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tv   Cubas Unfinished Spaces  Al Jazeera  February 28, 2019 3:00pm-4:01pm +03

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as the old internet saying goes if it's for free you're the product because the use of all those convenient digital online services are only seemingly for free because we paying with our debt. we have neither inside nor overview about our digital self and absolutely no possibility to actively control it. then it's a bit stale online as a c. have a command been. ended a bit as they missed us dismissed so then you've got to spit sublist and now it's an increase in just making the atom cannot decide which of the he'd be at is that supposed capital of whom lots on fit buy it in internet.
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this will be missed this is a few women get to see some protests monday or so going on to date up brokerage child under-sized consequently it's best to stand on here and feel sit under a few mit. beating such highest and allow french bacon to put sesson into court your spouse us mitt he isn't tustin talked in z. for i'm lost and for it was a one off some cow off. went that's so much better than i was vietnam estimate you can watch fashion so owned by speed size of yet off that site if you're off to buy an i was for inform on like i did and think the less trust the promotes and three hundred fifty rushed us the been would soon come under hostile explicit seem to see for me it was understood that since the smashed and i group gets most unprofessional so far going on via indies it looks persecutes all get out too much and he kind of did point out. the data we create assembling our digital self is also of interest is
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a juicy source of information for the intelligence community. so quickly it is now being. put placed on you asked networks infrastructure like trying to get a structure tapping straight in enabled by critical partnerships the full extent of which have still not been revealed to this day not even for the snow disclosures eighteen t. for aizen and a number of others but that's where it started with the phone companies ok it was it was rapidly expanded to include e-mails and all related information internet usage at all related from asian and financial transactions. the revelations by edward snowden provide detailed insight into the relationship between intelligence services and private companies. telephone metadata and web
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browsing histories are of great interest to the intelligence community. see that's really industrial relations. they were tapping the fiber lines between the google servers yet they don't even know this is going on google dot ok so i mean that's the point they can tap lines anywhere in the world and when they do that they can get it between the servers of any but any company. from my perspective i think it's in massive collusion between the big corporations and big government with. the military security complex they have agreements between them where they will pay money for data if they produce data for n.s.a. or they will also pay for access and like for example the the room in the eighteen t. facility in san francisco that has the n.s.a. . it's the n.s.a. room that has the tappan on an hourly fee data and it's really eighteen t.
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that has them maintain that room facebook is evil in my view have been saying as he is it's the spies wet dream it does real for up all information and it's just there on a plate for the spies to access and we know they do you through back doors and things and yet that's a defamation has taken weeks or months together we're going into vigil they extend what google of information a google has is nothing near what n.s.a. does for example they do not have they have access to the emails if they're using g. mail for example but not all the other service providers and they don't so they don't have that data to do a composite view of what people are doing nor do they have access to all the fiber optic lines around the world nor do they see the banking transactions or the financial transactions or all the phone calls they don't see that sort of vast amount of information that google does not have.
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so that's something that is leading tree increasing concentrations of power and you get some smart people these are companies and then these contracts to the national security sector as contractors. so the creative viber. see. market capitalism. for ok so. many of the companies concerned reacted immediately to the snowden revelations they proclaim and advertise seemingly tap proof mobile phones and texting services followed by public announcements pleading that they will no longer put up with the pressure of the intelligence services.
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the way in which technology companies have reacted in the waiting lists they wouldn't. leaks means that the level of cooperation between technology companies and an intelligence agencies has gone down and that's that's that's added to the threat in some ways. it would be slightly bizarre if all the advances in technology in the use of bulk data analysis which are improving. the performance of business improving the health care. delivery and so on somehow national security was allowed to use that. it's not as if the more secure you get the less privacy you have all the more previous you have the less security you have these you know in
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a free society like we join the west. your freedoms are guaranteed by security and so the job of western governments is to find the optimal levels of privacy and security suppose some excellent. as a consequence of the september eleventh attacks the technical capabilities of the intelligence services were massively expanded international collaboration of national spy organizations was also intensified. not always without friction and problems they have similar aims like combating international terrorism they get they listen in on one another. after one nine eleven had there was this perspective that germany had had screwed up that the security services crude up that they had harbored terrorists. you have the cells and homburg. you have
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a number of the hijackers that. transited through live there play in there. it was a significant cell there's no question about that and there's a whole history behind it and i think i think as i said i said this even publicly said this in terms of the testimony for the bundestag the germany within europe was declared. a target number one and i believe i believe. significant pressure but clearly out of the the secret partnership and cooperation to be indian others was expanded and we know that now there's again more evidence has come out there was a special agreement this secret and expanded sheria very much basically gave the united states car blogs but also it was it was a b. and b. you know not going to cooperate are going to help facilitate. this spring two
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thousand and fifteen a scandal erupts in germany regarding the close and secret collaboration between the german intelligence service be n.d. and the n.s.a. . the b. and d. cooperated with the n.s.a. to spy on european politicians and assisted the united states in attempts of industrial espionage. when the press reported that the chancellery had known about the scandal since two thousand and eight it peaked with the german opposition threatening to sue its own government over the b endianness a fair. use victorian. now it's become this new.
