilize the resource has taken some time
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at the ranges hope their contribution to conservation will help keep the marine eco system healthy which also means keeping the communities alive catherine sorry al-jazeera potter island on the kenyan coast of fire has got it a historic building in peru's capital lima one woman was rescued and no deaths have been reported it's thought to have been caused by a gas leak or faulty wiring structure known for its classical european architecture was built in the early twentieth century. the headlines on al-jazeera turkish police say the saudi station chief in istanbul went to a forest a day before disappearance it's an area where investigators have been searching for the missing journalist body well this new development comes of the saudi arabian public prosecutor is due to arrive in istanbul to discuss the killing of. turkish authorities want the eight hundred suspects to be extradited saudi arabia says
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they'll be prosecuted in the kingdom u.s. defense secretary james mattis says he's held talks with the saudi foreign minister and has demanded a transparent investigation into the journalist's murder police politicians and leaders from pitt pittsburgh's jewish community have given the public more details about saturday's shooting at a synagogue that saw eleven people die investigators say the attacker was carrying three high powered weapons when he opened fire on people attending a religious service he spoke of genocide and a desire to kill jewish people for turning his guns on officers who had responded to emergency calls this rank in president might be republished to recenter says he's sacked his prime minister claiming he was involved in a plot to assassinate him one person has died and two others wounded as the political crisis turned violent over the dismissal of rhino were missing a week or missing is refusing to leave his official residence mr siri sena has
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defended his decision in an address to the nation. i wanted to be going to. mr ranil wickremasinghe a behaved very arrogant of me and stubbornly in the government mostly making decisions individually which led to a serious political crisis is what giving up even i must state that the appointments dismissals and the appointment of a new government has been done with the advice of legal experts in accordance with the constitution and i totally reject the allegation that they were in violation of the constitution and not in accordance with the law for zillions are voting in a presidential runoff that could see the country's first democratically elected far right leader coming to power a right wing candidate your boss an r. o. cast his ballot a couple of hours ago a poll suggests the former army captain is leading despite accusations of flora's ism and sexism has left us challenger fernanda hot dogs from the workers' party has narrowed the lead going into the election those are the headlines and side story
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with imran khan is coming up next right here on al-jazeera. to finally acknowledging jamal khashoggi his killing was premeditated saudi arabia sends its top prosecutor to turkey as pressure grows on riyadh to extradite the suspects will the two countries call right this is inside story. hello and welcome to the program. it's been more than three weeks since journalist
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amal kesho walked into the saudi consulate in istanbul never to be seen again and with each passing day brings a new element so crime that shocked the world turkey one saudi arabia to extradite the eighteen men who have been suspected in this killing but saudi arabia incest they'll face justice in the kingdom this issue will likely top the agenda a saudi arabia's top prosecutor arrives in turkey the initial turkish inquiry has concluded that the killing was premeditated a fact saudi officials have taken some time to acknowledge turkey's president red chip types are the one is edging saudi arabia to disclose casualties remains and to explain who gave the order to kill him. first i should say here in the presence of international media that there are eighteen people in custody these are the same people who came to our country who sent to those people to turkey that's a question that needs to be answered by the saudi officials another statement from
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the higher authorities in saudi arabia stated that the body of jamal khashoggi was handed to a local collaborator in turkey or they had some collaboration with a local accomplice so who is the local accomplice they say these individuals will be charged or will be prosecuted and will be sentenced but this crime took place in istanbul if saudi arabia is not going to put these people on trial the turkish judiciary can do that here in istanbul and through our ministry of justice we have launched an appeal in written form through official channels that turkey is ready to put these individuals on trial here in turkey and we will be expecting answers to these questions and here's what the saudi foreign minister abdullah had to say about turkey's request for the suspects to be extradited. on the issue of extradition to individuals who saudi nationals to detain and sundry with investigation since her and they will be prosecuted in tundra.
