tv Inside Story 2019 Ep 67 Al Jazeera March 8, 2019 8:32pm-9:01pm +03
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the kenya found on the edge of the sahara is on the brink of disaster because of a surge in fighting involving various groups the u.n. says a humanitarian crisis is unfolding for its twenty million people so what's behind this violence and could it spread across west africa this is inside story. hello again i'm james bays became used to be best known for hosting the continent's most prestigious film festival in the capital ouagadougou a lot has changed now it's better known for an increasing amount of violence groups
are attacking any vestige of the state and there's a growing tension between ethnic groups the situation is so bad the u.n. has warned of an impending disaster became so along with mali mauritania and chad have been working with european help to improve security in the saddle yet more than seventy thousand people have been forced from their homes and became a fast so in the last two months groups of attacks schools and hospitals furthermore the u.s. has warned that violence could destabilize the whole region. let's take a closer look at the unrest there been more than two hundred attacks since twenty sixteen the think tank the international crisis group says security began to deteriorate two years earlier when longtime president blaise com pora was forced from office after twenty seven years the current president rushed to war or declared a state of emergency in fourteen out of forty five provinces at the end of last
year it followed an attack that killed at least ten soldiers near the border with mali the government resigned in january and a new prime minister was appointed the united nations estimates that one point two million people desperately need aid well let's start our discussion by speaking to one of the most important people in why good dugu and that's the head of the u.n. office the u.n. resident coordinator metsi. met see can i start by asking you what the situation is like there now in the country the political situation the security situation and the humanitarian situation it's bad isn't it. well thank you james listen as i'm speaking to you the country is experiencing an unprecedented in ten hour displacement crisis only in the past eight weeks about fifty thousand families were forced to flee their villages due to
attacks and threats and that number brought the number of internally displaced people to a modern hundred thousand so we have doubled internally displaced persons in less than two months and displacements are averaging about a thousand people pay day because of the situation. on february the fourteenth the humanitarian community in support of government response launched a humanitarian appeal there are peerless ease for close to a million people who need direct assistance for displaced families as well as host communities that appeal is requesting one hundred million dollars just recently the year where now deputy our emergency relief coordinator was with me out in the
south in the camps where we went to be with the displaced families what we saw was in a tent that is meant to only have ten people there where more than thirty families orton that is a reason we are calling on the humanitarian community and the partners that are focusing on humanitarian support to scale up the response i see that are here tonight from a lot of money they're asking for that much it's a lot of money you're asking for i see that i'm a quite often these appeals in the u.n. you never actually get the money that you're asking for that's the humanitarian situation but does the u.n. need to be asking for help for the government there for the security situation as well because just having money to feed people to shelter people is not going to stop the attacks from the armed groups. the government is fully
aware of the challenges that is faced with and we all know that the we have to address the situation from multiple angles and multiple fronts it comes to the security situation the u.n. security council hasn't even met to discuss the situation in the country do you think the u.n. needs to also be looking at the political and the security situation as well as the humanitarian situation you not as we speak in their responses have to be addressed at multiple levels you are absolutely correct there's a political level there's a development level as well as a humanitarian level while the political discussions are ongoing we are right now have to i attend to the most pressing needs of populations we have to be a working very closely with the patmos to ensure that we cannot find so sustains
its development tragic tree and we have to pull all the stops to make sure that the development tragic tree is not hard to it by loss just tell our viewers how many staff does the u.n. have under your command there can you just give us the the big number. i am responsible for coordinating about twenty u.n. agencies eleven a resident then and i'm not resident in book enough hours so we have staff located in the field that are supporting directly communities and their staff will are cons far but hundred people that are out hundred fifty people that are out in the field or and many other things that i am so sorry to stop you there because we don't have a lot of time but it is worth comparing that hundred hundred fifty people with what the u.n. has next door in mali where there are some sixteen thousand including peacekeepers and it does seem to me that right now the security situation in the two countries
don't seem to be that different metsi from the united nations resident coordinator thank you very much and thank you for the opportunity. let's discuss all this further with three experts on the country that have eloise for an independent research based and begin a fire so she joins us by skype from we're going to go from london we have paul malley a consulting fellow in the africa program at chatham house and in dhaka in senegal we have adama gaye a west africa analyst and a senegalese journalist can i start by trying to get the three of you to give us the context how we got to this situation with the security fast deteriorating eloise seem to be there are a number of factors one seems to be problems in other parts of the region like mali and even libya can you bring us up to speed. yes or so obviously
confessed to have been spared as until recently but it was one of the rare countries in the region that have been spared from insecurity as you say but i sense a great issues in neighboring countries is. and for a long time because as it was spared from this because let's compare the former president had some kind of an official arrangement and this has come to late now after after after a blistering. was toppled by the insurrection and so obviously now the situation has changed and their army has seen so many shuffling in what can access all the intelligence. intelligence network framework the whole confessor has been also damaged by the insurrection and saw now that security that has that was existing in there in the rest of the region has come to the castle and
