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tv   Inside Story 2019 Ep 77  Al Jazeera  March 18, 2019 8:32pm-9:01pm +03

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you guy from the from the fact that this person had obviously decided at some point with his height through the most i'm sad he wanted to kill as many as possible it's highly possible that he chose new zealand as the place to do it because of their relatively lax gun laws god knows much tighter in the strike one of things that has frustrated islamist terrorists in a stride your previously has been the inability to access semiautomatic weapons so it's quite possible that this person traveled to new zealand and i the with a specific purpose or over a period of time decided that you zealand was an ac a target then a straw. on the broader issue of migration and attitude to muslims. what senator fries and he has said is deplorable hopefully tomorrow there's going to be a. bipartisan sense censure of him by both the government
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and the lives of piety we also have to remember that yes he was elected representative but he achieved nineteen that's one nine votes in queens and. a range of curiosities with our electoral system and the fact that some of the people ahead of him on the ballot had to leave because of citizenship cleary's he ended up in polman absolutely he's an elected representative but this is a really a reflection of him as an individual about what he's been saying and the fact that he got nineteen votes probably tells you all you need to know about how much popular support he has he's just a person with a platform particularly offensive view is and i think the government and the opposition to doing exactly the right thing and marginalizing him and his views. on the whole issue about migration as you said sorry i'll let you go on yes i will come back to that in a moment i want to get matthew goodwin's view on this do you think politicians have
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fueled a lot of this as well and as others have said given legitimacy to to many white nationalists. well i certainly think it's part of the explanation if you look at democracy since the one nine hundred eighty s. we've really seen a rise in populist movements a more exclusionary language that's become especially prominent since the two thousands but as i said earlier on you know and to reiterate some of the statements made by the previous speaker when you're dealing with individuals it's often very difficult to identify what was that cools all mechanism to push them into perpetrating violence so if you look for example of a lot of the research we have in europe particularly germany where the german authorities have looked to perpetrate this very closely you know they often say that they tend to be yon the middle aged men they tend to have lower levels of
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education they often have a background of alcohol old old drug abuse old petty criminality but often you know those generalisations you know that they don't always hold up. sometimes you find individuals who have be flooding with right wing extremist movements but not necessarily being active members in those groups for example the over the labor politician here in the u.k. joe koch who would be sort of floating around the fringes of newsman's but not necessarily being highly active in the meanwhile you can look at somebody's life and as brave it was fully and in the online albeit all the right wing extremist forums the one thing about that i would add before we continue the conversation however is over the last forty eight hours i've noticed a lot of the debate about this issue has been about big tech and social media we must remember that we had perpetrators of mass violence before we had big tech
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and social media people like timothy mcveigh for example who we conveniently forget or david coughlan the obama here in london who talkative it is sexual communities who we conveniently forget yes big tech has a massive road supply but we have to remember that actually these individuals can sometimes flip through the net irrespective of what's happening in the online obit . such as name if i could turn back to you on this one how much of a role has the internet played on all of this i mean there was one former white supremacist it was in an interview said that it was it was like a twenty four hour hate buffet in that there's there's always access there. to to to this kind of rhetoric whereas before in an age before the internet you actually had to you had to actually meet with the person they were and so on now it's much more readily available how much is as as the internet and social media fueled this
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kind of sense of look i think to the late christian i think the question of go home and circle grappling with now and certainly in the wake of museums it's pretty much all consuming issue so yes i mean it's the social media is based it's you know it is responsible for propagating streets and certainly for family the flames of division and hateful rhetoric through experiences of live stream video for example but then by the same token it's also the cause of enormous you know positivity for example today i believe in briston in the north in positive straightly there was a vigil held outside a mosque. to to embrace what happened or to other to to mourn the loss of the last easy art and still many people want to attend but couldn't so they they live streaming the service. which is kind of ironic in india what has happened
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yet it was considered to be a viable way of dissemination situation because it was a it was understood to be a very positive thing to do so i think it can be weaponized to good or bad and that that is the nature of human beings they're going to they're there to do things either way how do you police that there is a far more critical question and i think that's something that facebook is grappling with and rightly so. rodger shanahan how do you combat this sort of day i mean there are so many websites and so many areas on the internet on the dark web and so on which you talked about earlier where we're people people can go. and the authorities only have a fixed number of people to. to do to to monitor people i mean they can they can monitor everyone can they will work what needs to be done. listen it's a massive challenge for law enforcement and security agencies and as you pointed out it's a bit like whack a mole as soon as you shut down one service another one will pop up. by
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surprise he says. it's might be called comfort i suppose that. while it's a witness it's also i potential source of exploitation by security and law enforcement agencies because the more that people are on this they saw it's in that communicate with each other. the more you're able to get a sense of what kind of networks that these people are working in that requires you to have some kind of understanding of some of the players within the network so it's not necessarily all a bad thing. but when we're talking about influences before and we need to understand who these persons influences were it is possible to make it more difficult for people to access these kind of people who spin this tradition and rhetoric online or upload their speeches or and the document p.d.f.
