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up here towards the northeast over the next couple days not looking too bad here on sunday you can see the clouds extending up here toward central china down here we're going to be seeing rain across parts of vietnam but as we go towards monday it's going to be on the increase we're going to see more heavy rain up towards the north and out here towards east for joe a rainy day for you at seventy shanghai may see the rain later in the day with the top there of about nine degrees there but over here towards hong kong it's going to be mostly cloudy with a temperature of twenty two well public is making its way towards the west as i mentioned and we're still going to sing some residual moisture in thailand myanmar but it's going to be the nicobar and adamant islands that we are going to be watching in terms of flooding next where we could be seeing some very heavy rain across much of that area down here towards the south we'll call him poor is looking quite nice at thirty four degrees and staying at thirty four but we do expect that the moisture is going to be on the increase as we go towards monday and here across parts of india we are looking at a few clouds up here towards the north but for new delhi we're going to be seeing a temperature a few of nineteen degrees down towards the south it is going to be about thirty
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degrees in colombo inch knife probably cloudy at twenty eight degrees. the weather sponsored by qatar airways. and on terror begins with downtown but it does not in there no terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat than the regime of saddam hussein and a regime that has something to how are they had here a significant propaganda operation and guess what not one w m d shite was found in iraq since the one nine hundred ninety one iraq a deadly deception on al-jazeera.
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and these are the top stories right now of the u.s. government shutdown is dragging on into its fifteenth day with another round of negotiations failing to break the deadlock president donald trump tweeted there was no headway made but vice president mike pence says the meeting with democratic members was productive. u.s. national security adviser john bolton has warned the government the withdrawal of american troops is not a green light chemical weapons preparing to meet israeli and turkish leaders about trump's decision to pull out roughly two thousand u.s. soldiers from syria. police officer has died while trying to diffuse a bomb near a church in cairo called to the eastern suburb of nasr city when the suspicious package was found on a rooftop to other police were injured and that last. orthodox church of ukraine has officially split from its religious leadership and russia ecumenical patriarch in istanbul who is they worldwide head of the church as sign
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a document granting independence right marks a deepening religious divide stemming from political hostilities between the neighboring countries and reports. ukraine's orthodox churches gained their independence for. a move likely to infuriate two russian religious leaders. global split in the church days before the ceremony in istanbul the leader of the church. has been given to all for this operation he admitted to a group of children being given chocolates. by ukrainian president petro poroshenko . president poroshenko also has a chocolate factory even if the russian church is accusing me of being bribed with money to do this autocephaly in reality i didn't receive money because i got a lot of the sweets and chocolate from the factory apportioning go. according to an agreement made a centuries ago ukraine's orthodox churches have been under the jurisdiction of the
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churches of russia. but pressure has been growing for ukraine's churches to sever ties since the country became independent from russia in one thousand nine hundred one. and that pressure has been getting stronger since russia annexed crimea in twenty fourteen when large parts of eastern ukraine were taken over by russian backed forces and for fighting continues. crean's leadership headed by president petro poroshenko who's been attending saturday's ceremony accuses the russian controlled side of the church of spreading pro moscow propaganda a charge russia denies if you can see it there you dear ukrainians this is a historic event this is a great day i'm sure that it will go down in history for river. the document authorizing this operation known as the thomas will be taken back to crane on sunday the author docks christmassy
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a celebration is to be held in kiev the following day a celebration in the church as leaders in russia may not share what matters are dizzying. hungary are calling for a national strike and more protests over controversial labor reforms called a slave law by opponents. and demand wall. payments or a challenge reports. it's no secret what these hunger in protesters think of prime minister viktor orban. with christmas and year after the way thousands of people around on the streets again still angry at new laws passed by parliament in december. there was no coordination with the law was just pushed through in such a way that even the opposition could not have its voice heard we just saw on t.v. you know that this government with that two thirds majority can do what they want but we have to say stop now because people should not be treated like this in the
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working world. particularly hated is what's been called the slave labor code the two hours of overtime to the average working day increased government control of the court system is also unpopular as is state media which gives little airtime to what position parties. take it's interesting we disagree with almost everything that has been going on since this government goes into power and corruption to pseudo democracy and everything else mentioned at the protests the government doesn't represent the people. everybody has to have a voice here and that's not what's happening in hungary at the moment just a part of the population is represented. when they began in mid december government called the demonstrations the work of foreign forces and the liberal billionaire george soros. after winning a landslide election in april can say his party enjoys popular support.
