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and the these killings are documented it goes beyond just god as you know blackwater got billions of dollars in u.s. government contracts and that billions more than a billion dollars in u.s. government contracts to an area for over twelve years and yet a scathing u.s. state department investigation found that blackwater quote was over billing the state department and manipulating personal records its guards were partying drinking and even crashed an armored car and saw themselves as quote above the law pretty damning the u.s. state department saying this but the company they've given contracts to over billing and manipulating we never paid any fines for anything like that that's a fact you paid fines for a lot of things the only thing we paid a fine for it was a elation and i gave an example of the otoh if you say the only thing you paid a fine for you paid seven point five million dollars fine and twenty twelve to settle seventeen criminal charges you paid a full million dollar settlement are a department in two thousand and ten for illegal arms sales. two thousand and twelve it already sold the business i saw that in two thousand and ten but the cases go back beyond two thousand and ten the criminal charges raided all sorts of things that went back years including south sudan you broke u.s.
sanctions to try and sell weapons to south sudan knowing going to there's no weapons in south sudan there was a proposal on the mineral you never put a proposal on the table to salvage his government one hundred million dollars actually the issue there was a satellite phone so you did put a proposal on the table to sell the kids government no wonder what the state department complained about then that was back in two thousand and five was a my point is an actual a very dangerous satellite phone the same thing you can buy and he threw dutifully we can argue about the fines let's just deal with this report the u.s. state department said you were manipulating personal records over billing the state department and your gods were partying drinking and even crashed an armored car the state department best occasion in two thousand and seven. look we employed thousands of people and i would never say that the men were perfect we didn't employ angels we employed veterans who volunteered to serve their country again in a very dangerous place and like i said forty one of them paid the ultimate cost and hundreds more were seriously wounded it's amazing that when you say we didn't
employ angels we employed veterans but right now you want to do it all again that's the problem is it not. well here's the thing after after seventeen years of war ok where the united states is spending more than the entire you gave the budget defense budget just this year and still losing in afghanistan i think it's time to look at a different way i want to talk about afghanistan but just before we get to your afghan plan i just want to get to what drives you when you kind of come up with these plans to do private security especially at these muslim majority countries because you yourself have referred to the people your men were fighting in iraq as barbarians who crawled out of the sewer you say in your memo these were the chanting barbarians american troops have been sent to liberate sure if you people that think it's ok to drive a car bomb into the middle of a square in the middle market place while to attempt to kill an american and in doing so they kill dozens and dozens of civilians absolutely that's barbaric which is true i think if you've read charity called whatever you want but you said these were the chanting barbarians american troops have been sent to liberate you weren't sent to liberate terrorists sounds like talk about iraq e s.
. certainly look this very day will was for you remember the decision this is. the u.s. decision to go to. liberate iraq from saddam hussein who did a lot more horrid things than we can even speak of here that was certainly the intent i certainly had no role in that policy decision ok but you don't you don't believe iraq is above areas of the snow but i believe that terrorists that car bombs in the city square certainly are ok you're proposing now to privatized the u.s. led war in afghanistan you suggested replacing almost fifty thousand nato troops and private contractors with two thousand u.s. special operators and six thousand contractors and you want to cut spending there you think by thirty billion dollars which sounds great and i think one thing we can definitely grown as we both think the afghan war is not going well and has been a bit of a failure but given one hundred forty thousand nato troops couldn't control that country would defeat the taliban back in twenty eleven what on earth makes you
think that a few thousand contractors are going to do it now under your command because after nine eleven we take you back in the five days after nine eleven happened when president bush had a war cabinet meeting up at camp david the pentagon the best thing that the most expensive military in the world came with was a missile and some bombing strikes and then a conventional invasion via pakistan the following april case literally while the headquarters of the pentagon is still smoldering the best the u.s. military came with was the most conventional and most cumbersome approach it was the cia that said money authorities the right people who were going after the taliban and that worked ok less than one hundred special operators cia case officers paramilitary guys in s.f. guys backed by air power. and they smash the taliban and they are all peoples of them but that's fine you topple them you have control of the country because more than six thousand people sure wrecked but then the united states repeated the soviet battle plan so it's not i believe in battle plan that six thousand people
can do one hundred forty thousand couldn't show i'm not an expert on mouth but that seems we did well here's the thing you have fifteen thousand u.s. troops there now there's about seven thousand nato and another thirty thousand contractors so i'm not advocating a privatization of advocating a rationalization at a significant cost savings the way the u.s. has been deploying there they send a unit for seven or eight months they spend the first two or three months getting to know the area and then a couple of months they're very productive in the last month they're ready to pack up and they lift and shift and they go home ok and then you rinse and repeat you do that again and we've done thirty plus rotations of troops like that and as you have no continuity instead i would take the same special forces veterans that have been working there from the u.s. from nato and the usa and not angels. these are the same people the u.s. military and nato has been spending sending there for the last seventeen years but the difference is as a contractor they can go and attach to the same unit and live in the same valley and live and work and train and fight with those guys with afghan counterparts