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zine. deutschen go in and as of course an opinion dean went in and. from the indies and in these activities. just give us some us and to get up as it's your and i'm in don't go but if he isn't better vote it had to move you have a city and what a con it was a lot of protect invasion and fun toys ship guy i'm doing stuff with these and forking and a foothold. since two thousand and fourteen in nk wire into the snowden revelations meets in the bundestag for the first time i whistle blower from the usa reports to the parliamentary committee about the n.s.a. and its into relations with the german d.n.d. .
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lean body confirm the very close relationship between the b.m.d. and the n.s.a. to the commission of. a relationship that already existed during his time in the us intelligence service. as even if i had the vanity and this. was and it was office it was caught in those lines of media in this in the field for base of a hoax on to him took this via. get all the out of couldn't this instrument's the parliament how to control it and all he continues to unequal to move into the
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better than often things to fit in follow to see. the of us who seem to see it so if we can involve we hadn't to see here stuff taught in any law he contains that agnon the meat and if we can't get out and see under stuff it's going to get parliament has to control agreements i mean from what i can see they have the same problem of getting information from the b. and d. that the congress has from getting of getting information from the n.s.a. it is the either won't tell them or they lie to them one of the other i mean that's what's been going on in the in the us government the point is that now in our in our case we've been this snowden material has made it obvious that they've been lying to the government that's what intelligence agencies are they are they are tossed to do things in secret that are unlawful. or politically embarrassing you see intelligence agencies aren't aren't controllable unless they're really heavily
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monitored and there's a verification and unquestionable verification process they don't have that now that's the problem in our country too we do not have a an undue unequivocal verification process that the agencies can't can't can't corrupt. that we conclude this is team in the minds of the things that this bill does the parliament audition can go into leading is kicked out so and i can this community still going to parliament that is you can totally immune them into some talk when these talks are going to ongoing when i mean all governments seem to be in a position of having to trust their intelligence agencies telling them the truth. that is questionable nothing will happen in terms of any self-regulation as organizations are too secretive to complex to walk back to his house that regulates . the german chancellor in the bundestag parliamentary control committee are officially responsible for the
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control of the b. and d. . only with a more comprehensive and effective control of the intelligence agencies can civil rights and privacy be properly protected. what other options are there to prevent abuse or possible illegal activities by the spies. often only intelligence insiders are left to go public reveal institutional violations and become whistleblowers get there's disparity between these individuals on the one side and the governments and intelligence services on the other and so the whistleblowers and activists soon find out what happens when they challenge these organizations. was a would consider navy stop and be a given the two lesions would have to go ohms or me as us and good luck to get.
