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tv   Inside Story 2019 Ep 74  Al Jazeera  March 15, 2019 8:32pm-9:01pm +03

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ssion how important has russia been not just militarily but where you are the united nations using its blocking powers russia has under. a very significant diplomatic victory over syria at the u.n. and it's used its veto power and it's used its military forces really a to humiliate and contain the west and members of the security council in repeated debates over syria but russia still has a problem it has broken syria and now it has to work out how to pay for the reconstruction and it's pretty clear that moscow would like to find some sort of formula through the u.n. to fund the rebuilding of syria because it just cannot do that on its own you know you are in istanbul all and we've talked about where we think things lie over all a sad seems to control about seventy percent of the territory but the sad thing is
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that there look like there probably are some battles to come so let's examine the military situation across the country and if i can start by asking you how worried you are about the situation in it liberate now. well it's true isn't it liberal has its political touch more than its military touch although it is the stating for the people and for the for the region in general but it has it is being there for pulling certain political strings exercising some sort of pressure and iran is behind all that we believe because it feels that it is being neutralized it is exercising pressure on bashar assad and this waging or this recent war on live in the north would go nowhere for them at the political level and jirga figure we understand that the northeast is under the control or as the and the americans and . as such the. assad regime and its supporters can claim no
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victory can claim no capability of finding a real solution for this to ation in general as far for instance as the refuse are concerned or that it constructions. because the action issue is concerned they can . go nowhere either because they were conditioned by the start of a political process out of which they are trying to weasel out all the time for of the past six years we believe you know i was i was in geneva when you were at some of those talks and i saw your delegation turning up and i saw the syrian ambassador to the u.n. turning up but not really gauging on a number of different occasions why else staying in. the population of that province was seven hundred fifty thousand it was made a deescalation zone it's become the last place for many people who've fled from
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other parts of syria how worried are you that it could be a bloodbath right at the end of this war. if if the past is any indicator i'm very worried it is a classic regime and russian strategy to try to isolate certain restless areas of the country as they did with the countryside of homs when the russians first. got involved in twenty fifteen then they moved down to hammer they moved to aleppo then to delta and then back all the way up now to. this is this is the age old strategy now since the conflict began to pick and choose certain communities in areas to convince the international community that there is some sort of the escalation or a ceasefire or whatever you want to call it or cessation of hostilities allow them to focus their limited ground forces whether it is the regime in the militias in the i.r.g.c.
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forces with russian air support to cordon quote cleanse those areas of their inhabitants and any displaced people there and certainly any fighters and that's how they have regained most of the last areas that formally was under opposition control so i'm very worried about the obvious. violence that's being inflicted upon the population and the potential massive displacement that we probably have not seen since the fall of aleppo in twenty sixteen richard the other not the other more than one but one of the other areas to watch of potential conflict is between the the turks the kurds how much of a worry of that aspect is there very un headquarters. i think there is a huge amount of concern about both these potential risks at the u.n. but very frankly there is not much the united nations can do about these issues at
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the moment we saw that over aleppo and then later over eastern ghouta the security council cannot come to any serious agreements on how to limit this sort of violence and i think there's a general sense of fatalism and exhaustion frankly throughout the u.n. system about syria now the institution is shifting attention to other crises like venezuela and there is an excellent u.n. envoy dealing with the issue get pederson of norway but it's just not really clear what is left for the u.n. to do you know you're in there stumble we talk about the trumpet ministration president trump is deeply uninterested in syria said he was going to pull everyone out now as been reluctantly persuaded to keep four hundred special forces troops in syria brings us to the other part of syria which is still potentially contested and that's the area that was under saul's control what's going to happen there. well after those tweets by from one after the other we believe the final one is for
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them to stay here this is we believe that. they are staying because they felt that this is a going to be a very horrible strategic mistake on the part of the states because the vacuum that they made leave that would be filled by iran the regime and russia and they would create a real problem also for the. allied turks. allies and it just makes everything and this is the one one area which has eighty percent of syria's resources terms of water in terms of oil in terms of cotton population and such are and. we believe that with their presence they cleared this balance with iran with the
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russians and although it is some sort of a capacious but it is the advantage of syrians because there are so many key patients in syria then we hope that they would all go leave the country and for its people although they are helpless now but that has to be some sort of international will that everybody leaves and leaves things for syrians to go back home safe and start their life you talk about international well where is the international plan while we heard we heard richard cowen just talk about gap pederson who i know you know i know very honorable veteran diplomat but what is he going to do now i mean he seems to have slightly moderated away from stefan de mistura his predecessor who it seems to me was taken down a little bit of a blind alley by the russians to some constitutional committee he seems to return to this idea of resolution twenty two fifty four which was bringing everyone together in geneva is that going to work now was it far too late. it would work
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only if there is an international will to enforce certain things was part of the geneva two and slightly the geneva three effort particularly in and getting the opposition to geneva which has done a marvelous job in terms of rethinking their posture in embracing negotiations they used to oppose sitting down with anybody associated with bashar al assad and you know any u.n. mediator their respective of how good they are they're going any the body that they represent and the member states of the body that they represent to have the will to act and that's going to simply require the nation states mainly led by the europeans in that states and some arab countries to establish some clearly defined limits of what is acceptable what is not acceptable in syria for example is lip this is an area that's supposedly a deescalation zone it's been agreed to by early on and putin in sochi the united