month after month for years so they have that continuity is that second resume the afghan government they don't like your plan they say it's a nonstarter they said on the no circumstances will we allow the war to become a quote private for profit business to form afghan president hamid karzai said even when the opposes your proposal i think you would say differently if you asked him now i literally asked his office on friday and they said they're dead against it. well i've talked to other people i talk to other people his office who disagree with. the current government here say things their position is well. under no circumstance i doubt very much that ashraf ghani will win in the next election but you're waiting for a change of president to get your plan. here's the thing if they don't do a plan like this if there is not a skeletal structure support supporting the afghan forces the next president going to wind up like knowledgeable that did the problem is the way you pitched it is giving was helpful to tell the afghans we're going to be like quote the east india company which violently ruled india on behalf of the british empire in the
eighteenth and nineteenth century was it wise to talk about having a viceroy in charge of the country i mean you know hiding the fact that this is a colonialist project when you use language like that but here's the thing the united states has no one person that's in charge of afghan policy there's nobody that the president can turn to and say why is afghanistan after this and. yeah sure that doesn't help he doesn't control the military his intro the intelligence funding he doesn't control if i agree with do you think you need someone a vice we're in charge of east india company is going to go down well with brown folks. look for two hundred fifty years that security model largely worked of mostly local forces with a few professional mentors only acting as a sick little structure support but the difference is i'm not there as a colonial power these these these mentor. right the contractors and special forces veterans are serving as adjunct in the afghan forces accountable to the afghan ministry of defense and of course the president if they're flying aircraft we actually found two seater aircraft where the contractor never makes the weapons
release decision it is always the afghan but he flies the plane. safety pilot ok in two thousand and four in afghanistan a blackwater pilot flying a plane with u.s. soldiers on board flew the plane into the side of a mountain he crashed the plane into the mountain killing six passengers on board including three u.s. soldiers the captain's last words blackwater employee flying the plane his last words were i swear to god they wouldn't pay me if they knew how much fun this was you were paying him eric prince he'd only been in the country two weeks have you your employees learned any lessons from that horrific incident before you go back into afghanistan sure we operated fifty six aircraft there safely for many many years we flew tens of thousands of missions safely the difficult thing is when the your customer asks you or tasks you to change your route so that the colonel on board could go view an enemy area on the way to as a deviation from the plan navigation accidents happen that's right it's a danger and yes there is going to need and safety board and the u.s.
military both said the blackwater provided is sufficient oversight and guidance to the pilots involved in the crash the widow of that colonel says that there was a gross lack of judgment in managing this company who was managing the company at that time in two thousand for i just told them the former operations officer of the former operations officer sixty the most elite helicopter you know in the world so you have people that definitely understand aviation were in charge of the u.s. military the national transportation safety board criticized your company's role in the accident and they reinstated this and we were flying missions again within five days of that incident gray needed a very good job bush administration that's got nothing to do with the culpability that your company had for the deaths of those u.s. soldiers they didn't die at the hands of the taliban they died at the hands of blackwater they died at the hands of an accident made by a pilot flying in a very difficult area i mean blackwater executives were e-mailing each other at the time the e-mail came out said by necessity the initial group hired to support the afghanistan operation did not meet the criteria identified in e-mail traffic and had some background and experience shortfalls overlooked in favor of getting the
requisite number of personnel on. told to start up the contract you're saying internally your own company's admitting to each other he's got his own experience but i need to get the contract up and running is this what you want to replicate in afghanistan now the pilots flying the mission that day had come from alaska they or they were literally high country bush policies are not people that are flying in the over the swamps of florida they were flying on you when you were executives e-mailing each other saying that we have experience shortfalls but we need to get the contract up and running what were they saying that because the transportation because the army material command was demanding the missions to support the missions here's the families felt no no no no trying to serve a customer in a very difficult place we flew tens of thousands in hundreds of thousands of missions after that safely and no incidents ok let's go to our panel here in the oxford union sean mcfate is a former private military contractor former officer in the u.s. army a professor at georgetown author of the book the new rules of war surely you've said u.s. generals have loft at eric's plan for afghanistan you've called it unworkable and
even magical thinking why blackwater if this was a job interview i would not give you the contract because blackwater was simply a body guard shop in iraq you've never raised or deployed a military like you're advertising now i have in places and it takes hold it's a lot more sophisticated than just mentors in the field it doesn't quite up to political leadership in kabul and they've already had message that they don't support this this is a dead deal in my opinion well and that you're mistaken because we built the entire afghan border police that was fifteen thousand people we did all the recruiting the training the vetting and we actually had mentors that went the field with them in the success rate of these units when our guys were allowed to go with them effectively as training wheels their success rate went very very high and it worked ok so you know i guess i'm the only guy that can say i've had fifty six of my own aircraft in country doing that kind of work for the u.s.