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this being bandied react to your own admission of being you were team whistleblower snowden as if to his son i'm yaki you but i then shot and. and. they are too old to be a very good reason snowden some suits or a tie on their side can best be just out. to two and get told by a club are just as them it must see vincent one for been giving isn't very good. after his revelations in two thousand and thirteen edward snowden tried to flee from hong kong to south america via moscow but the u.s. revoked his passport he couldn't continue his journey from moscow and had to apply for asylum in russia. stowed had been criticized about ending up in russia headed up in russia because the state department canceled his passport so he
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couldn't fly other version i mean the incredible our goal why would they do that that allows them to make the argument that he's working for russia and they can apply the nine hundred seventeen act why would they want to apply the nine hundred seventy because the nine hundred seventeen act carries with it the death penalty and they want to get in the death penalty the n.s.a. commission in the bundestag actually wanted to call snowden as a witness many voices in the german public support the idea to grant edward snowden asylum in germany. well the online. went to the concert for them not to do this or if you join us on
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the sat all of us have been colonized in some form or some fashion this is a dialogue we are talking about a legal front and you have seen what it can do to somebody people are using multiple drugs including the funnel and some people are seeking it out everyone has a voice from the c.r.s. basia twitter and you could be on the street join the global conversation amount is iraq and monday put it on. u.s. and british companies have announced the biggest discovery of natural gas in west africa but what to do with these untapped natural resources is already a source of heated debate nothing much has changed they still spend most of their days looking forward to for the dry river beds like this one five years on the syrians still feel battered or even those who managed to escape their country have been truly unable to escape the you're. a christian
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priest you are a friend of the palestinians is it true that go over every rock and champion of the palestinian cause. and activist who is willing to sacrifice his freedom. for his beliefs. al-jazeera wild tells the extraordinary story of the archbishop and the piano. i'm richelle carey in doha these are the top stories now on al-jazeera u.s. president donald trump a north korean leader kim jong un have ended their summit early the program change was made after trump and kim held a bilateral meeting at the vietnamese capital and we hope to joins us by for her
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noise where the information is still coming and became really what do we know about what is happening with these changes. well certainly this does not appear to be a good turn of events for the sum of what we know and we're getting very little information. the white house pool told in fact that there had been a program change the meetings have been running long the planned lunch had been delayed then didn't take place at all we were told from the white house press secretary sara centers that the negotiations are ongoing but most notable in all of this is that the some of the century has been cut short the agreement that was expected to be signed at the statement that was expected to come out of this hanoi summit not taking place instead what we do know is happening is the press conference with the u.s. president it has been moved up in terms of its timeline this is very significant it does not bode well in terms of the outcome of this now the u.s.
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president has for weeks been trying to lower the expectations of what to expect coming out of this summit as recently as a few hours ago he even suggested that he and kim jong un would be talking together for years to piers it will be years at least in order to accomplish something because it is not happening it appears today all right kimberly keep us posted we'll check back in with you donald trump's former lawyer meanwhile has told a congressional hearing he believes the u.s. president is a racist a con man and a cheat michael cohen made several accusations against the president including that he personally ordered hush money payments republicans say cohen's testimony lacked credibility pakistan's prime minister manon is calling for a dialogue after both india and pakistan say they shot down each other's fighter jets islam abad says it down to indian planes and captured a pilot and d.s. and said shot down one pakistani aircraft and lost one of its own egyptian authorities say a fight between two train drivers caused this crash in cairo which killed at least
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twenty people and train driver has been arrested and the transport minister has resigned. so the headline digital just sets. to me pretty soon this is kind of seafood keep going to the metro snowden take the common content put it on was on label even be told sign one was of concern or delete your own of current underpinning for folks on the list dos thrift of it was no. a moment. here and it's a legal thing for good if the conflict in this case. i was leave it on. somebody can i.d. me but i was stunned as if it involved as it was noted not touched on came in mystery yet soon exploded. could said ticking off the moment we had known to prove
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an opiate of couldn't this i was leaving i'm just looking still if somebody kind of . pushed interest in seeing. my name feelin it what snowden. could command not a chance to call me. a song for a month he leaks it's my. name. on this dog. has gotten cells crushed didn't listen good night i was good for that good flute exam to sky him hydrants esteemed. blue sky gig but if the guns and to promote the depression the of a monopoly is published on the internet where he thinks is now an organization that is in conflict with the f.b.i.