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documents. but that's really all that you can do you can make it harder but you can't stop them because. the y. that some of these people technically savvy that always find a fix and a wire around it but as i said before while there are advantages to law enforcement agencies with these things and the smadi you are as a terrorist or a an extremist or a radical. the more dangerous because you understand what security precautions you need to take to stay under the ride and from all that we know about this person at the moment he was clever enough that he wasn't on anybody's ride or he was a solid travel. the country for a number of years the security agencies never had him on the ride out which is quite understandable matthew goodman should this be a wake up call then to not just the security services but to to to politicians that
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they need to be. because the criticism has been that. these white nationalist groups have been been kind of ignored for too long or just kind of dismissed as as as a side show really as not a not a major threat it would this is this a kind of watershed moment well it's difficult to know and that's one of the sad things about where we are that we've had a number of mass attacks as you mentioned at the beginning of the program and yet we still find ourselves facing this question of is this thing's going to finally change i think if you go back to twenty eleven twenty twelve and you look at the reaction to the attacks by the right wing extremist and as for a victim there was a i think a good example of of a democracy in that case norway responding quite positively to that attack it invested heavily in research it set up a new scent or it boasted security powers that allowed i think the debate to
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move all to looking at actually. what causes these attacks and to invest quite heavily in that but i think in other democracies you haven't really save that kind of investment in the off the mouth of an attack and i think that's one of the issues that we have to think about now which is not only does how does new zealand evolve from day soon i think the first debate will be how does new zealand changes gun laws and i think that's a sort of something that's a bit of a no brainer if you like for new zealand i suspect they'll do that quite quickly but it's actually how do democracies better tools themselves better equip themselves to do with some of these issues i could say when i was on the u.k. government group on anti muslim hatred one of my frustrations indeed the reason that i resigned from that group was that at that particular time the u.k. government wasn't serious about investing in this issue its sole attempts to tackle islamophobia more as being token estate because being symbolic but not necessarily
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putting the resources behind those initiatives in a way that would actually make them have an impact and i found that incredibly frustrating. how much you think is this down to fear of immigration you know what's been called a kind of demographic and fear fear of the other and so on. i think it's been absolutely essential and i think you know it's interesting when we've had this conversation regarding no terrorist suspects the return of us three groups you know the government the west is very very strident that was alarming becky we would have happened if we can't have a strain in present conversation because there is this there was for option to deport joe citizens we don't deal with that we don't want to make that our problem in this particular instance the terrorist is a stray there is no way to deport him this is a product of what i mentioned earlier a long systemic culture that his neighborhood this kind of thing to happen. rather
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than question where was he ready clydesdale and look to attack and deal with that issue we have let me do he crickets we do he predicts there is nothing based in response in fact you know in a believe in the us. in the with the race to be a stray she actually took running away from investigating right we suppressed terrorism because still considered to be a viable area of research and already you know resources have been allocated to islam it's terms of industry i don't even know what the situation is except we do know the intelligence tell us but i think it's in us and strayer that rightly terrorism is the largest growing foreign to mr terrorists in the country but we're not it's not it's not a sexy election still nobody wants to strengthen our borders against what supremacist because it's a very uncomfortable thing to what is shanahan i'm going to give what's going to be a last word to you how much of a role has immigration played in all of this particular case of australia.