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let's bring in our guests joining us on skype from amman adam kugel i'm middle east research at human rights watch in washington d.c. leon fresco a former u.s. department of justice official an international legal expert and from johannesburg also on skype rodney dixon international lawyer and co-author of a un report back in january that documented detentions in saudi arabia a warm welcome to you all i want to begin with rodney dixon in johannesburg the state prosecutor the top legal official from saudi arabia is in turkey what is that about what meetings is he taking what's likely to be discussed with his turkish counterparts. so you sort of see looking to get what ever evidence they used liberal to take forward there's. supposed to geisha in and prosecution in saudi arabia but tick tick peak question is whether
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if any evidence is carried it will be used to study investigate the case and prosecutor it properly. and to the very highest level wherever they have it it's leads it's so those meetings it's taking place as you say you did say i suppose that. investigation what do you phase about the investigation. well we we don't know exactly what investigation has been going to take it the track record of saudi arabia in conducting investigations is that everything happens in secret people are detained without knowing where they are trials are held that on not open public and transparent so we we don't know exactly what is going on and i'm like you too and hence the need to look at conducting this investigation or prosecution outside of saudi arabia where temple is properly scrutinized and where the world wouldn't know
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what has happened so we can get to the bottom of it let's bring more cindy say hedley on fresco on your head to our guest in johannesburg saying perhaps it shouldn't be held in either saudi arabia or turkey but somewhere else and see anyway a fair and transparent trial may well take place do you agree with that. well i mean there are many people calling for a u.n. investigation either to respect the rapid to or order one of the commission set up and that would be the way that you would get to the highest level of assurance that that investigation was a proper one but you would still have the problem of needing the cooperation of both turkey and saudi arabia to get to the highest levels so in order to get that to be accomplished you're going to need all of the other countries in the world putting pressure on turkey and saudi arabia to cooperate with such an investigation and on the un to hold such an investigation and so were many weeks away it seems like from getting to that level where we would actually have a u.n.
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investigation and countries cooperating and we may never get there and so what you're likely to see are these hybrid investigations from both thirty and saudi arabia let's bring in oman head and adam kugel adam you've studied the reason for a very long time why is it so difficult to guess to get a fair trial in saudi arabia or to saudi arabian just legal system look like. well the human rights watch has spent many years documenting the the major shortcomings of the saudi criminal justice system our analysis is based on years of study both ongoing trials of saudi human rights activists as well as interviews with prisoners several years ago in a saudi prison as well as most recently a series of interviews with pakistanis who had been through the saudi criminal justice system and then returned what we found and have found for many years is really alarming the saudi system frankly does not generally allow the lawyer at all
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during the investigation phase so people are often detained and put in a room with an investigator and sometimes coerced or pressured to sign confessions those confessions then become the major piece of evidence presented against the defendant in court in addition the people that we interviewed especially for minor crimes would often sit in jail for many months not knowing where their case was in process then be suddenly drug before a judge who it essentially present them their pre-determined verdict and asked them whether they wanted to challenge it if they did want to challenge it they often went back to jail waited for however many more months not knowing what was going to happen they would be dragged back to court again and offer the same verdict to sign or try to present a defense so nearly all cases the people that we interviewed determined that it was better to just take the take the sentence that was determined in advance and that
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was better than staying in jail indefinitely so we been we've been documented these due process violations for many many years the system itself you know for all the saudi cooling that the that it has an independent judiciary we just haven't seen that play out on the ground especially the high level trials of human rights activists and political dissidents the result seen very much cooked up in advance saudi arabia has capital punishment in some cases people are beheaded using a sort. nearly six hundred executions since the beginning of two thousand and fourteen a third of those for non violent drug related crimes. is this a high for even for state capital punishment. is the beheadings for you. to go in on a cruel form of punishment. yeah absolutely the in terms of executions human rights watch opposes all executions because of the inherent cruelty of finality of the punishment but even under international human rights law
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you can make an argument that the method of execution public beheading or private beheading or a firing squad those are the three that we know of you know would essentially perhaps violate saudi arabia's obligations as a signatory to the convention against torture by causing pain before the before the person dies particularly in the event the gruesome of that that the first sword swing does not does not fully decapitate the person and we see videos of that happening and it's frankly very disturbing so in terms of the executions the method is a problem and the fact that they execute so many individuals for peaceful drug related crimes primarily the crime of smuggling drugs into the country under international human rights law this is this is something that that is that is prohibited executions can only be carried out for the most serious crimes and in this case. saudi arabia unfortunately has a lot to has a lot to answer for it's