military ok how does an award winning journalist. from iraq you've covered conflicts in iraq afghanistan yemen and beyond gate how do the iraqi people remember blackwater and erik prince in your view i mean it's amazing to kind of sit here and listen to eric and speak of a block or so in the services they did in iraq because the word blackwater is synonymous with the worst of the american occupation of iraq that is not a single iraqi that i you know i mean i'm one of those barbarians that was liberated by your country but there is not a single you who would you just mention the word black was as to who would not say corruption violence and i'm not talking only about the kind of massacre but i'm talking about the whole ten years of the existence of these muslims and i think part of the failure of the american project and out of was due to the using of the continent is it is a major problem that you could concede that even if your plan is a good one you shouldn't be the one doing it given the legacy you've left behind
with certainly here is the thing your your math is a little skewed because the us didn't invade iraq till two thousand and three i sold the company in two thousand and ten so that's certainly not ten years the company and the company traveling with it we we tracked all the vehicles where everybody was moving ok and there is dozens and dozens of times that it was brought up there was a blackwater event here blackwater went there and we didn't have people within two hundred kilometers of that location the sad thing is blackwater became likely next a big name wanted to know why because you became this because what we were the largest one doing you know because you were very worthwhile mission is the reason i mean you gave the work i mean in iraq now or in yemen or any of these places they don't use the word contractors something they use blackwater in yemen in wherever in somalia they don't use mercenaries ok if you've been in afghanistan region is a lot of if you're reporting do you think afghans will welcome this plan eric is putting on the table. i've met administrator in office wills high security
officials of the count of one of them astray sions opposition and some of your own friends in afghanistan and all agree on one thing it's not going to work and i agree with you totally the seventeen years have been to two ways the fall of the you know copy. the soviet plan this is something we agree on however we're not beating government officials are not talking to the minister you're talking to all the letter either mistaken i meet with dozens of afghan officials both in and out of the government from all over the country be they go tariq back. and the warlords write all the people that are going to be voting in the afghan allies so we're going to get american to go on was in one more level we need to come in colonel tim collins is here tim you once commanded british troops during iraq you gave that famous speech that a lot of us remember in two thousand and four you quit the army and founded new century a private minter consulting company how would you evaluate what happened on his watch what's the hold it a different thing i think what we have to remember and indeed i've discussed this with that many times with the u.s. state department the u.s.
military asked for services they encouraged they were enthusiastic to a point of hysteria that blackwater go into these missions when it went wrong they ran a mile and so you have to look at those people and say at a point where there was chairman of the joint chiefs of staff were visiting the facility and encouraging more and more of these services to be privatized and that all it and when things went wrong they turned their back on you saying the prince about what was scapegoated by the u.s. government well i think that as a result of the rather expensive court case that you've been through i think that was the conclusion in the end is that the criticism i as a contractor would level is that blackwater and the organization probably grew too fast there was people who went initially. we were of the highest delta force seal
team six thousand and sixty some of the people who are coming in at the end of nowhere near and it's a question of who supervising them because the people when we look at them who were in court and convicted we're not of the quality we're not of the hue how did they get there how did they get there while we're hearing paul quality circle towards the end of your beard in iraq well because there's literally not enough delta force or seal team six or even seals for that matter to do that mission you go to marine infantry or army infantry the one fair characterization that i will say is. blackwater did two types of missions you work for the state department they dictated you must drive a polished waxed suburban a big issue would be armored eleven thousand pounds lights and sirens down the road and when you drive the same route every day that the state department tells you to it's very easy for the enemy to set up an ambush you keep saying in gauge when ambushes just to be clear for the audience one study found that you black hole to open fire first in eighty four percent of the shootings is
a little defensive because your god first ok but it's not just a matter of the enemy opening fire with a firearm to attack they open fire with a trigger switch and they drive up to you and destroy you me literally but there's also you know a million strong as it's nine year old children taken away to work whether it's hamas in palestine in pakistan afghanistan or iraq bad guys like ambulances with explosives and kill innocent people not in the cases i cited we're going to take a break in part two we're going to talk to erik prince about some of his work in china and his relationship with the trumpet ministration and we're going to hear from our very patient audience here in the oxford union join us for part two.
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a point six billion dollars to help pay for his border war with mexico donald trump is expected to make the request when he delivers his twenty twenty budget roadmap on monday those are the headlines now back to head to head. welcome back you'll want to head to head on al-jazeera english my guest today is erik prince the founder former c.e.o. of blackwater also a big supporter of and donor to president donald trump eric i want to talk to you about your relationship with president trump moment but before i do just very briefly your currently executive deputy chairman of frontis services group f s g a hong kong based security logistics firm that you found it why is f s g opening a training center for security guards in of all places province in china where up to a million muslim we are being held in basically concentration camps right now there's a lot of mis reporting on that the company is not opening any training facility up there that was actually discussed at
a board meeting the reporting got it wrong the only there was some kind of memorandum signed for construction services now training the company doesn't do any training of any police or security forces why did i say that at all why did your company say it was establishing training facilities it was going to sign him or you for construction without a press release march the second with your name on it for contract now my name we are going names on the press release your names on the press to me several times and it says i've got the press release. china establishing training facilities and buying security equipment in vehicles. again it was for construction services this training facility if you look at the actual translation from mandarin to english it was structured services the only other is we don't need only as your company's english press release we really only training service is the only thank you that. is for people like bank of china employees or china airlines employees because they travel the world and they go to dangerous places and so you are waiting people in