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but these ongoing protests suggest opposition voices. are nice and they have been in years not all hungry ariens like way. he's taking his country. al-jazeera. richie is berlin bureau chief at the washington post he doesn't believe the protests are a threat to viktor or bonds government. well the government has a lot of tools in its arsenal and i think it's important to keep in context here the fact that this is still a government and prime minister who are very much in the driver's seat. of the government it already passed a number of years ago a very restrictive strike law that makes it very difficult for the unions to carry out winds wide scale shutdowns tronics and the government also of course really has a stranglehold on the media you're so in terms of what people are seeing. about these protests in terms of what hungary and outside of budapest are hearing about
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them a lot of people in the villages small towns small cities are hearing the government's point of view and only the government's point of view and so i think that the government has a lot of tools in the talks will be in the media if the strike law be it the fact that it still has this two thirds majority in the parliament which allows it to do whatever it pleases they today's protest was quite peaceful there were there was not any violence today in recent weeks there have been tear gas fired at several points when up when the protesters were trying to breach the perimeter of the parliament for instance in general the government is trying to have a light touch not resort to brute force tactics when it comes to suppressing dissent in hungary did they have other tactics under a more subtle and sleeker ways of suppressing descent but i think that is a question going into the coming months and just you know are we headed for a clash here and is this government going to be forced to use some heavier handed
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tactics than the kind that it typically uses and ministers have held an emergency meeting after the first tell of us protests of the new year turned violent they fired tear gas to disperse anti-government demonstrators in central paris thousands again protested that numbers are down since the first demonstrations eight weeks ago and began an opposition to the rise in fuel tax that now includes. wider demands for government reforms in serbia thousands of anti-government protesters have rallied for a fifth week there demanding media freedom an end to attacks on journalists and opposition figures rallies were triggered by an assault on an opposition politician by unknown assailants in november. the u.s. special envoy to yemen is back in that country trying to convince both sides in the civil war to fully comply with the cease fire agreement accusing each other of violating the truce or hope the warring sides will agree to meet later on this month possibly in kuwait as reports. an attempt at piecing together
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a broken ceasefire the u.s. envoy martin griffiths is back in yemen calling on warring sides to follow the truce they agreed to months of negotiations cracked within weeks he was met by cancer patients who demand the sunnah airport be reopened they are among the thousands of patients who cannot travel out of yemen for life saving treatments one of the many consequences of the ongoing war. we would like to tell the world that they are those who are besieging us in saunas and in the rest of the provinces that they are those who prevent us from water and medicine equipment facilities and medical devices every day we have six thousand passengers who cannot leave this airport. there have been reports of attacks and repeated violations a mother and her child were killed in the residential area of time at least sixteen people were injured by who the artillery shelling. on friday at least fifteen
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people were killed in clashes between yemen's u.a.e. backed forces and locals in the southern province of sabah of far cry from the expectations of a cease fire agreement signed in sweden on december eighteenth so. this is a was in the port city of the data the lifeline to deliver aid to the rest of the country protesters are calling on the un to one horse a full ceasefire and for yemen's government to follow it the accuse the saudi led coalition of carrying out low altitude flights over the city but the blame goes both ways the coalition accuses who the fighters of remaining in three ports. despite a previous agreement to leave. amid negotiations and unstable agreements the worst humanitarian crisis in recent history continues with more than fourteen million on the brink of famine. after yemen griffith's plans to
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visit saudi arabia to meet with exile yemeni president. to hogtie. u.s. secretary of state mike pumping the schedule to stop in riyadh and the u.a.e. next week the war in yemen will likely be at the top of the agenda was another attempt to enforce and ultimately save a fragile cease fire with lingering optimism that both sides will comply. al-jazeera. voters in the democratic republic of congo will have to wait another week to find out the preliminary results of last month's presidential election results are expected on sunday but they had the election commission says only forty seven percent of vote tally sheets have been received the poll was postponed in three opposition strongholds which led to protests and violence to opposition candidates martin violin felix educate a say they won the ruling party candidate men role should arias also claiming victory yes troops have been put on standby in case of election related violence
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jack bahati is a policy analyst for a civil society group called the africa faith and justice network he says people do not want foreign intervention in their election. any after it's collision in what is happening possible but again the call if people have to be vision or what if they won't be they can believe if they want trouble they can also be in trouble i would encourage the international community to be equally patient with the congolese people because i think it's not the news elections of democracy but the cobalt and other natural resources that are underneath the ground of conflict so any one from the national community who is trying to get involved need to be very careful because their involvement in the also on the life of the congo has been providing resources to their worries where developed countries for a long time and when you. intervention from the west it's not just because they