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a fairly bleak picture you have painted of the saudi arabian legal system that i want to speak to rodney dixon in johannesburg probably is that anyway because of the nature of the because the world will be watching that the saudis will play this by the book that the saudis will introduce laws or even a legal system that allowed them to seek and be up to international standards simply because the world is watching. well i mean one can never say never but so far they haven't shown any commitment and resolve to do that and plus there's this known track record that we've all highlighted so the far better approach now would be for the international community to insert the process taking place outside of saudi arabia with that country cooperating if they want to show that they are committed to resolving this they can do that through corporations and pull the
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proceedings today and be internationalized so that everyone can view them and be sure that all necessary safeguards are in place and also this must be stressed so that they best a geisha can not just sent on those people who travel to stumble but look at the powers behind it and where this was ordered that that can only be done through the first occasion that it has the necessary determination to follow that through it is most of my to be in the extreme in fact that that could be done in saudi arabia itself would be the government investigating itself which is not going to have to let's bring in liam frost go ahead from washington d.c. if the investigation won't be fair in saudi arabia president of the want of turkey is insisting that the suspects be tried in turkey have a techie doesn't have
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a great human rights record but it has an open legal system that's transparent on most accounts do you think i mean trial in turkey would be an ideal solution. well the complication with the trial in turkey is twofold number one president there go on has done some crackdowns on some cards and lawyers and turkey that casts some doubt on the idealism of turkey as a venue and then second you have the intersection of the issue of a turkish domestic chord but saudis doing activities within a diplomatic enclave and you know people coming in with diplomatic authorities and that's why if you create one of these international tribunals or you were to go to the international criminal court or the international court of justice to resolve this then that international tribunal wouldn't have to deal with these issues of the in their play between domestic turkish law and international law with regard to
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what can take place in an embassy who has jurisdiction etc there's going to be too many and there intern a turf wars between turkey and saudi arabia if there was a prosecution in turkey and so that's why the fairest the way to get that resolved is the have it in the international tribunals out and let me bring you in head and go in amman turkey as human rights record what's the will see up shall they what's the what's for you the real concerns well in terms of turkey i think that the previous guest articulated that very well we have seen aired one move against courts and judges and individuals that were perceived to be in any way not aligned with everyone so i think that we do have some concern concerns about the. fairness of the process in the case of turkey and in addition obviously any turkey has it has it quite a terrible track record on freedom of expression related issues and it's the
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leading and has been the leading jailer of journalists in the world for quite a few years now. let's bring in jonathan head and. wrote in texan rodney i just want to ask you this question you know you're insisting the only a free trial can tie play somewhere internationally just talk us through what that could look like is it the international criminal court is it means of course of justice went or is there another way of doing it do you think. it will tookie does certainly have jurisdiction and that is one option but given the sensitivities in the profile of all of this case another option that should be looked at is an international court there's the i.c.c. the magic could really go before it on the basis of a security council referral and the incident in istanbul the mistake that they would have to be placed in a wider context of other crimes that are being committed in saudi arabia with
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widespread and systematic crimes but this certainly evidence of that so the court there it could have jurisdiction all one could look at an ad hoc arrangement and talk international which an accord with the assistance of turkey and insisting on saudi arabia's cooperation this is absolutely full of the lockerbie trial for example where specialized force can be set up given the problems of the chase and involving all countries to ensure that they call for a provide evidence and then an international what you know what international body that determines it's a little frisky let me just ask you this question the investigation wherever the trial takes place the world's eyes will be on as we've said however is this about protecting the crown prince mohammed bin salman which is why the saudis are insisting that the trial take place in saudi arabia. yeah i think the big
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issue is going to be the ideal outcome for many nations in this not just saudi arabia will be something that provides an accountability at almost every level except that the highest levels and so that seems to be the arrangement that people are drawing the prearranged here is that have a level of due process of investigation that allows everybody to to appear are satisfied and claim victory but not to otherwise these stabilize the arrangements that it seems that people around the world are comfortable with with regard to the saudi government because of that that's what's making the likelihood of these international tribunals far less likely than they would be in another case what's the view in washington d.c. amongst your colleagues amongst the people you speak to is there any way that saudi arabia. can host a trial like this and make it work since
