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tv   Michelle Bachelet  Al Jazeera  December 2, 2018 10:32pm-11:02pm +03

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michael. in the world is all. you see. is the u.n. headquarters in new york she's just taken over one of the most challenging jobs in the world the former chilean president michelle but she is the new u.n. high commissioner for human rights but because show dream the wars in yemen and in syria and the plight of the rohingya and myanmar are among the top issues on her agenda as the u.n. prepares to mark a key milestone is the world backsliding on human rights globally un high commissioner for human rights. talks to al-jazeera.
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we show a high commissioner for human rights thank you for talking to al-jazeera we're going to talk about the concerns of human rights around the world now but i'd like to start this interview by going back seventy years in history when this rather remarkable document was signed the universal declaration of human rights very briefly tell me why this was important than and is still important now and well you know the world has gone through two wars with all the consequences and also gone through a very very i would say grave economic depression so everybody was saying how can we ensure that this will never happen again so they decided to set which where the princess. and the main balance that every human being should have which
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were their main rights they were to have everywhere doesn't matter where he lived just for the for the recent to be human be and that's the main issue. it set a. set of standards that i think were important yesterday and continue to be important today if you look at the world some people could say when you look so many new terrible news many times. that was just the paper nothing happened with it but it's not true because we have a balance on this seventy year still we have problems but can you imagine seventy years ago we had in many places of the world colonialism slavery apartheid women couldn't vote only in some countries they could board i mean they were so women were dying well given birth in thousands and thousands still we have the problem but as this minister so there has been progress made but you see there's been progress. in recent years have we been sliding backwards let me read you the words
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of one of his last speeches of your predecessors so you'd rather. he said oppression is fashionable again the security state is barack and fundamental freedoms are in retreat in every region of the world you face a big challenge as you know the list my son that attack and and there are some pushback some human rights to it gives me the impression that sometimes when some leaders of the world speak. relativizing human rights and saying that or multilateralism other feel like that's a license to say it so particularly if the most powerful leader in the world president trumpets what i'm saying at the many leaders because sometimes you know when you see in some parts of europe for example this anti my. tendency or center for or dislike semitic believes you feel that something has happened even a cunt. you were never thought about that i mean maybe we took for granted that much of the progress will be forever and the only but i'm not pessimistic i mean i
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don't give up i believe we need to push back on the pushback we need to ensure that women's rights are really protected and and and ensure we need to continue to progress in that good to be a people who love their lives freely and without fear so people want to live freely and in peace but as a young woman you couldn't do that under the dictatorship of general pinochet in your country. i know that your father was arrested and died in custody you and your mother were also arrested given that experience of a time of human rights abuse how does that now help you do this job or the first think thing i would like to highlight is that living and haven't been raised in a democracy i think that for granted i thought that was normal then when we had the experience of the dictatorship we learned that there was not like that that we needed to the for democracy to ensure that it could continue i could tell that
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little anecdote i had a meeting with with some n.g.o.s in our sky commissioner and there was this people who are the floor and he said to me i'm so happy that you were in jail and tortured so i say come on i know what he meant he meant you i mean we're not telling what happened to art to somebody who could understand the only sort of rationality or directly i mean you know what we're talking about but on the other hand i have had the other experience of being in office of bailing government so i think both experiences bring me some some understanding profound and deep understanding of the complexities of these issues on one hand on the importance of respecting and protecting and promoting human rights but on the other hand i do understand how people make decisions what are the obstacles some. times and how we can deal with that how i can engage government to solve both problems you probably
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get some understanding of some of the worst places on earth for example syria you read through this universal declaration and you would not forgive the people of syria for the last seven and a half years to say none of this applies to there where you have had an awful awful time has the international community and the u.n. failed the people of syria you know for me is a particularly. painful because i was here during women when this started and i was so like because i'm a doer of course i think i can think i have thoughts but i because have been enough executive power i really like to think how can we do things faster how can we try to identify a solutions that could permit first of all there was a prevent because sometimes there are early warnings and when you identified those early warning signs if you have not only early warning signs but early action you
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could prevent so that's for me is i'm not sure if you can say that the u.n. has failed i think that everyone has failed i mean because it has been so complicated i mean they trashed community as a whole the u.n. is the international community member states that are are engaged. with syria on the different parts so i feel that i hope that. that conflict ends that because it has been so many so many casualties not only death people but also injured and also i mean until now you could tell there are people killed because of airstrikes and on the other hand it's. geishas had done that in aleppo chemical weapons have been used again now from the armed. mental forces against civilians so i think we need to work harder i know the people who have been there
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on the ground working trying to do their best we need to continue doing our best to stop that war from and how do you get accountability for these awful crimes in syria because since this was produced seventy years ago we had another important development which is the international criminal court which came into being a war operation at least about fifteen years ago and yet the route to that court is blocked the security council russia and china have used their veto is there a problem here with accountability and are you ever going to stop human rights abuses on the scale if you don't have accountability the thing is that even though we haven't had access directly to syria we have been monitoring from lebanon. and so we have information that we have been sort of consolidating and we have a lot of information that when the moment comes to national to winners or international or if it the i.c.c.