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want our own with. their doubts of what they do not want it today cobol is one of them you know that we need deals on the next generation of electric budgets and everyone. superpowers and companies have eyes on the congo so everything that is happening in the congo great to them so we do not know who's pulling which strings and who's not. place a made several arrests in the australian city of melbourne during a far right rally hundreds of officers kept a protest apart from a counter demonstration by anti-racism activists at the novak reports wasn't killed in melbourne is usually a place to relax at the beach not today instead a scene of far right nationalists facing off against left wing groups hurling insults across the police line with very different views of the kind of
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a stray leah in which they wish to live and immigration nationalists say they came out to protest against crime on the beaches which they blame on a stray leons of african descent ok doing the wrong thing and the stealing of forever hurt me all over we want to buy just but we want to draw back we want the lot but the sudanese australians in particular have been under scrutiny recently with local media airing reports referring to african gang violence but those who rallied in support of multiculturalism in australia say the minority group has been made a scapegoat for bigger issues i've lived in melbourne my whole life now there isn't a problem with african crime we have issues with us not having enough and guys aren't things today it's about the fact there's the fact that they tried to scapegoat it on africanus ryans is really disappointing only prior notice that the far right groups would be rallying at the beach and that counter protest would be staged in response to doing all they can to keep the two groups apart to prevent
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any escalation of physical violence the opposing sides moved from the beach front into the streets of st kilda shutting down roads as police maintained their lines using pepper spray at times to break up scalpels extraordinary scenes outside the iconic luna park where children come to ride the roller coaster is likely to be much more frightened by the anger on display outside the fun park kathy novak al jazeera melbourne. the first time says a dr rally switch scotland's to south america the race is to be held in just one country for his government has and best and millions of dollars in the event and is now hoping for a financial as well as a sporting pay back are an essential reports of lima. furrowing mountains riding along beaches or through the moving dunes of the deck a rally is a new addition in just this latin american nation challenging competition in one of
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the world's roughest to rains that dakar officials say will bring great benefits to the country they place benefits has been the immediate impact is great one thousand two hundred hours of international media promotion and one hundred ninety countries and over seventy t.v. channels it's huge it gives a lot of opportunity to promote tourism in the country between vested nearly six million dollars to hold the competition here but the government says the images of the two seen around the world is equivalent to nearly two hundred million dollars in advertising. on one hand is the economic impact generated by the event itself the rally's development leaves us sixty million dollars in consumption of goods and services and there's a lot of spending from people along the road nearly five hundred drivers and riders will meet every five thousand kilometer mainly on the father's desert region of the country but one of the challenge is to preserve the roof and ancient sites.
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civilizations thousands of years old lived and disappeared there many critics say the competition could in danger priceless heritage the government says it's mapped out forty four archaeological sites and eco systems to protect our park rangers and our killer just will guard these areas. even though you try to keep far away from evidently cultural areas you called know what might be on the ground and unexpectedly find traces of ruins that's a risk but the real impact on the root of the piece. don't respect impose limits thousands of peruvians are expected to follow the driver salonga we experts see the spectators could become the main threat to the ancient sites much and much to criticise the competition but innocent to such a cd. they click the headlines now on al-jazeera the us government shutdown is dragging on
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into its fifteenth day with another round of negotiations failing to break the deadlock donald trump tweeted there's been no headway made but by president mike pence says the meeting with democratic leaders was productive that asked for a cast more from washington d.c. vice president mike pence jared cushion or the president's son in law and close advisor and kiersten nielsen who is the secretary of homeland security met for about two hours on saturday afternoon with congressional aides talking about this government shutdown the vice president said that these talks on saturday were productive however president trump tweeted that the two sides really didn't make much headway now the vice president is going to be continuing these talks tomorrow while president trump is going to be meeting with some of his senior aides at camp david presidential retreat treat his national security adviser john bolton has warned the government the withdrawal of american troops from syria is not
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a green light to use chemical weapons apparent to meet israeli and turkish leaders about trump's decision to pull out roughly two thousand u.s. troops from the country. gyptian police officer has died while trying to diffuse a bomb near a church in cairo place were called to the eastern suburb of nasr city when the suspicious package was found on a rooftop to other officers and onlooker were injured in that blast french minister is a total urgency meeting after the first yellow vest protests of the new year turned violent police fired tear gas to disperse anti-government demonstrators in central paris or test began eight weeks ago in opposition to a rise in fuel tax but now include wider demands for government reforms union leaders and hungary are calling for a national strike and more protest over controversial labor reforms last month the government introduced what's being called the slave law that increases the amount of extra hours and foyers can demand while at the same time delaying overtime
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payments and so the headlines to keep her on al-jazeera there's much more news to come in the meantime inside story is that x. . their farms were grabbed on the robert mugabe's land reforms now white farmers in zimbabwe will be compensated they say that's not enough. will the man's trigger another crisis and has land reform the success in zimbabwe this is inside story.