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a lot of and he saudi rhetoric coming from certainly from some parts of congress at the moment over this so. in the u.s. there is certainly of you in this. sure well i think there's a lot of skepticism about both the crime the coverup and the investigation the problem is that that skepticism comes from the congress and comes from reporters and comes from non-governmental organizations but at the end of the day it's not coming from the white house because it's not coming from the white eve you need a security council referral for an investigation you're not going to get one if the saudi government is doing what appears to be a credible job of moving forward with a credible investigation and by credible i mean passing a minimum threshold not meeting a threshold of perfection and that's where it gets complicated is i think that the
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administration here in washington is trying to arrange a solution that allows the crown prince to say phase by that piers to be credible with regard to all of the other actors in the investigation dixon you've mentioned this earlier you don't think that the trial will lead all the way up to the top let's just say that's. what you'll real concern when it comes to a cover up but do you fear that the may well be a cover up when it comes to any trial being taken taking place in saudi arabia. yes i mean that's the fear that many people are expressing throughout the international community and across the board that what we're seeing here is an attempt to try to divert attention from the necessary recitation but they should be taking place looking at following it all the way up the chain of command as happens in
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a. formal investigation of the take according to international standards and if if if that is blocked if there's if that doesn't happen there's going to be great dissatisfaction not any strong there are as close to this but across the board throughout many different countries and many leaders have said they're not prepared to take on saudi arabia in terms of cutting arms deals there since they'll do other things well this is one thing they can definitely do insist on a fairer and comprehensive investigation that will leave. i'm on the go ahead you had well over the guests are saying about the investigation of the trial needing to be even in a third party place all transparency within saudi arabia itself you studied the region for a very long time you old faithful the a fair trial won't take place is that any prussia that human rights watch
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international n.g.o.s can put on saudi arabia right now or is saudi arabia simply too far too big. well saudi arabia unfortunately is one of those countries that's historically been fairly impervious to international pressure they've always had you know quite quite a bit of their own. ability to determine their own affairs without the say of outsiders or even the opinion of outsiders however we see that that maybe shifting a little bit given the current circumstances the fact that the king and the crown prince especially are really attempting to burnish the country's image internationally at least they were prior to the affair and the fact that they're trying to get get so much investment from american and european and other actually investors around the world really so they're keen to present the country in a positive manner however given the history of the saudi criminal justice system
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and the behavior saudi prosecutors i don't really have much faith that the investigation would be transparent and would be conducted in any manner that accords with international standards you know we think in order for this whole process to be credible we really do need some sort of independent probably un led international investigation in order to to really look expose all of the different important aspects of this case especially the command responsibility who ultimately is responsible for setting this in motion and how high does it go within the saudi leadership unfortunately given a saudi led investigation it's really difficult. i think it'll be really difficult for us to determine that and it's human rights watch and his other human rights organizations we're certainly going to be there to call attention to the deficiencies of the saudi led investigation if that takes place the saudi state media insisting that any legal proceedings any trial will be fair and will be
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transparent and also dealt with that the foreign minister said it will take place in saudi arabia this in turn. saudi arabian matter i want to bring in just very quickly we are running out of time but just very quickly. why is there this disconnect between what some parts of congress want and the trumpet ministration it's not just about deals it's a it's a much more it seems to be a much more personal thing for the white house sure i think that there are the relationships both between the president and jarrad pushed her and crown prince i think they really viewed the crown prince as someone who would be a stable ally in the middle east and would allow the administration to achieve its objectives without you know through the entire middle east both with iran with the middle east peace process. and the last thing they want to do is created this stabilizing of and that leaves the administration with far fewer allies in the
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middle east and so they really want the beers what they want is they really want this to have the veneer of accomplished investigation but i don't think they want to get to the point where if the ultimate perpetrators of this were the saudi royal family the leadership then i don't think that they want to disrupt the relationship to the point that they are disturbing the status quo of the way they want to proceed with middle eastern relations just very quickly rodney dixon and hannahs but. if it's not afraid if it's a fair and fair trial in saudi arabia if there's no. international investigation international trial any result will be questioned is that right. yes i think. major question already and those will only be magnified if we end up in a situation where the process takes place entirely within saudi arabia where we
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don't actually know what is going on and where the best occasion doesn't reach all the way up to the top there and explore all of the available evidence or putin's chemical from to all of gas thank you very much adam kugel and rodney dixon and thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting a website al-jazeera dot com and for further discussion go to our facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash asia inside story and you can also join the conversation on twitter or handle is at a.j. inside story for me among current and the whole team head by the now.