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it's considered is under its jurisdiction we will provide all that information after a conflict in many countries there comes a period of transitional justice i mean and that's very important to be able to ensure accountability mechanism. how that transitional justice goals how it develops will depend on the each country for example chile had one more that during their south africa had another colombia peace agreement had another but it will be there will be transitional justice and there will be people held accountable so one side one person has been in charge throughout this president assad yes do you think president assad will stand trial eventually should he stand trial there should be. accountable mechanisms at work in syria because not only governmental forces have done a lot of things also. i social and other groups but what i do
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believe is that it accountability is needed if you wore a piece to be sustainable given the appalling nature of what's been going on in syria it is quite awful to think there's actually a country. where the humanitarian situation right now is even worse and it's yemen again a manmade situation do you think war crimes are being committed in yemen we think that has been and are we have heard also you know a group of experts who have gone to yemen and they have identified. some maims of eventual perpetrators and we have it under ours. our security we have it in a secure place so in some minute when. this when if again there will be accountability mechanism and we could bring that information to to the tribunal will deal with it and we'll continue working on that group of experts has been
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renewed for one more year we hope they have access to the ground because sometimes they correlation has said there we have not been impartial. our team i mean the experts are independent they don't depend on us we don't write the report they write it and they're write it because they have to be many people but they haven't had access to ten minutes so they have asked to the wound and that is something i said to all the members who don't let us to go into it if we're the have access to the ground we'll be able to hear also your part otherwise we'll have to report on the information we get what i have already urge all the parties to stop to stop these. this acts that produce so many civilians there and also starvation i mean fourteen million people with i mean indiaman so many children died of starvation we keep seeing in yemen the coalition bombing medical facilities and killing
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children. is this acceptable is the targeting acceptable of course not it's completely unacceptable and that's why we have insisted to stop to stop this this i mean to avoid doing any act that could mean casualties on civilians and children we have been calling all the parties to stop the restriction they're putting in terms they're living with humanitarian forces go there with food or other supplies of course the coalition is led by saudi arabia and i want to mention something else about saudi arabia which is clearly the murder of the journalist jamal khashoggi in the saudi consulate in istanbul do you think from all the information submerged including the assessment by the cia that the saudi crown prince mohammed bin salman was aware of the murder plot or even ordered it i cannot affirm it neither discard what i think it's needed it's an. investigation with
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external. investigators i mean the investigation done only by the turkish and the saudi government is something that people would not rely on on their findings so we need a photo id and transparent investigation that gives us the whole picture or who should be accountable not only on the particular moment but also and all the chain of all of that if i may say is it time for the un to set up an investigation i think it is time i mean i don't have that in my mouth monday i don't know the secretary general to do that well we i think they're looking at which are the best ways of doing it but i think they should be an international and because we cannot do criminal investigation you need you need to be sure which are the mechanism that can that can do that i have asked the. un secretary general to to look for which
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are the best mechanism to go into another part of the un human rights system the special rapporteur on extrajudicial killing dr agnes come out recently told me in her assessment that saudi arabia is culpable whether the king knew whether the crown prince knew because of the suspects they have in custody there was so senior they had such an important role in the security sector in saudi arabia that saudi as a country is culpable do you agree with that assessment probably yes i mean. i you know there i mean i think this is the kind of things that have their three of our special report the one on freedom of expression their one on on on torture and the one on extrajudicial killing the one you just mentioned to call for a international quality because they think that probably it is comparable. are you