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hello welcome to the show i'm sam is a down thousands of white farmers and zimbabwe were forced off their land during former president robert mugabe's rule but they might now be awarded some compensation the government says it plans to pay more than fifty million dollars to those who were evicted but critics estimate the bill at nine billion dollars. has this report from the town of chegutu bend free says returning to the farm that was seized from his family nine years ago is difficult he's distraught to see the farmhouse in such a state and doubts of his government will keep its promise to pay fifty three million dollars to compensate former white commercial farmers i believe what is happening is government is. trying to make the right noises in order for the international community to come in behind them and say we're prepared to put money
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into this but they're not serious about it the compensation is for improvements made to the farms such as dams and tobacco bans but farmers who lost everything say fifty three million is nowhere near enough it's estimated government needs at least nine billion dollars to compensate four thousand displaced white farmers. with. the much needed. it made. but. truly. compensating whites is not popular with some black war veterans who helped force the farmers out there that say much of the good land will to senior officials in the ruling party just. because i don't have it in and.
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we don't have land so forward from us to be considered i feel it's an insult to commercial farmers union says several farms are overgrown with weeds and wild grass on this land the sunflowers maize and mangoes that were once here are long gone this used to be a four bedroom house and this was the kitchen the taps or over there they've been removed people who came here took the tiles and the sink so and whatever bricks they could find the house traced all the way back there that used to be the lounge and the living room for bend free compensation if it happens is not enough he says property rights and the rule of law have to be respected otherwise history will keep repeating itself. al-jazeera zimbabwe. first take a look at zimbabwe's land reform policies the first effort to distribute land more fairly was started in one thousand nine hundred eighty but when zimbabwe gained
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independence from white minority rule at that time the majority of arab land was owned by white farmers the plan was based on a willing seller willing buyer policy which meant the government would not force the sale of land but in two thousand a new phase was introduced to accelerate the process and land was seized from white farmers it was in visitors that fifty thousand square kilometers would be subject to compulsory purchases from whites over five years so barbarous experience was often compared to south africa's both countries share a history of land ownership inequality. let's bring our guest into the show now we have joining us from harare by skype derek matty shack senior researcher at the institute for security studies in pretoria in nairobi is at a concert to see know of rich management and in emerging markets economist and from
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london joseph a scieno a commentator on african affairs and former columnist for new africa magazine good to have you all with us if i could start with joseph so is there zimbabwe in government's land reform policy a positive thing a much needed policy much needed by the country and the economy. absolutely and in my opinion. needed to have taken place not in two thousand but much but i think we need to put this in context including how rosa report it is the case the introduction rightly suggested that the process started in one thousand nine hundred eighty landa was the cause of the fight for independence in the court under the center what happened was when the stalemate arrived the lancaster house agreement provided for one that while the war ended i knew they went through the democratic process. land would be redistributed
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on willing seller willing buyer and what would happen is that they got on top of the process led by britain would provide the funds to be able to do just that the thing is that the british and others of their allies failed to commit that to all of their commitments because of politics going back to towards the year two thousand and one thousand nine hundred ninety five ninety six ninety seven particularly. in for we go into too much historical depth of analysis what i want to do is to focus on now your overall feeling is this is a land reform paul a policy that is positive for the country in the economy right that's your sentiment london for london form is an imperative the context is important because as we are saying and i think as part of your report suggests yes the conversation process of the moment zimbabwe needs money most of the africans in zimbabwe still need land including the lady in that clip what does
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a government need to do is to make sure that when people who lost their land unfairly white people who lost their land unfairly be given to them and indeed there was a lot of core option in the process to suggest that you steal my car and then i pay you back for for for for servicing it is neither here nor there all right let's bring derek into it do you agree overall this is been a positive thing a much needed policy for the country even if some of the details need to be sorted out about how much compensation needs to be paid. well you need to look at land reform policy as to what was happening in two thousand and what was happening in one thousand nine hundred what's happening out at present and what's happening at present is certainly there's a need to revisit the issue around compensation for land but most importantly the most important policy which is required at the moment is to provide secure tenure for land so that those land leases are transferable and what's called bankable here