this is also something that was it's. because it's quite new i think the new government that came in in twenty fifteen was not was maybe not ready. to face it paul if i can ask you to take on what you just heard from always how much do you think the fact that there has been attention on mali has actually forced some of the problems into bikini faso and how much is this a domestic problem and a domestic created problem after a long term president who had a very tight grip on things standing down. well i think there are two things going on of course mali said the central and northern regions of mali that have been very troubled since twenty eleven twenty twelve they have a very long border with kenya so there's been some over spill of violence and for
example jihadist groups that have moved back and forth across the frontier and it's a very long frontier and the countries in the region and now creating a joint force which is trying to strengthen security in these border areas but it is a very difficult military challenge if you like and there is inevitably some over spill for mali but i think another factor is that became a fast so itself has gone through a very distinctive political evolution it was from the eighty's on woods regarded as something of a pioneer of a leading the leading country in terms of grassroots development and so with the administration that was perceived if you like by outside players and by other countries in the region as relatively coherent relatively well developed but at the same time you had for a very long period in power. north or
a tarion president who in twenty fourteen and effectively in a people power revolution because he was trying to prolong his stay in power was turfed out of office and. that led to a transitional did new democratic government elected and they've had to inherit this situation and as a louise was explaining some of the arrangements that the former president had made with armed groups in the region had helped to shield the king of where is the new democratic government didn't have those range with so it's faced a very difficult challenge and because of this. past perception that the keno was possibly one of the most strongly administered better organized countries in the sahara well there was perhaps. perhaps international partners were a little bit caught off guard not quite expecting the scale of pressures that we've
seen surging up in brooklyn or over the last year or so whereas in mali they they were used if you like international partners we used to the idea the situation was very fragile so you had a combination of things coming together a distinctive political history with bikini trying to come together come to terms with some very difficult episodes in its past let me bring in levy bring in a dark ations in trials to let me bring in a dharma in dakar dharma also the backdrop to all of this is a very very poor country tell us how the economy and the poverty of the people the lack of health care plays into the situation the tear ating situation on the ground . of course that's one of the splits of the problem in the book you have to store which is to support the numbed law country is
a vast country and this state is not always present across the london so that forces this to some forces military forces kind of operate freely and play the role that the state is not providing let's say school or those jobs if trust such a other amenities are provided by forty forces stationed in put a spin or the route of the country after the collapse of course they're going to be and their pension started being strong in mud the next dog in need yet even in chad and but what i'm here is legit but i'm sure you had another aspect that one needs to come to that the fact that democrat the session in the us we got including in book it of a song is given during a spark to people women to be really very effective in managing to state when they
sit in that office is that beautiful cars and really make the best pitches at the end of the day did don't deliver the goods and i think this is really really really at the core of the brim the need to get out of bed offices be competent leaders in order to provide that that of leadership that does in published missions need after all there is another aspect that one has to address this is the president of the united nations africa countries have been given control of to the united nations and does is editions there become a part of the international bureaucracy they also benefit from this coming out of aid leading to a dead defected from the international community giving them ill. top rig is really a way to see all the musicians in an important environment ok i've done what i did a study they're going to talk about i'm going to talk about the international
community adama and what they should do and what they shouldn't do in a moment but and always very quickly this isn't easy to answer quickly perhaps you could tell us who the different groups are because from what i've read there are at least four distinct fighting groups involved in taking on the military. yes so i mean the i have to admit that i'm not a security expert i'm more political experts but. there are several groups that exist out rating in the country and one of them is more arcade that has the it it that comes from money and that has as paul was saying before there has been some spillover from from the answer that have been active in looking at ourselves and there is also a group that that has been founded in working at us or. in the north of tokyo first of all is lan so this is like a really that
a domestic who it's looking a bit like even though a. founder of this port had been previously trained in one and those groups are more active around than i am border and north of booking office so that since i think for the past year there has been growing insecurity handling and bring that number of attacks in the east of the country. which has the security there as really believe that it it it's over it's over the in a matter of months the number of attacks s.k. rocketed and those attacks has not been. claimed by any groups that there is. you know there is some believe that those are related more to. to. these kind of states that comes more from from the air and in the sense that in in
this part of in this region and that is more erlich to the situation in these areas so it's ok it's ok to use different bombs i'd like to ask paul i mean that seems a very complex situation that any military and intelligence service in the world would find difficult give us your assessment of the abilities of the forces of book you know fast so are they any good at dealing with a new enemy like this or are they overwhelmed. i don't think they're overwhelmed but. it is a much much more difficult task than what they used to be accustomed to dealing with because. under the regime of the presidential security regiment which was seen as the sort of core of loyalty to him as president they were privileged if you like in terms of military equipment and treatment and training and so on so since the collapse of the regime.