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states has sent clear signals to the russians through the new envoy relatively new envoy jim jeffrey that the regime and the russians should not and cannot be attacking it live so if the russians and the regime are reneging on their on their promise then these countries i mentioned should unequivocally promised that there would be military retaliation against regime forces at a place and time of their choosing anywhere in the country in order to establish deterrence and ensure that that area and that population is protected and that in turn will strengthen the hands of any mediator including the current one to convince the belligerent to a at least a more permanent cease fire even if a political solution is not at hand richard gowan the other bit of potential leverage the international community have is money for reconstruction we see this conference going on as we speak in brussels but even there there seems to be
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a disagreement now between some of those international powers among the arab league along among the e.u. of how much to engage with the assad government now. the russians have been suggesting for some time that the europeans in particular might like to. offer money for the reconstruction process but to date the e.u. has insisted that that money would have to come with very clear political conditions and that it's not willing to fund assad's reconstruction willy nilly i think there are tensions within the e.u. over what those conditions should be some countries like germany i think a harder line than others such as italy on the question of conditions and then we have the possibility that the arab league will step in with money possibly without the same sort of human rights and political conditions so i think this this debate over money is going to be a central issue in discussions over syria at least for this year yeah
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ken i asked you do you think your country is going to stay together as one or are we going to have what we have now rump governed by a sad and different bits run by different entities. well wishing is something going to reality is another. country or her country. is one however the stewardess on the ground. dictates state or fragmentation. despite syrians. at the same time there is another psychological dimension developing in the hearts and minds of syrian people some people for a country to be together. so the community has to liberate another community in the same country but with their wounds so deep in syria i'm afraid that not.
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just to keep the country together but what we hope that there could be some sort of healing and soon so that we can keep the country together ok well yeah there are some parts own i've heard over the last eight years the same mantra from so many international officials including your former boss samantha power and she was u.n. ambassador which is we have to keep the territorial integrity of syria and there is no military solution both of those have been proven wrong haven't they while we don't know how the story will end but certainly the regime the iranians and the russians are pursuing a military victory so the intentions of the united states and its allies has always been to find an amicable political solution but that's certainly not in the cards given who are dealing with it who we've had to deal with at the
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end of the date sovereignty means nothing. and keeping syria together means zero if the quarter quote sovereign government is in the business of committing genocide and ethnic cleansing as its own people so in that sense i may depart with the with the previous administration i could care less about whether serious things together now it's important that people cease to be killed by their own government yeah you know very quickly at the end of our discussion very quick comment from you do you think you'll be able to go back to damascus any time in the next decade do you have hope i do i do i'm sure it's but soon ok well thank you very much to all of our guests to ya. y.l. art and to richard cowan a fascinating if very depressing conversation if you want to watch it again then catch it at our website the places out there or dot com we also welcome your views
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. without their live from doha also coming out. israeli air strikes target gaza as rockets are fired at television for the first time in five years. still not satisfied their ailing president though longer running for another term but jerry and keep up their demands to change. at least forty nine people have been killed and another forty are in hospital in new zealand after two mosques were targeted during friday prayers in christ church the prime minister just in the ogden has called the incident a terrorist attack is the worst mass shooting the country has ever seen police say one man in his late twenty's is being charged with murder. the first attack took
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place in the owl nor mosque in central christchurch that was followed by a second shooting at the lim wood mosque a short distance away. the police of diffused a number of improvised explosive devices found on vehicles after the shootings one man has been charged with murder in christchurch police are questioning three others victoria gazin b. has more. this was the scene shortly after a gunman opened fire at a mosque in christ church the worshippers some injured themselves are surrounded by the bodies of family members and friends. as the wounded were rushed to hospital police were arresting one of the suspects in a busy suburban area in another part of the city they say they say for disabled one of two bombs found in the car that he was driving. early the city's main al new mosque was targeted during friday prayers by
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a white man wearing military style uniform and a camera mounted on his helmet here but. what i would not talk we here looking or not that we started it is started shooting and the people of the. undershirt in under me. that's a good insight and you go one by one if you kill some people but the gunman live streamed his attack on facebook as he indiscriminately opened fire on more than two hundred worshippers i was hearing there to a shooting after a shooting of the shooting it went on. six minute or more in. could hear screaming in the crying and. some people you know dropped dead shortly after that shooting there was a similar attack on worshippers at lynnwood mosque about ten minutes away police
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have arrested a number of suspect think looting and australian born men new zealand's prime minister said they weren't on any security watch list and said new zealand had been the target of what she described as a terrorist attack because it was a diverse nation that welcomed migrants we new zealand. we were not a tag it because we are a safe harbor for those who fight. we were not true isn't for the sake of violence because we can darn rices them because we're an on clay for extremism. we were chosen for the very fact that we are none of these things australia's prime minister is also a pulled and shocked we stand here and condemn absolutely the attack that occurred today by an extremist right wing violent terrorist. that is typed in the logs stolen the logs in