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in two thousand there wasn't actually a land reform policy what was taking place in two thousand has to be viewed in the political context with the land grab that took place in two thousand was more about the retention of power by zanu p.f. than actually what later became the pos tract land reform program ok so maybe politically expedient economically the alley at the end of the day from an economic perspective what has the land reform policy what sort of impact has it had on the agricultural sector on the economy so the first point to note is that zimbabwe historically was a bread basket it's its agricultural production was enormous it was able to feed its country in many of the countries around it and in the last few years we've seen a significant deterioration in production so the issue is you know how do you get
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back to a fully functioning productive agricultural sector and where are we now is saying that insincere i'm saying alison give me a little to run thing by let let me bring you the argument from supporters of the government who would say maze production for example in two thousand and seventeen is the highest in two decades tobacco production another success story they say that that five hundred seventy six million dollars worth of it produced in two thousand and seventeen as we say it's been deteriorating in the last few years. well it's statistics isn't it you're comparing it to two decades ago two decades ago was as far as i can remember in one nine hundred ninety seven one thousand nine hundred ninety eight so it depends where you go back towards but i think if you look at it you can't you cannot argue that the agricultural sector in zimbabwe is as productive as it can be so i think you know what one one's going to look at it and and and add in that once we have that admission we can then work forward and
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say how do we get it back to where it where it could be and i think what president man and god was trying to do with his fifty two million dollars. compensation is thread a needle he's trying to open up he's trying to refinance he's trying to reopen zimbabwe to the global economy and in order to do that he's got to make some kind of gesture of restitution and i think that's what he's seeking to do the problem in zimbabwe of course is you've got a mickey mouse currency you've got a situation which which cannot go on it's practically venezuelan in terms of the currency and i don't know how it's going to square the circle it becomes very very populist sammy you know the idea that i know there's a historic wrong we all know there's a historic wrong but essentially by grabbing the land and giving it to people are not competent but well positioned with the ruling elite is simply not going to deliver a thriving agriculture sector you made some good wine as
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a man and god was on their mates and reading good points i want to take them to joseph so the sort of sentiment i guess from an economist's perspective there would you agree with that that this policy hasn't been a success i mean a mickey mouse currency is alice said you know the inflation the fact that it's gone from being the breadbasket to. just struggling to try and get to former productivities levels. well i suggested this before the peak of the campaigns for democratic reforms in africa that once upon a time to south africa was the most powerful economy on the continent a little mean that was right now quite clearly the land reform process the land grabs the it political language is a necessity the issue is really we also need to look at zimbabwe today as a matter of reality and we are totally agree yes this fifty two million is a gesture suggested to show that the present government is different from that of
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robert mugabe absolutely absolutely sensible it has to be supported i think this governments need to be supported to simply say that yes you are giving an element of a gesture what can we do what lessons can we learn but i think if some of the tones of the conversation is such that we must go back to where the argument was between one thousand nine hundred seven the year two thousand we're actually going back to square zero and we're going back to square zero in a risky way in a manner in which but i don't i think that actually the number we're going back to who will not be how more productive era is what he's trying to say i think. we need to recognize that. this tradition the status quo that it was was not right the fact that inbred was a breadbasket you know is no dispute but was a breadbasket in which the vast majority of the zimbabwean people the vast majority of the citizens of the african citizen bourbons who is allowed to act literally grabbed by force and in many other ways rather brutally did not have the land the question is how fair has this process been a total agree there has been corruption there's been
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a nepotism in the process and i think this government talk about london from. audit process in the last two months i would like to know from them how well and how successful that has gone and that's why i also suggest that for the white people whose land were taken and reasonably unfairly and grabbed by people rather illegally or yes right that must return but part of the process was that this movement it was literally stretching of war in the first ten fifteen years ok ok that coming give allie a chance to come back in on this one briefly because i interrupted him so is it is it good enough to look back and say well it was the breadbasket it was the breadbasket for a minority of people who are benefiting. well you know i look at it in the national interest and it's in zimbabwe's national interest to produce as much food as possible in order to feed the people and if you look at it this obsession it's a little bit like trumps war you know i appreciate that this land was grabbed