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worried that there will be pushback from saudi arabia both on this case and on the war in yemen i'm going to recall to you something that you know very well which is two years ago the children the non-conflict blacklist bang ki-moon the then secretary general put the saudi led coalition on that list they then threatened to pull out their money from humanitarian projects for the u.n. and he had to take them off does this not having done that threaten the independence of u.n. human rights procedures you know in the history of the u.n. we have seen. of countries of member states from some going to say sions and also quitting the finance. that should then be taking in us i mean it is a threat but i don't think you should anyone's arms clearly for us it want tie our arms well we'll do what we need to do if we find out that there are some
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byelection of clear byelection human rights that are very far and that we can identify the perpetrators will will do what we need to do because it can we cannot be tied because of those kind of threats this is a very live debate as you know here in the united states and president trump has made it clear that saudi investment and trade is the most important thing does it worry you that the u.s. is coming up with a position where money trumps human rights unfortunately money does. importance in many countries when they make those kind of the situations i would prefer that ethics will be the way you define things in the country. and. because i understand i mean any country and every country in mind we needed to tray we need to do a lot of things but you also need to understand which are the limits without the red line. for it so i know now there is
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a huge discussion in in parliament here about if continue in supporting and selling arms and so on and i hope there are democratic institutions here define what's the best for the us interest but you know that president trump does everything in a transactional manner you talk about ethics and the ideals of this document but i hazard a guess the president trump has never read this probably doesn't even know it exists why i cannot say that i have naive idea if he knows that are not but of course. he made his decision his own way but the us leadership on human rights from the very early days seventy years ago coming up with this has been vital has it not it has been a real spell player i mean she was not probably the only one but she was one of the very important people in the drafting of their declaration and in their history the
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united states has been always very keen and temp any human rights and do you think the change in u.s. position potentially is in bold and being other countries whether it's chris shoji whether it's russian agents using chemical weapons in the u.k. or israeli soldiers shooting at protesters on the gaza border people don't fear the backlash that perhaps they did in the past well the u.s. as a country has been very important as a big leadership and has been very influential with other countries always of course it does have a consequence and one of those issues of course is migration and we've seen the u.s. recently the president be very critical of those who are approaching the southern border saying they're dangerous they are terrorists what does this make you think i believe that migrants can and of course. refugees that are in
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a bury particular difficulty and there are seldom seekers that people can come to be for tacitly to every country and they haven't done it yet they did it in my country and in many places of the world of course country have to deal sometimes with internal issues they have to be able to go to the bell of some policies to be able to i would say. to be able to give those my parents a good possibility i understand if tomorrow you are in a city and comes five thousand people you probably are not going to be able to accommodate that in the most perfect way but so it's good to sort of have clear rules how to ensure that migration that is a story. issues not just now will be there right so the people will be protected you can understand always and a huge group they might be some people who are not. may be perfect though they even
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can add some not good records by the huge my attic are real normal people who are flying from buyers in security poverty and looking for other opportunities and i'm really concerned of course that if the presidential decision on putting our forces on the frontier next to g one and if that emerging tear gas yes there isn't tear gas but now there's the presidential decision says that it could also be used a little force in case the patrols of the border would be endangered and one of the promise that when you have all those when you are have access to legal force sometimes we have seen in many parts of the world that their use in a disproportionate way because the real threat is not as big as you know the result of using little force so i'm really concerned that our people there is on the ground people from our office mexico and people we sent from diva to see
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what are the conditions of the my when's and to put their reporting us daily on how things are developing you were one of quite a rare breed which is a head of state a world leader but also a woman which is a unique perspective among that very small club was or is the state councilor of myanmar i'm saying suchi who was a hero to human rights world a former political prisoner can i ask you are you disappointed in her given the violence that we've seen in her country violence that maybe on the edge of genocide i would have expected. that she could be vocally. and through actions. tried to the us march as possible to stop that violence against or even just from happening. i know that sometimes leaders