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the cia the national security agency the gypsy educated such. an organization that is well known. to these agencies and in an organization that they. walter raleigh fort this job is kind of foggy does just by tolls and see in the distance and it's by tossing us the diplomatic cables all scum but intimate connotation is each of interest and just as a. as a. d.m. i listen to kid of us as we didn't cave it's come for him to give in the seventy's it was when up to dusty bush on the book human talent of even does that sound just stopped in. the us plot against julian a son came to light in two thousand and eleven as part of the so-called strat for x. . strat corps a texas based consulting company developing geostrategic all strategies for the us
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government jeremy hammond the hacker who copied a total of five million emails from the strad for server was sentenced to ten years in prison at the end of two thousand and thirteen. how means data theft included controversial messages by the vice president of stratford to the u.s. government they contained a multi-stage strategy proposal of how to deal with a songe two weeks after the hacker attack the accusations of rape surfaced in sweden. the business instead front but. doesn't the traditional shooting going on to introduce could you to your own so it . fits again admitted this it's starting to get a potent when does a fetus up the book are not in the busy typing julian since he surely finish us but started before it was as a new just by talking to start to take it to you know who can take up stick and how
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to not taking this with you could open it in time to hide but you did it because she did in sweden perceived as missing basic and buys just as a list goods are not good offices in the mean dog to. the sun she traveled to sweden in two thousand and ten for a series of lecture. their investigation proceedings into sexual misdemeanors against two swedish women were open. a son said he was being subjected to a smear campaign and refuted the allegations when interpol issued an arrest warrant for him he went underground within twenty twenty four hours it had been dropped by the most senior prosecutor in stock if an eye and dropped and she said that there was no crime at all. that had been committed. so later on it came out in the supreme court here that both women concerned had not followed the complaint and that one of them had said that the police had made this
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up after a brief game of hide and seek a songe handed himself into the london police in december two thousand and ten and was remanded in custody released on bail with electronic ankle monitor a son fought in court against his extradition to sweden on a number of occasions. the walls were closing in both from the from the us side he was clearly ready and from the. swedish side and from the u.k. . at the time. in june two thousand and twelve i had a lot of. surveillance and also. has a lady came out was spying on us and the national security agency only because. there was a risk a plane coming to the embassy to apply for asylum that that action would be
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seen and that i would be interdicted but i was extremely well disguised well i didn't look anything like i normally look. it's true that you heard something a week and still screwed. the soup the stunning the she was correct yes. we . will everything was different and the reason you put this turn in your sure is to change your game because their day can be quite recognisable and that's not an issue if someone is to sing in the newspaper and that it is an issue for a surveillance team. since june two thousand and twelve the sun has been stranded at the ecuadorian embassy in london. at that time i said well i'll be happy to go to sweden provided there's
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a guarantee of. exhibition to united states because the london independent had already revealed that the us and sweden were in informal talks about expediting me from sweden if you render do we call that rendering. you know that's what the one of the dark side activities that we've been doing. taking people up the street anywhere in the world and sending them to different places for torture or in prison. escapees i'm sure and i didn't even father of a kind i leapt in five eight zero. up to psych to hear these and snowden. and julian bizarreness and julian guns guns thought this. a month on by the
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biggest of them for vicky dixon julian discourse. it's a whole bunch of to some of us that spot on and on for because it's been this wasn't long before this clip remote a preview of this thing guns inside the glided spy two thousand seen on the time you and i will spend together for the killings on the most. distant to some kind that sponsors thousand mimeo you know once the stories over the journalists skip often break the stories they've made their careers and their suppliers that time try having broken and created with no hope of proper employment again. you know having left behind your whole way of life your social circle everything and in the case of intelligence your supply of course you face automatic prosecution and conviction to so it's very high price to pay. well i mean the real threat came when the f.b.i. came into my house and when i was getting out of the shower and pointed a pistol at me. it i was getting out of the shower getting drowned dried off and
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they came in pip pointing a pistol at me and also my family so it was a threat and it was hard to threaten people and then after that the department of justice attempted to fabricate evidence and and indict us i was very publicly indicted with a ten felony is a ten felony count indictment under the espionage act facing thirty five years in prison that was that was the final price you government or the inside the intelligence community there trumpeting these things they're holding these guys up it as examples to say look if you say what's going on line even if this even if you do it for the right reasons even if you do it at the right all there will be a record caution you know they talk about internal channels and what not but these guys used in terms of analysts and they say people like thomas drake they ended up
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getting indicted and this is something that i paid very close attention to and i learned a great deal from it was very rare in american history to get charged with espionage for nods to vs in fact i was actually the only the second whistleblower charged a white man or the first was dana oils when he went to the baltimore sun he did not reveal classified troops you know they charged with classified but that was a hoax so there was a fraud they re crashed five material that they found in his computer which was not conscious right and he had every reason to believe that he would not be prosecuted for what he gave to baltimore sun. he would lose his john he would lose his clearance rate is very serious is dependent on terror and in fact most the judge he should have been out with reporters after. he was taking a very serious risk but i don't if you risk if he thought he would be prosecuted i don't i was blacklisted i was president i got i was radioactive no government
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agency would take me nor nor any contractor with the government it was off limits and n.s.a. made it crystal clear even though there were attempts by even prior to my indictment to find work it all they would all come to naught so i ended up as a wage rate employee. one of the retail stores in the greater d.c. area where i still work but unable to find any other work at all of any kind that was the price you have no job you have no career you have no you have no pension all those years i served in the government i'm now a traitor and an enemy of the state. the price thomas drake another whistle blowers pay for warning against the danger of a surveillance state is high loss of friends and family. flight into exile or long
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prison sentences under more stringent conditions. professional isolation and personal financial collapse.