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a vicious murder suspect that is. climbed so many new zealand's police haven't ruled out the possibility of more suspects being at launch and a warning muslims to stay away from mosques nation wind we have staff around the country ensuring. that every one has keep safe and that includes. the fairness and special tactics groups right across the country being very vigilant and having a presence around all of their mosques to ensure nothing to kids the national threat level has been raised from low to high as police politicians and the public come to terms with the worst and most shocking attack they've ever experienced victoria gate and be al jazeera right we've been told to our correspondent now kate king she's there in christ church and you've arrived in this small city kate after it's just experienced the worst mass shooting in the
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country's history i mean how does it feel. well it's around one am local time here and christchurch and so it is very quiet here at the moment there's very few people on the streets of christchurch remind people that you do see a heavily armed police officers and that the cordon here. as a new which is the street on which our mosque sits at that is the mosque that faulty at least thirty people were killed at earlier today police saying that fourteen people have think killed in the two attacks at the mosque here in christchurch i spoke to two people who came to the court in a short while ago i was ready to enter mid to make that our local christchurch residents they told me they couldn't sleep and so i brought flowers to the saying here today at a tree trunk to the mosque they see it that they feel on site at the moment but
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they are pleased that there are police he colleagues present on the streets they say they didn't expect that this would happen in christchurch and that contemporary and she had had had a lot to deal with the past few years and this just compare that for people there is fear they say amongst their friends one of them told me that they had they knew a person who had fled from the mosque this afternoon so it does seem like even one may have been affected in some way where there are not they knew someone at one of the mosques or indeed they were and part of the lockdown that took place here in christchurch earlier the fastener told schools and the area where the lockdown for several hours as well as a lot of businesses in the area the cordon where i met at the moment there are houses within that cordon colleagues here tell me that they haven't been evacuated that residents are allowed in those houses or is it not of course they are saying
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examinations taking place at the mosque just down the road from where i am which is over. which is a stark contrast to the dark streets of christchurch right now and tell us a little bit about christchurch because it kills many of us do you recall the devastating earthquake of what eight years ago which demolished so much of the city but otherwise i mean it's known as a pretty conservative uncle a visit in the country is south island. yes christchurch. east coast of new zealand's south island it has a population of around about three hundred thousand people and it is the south island people and new zealand alone has really heidi quite tough people the temperatures of the tag island are a bit. of a bit colder than that of the rest of the country but people here as you say has endured a lot of the past few years really is the christchurch is quite back and took
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dozens of their lives in a six point eight magnitude earthquake it absolutely chef but this is just a it's sort of hot in times suburbs disinvited and the city itself hasn't quite recovered from that yet there's still a lot of infrastructure that meeting today very built on the city's to enter itself is quite deserted a lot of the buildings were knocked down and people further out from christchurch but the one thing about new zealand is there's a whole and contemporary and very much a catch like that is that they there's still things themselves as very down to earth very inclusive people that will unite when it comes to a situation like this the prime minister of course saying earlier today that this is totally unacceptable and new zealand them in fact the attackers chose this country because of that because of the fact that we don't endorse rices and that we don't do any of this religious phobia here and new zealand and
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so i would say that the people of christchurch was i've been through a terrible loss at the hands of mother nature in the last few years including thousands of ah the shocks this force has as heck it will be and massive shock to the system people would never expect this to happen in new zealand this alarmed at the level that it has go to nine people killed and at least twenty is in a serious condition in hospital including children and adults or have suffered gunshot was king thank you. now to other news and weekly protests along the girls in israel fence have been perspective hours after israeli airstrikes hit the besieged strip the israeli military says around one hundred hamas targets was struck early on friday and that was apparently in response to a rocket attack on the israeli city of tel aviv the exchange of fire is raising
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fares of an escalation in the conflict. what happens is the new israeli aggression against gaza out a tweet a series of its crimes including the main one of the continuation of the siege of the gaza strip our people will continue their struggle to break the siege despite this aggression the resistance is ready to defend its people and is committed to calm as long as the occupation is. right there's a lot of to hurry for cities that the israel gaza border fence area which normally this time of the day on friday would be the scene of great protests being carried out by the palestinians but today not. that's right the palestinians the hamas which rules the gaza strip has in quite a surprise move decided to call off the friday protest which has taken place every single friday since they began this great march of return the movement back in march last year that coming up for the first anniversary and so this shows two
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things it's a pretty big concession by hamas to totally cancel that event which it has invested a lot of capital in in recent months and it shows i think that on the hamas side there is a will to deescalate this situation it denied carrying out the rocket attack on television it said it was going to find the perpetrators israel nonetheless blamed hamas for carrying out the rocket attacks so it's a signal from the from the hamas side of the equation that they're looking for a way out of a further escalation and i think there has been a similar signal coming from israeli military which is told the israeli media today that it believes that this might have been a mistaken mortgage in some way whether that means some kind of technical malfunction or whether it means a lower level group within hamas firing off without the orders were up a sanction.

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