should know their presence was wrong there is the company has zero footprint in china so it's not establishing the training facility it said it was establishing a march the second twenty in english language press release. the board has discussed this twice in there is not one dollar or r. and b. allocated for anything like that ok and you've got nothing to do with what's going on with the weaker muslims and zero ok but you do have a lot to do with the chinese government so for someone who sees himself as a great american patriot veteran navy seal america first donald trump support isn't all that you do so much security business with the chinese government which is seen by many including by president trump as a major geopolitical adversary of the united states in that way it is not a conflict again the company doesn't do any security perceval does some training for people to avoid being a victim of a terror of terrorism is that if there is no blackwater sorry no no official gee you're right there is no way no official employee that's armed doing that kind of
secure working in china your hong kong based the majority of your shirt if you really really come to me as a chinese owned is it not it's well it's retail investors everything from mutual funds in their currency chinese own yes or no i don't know if it's a majority but there's a lot of chinese ownership sure how much the company or the executives deputy chair no it's publicly listed it's all publicly disclosed tell us the fact is the company does grocery delivery trucking all through southern africa we do medivac with the biggest medivac provider but there's no conflict between working for the chinese and working for the u.s. as you want to do now in afghanistan you don't think there's a conflict there but american patriot acts veteran look america is a big trading partner of china and helping china connected logistics lines for better trade i think countries that trade together tend to not fight together ok but against sure it is a form of private military contract to form officer in the u.s. army professor at georgetown university author of the book the new rules of war short is there a conflict of interest it is a concern do you think in washington d.c. where you are based yes there is a big interest so last year the national defense strategy which is the pentagon's
strategy for the world shifted the first time in years away from counterterrorism counterinsurgency into the threats of russia and china and we all know that china. uses its economic instruments of power to you know it's to look at they did to sri lanka they took over a port as if they were a mafia don so it's not just economic trade there's also a darker aspect to it and many in washington see you as one of their sort of weapons of war and you're a chinese weapon of will absolutely not and because we're not doing any kind of training building there tactical what about the leverage shown the ability and about the economic leverage the fact is what does the company do now does trucking in transportation from southern africa you can deliver groceries from cape town all the way up to the d.r. see we medivac we fly people all over the continent and we do significant air operations out of malta supporting hopefully oil operations in countries like iraq
or pakistan or the hydro dams look at countries around the world with china shows up a lot of money a lot of people to do infrastructure projects the russians are showing up with muscle and weapons the united states is largely missed the boat the one positive change the trump administration has made is that change the law changed last october for opec the overseas private investment corporation the only part of the u.s. government that actually makes money and now they're shifted a huge budget away from the state department of opec so that it is managed and it allows more investment also a little bit of trade with china which might put you into different comes at the same time let me ask little tim collins this question is here you are a famous officer in the british army now you're chairman of your own private security consultancy new century how do you respond to critics who say when you run these private for profit companies you're only loyal to yourselves or to your bottom lines you're not loyal to a national government and that's a problem that's that makes you conflicted what's your response to people who say that well in the day there's a thing called international law nobody does anything on that side and if they do
them then the the must be held accountable the difficulty is the only people who will subject to a law themselves to be regulated all the good guys there are meshing reactivity. all over the world the reality is that many people in this room don't realize that many governments in the world particularly in pakistan india around the middle east maintain people who they pay and deploy as contractors and these are people who are committing atrocities they won't be regulated ok so let me put that point very briefly sean very briefly what's your response has been about regulation do you think companies like erik's as regulated as they should be while i'm a little bit more skeptical about the power of international law in general about mercenaries because the thing about you know who's going to go into yemen and arrest all those mercenary at the u.n. and if so the mercenaries can shoot back right they can kill your law enforcement and i'm not suggesting that erik's that would be eric's plan but eric as part of
a broader trend of the rise of mercenaries what word is this and you know private wars wars without states that's of and what if the u.s. to partake in this area let me ask you this you're a big supporter of donald trump you've been questioned by special counsel robert muller over the russia gate investigation he looked at your laptop and your phones i believe you've also testified to congress in november twenty seventh and you told congress under oath that you played quote no official or really unofficial role in the trump campaign what you didn't tell congress is that on august third twenty sixteen you were at a meeting during the campaign at trump tower with don junior trump son which stephen miller then a campaign advisor to trump with george nader a former blackwater colleague of yours who acts as a back channel to the saudis there moralities you're supposed to be convicted paedophile and also joel zemo an israeli expert on social media manipulation how come you didn't mention that meeting to congress given it's so relevant to their
investigation. i did as part of the part of the investigations i certainly disclosed in the ne meetings the very new i had on in the congressional testimony you gave to the house we went through you didn't mention anything about august twenty sixth meeting in trump tower i specifically asked you what context you have and you didn't answer that. i don't believe i was asked that question you asked whether any communicate for communications or contact with the campaign you said apart from writing papers putting up yard signs know what you said i've got the transcript of the conversation here. i mean i might have been i think it was at trump headquarters or the campaign headquarters probably twenty sixteen usable and israeli do a back channel to the emirates on the saudis don't jr and even miller were there to talk about iran policy through that about iran policy do you think that's something important to disclose to the house intelligence committee while you're under oath you did you didn't we just went through the testimony there's no mention of the trump tower meeting because twenty sixteen were not i don't know if they got the transcript wrong. or they got the transcript wrong so we could i don't know i