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cannot do everything because they don't have the whole power but i believe and i would have liked to see her standing up on those people's rights and on the other hand i would also call all countries who are thinking on her part trading loss for us to wrecking state again to hold up and not doing it because there are no conditions for them to come back there was were destroyed they'll have a house now we still have more than one hundred thousands of people they're living in in like an internal displacement sort of camps in precarious conditions and on the other hand if you don't if you don't solve the root causes of the migration i mean it's very difficult for them to come back if the have free movement in their rights are not respected still violence and rapes going on there and so we have made also a statement calling to bangladesh to not to call it still the reply to
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a ship because they're not conditions for them to go back there and they will their human rights will continue to be by it let me take you at the end back to this document seventy years ago the universal declaration of human rights thirty articles that outlawing all the rights that everyone on earth should have been doing a somewhat unscientific straw poll of ambassadors here at the united nations and asking them if this didn't exist if it was introduced now would you get this through the general assembly and the rather sad conclusion of nearly everyone i've spoken to is probably not well i have to tell you that i have said the same in many meetings and the true it will be approved next week if it would be that they're needed. the two are the chlorination. but on the other hand because there are some sometimes some false arguments that this our european values i mean first of all
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this our main value for any human being and second the drafters there was a commissioner not only or europeans of western no there were indians there were chinese there were latin american and there were people from all over the world as a lot of thought went chilean one or not and then something of one of the import them was an indian women most because you know it was written not human rights it sets the rights of men because at that time men included women i mean it's not that in the concept of the time and there was this women in there women she said no it has to be all human beings because otherwise governments will use it against women too to restrict restraint their rights so so it's very interesting because sometimes used with false arguments this are better but the sad story is that we would be able maybe to approve the same maybe something of
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a different but the same it wouldn't be because there are so many arguments sometimes people just defies human rights violations say because we're doing a counter-terrorist of policy or of a country say this is my sovereignity so you don't have to come and interfere with my the stations or others or say i have to feed the people first then i have to care for their political and civil rights and i do believe that the universal declaration and the human rights even if there would be no universal declaration. that exist i believe they're all in universal there or in interdependent and you cannot choose ok i will do five and next year i will do other three and so on i mean you why be going gradually because every country don't have the money to some. times ensure to everyone everything but you need to know that human beings deserve all the slides to be respected protected and promoted un high commissioner
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for human rights michelle bustling thank you for talking to us to thank you so much . to. cut. the strength of al jazeera is that because we have such an extensive network people were coming to us and actually shared information with the al-jazeera team into them once held in one of australia's toughest detention centers now
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a world renowned surgeon one when he's follows dr moon. as returns to his hometown baghdad to give amputees the hope of walking again on al-jazeera. hello i'm maryam namazie and london just a quick look at the top stories for you now the french president emanuel macron has ordered his prime minister to hold talks with those leading anti-government protests that paralyzed paris on saturday more than one hundred thirty people were injured and over two hundred arrested in the worst unrest in the french capital for a decade they were chasing reports now from paris. as soon as his plane touched down the twenty summit in argentina present emmanuel macro went directly to inspect the damage at the ark to trail afterwards he walked over to greet police and
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firefighters who were on the front lines of the writing for so many hours on the because shouted macro resign. from the cripples the problem is michael loves the poor fool the buses the bankers he loves the rich people. come and talk to the people stop talking about the violence and said with tears then it was the lease a palace for an emergency cabinet session on the crisis a spokesman said reintroducing the state of emergency from earlier this year was not discussed the president called on his prime minister edward felipe to invite party members in parliament and representatives of the demonstrators for talks the real damage was caused by what's being described by police as a handful of extremists determined to confront them and cause as much trouble as they could yellow vests rebel.


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