the military really has had to have it's a question of refreshing it i guess and training it in antiterrorist type activities. that it didn't previously really have to engage in so the military wasn't really equipped for this task it's it's a new role and it's particularly difficult because. as louise was explaining the these groups include elements who are spilling over from neighboring countries but also elements that are indigenous to begin a facet so it's not just a question of sending in soldiers with a lot of equipment and guns into an area you have the problem that this is mixed up with intercommunal tensions and grievances and for example competition between. livestock herding people and people who are farmers and and so it's as
much a question of trying to restore community fabric and trust as it is of direct military intervention and that makes it even more complicated and so. as as we've seen in mali some if the international community does deploy large scale military force that may sometimes be necessary but it isn't who it isn't the whole of the solution it can't be all of the solution and where the underlying political structure and administration is still much stronger than in northern and central mali probably it's a question of trying to work out how to strengthen the local forces while also rebuilding . trust in community institutions increase things like local justice there had to have been a phenomenon for example of what it called the cold will go which was essentially a community very indictive community justice because the official justice system of
the state had was absent was inadequate is it so who is says are your forms told not a lot of other july mts there on the ground in parts of the country of dharma it was interesting paul was mentioning marley what i find fascinating is that when it became a fossil is dealing with this it's got so many of its troops actually next door in mali it is the thirteenth largest contributor to un peacekeeping and has some three thousand soldiers serving with the u.n. surely they needed back home now. saluted look did you have peacekeeping operation heads because money making position people i know who did that for peace but that yes we did to get to the ends in order to be denied for themselves they don't care for us in an objective so we said this is it it will get
us will be abelian amounts it will and i was kept by what i so it's like it was a standstill got a treat for seven years oh if yes i hadn't been there but i still think all f. or nothing was done to create a new airport like in many a west african countries industry ditto for that who i could see separating the many women just like get out of woman we did they did they people playing in just did then also the forces security forces that were supposed to bring back a sense of security you can see that there are many who are there one case and i was talking to my driver is that these people if you bred them to look at except that i wouldn't you know what i would want in these in this in these more deaths on the place is this different security even the airport ok so you did your job your painting a picture of a government adama that is struggling with this and always quickly as we end our
discussion what should the international community do the french presidency has started of the u.n. security council yet the u.n. security council hasn't even discussed this crisis once. yes so at first i think that. i don't really see that the picture as bleak as as an american a safe one from we're going to go and definitely the security forces need more support than more training than in more equipment there also needs to there is a need to make sure that that on commits abuses but you know in this industry to ration because there is a growing concern that is is are being committed by security forces which obviously is also what will you know worst but will feed into the insecurity and the radicalization of some people that will act on the other groups ok halls into what i calls you on this as well paul very quickly as we end our discussion what do you
think the international community should do sixteen thousand or so u.n. personnel in mali just about our hundred fifty u.n. staff became a fossil. well i think the situation in mali is very different there was effectively a war there so it's a radically different situation i think what's really needed in booking a faster is probably further support to help the base state build up its presence and its capacity whether it's police whether it's john there are sometimes the army but also those vital public services and justice says the things that for example there's a huge number more the hundred thousand became a bit children are currently not in school because insecurity has forced teachers to close local schools in some areas so it's a supporting of the state to rebuild its presence or to reinforce its presence
because booking a fessor does have a very strong sense of itself and strong political culture remember this is a country that only a few years ago through people power protest turfed out a longstanding or thora tarion rule or there's a very powerful political tradition and sense of national pride and working with that will be much more effective than just trying to sort of copy the sort of heavy heavy duty intervention that was seen in mali for example we must leave it at that thank you to all our guests eloise both tall paul mellie and adama gaye giving us a comprehensive picture of a fast moving story inside stories here every day you can always catch the program again by visiting our website al-jazeera dot com we like to hear from you too we're on facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story while on twitter or on at age eight inside story until next time for me james bosun the two of i know.
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