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unfairly but you know that was then we can't do anything about it now what can we do now we have to put a company to farmers on the land to maximize the output and therefore feed our people but if we go around telling people all if you can get a quarter acre or a half acre because it was stolen from you it's just not going to work and i think we it's a very circular argument everybody goes back to one nine hundred eighty apart tate you know ninety five percent of africans are a born free generation they deserve better than these regurgitated arguments about is about history feed our people give them opportunity but it's not going to happen by slicing land up and saying here's a quarter acre here here's restitution and i think that's where the political argument is failing our citizens entirely and the same thing's happening in south africa rwanda interesting lee i saw in the last two days president gummies taken
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the land back because he's realized it's not working so i think we've got to get beyond this historical story it is real it happened but what is the situation right now in the situation now is zimbabwe has the potential to feed itself and the potential to feed a lot of countries around it and catch what they should be well i don't know for sure joseph is going to have something to say about all of that but before we give we come back to joseph i want to go to derek again and say you know the point that you made about basically stabilizing land ownership rights is that government's current policy. of i think that fifty three million dollars compensation package is that a step in the right direction. well. what i've seen from the conversations so far that a lot of the politics is being airbrushed out of the discourse if i could just go
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back a little bit to the to the previous discussion. there was a conversation as to why no land reform had taken place up until the year two thousand there was a reason for that mccarthy was very aware that some bubbly was agro based economy and that agro based economy was being driven by largely by white farming and also by industry downstream from that that white farming there was an unspoken agreement with the white farmers you stay out of politics and you can to keep the land when the whites got involved in politics that's when the land invasion started the zimbabwean economy immediately began declining by ten percent per annum after those invasions took place at a time there when there was a regional economic boom driven by commodity prices and other economies were expanding by about ten percent the zimbabwean economy collapsed by ten percent per annum so those land invasions it was not a land reform program it was simply
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a mechanism by which one appeared sought to stay in power and the economy suffered enormously from that and has yet to recover from that you mentioned that tobacco is picking up it is picking up but it has enormous environmental costs there's deforestation taking place to cure the tobacco this child labor is children suffering from nicotine poison etc it's not a success story it's not a pretty picture yes twenty seventeen was a good year for maize because we had phenomenal rains that year which i'm likely to be repeated wasn't only the rangers the supporters of the government say of course it was also the government's command agriculture policy as well played a role in that. yes that played a part but the command agriculture policy would have failed dismally had it not been for the phenomenal rain that we were. ok i could and i'm going to go
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and sorry i'll come back to you in a moment there but i can see joseph was shaking his head i take in disagreement and he probably has something to come back with go ahead joseph. rawlins who did very good business good in court in southern africa ted he the british prime minister called him the face of capitalism the trainees would you that you know as long as we jacked ten billion dollars into village it does not matter from in whose hands he's no i think these are simplistic i guess and through the other thing is the risk of this that. we actually airbrushed this process is not true that the problems in zimbabwe started in the year two thousand and i'm lucky to have been a party to foreign ministers of things closer from a distance and from clues no it is the case that the failure of the settlement from one thousand eight hundred eighty was it is out of this thing when about the one nine hundred ninety seven when gumby felt and believed that he was being pushed to
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do it the british way is when this thing all failed in this room one thousand nine hundred seven by the end two thousand mugabe was simply saying i'm not supporting on this i can i'm not speaking for him we're going to simply say that look you guys refused you favor all of the agreements of nine hundred eighty we're going to do it the zimbabwean way what did he do he decided to do it the majority zimbabwean way and yes a number of whites lost in this process let's make sure that we compensate the whites who are loss of this process but it's him but we cannot be zimbabwe as a nation for a privileged few it has to be a country for all suburban people and you know what the more we be airbrushed this the more people down there are other audience are they doing it the right away joe lieberman south africa small part it is done very well years ago land grabs and that is not addressed properly. that's an issue is no that's going to cause instability you know if it simply lead to it became violent went to became political it became violent when the the allies stood decided to make it issue and
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yes one of them was blink but immediately the allies you know with the group got to decided to do it their way and also it is the case that the allies used to some semblance under the norm i think they were if you're going a lot on the disaster politic i want to bring derek in because he's shaking his head but we can try and look to the to the present because you know we can read history any way we want but is the government now through its land order it a policy is it fixing some of the shortcomings of the whole land reform process they're saying we're going to take off the land from incompetent farmers or go cronies who haven't really worked the land they're going to look into people have multiple farms that shouldn't have and so on and so forth is that good enough derek . well again one needs to look at the political context here a lot of is being made of the fact that the one i got great ministration says they are going to set aside the thirty three million for land compensation but again that's political in the in what i government is anxious. to show that property