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. this is al jazeera. you're watching the news hour live from the headquarters and i'm terry navigator coming up in the next sixty minutes turkish media report that the saudi consul station chief visited the belgrade forest outside istanbul the day before.
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hours made statements regarding genocide and his desire to kill jewish people u.s. investigators reveal more details about the man charged with killing eleven people at a synagogue and pittsburgh it's a two man race in brazil as voters go to the polls to choose their next president and i'm here to stand with all your school's fans pay tribute to the owner but there's still no confirmation as to whether he was on board is helicopter which crashed off of a game on saturday night. but . we begin with developments from istanbul on the case of murdered saudi journalist . turkish police have now revealed that the saudi consul station chief in istanbul went to a forest north of the city a day before he was murdered let's go live to charles stratford in istanbul what
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are we to make of this latest development charles. i'll be. well these according to police sources that i've spoken to the daily newspaper which is a pro-government newspaper here in turkey saying that they have the name of the station chief of the consulate here who they say was part of that team referred to by president to won't last week who were police here saying went up to that area the belgrade forest which is north of istanbul a day before the show she went into the embassy. and in mr irwin's woods seemingly on some sort of recognizance mission with the implication that they may well have been looking for a place to bury because shawn g.'s body the name of this man the station chief since two thousand and fifteen here is a man called ahmed moves a knee now we understand that he is not part of the fifteen member team that came
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here on the day that can show he was killed and then left the same day we can all confirm whether indeed he is part of the eighteen people who the saudis have a rested and we can only understand that they have actually been questioned by saudi prosecutors but of course this. just adds more intrigue to this to this crisis to this investigation and one can only imagine that this man will move zain he will be the focus of the questions by the to the saudi prosecutor tomorrow we understand that the prosecutors say he's arriving imminently and will be visiting here at the consulate and the consul general is home but certainly this very interesting development specifically all space especially because as i say the police have released a name and it seems as if this man was very much an integral part of the consulates operation for three years or so now and you mentioned the saudi arabian prosecutor
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general who is due to arrive in turkey very soon how do we expect that meeting to go. well certainly everything that president on the turkish president said earlier this week one can imagine that the turkey side of this investigation the turkish prosecutor meeting the saudi prosecute they're going to want some ounces. president or to one say that basically you have eighteen men that you have a rested in saudi arabia surely one will more than one all of this group knows where the body is so there's going to be focus on getting as much information from the saudi prosecutor in terms of the questions of the information that they have gathered so far there's also we understand is going to be great emphasis and interest in what's being described as these local cooperate or collaborate who it's be never pulled seed may well have handled. body of course this was reported by the
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saudis so that the turks are still questioning whether in fact this person actually exists as we heard the language from the president or the one last week was very strong he described the saudi explanation of. their side of the story in terms of being killed as an accident died in a being choked never meant to happen these were rogue elements and that the crown prince had nothing to do with with this with this operation but very strong in his language calling the saudi leadership childish saying that their excuses were comical and that they were being irresponsible so we can we can expect that so obviously the turks it would be very interested to hear exactly what the saudis have found out so far and let's not forget as well that there was a not too veiled warning by the president who said basically the turks have more information they have more evidence and they say they will reveal that when they
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see fit it could be very interesting whether in fact that use the opportunity over the saudi prosecutor being paid to indeed reveal all leaks some of that information to the turkish and international media here all right fred thank you. well it was only last week when donald trump for the first time hinted at the possible involvement of the saudi crown prince mohammed bin some men in a murder experts believe trumpet ministrations hesitance in directly implicating the crown prince of the saudi royal family has a lot to do with his administration's strategy on iran our diplomatic editor james bass explains. many of the faces of the trumpet ministration have changed the first national security adviser michael flynn lasted less than a month and will be sentenced for lying to the f.b.i. later this year but one item of trump's foreign policy has been very consistent as