remember i remember certainly does dismiss it with you because we know that robert mueller he hasn't been able to establish collusion it but he has got a lot of guys for lying to the authorities and not telling the whole truth is that a problem now even if you accidentally didn't tell them that could come back and haunt you fully cooperated i haven't heard anybody i haven't heard from anybody in more than nine months i mean i mean members of congress after they discover this media have talked about certain witnesses not telling the truth but you believe you told congress about this meeting even if no in the transcript just to be clear i believe so ok you had another meeting which they did talk to you about in the seychelles on the eleventh jahnu twenty seventeen a week before trump's inauguration where good old george nader was there again on behalf of the amorality as was top russian oligarch cheryl dimitri of a close ally of law to me putin's the emirate of the stall that meeting as a as a way of creating a back channel between putin's guy dimitry of and trumps you didn't they. i don't think so i was there to talk to the iraqis about somalia and some of the other
problem areas that we didn't help with before was also about iran you know and it was so how did you end up with a with a russian oligarch who runs the russian direct investment fund and is seen by the admiralty as the messenger to putin they call him well i say recall the who are investors in that fund and any fund manager fun any fund manager tends to travel to where their lp their investors need them to be but what we chatting about with the russian dude. i've talked about in testimony and that's all i mean to say. but it was just a kind of accidental meeting yes even though georgia nader your fund raising like i said before it lasted one beer which doesn't take me very long. so you flew halfway around the world to a secret meeting in the seychelles to have one beer with. i was there to see the american leadership that's not what george nader seems to be telling the mother folks right now that were you the native country that your former colleague i think
it's amazing for you to try to view into the miller testimony that it's my impression to i mean ok that's that's what that's what's being reported ok. i want to bring in you mentioned iran interesting enough to bring in very briefly before we move on and i know the audience are waiting ghaith abdul-ahad is an award winning guardian journalist from iraq you've covered conflicts across the middle east when you hear about the emerald t.'s and trump and the saudis and the israelis what is that all about i mean mentioned iran is this all about iran i mean of course we're living kind of people say it's a cold war it's not a cold war anymore between their morality so these are the israelis and the iranians on the other side and what the monarchies are doing for example in yemen and i think you work with the iraqis and you advise them at one point they are actually implementing you are of understand plan so if you see the morality war in the air and it is tens of thousands of mercenaries local forces will skeleton troops from the immoralities a war that is being followed so viciously with no accountability whatsoever within
the big arch of fighting the iranians who did exist in yemen have you advocated using private private contractors to take on iran to the trumpet ministration you know you have people have accused of advocating the past you've talked about using private contracts to confront iran no you see no role for blackwater s.g. in any relation to iran now ok just to check before going to tell you what i've got asked one question last question you are part of a group of high profile trump supporters including steve bannon sheriff david clarke and others who are planning on raising private money to build a wall along the us mexico border you even have a go fund me paige. what i don't get though is i'm pretty sure i heard donald trump say that mexico would be paying for the war. don't discount mexico actually paying for the wall i think most of us have but yet more and more news on that look there's a lot of places where it's federal land and go fund me individual effort is not possible but there's a lot of places where u.s. ranchers or u.s.
landowners own land right up to the border they're sick of their farms effectively being massive transit spots for drug and criminal activity and so they would welcome that the guy who started that is a triple amputee a military veteran who started it and he's raised more than twenty million dollars and the cost per the you for the loss so you people for money when many when trump told us more than one hundred times people have counted that mexico would pay for the wall so why do we need you in this guy and it's me page from lied to will because i again don't discount mexico actually paying for part of the world. there are things that may happen that mexico end up paying he wanted to have the will hurt can say hey mexico is going to pay for paul to the wall part a very explicitly said that mexico will pay for the wall the last chapter is not written on that mark my words you will pay for the wall so then why are you fundraising. you want it both ways there is only the little bit to raise money
because people are frustrated they're sick of the president can't get mexico to pay for the wall two years into his presidency after claiming there it is a national security issue when you have thousands of people crossing the border with a lot of drugs look america has a huge opium and you know the majority of the next come through legal points of entry i'm talking about the funding trumps of mexico and from the wall did he lie to people when he said what used to be a bipartisan issue the democrats have made items that are to say that you didn't lie to us when he said mexico to pay for the well given your now trying to get americans to pay i don't believe the president has lied and like i said the last chapter of mexico paying for the wall is not done yet ok mark my word i will wait for them ok in the meantime americans are going to pay for it through your fundraiser let's go to our audience who's been waiting very patiently i'm going to go to the front here and we're going to the back gentleman here with the band. being originally iraq and having spent some time in iraq i've seen how iraqis still shudder at the name blackwater reminded of the endless aggression the use of weapons as call homes or even the use of tear gas as call traffic control do you not think that blackwater has
a role to play in perpetuating violence in iraq as well as laying the foundation for the creation of al qaida in isis there's one hundred ten thousand iraqi civilians have died after blackwater and involvement in iraq blackwater was not the problem in iraq a very sick tarion government dominated by iranian units that have been pounding on the sunni's and now pounding on the kurds is probably the thing that led to the drop of this even if that's part of it most military experts into the us military experts agree that high profile incidents whether it's abu ghraib did help act as a recruiting sergeant for groups like isis that didn't exist before the u.s. invaded iraq so something like the missile square massacre that is still remembered in baghdad may well have done helped people say you know what i'm going to go join an insurgent group that's how americans treat of private contractors shoot nine year old kids in the street shoot mothers with their children i think massive unemployment and an iraqi government that is you know when i'm not disputing that
i'm agreeing with you i was saying when you discount them in iraq you sitting at home seeing the missile square massacre didn't think you know what i might as well go join the insurgency this is how americans treat as innocent people no that's not you know look there is a justice a process that served there is actually accountability lots of investigation for that but like i said what i always want to ask that you don't answer the question as if iraq you sitting at home sees the missile square massacre you don't think that might incite him to join in a surge in there of course bad news travels fast and irritates people in mumbai going to be about news is what this gentleman suggesting but we did not create one hundred ten thousand iraqi civilians that were murdered ok i didn't go to. be in the arena and say let's go back to the audience gentlemen here in the red tide. i'd like to ask what you think some of president trump's greatest for and policy achievements have been thus far and what he should focus on for the next two years to secure reelection well you know the president he campaigned against endless wars