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it's over this is we here is so mirrors. you didn't hear it dish everything is organized everything is. just. that's. how far we've got on our efficiency. or race the sovereignty of individuals. i'd seen how far an institution would go to race freedom and. for a person's life. and the only they can do that is to control them every single second of the day and measure it at the same time. i chose to hold myself inside the system. never imagining what i did.
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that i'd be charged with this around. for having defended the constitution protecting the constitution became a state crime. a state crime. and we have the power. you don't. in the end all they had left to do was assassinate me. at the character that's all they had left. assassinate. which is the oath in the form. of control right. it doesn't matter what even the crimes against the state were. your unexceptable. you're not fit. to work in the government or see
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or be a citizen. yet you do not deserve prison. because you're the wrong guy. where we have that in history. that it's cool stuff. you just described how the f.b.i. team interrogated me in a similar role and they played the good cop bad cop with themselves and. then nora kyle is just coming up to seven g.m.t. here in doha that's almost two pm in hanoi where donald trump and kim jong un's
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vietnam summit has come to an early end with no agreement was saying shots in the j w marriott hotel where we are expecting the u.s. president to come out and speak at any moment this was the time when he was supposed to be. actually signing an agreement with kim jong un but instead his press conference earlier several last minute changes have been made in the shadow hinting at signs of a breakdown in the talks now trump and kim have been meeting in hanoi and they were supposed to have lunch and then sign that joint agreements. before they went into those talks things did seem promising. generally you if you. don't mean you. you can't. build your generals in i'm not willing that will be your right. it would be that there are you.
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ok well let's turn to at that vazquez to james basie's for us live for us in hanoi trying to keep up i should think with all these rather rapid developments james or stories expect some surprises with these two leaders what do we know that's going on. you always do get surprises when president trump is involved we certainly had been led to be sued believe that there was going to be some sort of agreement but we weren't clear what they'd managed to agree on and instead of the text of an agreement we've got the text of this statement this is the white house trying to save face but it is fair to say although this process has not broken down these particular talks have failed they wanted to get something concrete to move things on they have failed in the statement from sarah saunders the white house press secretary she says that north
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korea and the u.s. had a very good and constructive meetings in hanoi on the twenty seventh and twenty eight the two leaders discussed various ways to advanced nation and economic driven concepts but then the cleeve clear bit at the end which i think shows us where things have gone wrong no agreement was reached at this time but their respective teams look forward to meeting in the future now they're putting on words that are suggesting there's a good relationship being built but they didn't even sit down and have lunch that was planned the dinner table was there everything was ready to serve the lunch lunch time approach and no one turned up by that time we got the first news that the talks it seemed not running according to schedule we were told the president trump was moving up his news conference is now taking place ten minutes from now that's when we had been told reporters were going to be watching a signing ceremony as you say the optics earlier in the day had been reasonably
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good president trump as is his way had had photographers into the room several times that's the way this former reality show host does his diplomacy and chairman kim it looked a little uncomfy. trouble with some of that because he was pressed something is not normally used to having happen by questions from western reporters he was asked whether he was prepared to denuclearize and he said i wouldn't be here if i wasn't prepared to do it he was asked about the idea of one measure that had been floated very widely which is a measure that really wouldn't have benefited one side or the other it would have just been a gesture of good will of relations which is setting up a liaison office is that's not quite diplomatic relations but it would mean having some diplomats some north korean diplomats in washington d.c. and some u.s. diplomats in pyongyang and both leaders broadly said they thought that that was
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a good idea they haven't managed to come up with an agreement just saying that so it suggests to me that there was a breakdown here between the two sides it's not clear whether that has affected the good personal relations between the two leaders that we've seen on display seven months ago in singapore and in the last twenty four hours in hanoi and certainly the statement from the white house they're making it very clear in this statement that although they haven't got any concrete progress they are going to continue a process and so president shampooed lowered expectations suggesting that they were going to get a huge agreement here but just something has come out of it with even the lower bar them that they've had come up with no agreement to tall and just a promise to keep talking in the future because there were quite a few areas where there james that there could have been an announcement in progress on and then you mention the liaison's office that the talking about and we