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rights are now being respected and this compensation for land or for other improvements on the land is part and parcel of that apparently new found respect for property rights but one needs to bear in mind that the constitution has always required compensation to be paid for improvements on the land and under the magog big government forty two point seven million dollars had already been paid to white farmers forty three white farmers had been compensated. for improvements before them when i got a great ministration came and so this policy of fifty three million dollars it's not a new policy but being hyped up in order to try and empathise than when i grew government's commitment to property rights that are all right certainly we've now had a land reform commission formed but people are quite skeptical about what will come out of the commission's investigation process only that we've got
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a couple minutes left on trying to get allie in from an economist perspective then looking forward is there an important thing we're forgetting to mention here candy in cultural sector develops whatever changes domestically are internally made without addressing the problem of sanctions. that's an interesting question i mean my suggestion would be if we're looking into the future is to try and keep these farms intact bring competent people on them who can farm the land maybe to do a structure that was having an inkling taliban and profits are shared and distributed and that and that's distributed amongst the people because if you're just going to put it in if you're going to save yourself let's stick everybody on the land and see what happens nothing's going to happen and just a final point. is trying to thread a needle here he needs to find a lot of cash to reignite this economy he hasn't found it yet if he doesn't find it he's going the way of basheer ensuite downside think it is the one he has to in the
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numbers not is not of the old it in policy i know there is audit policy doing that at least in the first point which you made which i know you don't want farms in the hands of people who can't do anything productive with it. i think it's he's trying to do it if i look at the continuum are in africa i don't think he's done enough i don't think he's been bold enough i think he's talked the talk but he hasn't walked it and until we see that happen i don't see the recovery happening in zimbabwe and what we've got a final minute let me give it to joseph then is the government effort to engage countries which are imposing sanctions like the us failing since we saw for example i think it was december the twentieth a new round of u.s. penalties imposed. yeah i think i told this program in a different context that actually that's unfortunate that. the the western allies have not sufficiently responded to this government and it's actually fairly true
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that yes maybe this fifty to fifty three million dollars may be hyped partly as a result of that but of what i need to say is this that actually it would be very unreasonable unfair for us to suggest that africans who are landless you know are incompetent when we there is no evidence that they have been had the opportunity to do farm without doing that because other than zimbabwe and south africa you know my native uganda we have done rather well without necessarily having in a specialised agricultural include from a specialist farmers. i missed and surely would have something to say about ugandans given the land back you made that point earlier but i think we're going to have to leave the discussion there for now and thank all of our guests for coming in and sharing their insights derrick lee and joseph and thank you too for watching you can see the show again any time by visiting our website al-jazeera dot com for the discussion head over to our facebook page facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story can also join the conversation on twitter and there is at a.j.
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. vice president mike pence jared cushion or the president's son in law and close advisor and curious to nielsen who is the secretary of homeland security met for about two hours on saturday afternoon with congressional aides talking about this government shutdown the vice president said that these talks on saturday were productive however president trump tweeted that the two sides really didn't make much headway now the vice president is going to be continuing these talks tomorrow while president trump is going to be meeting with some of his senior aides at camp david presidential retreat meanwhile this afternoon house speaker nancy pelosi announced that house democrats are going to be meeting next week to pass individual appropriations bills that would reopen some agencies including the department of treasury and the i.r.s. so the government could begin processing income tax returns and get income tax
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refunds back in the hands of americans now this shutdown is going into its fifteenth day if it goes another week that would be three weeks and it would make it the longest shutdown in u.s. history and egyptian police officer has died while trying to defuse a bomb near a church in cairo police recall to the eastern suburb of nasr city when the suspicious package was found on a rooftop whether police and an onlooker bridge or in the blast egyptian christians have been targeted in a string of attacks in recent years. yes national security adviser john bolton has warned the government that withdrawal of american troops is not a green light to use chemical weapons preparing to meet israeli and turkish leaders about champ's decisions of a lot roughly two thousand u.s. soldiers from syria. has more from gaza on tap on the turkey syria border. talkies priority least is the disarmament of kurdish y.p.