and the pentagon look there is a real military industrial complex but he's trying to stop that he is trying to remove or reduce the u.s. presence in afghanistan and in syria he's been getting the north koreans to the table and if you can actually go she and to the korean war it will be a magnificent first step and i think if that's if that's the case then the u.s. should be willing to pull all troops out of south korea and the u.s. presence in korea which we've been we've had for seventy seven years you're not a fan of iran is going to briefly should you negotiate with iran to why is it that iran is the evil regime nobody should talk to them but north korea i send them love letters he sends me love letters. to my knowledge i think there certainly is still back channel negotiations with the iranians as well but you know they continue to do. you know questionable things in syria ok let's go to let's go to the lady here in the gentleman there. hi this is also with regards to the august third meeting of
the sixteen you said that you mentioned it in your testimony to the house intelligence committee i have the transcript right here of the testimony on the thirtieth of november two thousand and sixteen you did and i could read from it if we don't have time for you to revise so why didn't you why you why are you saying you did when you could have another go answering this question why didn't you mention it in your test i mean it was nothing to hide not all the discussion that there was transcribed and that's a fact your answers to the questions suggest that there was no involvement that they asked you for example have you had any me at any meetings of the u.a.e. delegation prior to the official meeting and the august third meeting was proud to say that our meeting george another is a representative of the m.b. that was one like i said not everything was transcribed from that discussion you weren't there. you've been very kind of i admire you be very forthcoming to on this issue you're very don't want to say much are you worried are you worried about milo
no not at all now ok. let's go back to the audience let's go to the gentleman there . i was caught up in this was going back to covering this story at the time was mayhem as you know we saw people getting killed money on drugs it was in good mood we've discussed this with you before but just going back one listens have you learned from it and if done things differently then if you knew what you know i'm sure i wouldn't have i wouldn't ever do security for the state department again it just wasn't worth it it wasn't worth the damage or the horror of the company if we were going to do it i would have insisted like we did for any angio work that we did is that we have cameras because the camera serves as a third party neutral observer because it's very easy to second guess something that happens you know days ago or weeks or months ago but it's very different and you have to make a speech that i don't see you're saying cameras that the implication being that you don't accept you did anything wrong that i had there been cameras your men would be
vindicated if that was not what you're saying to be explicit about look because i've been found guilty in american courts and in the courts you don't like but they've been found guilty in american courts after the fourth time of trying ok they've been found guilty in american court and we had numerous other incidents where there was a shooting and we were accused and when it was all square and we believe young men did anything wrong and when law enforcement authorities viewed the tapes. there was no preview believe in this square human did anything wrong so very simple question in hindsight sure if it's an innocent civilian every innocent civilian that's killed is a tragedy is a horror and we try very hard to avoid that that's why forty when forty one men died doing that mission shielding other people from enemy bullets who are trying to kill them and slaughter them or hang them to burn they're going to some more questions lady with a hand up do it for my friend to come to you yes i was a u.s. television journalist in iraq during and after the invasion i saw blackwater people
humiliate and terrorize iraqis they were hostile to journalists and they were hostile to n.g.o.s why should you get a contract to do the same thing in afghanistan thank you thank you. how did you know that they were black or personnel they very very clearly walking around not just driving cars walking around they were blackwater as journalists we knew who blackwater was let us know they were not soldiers they were blackwater if there were there are literally i'm sorry there was hundreds and hundreds of companies employing u.s. nato and other country veterans difference between the between blackwater and nato i'm sorry by saying i don't think you're that sharp that you can tell the difference between a polish guy a french guy or you name your that sharp to tell the difference well
thank you thank you very much i did time to do that thank you very very retract if you're going to agree before this because i would carry on with your i carry on with your audience will go to the debate with a tie in the suit. so i've got to be in war since i was in one fighting twenty international terrorist groups since two thousand and fourteen the afghan national security forces have been doing this by themselves so how do you justify that you'll get a contract and go and do the war in afghanistan given that you're making money out of this business and you don't ever want to conclude this business there and one point please do us a favor and have a bold line between the mercenaries of the democracy is totally up to the people of afghanistan to decide who is their next president thank you are you ready for. you after yourself and you believe the afghans don't want nothing like that's definitely not going to do with the first question about that that you have a self-interest in perpetuating the conflict as you get paid here's the thing the
of the sixty two billion dollars right now the u.s. spends five billion dollars supporting the afghan security forces fifty seven billion is the cost of u.s. presence there that's going away ok the support for the afghan security forces the airlift the medivac which is wholly inadequate right now because afghan soldiers are dying at a rate of thirty and forty per day if there is not a skill to support supply provided to them how many cars i'm sorry ashraf ghani himself said the afghan forces will collapse in less than six months i say it's more like six weeks ok so there has to be some kind of capability to keep the afghan security forces operate and able to function so that afghanistan can actually have a free election and they should be totally free to choose their next leader i agree let me ask you this despite all the things you and black would have been accused of some of which we've discussed tonight but this much more you said in two thousand and seven quote i sleep the sleep of the just i'm not feeling guilty just wondering is that still the case today you still have no regrets no guilt no ruined sleep at
all over all those innocent lives taken by blackwater employees. look the fact is the company did what it was asked to it was asked to protect protect we saved thousands and thousands of people we saved many many wounded u.s. soldiers well beyond the scope of the contract. we did what we were asked any any injury any civilian that's in it in a car crash or actually helping your nine year old children shot in the correct and still since long after blackwater was involved one hundred ten thousand iraqi civilians have been killed in that same conflict by isis so buying companies over there when i have george bush on the show lost about his sleep i'm asking about the people your guys killed does it keep you awake at night we were asked to do a job and we performed very very well we'll have to leave it there thanks to our audience here in the oxford union thanks to our panel of experts who have come tonight and thanks to erik prince for joining me on head to head that's our show head to head will be back next week.