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know of u.s. soldiers from the korean war who died in the korean war so there were there were there's plenty of scope wasn't there. there was lots of things that they could have agreed on and done a deal on i think the eight liaison officers react repatriation of remains some white house rubber stamp for the into korean process that's going on the talks about shared infrastructure railway rate links road links between the two koreas but i think it all depended on one thing and that was the north koreans actually giving something on the real central issue which is that nuclear program i don't think the u.s. wanted to give anything else away unless they got some opening concession from the north korea on their nuclear facilities because you've got to remember that for the u.s. just having this summit and it's the second of its type at this leader level is an
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amazing concession leaders around the world all want to sit down with the president of the united states is used as a bargaining chip it is one of the cards in the diplomacy and the u.s. has played this card twice they've allowed donald trump to sit down with the north korean leader twice and they clearly don't feel they've got enough in return at this time because north korea it's meant a real rehabilitation remember this is a leader who was a global pariah he had the consensus of the world and the u.n. security council with a number president had level of sanctions against him he had meetings condemning is human rights his repression. personal conduct in ordering executions we believe this is a man who ordered the execution using chemical weapons just a couple of years ago of his own half brother and yet this is
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a man we've seen smiling and enjoying the company of the u.s. president the north koreans so far in this process i got a great deal i think the u.s. wanted something on the key part of this for them the nuclear file and it appears that this second summit again we've got nothing concrete coming out of it the two men have met maybe there's that building of that report the process certainly isn't over because president trump doesn't want this process to be over because right now he's turned a situation of near war right on the edge of war with a nuclear state into one of a fragile peace it's looking even more fragile now than it did an hour ago but that still a win or sort of a win for the u.s. he certainly doesn't want this process to collapse and the man who wrote the book the art of the deal being the man who couldn't make
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a deal with north korea absolutely ok james for the moment thank you and we are waiting for that donald trump press conference in hanoi they can see the stage has been sets the press corps is gathered they will of course be turning to that as soon as it begins also in had i we got our white house correspondent kimberly halkett now can be there was some sort of indications a. couple of hours ago when trump said that there was quote no rush on late saying a north korea in agreement so he's going to be painting this in the best possible light but really i mean he can't be too happy to be walking away from this without anything signed on paper. there's no question that the u.s. president has been lowering expectations for what will come out of him noir for days in fact he said that he was in no rush and felt that he had accomplished something just given the fact that there were no longer missiles being fired and testing that was taking place for some sixteen seventeen months that was what he
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said in the speech to governors in washington d.c. on the eve of traveling to handle it he certainly repeated that but there's no question that the headline coming out of this is the summit is cut short no agreement reached and that is not a good headline for donald trump in fact this is the third day of bad headlines domestically in the united states on tuesday he had his border wall declaration attempted to be blocked in the house of representatives that's a key campaign promise that he is trying to deliver on the next day on wednesday with the testimony by his former lawyer his longtime fixer michael cohen potentially incriminating the president and now we have for a third day another bad headline that is the summit cut short no agreement reached for a president who likes to speak in positive terms rod stroke said to downplay some of the details that can be inconvenient for him at times this is not going to play
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well i can tell you that the greatest fears of some of donald trump's critics namely some of the democratic members of congress have been played out the fear being that the united states just by coming to her noyo by meeting with kim jong un the north korean leader was granting him the legitimacy that he so desperately was seeking without the united states getting anything in return let let's think about what the united states has given up at one point they had said they wanted a full inventory of north korea's nuclear arsenal that did not happen and still they met they have canceled joint military exercises some nine exercises now with. south korea this is something that the united states has also given up regime change what something that was a demand of the united states not even mentioned anymore and given a pass on human rights as james bass was talking there earlier at the same time
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north korea the north korean leader has been seen around the world now chatting with reporters sitting side by side smiling with the president retaining his weapons retaining his ability to launch missiles were taken and his ability to continue to test and research again refusing to turn over that inventory these are the kinds of things that members of congress are concerned about in fact they have even begun to drafting legislation in the u.s. congress to make sure that donald trump did not turn over too much power of course this is not in any way been passed but certainly there are going to be the i told you so moments happening when donald trump returns to washington those are going to be the tough questions he's going to have to answer and annoy and that are going to haunt him for the days to come. ok can be do stay with us so it just going to check in with our viewers who might just be joining us it's just gone seven g.m.t. in doha that's just off to two pm in hanoi you're watching continuing coverage of