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of today we are officially putting iran on notice the iran nuclear deal was one of the main achievements of president obama's eight years in office it took years of negotiation led in the final stages by his secretary of state john kerry officials from three e.u. countries as well as china and russia. earlier this year president trump made good on his campaign promises and pulled out of the deal most of the u.s. is closest allies continue to back the iran deal the only support for trump's move came from israel and from saudi arabia mohamed bin salmon became saudi crown prince in june last year strongly backed by the u.s. he's tried to portray himself as a reformer in the region while highlighting iran's involvement in conflicts in syria and in yemen however it's actually saudis air war that has cost the majority of lives in yemen and experts say the murder of jamal khashoggi goes
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a long way to destroy the carefully constructed saudi narrative test exposes the fact that the united states does have a very glaring double standard that it because of its ties to saudi arabia which are partly based on the hopes of working with the saudis and the israelis in the amur audience and others against iran that the administration is willing to allow mohammedan saw monta get away literally with murder the decision to pull out of the nuclear deal and the tightening of sanctions which is continuing are hurting iran but the truck plan to isolate the country will only work with the help of key allies particularly. in europe for now they haven't been one of james but zero at the united nations it's one of the worst attacks on the jewish community in u.s. history the city of pittsburgh is a morning after a forty six year old man opened fire in
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a synagogue killing eleven were surprise on saturday the oldest among them was ninety seven years old suspect robert bowers now in custody is facing twenty nine charges over the gun attack ours will appear in court on monday the police say he spoke of genocide and a desire to kill jewish people bowers was armed with multiple weapons he had three glock three fifty seven handguns and an a ar fifteen assault rifle inside the synagogue our shot and killed eleven individuals and wounded two others police officers and swat teams responded quickly to the scene and our shot at them ultimately four police officers were injured and three of them were shot by bowers during the course of his deadly assault on the people the synagogue bowers made statements regarding genocide and his desire to kill jewish people after a standoff with police powers eventually surrendered and remains in federal custody today lied to and gallagher in pittsburgh so what are the charges against bowers
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and d. and what's the focus of the investigation. well there are twenty nine charges as you said many of them relating to weapons charges eleven charges of murder of course and the rest of the charges almost thirteen related to hate crimes and now we know that the suspected shooter will appear in court on monday and he does actually now face the death penalty when the president spoke shortly after the shooting happened on saturday he said that he hopes he does get the death penalty if convicted and call for unity across the country but of course at the moment the focus here is really on those eleven victims the ninety seven year old lady that you were mentioning was actually a holocaust survivor which is a really heartbreaking piece of detail that we learned this morning there was also two brothers and a married couple but let's just hear what the mayor of pittsburgh has to say about how this city will come together and heal we know that hatred will never win out
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that those that try to divide us because of the way that we pray or where our families are from around the world will lose in pittsburgh we're pragmatic and we find solutions to problems we will not try to rationalize irrational behavior we will not try to figure out ways in order to lessen the degree of crimes such as this we will work to eradicate it. so the synagogue will remain closed for about a week as forensic investigators gather evidence they say they found shell casings all throughout that three story building which shows you the measures that the suspected shooter went to much of the investigation will also focus on his social media online activity he was reportedly using a web site popular with the so-called right in which he railed against the jews in general and in particular a local organization here in pittsburgh that helped resettle immigrants saying that
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they were bringing people over here and were responsible for a holocaust those are the words of the suspected shooter he has a said will appear in court on monday the authorities moving very fast on this case and it's important to remember this is according to the anti-defamation league the worst attack on the jewish community in u.s. history all right and gallagher thank you well vigils are being held in several major cities across the u.s. and christian salumi is joining us from one of the taking place right now in brooklyn new york so what's been the reaction amongst the jewish community there. but there's been a huge outpouring of sympathy and support for the victims in pittsburgh i love only here in new york but really all across the country there been vigils taking place right behind me one is getting ready to get underway sponsored by jewish new things in the area but it's not just jews who are coming out and showing their support and solid.

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