the government you support are believed to have detained maybe a million people in reeducation camps certainly not grabbing headlines in china on the in the wild kings of the people's republic just probably not best just to dismiss everything as propaganda propaganda because you are abrasive aggressive way of addressing it maybe have some challenges chinese finance yet child you wrote something critical of president chiluba i said this would not be regarded well by the western press pop up. on al-jazeera. out of the latest winter storm system is just leaving iraq and producing rain and of course snow for afghanistan and some parts of pakistan is not quite as vicious as the last one is worse well i would say from the point of view of dropping snow and west of that generally quiet weather as you can see but a cloud around parts of northern iran but back in the violent femmes in the winds
not last long term to slowly rising that bit of a sudden he gives you twenty in beirut but the carriage coming in might suggest something rather wet is coming your way but not to be on tuesday at least not changing weather type also means the sheer miles wind blowing for a day or so down the gulf is going to lighten if not disappear warmed up in their hot twenty five little bit warmer in riyadh to oversee was hotter than the western side of saudi arabia thirty six in mecca an increasing likelihood of clouds showing to to form along a mile coming inland rather reaching salalah so a bit of humility but i think you'll stay dry where we have very active weather recently is malawi mozambique and now just off the coast of madagascar this tropical cyclone it's strengthening will be out of the water for the next two days but eventually it will make landfall again in southern mozambique.
this is a boon for point people right now and technology there is so much going to help people it's phenomenal thanks for calling i'd rather sit there and what are you looking like today we get to the blind with their day to day tasks and give them more independence and freedom yeah this was like a tomato soup that sure is a tomato exploration process was amazing and i'm glad that you know we have that technology available to us tag know. ethiopia and china ground their fates of boeing seven three seven max after an ethiopian airlines crash kills one hundred fifty seven people.
live from doha also coming up a reprieve for one of the women on trial accused of killing the home brother of north korea's leader. us back in syria resuming operation last stronghold in the country. and back on track a friendship train almost de rails because of recent tensions been enjoying pakistan is on the move again. and china have grounded the entire boeing seven three seven max fleets a day off to an ethiopian airlines crash which killed all one hundred fifty seven people on board the jet went down just minutes after taking off from on its way to nairobi well out more on beijing's decision in just a moment but first let's go to catherine soy here who's in the kenyan capital and
kathy we've been hearing from ethiopian airlines that this morning well they've been saying. yes they did issue a statement saying that they have grounded the remaining five buoying five three seven max eight jets they arrived at the same time more or less with this ill fated one and they're saying the statement also read that even if investigations are not concluded yet the cause of the crash is not yet out this is a safety precaution an extra safety precaution until investigations are done and concluded we've also had this morning form the kenyan cabinet secretary james marsh area who held a briefing at the airport in nairobi and he did say that investigations are going on he said that they have spoken to twenty five officials government officials have spoken to twenty five all of the thirty two kenyans who died and
a lot of questions were being raised by this relatives there are asking when are they going to get the bodies of their loved ones that they can bury and they were being explained to that this is a very delicate process some of the bodies were badly charred so there has to be a very delicate identification process before the bodies are brought home we were at the airport all day yesterday we saw relatives who are quite distraught many of them are still trying really to in tantalize and understand what exactly happened nothing much is left but fragments of three zero two at the crash scene near a few pieces eastern town of the shaft to the plane went down just six minutes after takeoff from the international airport in the capital addis ababa prime minister was at the scene alia his office was a fast to tweet about the crash expressing condolences to those who had lost their loved ones one hundred fifty seven people were on boat non-survivors among the most
of the experience. we each had a boat that had to posit just on board out of the one forty nine passengers. it's an emotional time for friends and family as they waited for any news at the main airports in nairobi and. we were comfortable doesn't really do we see people coming out there was. a lot of us going to come out. of fuel meaning to. we saw some nice ones musical to take us for. the gold rush of the jet had been to leave a just four months ago and had undergone a major service in february it also had just arrived from johannesburg with no difficulties it appears a pilot on the nairobi route realized there was a problem just after takeoff and asked to turn back but then contact was lost
a few minutes later. on that route but mohamed no mohamed is an ethiopian airlines staff member has had more than two hundred flight hours after receiving the aircraft we did the first maintenance check on for every fourth two thousand and nineteen it was a new and clean aircraft. it is a fourth version of the world's best selling ally the boeing seven three seven has flown millions of passengers wild wide since the one nine hundred sixty s. has been redesigned to make it more fuel efficient thousands have been ordered by airlines worldwide if you have flown or should go and i guarantee you probably load on a seven three seven it's a popular choice of the airlines it's a very safe but of course there are now questions and this will send jitters across the industry. and identical lion air jet plunged into the sea off the coast of indonesia last october shortly after taking off from jakarta killing all a hundred eighty nine people on board boeing is being sued by some of the