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the vietnam summit between donald trump and kim jong un which had been cut short you might have been tuning in expecting to see them signing agreements but that is not happening instead we're waiting to hear from donald trump giving a press conference back at his hotel any moment now that had been some promising signs with kim jong un suggesting he would not be in vietnam if he wasn't willing to give up his nuclear arsenal. let's go back to kimberly now she's there for us following events with the white house press corps in hanoi and this really isn't going to be an easy press conference is it for donald trump and it's already been quite a difficult trip for the press cool. yeah it's been a difficult trip for the press corps we can't overlook one of the other major events that has happened here and that is the effort out of the white house to squash the
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independent free press this is something that really started to make headlines less than twenty four hours ago when one of the quarters was asking donald trump questions the president of kim jong un there are questions that the president did not like he was asked if he had walked back on his demand that north korea denuclearize he was asked for reaction to that very very embarrassing and humiliating testimony coming from his former lawyer michael cohen donald trump did not like those questions refused to answer he shook his head no following that those reporters who asked those difficult questions were banned from following and covering the president when he had dinner on wednesday evening with the north korean leader so this was something that the white house press corps pushed back on they said this was an opportunity for the united states to highlight one of its most cherished. what properties of democracy and that is the free and independent
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press and to see alongside an authoritarian leader the white house squashed that was very deeply disturbing as a result it appears the white house heeded that call from the press corps the reporters who had been banned were allowed back in in fact it was jeff mason from waters who asked one of the most pivotal questions of the north korean leader and that is whether he was willing to denuclearize is that's of course that he would be here unless he was willing to do so it just underscores how important the role of reporters are in the midst of all of this that they are often the ones with their questions at venting the discussions just as much as the leaders themselves and even the support teams that do all of the ground work in advance of those summits in fact we know and that is a very interesting point that we should bring up there have been many many hours of prefatory talks for these discussions in hanoi we know that the u.s.
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envoy to north korea stephen began has been working with his counterpart but there was very little accomplished we knew that going in why because the north koreans know this is a president who deals on the fly he plays fast he plays loose and he is very impulsive so there's often no point nailing down these details because they're going to change once the president gets involved in the room this is been one of the frustrations one of the concerns we should point out from some of the more experienced negotiators on donald trump's in the national security adviser john bolton who certainly has had deep reservations about these discussions who was not present at the dinner with the north korean leader and the u.s. president and also the secretary of state mike pompei oh we should point out back in the united states there are also being concerns and warnings to the president where he'd just smith saying that they had the expectation that the north korean leader would never commit to. there i think because this is what gave him
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legitimacy this is going to be the i told you so moment the president is going to have to face that is very public testimony that was given on capitol hill to the senate intelligence committee the director of national intelligence dan coats as well as the cia director of the hospital they made this warning to the president disregarded it now the president has to head back to washington d.c. no agreement cut short absolutely and both leaders the very unpredictable making it very difficult for all of the aides as you just pointed out to come to an igloo for the moment kimberly was still waiting for that press conference is going to come right back to you as a when that does is going to take a little opportunity at this point to look at the issue at hand which is of course north korea's nuclear program and this is something that's been shrouded in secrecy for you is let's take a look with. much of what we know about north korea's nuclear arsenal comes from
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what pyongyang itself releases these pictures made available in the final months of u.s. president barack obama's administration provided startling images of potential progress for an intelligence agency scrutinize these photographs in detail to try and determine if this device was actually an atomic bomb and september twenty sixth north korea conducted its nuclear test and announced it had standardized the production of nuclear warheads the north has long maintained that its nuclear arsenal is necessary to deter an invasion by u.s. troops and even if the props aren't real u.s. intelligence officials would conclude six months into the trumpet ministration that north korea had successfully miniaturized an atomic weapon like this small enough to fit on a missile and after successfully test firing intercontinental ballistic missiles new u.n. sanctions were imposed and the u.s. president warned of a five year fury and frankly power. right the world has never seen