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the fighters who have fought alongside u.s. troops in the fight against u.s. officials have told them many times before the most effective force against but to talk to them nothing more than a terrorist organization an extension of the kurdish would kiss but t.p.k. case and wants them just a move on the disk and with taken out of territory and they would need turkey's border with syria actually turkey doesn't want to be quite the deep controlling and it part of syria and has been immobile floating in recent weeks saying they will talk all the tom the city of mumbai each with a view of removing the white preview from the ones just to call on support from the united states u.s. troop withdrawal process is complete but u.s. officials of trying to pull him from a can be a timetable several times turkish officials would not expect john bolton when he
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visits. on tuesday to come up with a timetable for troop withdrawal early results from democratic republic of congress presidential election have been delayed by a week commerce expected on sunday but the look or a commission says it has counted less than half of the votes. the s. . french ministers have held an emergency meeting after the first all of us protest to the new year turned violent police fired tear gas to disperse anti-government demonstrators and central paris protests began eight weeks ago in opposition to the rise in fuel tax but now include wider demands for government reforms the new leaders in hungary are calling for a national strike and more protests over controversial labor reforms last month the government introduced what's being called the slave law what it does is it increases the amount of extra hours employers can demand while delaying overtime
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payments at the same time as are the headlines and news continues capered on al-jazeera at next iraq a deadly deception. september eleventh. in the ruins of new york america votes to defeat
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terrorism but this promise is quickly betrayed george bush changes enemies asama bin laden is replaced by saddam hussein. see it as this sudden turn to love is the result of an extraordinary deception with devastating consequences for the world. everything begins less than six hours after the attack at the pentagon which was also strong secretary of defense donald rumsfeld scans the rubble and he issues his instructions stephen campbell and one of his advisors takes notes rumsfeld's intentions are unequivocal. the evening of that tragedy president bush addresses america and the world.
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today our fellow citizens our way of life are very freedom came under attack. we will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them. we will make no distinction this essential detail was inspired by a key figure in the pentagon richard powell. on the afternoon of nine eleven places a call to the president's speech writer. i was on the telephone with david frum and i said to david. on the afternoon of nine eleven whatever else the president says he should say that we will hold. responsible the states that support terrorists safeguarding it is a strategic break from the more modest policies of bush is pretty decisive and. i
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believe it represented a recognition that we would never succeed against the terrorists if we went after them one at a time and as long as governments were facilitating the organization training equipping financing of terrorist organizations we were never going to get it under control. and ambitious program for all out war a goal in line with neoconservative policy and thinking an approach supported by richard powell. dick cheney donald rumsfeld condoleezza rice paul wolfowitz douglas feith these are the advisors who have bush's ear. joe wilson a career diplomat witnessed the rise. they came into office with the republican party in particular with the staffing done by the vice president and his office and
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the secretary of defense in his office. referred to his neo conservatives they have ties to the world of oil to the defense industry they are strong proponents of american global domination. saddam hussein softened by years of sanctions isn't easy. on the evening of nine eleven the president saying well maybe you know we will be going after iraq now and somebody said well. that would be a guess since international law. the president responded i don't care it was going to kick a few days after the world trade center. and the pentagon were attacked the president was at camp david with his senior officials and mr wolfowitz was telling the president. the rock and saddam hussein is the real problem. new goals were defined change the regime in baghdad and subjugate iraq
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a simpler objective than that of destroying the elusive terrorist. nine hundred those in support of eliminating saddam hussein meet at the ministry of defense the pentagon. they all began asking questions about how long can we continue this policy aimed at keeping saddam under control and the conclusion they came to was not much longer the day after the meeting at the pentagon president bush addresses congress. it is a historic moment the nation is united bush names the culprits osama bin laden al qaida the taliban regime in afghanistan our enemies are radical network of
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terrorists and every government that supports them and. no mention about iraq but he warns our war on terror. begins with al qaeda. but it does not in there. tony blair the british prime minister and guest of honor applause it's symbolic of the unwavering alliance between washington and london. the taliban are quickly driven out of kabul and al qaeda is dispersed. some of bin laden disappears. in washington bush abuse eager to move on to another war i stand by those words afghanistan is just a beginning if anybody harbors terrorists or terrorist if they find
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a terrorist or terrorist if they have terrorist or terrorist i mean i can't make it any more clearly to other nations around the world if they develop weapons of mass destruction that will be used to terrorize nations it will be held accountable. after this speech secretary of defense rumsfeld meets with general tommy franks at central command in tampa florida. franks controls a massive area from africa to asia and leads the war in afghanistan but rumsfeld has something else in mind iraq. he orders general franks to prepare a plan of attack. since its invasion of kuwait in the gulf war and nine hundred ninety one large parts of iraq had been under an international no fly zone. despite iraq's to feed.

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