passengers relatives who died and pilots have accused american manufacturer of failing to warn them how to operate a new automated stalls prevention system. some of the some of the delegates some of the passengers of that flight were delegates who were coming to the united nations and vironment assembly that was starting today at the united nations headquarters here in the capital city nairobi we also know that there were nineteen humanitarian workers from different u.n. agencies as well we've been seeing condolence being sent to relatives of this humanitarian workers of delegates who were there so it's really going to be a very solemn start a very sad starts to this united nations environment conference that is going to go wander through the week. catherine so bring us the latest from nairobi thanks very
much catherine well with more on china's order to ground the boeing seven three seven max a jets his age and brown from beijing. well china has now become the first country to ground the boeing seven three seven max that decision was taken by the chinese civil aviation administration this is the body that controls regulates the aircraft industry here in china and of course most airlines in china are controlled by the state so it makes it that much easier for the chinese government to do what it's doing now now there are some sixty seven three seven max aircraft in operation here in china or have been delivered another one hundred have been awarded a total of nine airlines here in china use the seven three seven max some of the world's biggest airlines like air china and china southern now there were a chinese nationals on the doomed ethiopian airlines seven three seven max which crashed on sunday and what china is saying is that it feels there are similarities
between this accident and one that happened six months ago involving another boeing seven three seven max operated by lion air in indonesia so what china is saying is that this ban this grounding will remain in force from nine am local time in beijing until six pm local time in beijing so for nine hours what happens after that is still not clear but the administration here has issued an additional statement saying that operations will resume after confirming the relevant measures to effectively ensure safety so it's possible that this temporary grounding may well be extended as tense nominees now and one of the women on trial accused of killing the half brother of north korea's leader kim jong un has been freed malaysian prosecutors withdrew the matter charge against innocent suspects city. she'd been charged along with vietnamese national don't teach young smearing
a toxic nerve agent on kim jong un's faith kuala lumpur airport in two thousand and seventeen first lose in the at the courts in the city of charlotte. monday was supposed to have been the start of the defense hearing for the vietnamese suspect but instead proceedings are opened with the prosecutor telling the court that he wanted to drop the charge against city that is the indonesian suspect accused of murdering kim jong nam the judge agreed and granted city discharge not amounting to an acquittal the reporters watching the proceedings had a slight suspicion that something unusual happened because when city appeared in court in the dock today she was smiling a huge contrast to her past court appearances now say they are happy with the decision she's been granted a discharge not amounting to an acquittal but it still means she was able to leave the courthouse a free woman. on the other hand is still on trial for murder she read out
a statement in court she's going to be taking to the witness stand but her lawyers have asked for the case to be adjourned it is going to be a gentle thursday in the meantime they want to petition the attorney general to offer charge to the murder charge against don to be dropped now prosecutors have not given a reason as to why they are withdrawing the charge against city but the two women have maintained all along that they are innocent that they had no idea that what they were doing would kill in fact they thought they were taking part in a reality t.v. show and south korean and u.s. intelligence officials have said they suspect north korea's involvement in the murder of kim jong un. algeria's president has returned home after a two week absence i'm glad he's both a figure has been in switzerland receiving medical treatment said television reported that his plane landed as a military base south of the capital on sunday. a country rocked by protests
against his decision to run for a fifth son of a has more after a two week stay at a swiss hospital abilities beautifully coas apparently back in algeria according to a statement from his office pictures an algerian t.v. showing what is reportedly the president's motorcade driving from the airport this is perhaps the most challenging episode in beautifully twenty year rule a seismic moment in the country's recent history with little sign of diminishing if algeria's authorities thought that closing the universities early would stop the protests it would appear to have been a miscalculation we are protesting against a fifth president a president who typically enough is enough in a country desperate for jobs anger at the unemployment rates and corruption has been growing especially since protests began three weeks ago students are debating . throughout universities to talk about the solution and to talk about they are the
. students are aware and fortunately aware of the situation and they are taking the rights the rights and measures juju to avoid the weakening of the moment but it's not just the students who are voicing their anger a partial strike across the country is also under way at expected to last for five days at the center of it all this man president abdelaziz bouteflika who has rarely been seen in public since suffering a stroke in two thousand and thirteen but his decision to stand for a fifth time an upcoming elections has galvanized opposition in the country and while he's offered to limit his time in office after the election promised change how algeria is run it's not campian rest it's also prompt questions of whether bouteflika is being used as a puppet candidate by a faction of civilian and military.