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that's if it didn't stop making threats when north korea responded by unveiling plans to fire missiles near the u.s. pacific island territory of guam and its military bases then in september twenty seventeen photographs were released that said more alarm bells ringing in washington kim jong un inspecting what appears to be a hydrogen bomb small enough to fit on an intercontinental ballistic missile later that day a seismic event possibly to north korea that south korea says was manmade a six nuclear test its largest to date it created tremors that were felt in china and russia ugh you know yet analysts have their doubts about the claims made by pyongyang because they can't be independently verified but these images have always sent signals to foreign adversaries and researchers who use them to make models like these created by the center for nonproliferation studies for the nuclear threat initiative to estimate size weights and explosive energy of these devices
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from ground imagery we can extrapolate certain dimensions from missiles and design concepts from our nuclear weapons display and we can try to understand better what the projections of their missile ranges are and what type of designs they're going six weapons have already been used in tests but what about the others well south korea thinks the north may have up to sixty with this kind of thermonuclear bomb being the most powerful and while there hasn't been another test in more than a year and north korea is talking to the united states korea watchers believe the north has continued producing plutonium and highly enriched uranium along with ballistic missiles enough perhaps for several more weapons able to be attached to rockets capable of reaching much of the world so many believe that it's probably a good thing these two are at least talking although cynics say it may well turn out to be little more than another photo opportunity. daniel pinkston is a north korea expert and in that. in international relations at troy university in
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seoul he joins us now from the south korean capital to have you with this is very with all these surprising developments that is you can give us a little bit of context do you think that it's good news or bad that no agreement has been signed. well it depends i guess the good news is that there was no harm done i guess that's the first principle in international relations and i think that trump has the potential at least to do some damage it's better to walk away from a bad deal than to rush into a bad agreement there were concerns because of domestic pressures in the us that might be desperate to sign a poor agreement so i don't know what the sticking points were but i think would be unrealistic to expect that in this summit meeting there would be a comprehensive agreement a settlement that was mutually beneficial and agreeable to all sides and parties in the region so those details would have to be worked out it would be very complex so
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if in fact the working level of officials and bureaucrats can go back and hammer out a good agreement and it could be signed later that would be a good development so we'll just have to wait and see but in the realm of arms control not just denuclearization but in other areas as well there's a lot of low hanging fruit that north korea could demonstrate its seriousness they could sign the chemical weapons convention for example they could take some other steps to demonstrate its seriousness of to change its missile program into a peaceful outer space exploration program and other things that they could do so we'll have to wait and see if north korea is willing to do that do you think that trump is finally facing what other u.s. presidents might have known we'll all told by their advisers that north korea the north korean regime kim jong. un kim jong il to pull him just very difficult to
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negotiate with. i think that's correct anyone who studies north korean history their foreign policy their domestic political system the ideology how the party works how the kim family maintains control and how they've been able to transfer power across three generations those specialist will realize the role of power and military force how force is views viewed in that system the north koreans are the ultimate realists they would not give up instruments of power as they're currently organized to give up nuclear weapons it's most powerful instrument in exchange for some other mechanism to provide for state security some collective or cooperative institutional arrangement for example would represent revolutionary change in the thinking would be something like glass nosed or perestroika in the soviet union or banning part apartheid in south africa something
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like that and north korea could get that thinking out the state the party in the state has control of the media we would hear from diplomats who would hear it in the media there's no sign of this they believe that power is the only security the instrument for security in a menacing international system so even though there are some vague statements by kim jong un and his predecessors father and his grandfather that they would denuclearize it's basically in the concept of this global zero when everyone else the nucular arises in this kind of idealistic term they frozen some parts of the program they've invited inspectors in i think maybe they were hedging in the early ninety's but it's very clear the steps that they've taken that they are serious about wanting to have these capabilities they've developed them they possess them and i don't think they were ready to abandon the.

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