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well and in this particular in this particular instance from what we know from the background of the person and the manifesto and perhaps the the sites that we know that he's been active on he certainly any immigration he certainly anti muslim he's a bigoted radical terrorist. now how do you. prioritize that in the list of priorities and resources that security agencies have it's a it's a very difficult question and there's been nearly one hundred since twenty fifteen been nearly twenty four day nearly one hundred people charged in terrorism offenses in the stride. and. right wing extremists account for one or two of those the rest are radical islamists so when you have a government that has
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a finite number of resources they have to prioritize the threats that they that they perceive then unfortunately this person wasn't on the right are to really difficult juggling act so security agencies. good to have your with us we're going to have to leave it there. rodger shanahan and matthew goodman thanks very much for being with us and thank you for watching as always you can see this program again any time by going to our website designer dot com and for the discussion days of facebook page facebook dot com forward slash a.j. in size two you can also join us on twitter our handle there is at a.j. inside story from me has a secret and the whole team your bison. fly
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cats are airways and experience economy class like never before qatar airways going places together. i mean this was different not that whether someone was going for someone of a red but that's going to be an interim i think it's how you approach an individual and if it is a certain way of doing it it's a conscious injection story and fly out. i don't know how the top stories here on al-jazeera and the dutch government has a raise the terrorism threat level to the highest possible in utrecht province following a shooting on the tram late as reports say one person has been killed and several injured in utrecht city police say the suspects is on the run and roadblocks have been set up local media reports in the schools
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a lockdown and security is being tightened to the airport we have an update as soon as there are more details you see in his prime minister says gun laws will be changed in the wake of friday's shooting at two mosques that killed fifty people the government will consider banning the private ownership of semiautomatic rifles and buying back out an old guns or new zealand's top police officer says the threat level across the country remains high and the investigation continues into how the tragedy was not prevented this criminal investigation is the largest one ever undertaken by the new zealand police and toombs of the number of investigators that we have conducting this investigation alongside a number of specialist we have two hundred fifty detectives and specialists
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right across the country conducting this investigation and in fact it is an international investigation with jurisdictions right around the world assisting us with those inquiries cycling that swept across southern africa has killed more than one hundred thirty people in mozambique ninety percent of the city better has been destroyed high winds interventional rain swept away homes and bridges damaged power lines cycling travel from allowing cross mozambican into zimbabwe. well several hundred kilometers from barrow has been following the situation sent from mozambique and here is this report. the site of the brutal people's houses in many cases blew the walls down as well that's what happened to the people here who are now sheltering in this school this is been their home for the last few nights been so much rain they have been able to go back to their village to check the damage
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officials don't even know how many people have been affected yet because the communications are down as well they're starting to piece the picture together now but in this district alone the administrator says least five hundred homes have been destroyed if you do this we. can see. we. can. see the troops we. can. get into the. schools. into. even this. has been damaged some of you know you were. in what's left of. your. going to be quite some time classes because even here this whole town she cuts off so you connect to the roads
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one of the region if you're going to be you watch the wedding on the swollen rivers submerge the road it's going to be quite some time people here and you see. a jewish rabbi has died of his injuries following sunday's shooting and stabbing attacks in the occupied west bank and israeli soldier was killed in one of the attacks at the ariel settlement and the israeli army has made arrests in the village where the palestinian suspect lives he fled the scene after a soldier was stabbed and his stolen gun used to fire people outside the illegal jewish settlement the number of indonesians killed in flash floods and landslides in papua province has risen to at least seventy nine doctors have set up tents to treat the wounded rescuers are looking for survivors trapped by mud and by foreign trees a baby found on the rubble was reunited with his father all right we're up to date
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with the headlines turn out to the news continues right after an unholy. no and. morning prayers but one of the most influential monasteries in full is me and. this is a country where the majority are devoted buddhists. for centuries the religion has been at the heart of the nation's very identity. one of the pillars of buddhist teachings are loved compassion and peace is
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a very different variation to the philosophy being told at the mob out tom on the street in insane township. these monks are connected with one of the world's worst humanitarian crisis. the systematic persecution and genocide the overhang of muslims in iraq and states. our unprecedented access to them about how monastery and city there's office a glimpse into how their ultra nationalist agenda is becoming the blueprint for the political structure of the country. is the joining the forces between monks and generals threatening mars young and fragile democracy. but in the summer the film is when. we do the.
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rules everybody has to and does them this. situation. the alliance. their life they lined. up on stage. the persecution of range of muslims in myanmar can be traced back decades to the military takeover in one nine hundred sixty to. many minorities suffered at the hands of the new dictatorship. the military ruled with an iron fist any form of dissent brutally stomped out. foxed monks believed to be the conscience of the governments and of the large majority of the people pressured leaders to adhere to buddhist principles. in bold and by
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widespread public support the monks led the saffron revolution against the military in two thousand and seven all united for democracy. obama know that they are living off of the list noble. goals are. and large are all of you go to yahoo dot your own d.c. much of new a lot of. these emotional fairs are. the most noble model don't let my all model. in your head by
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war i. must go up. call a marginal home gone to my home. network the model on my feet it all or your only will be. and i'm a thing about money and all yes i gather. that. gambhir was released in two thousand and twelve together with other political prisoners including me a mosque current leader aung san suu kyi it marked the beginning of its transition to democracy. but as a religious tensions between buddhists and muslims minorities started to surface the unity of the saffron revolution shattered. i mean that much like that of god
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in two thousand and twelve thousands of monks once again took to the streets this time they were shouting their support for the military and their call to export their orange. you gumby it up openly oppose this movement it's still determined that democracy was the only way forward for me and mark. repeatedly imprisoned and ostracized for his views he finally fled to thailand in two thousand and sixty. many in the myanmar believe the military still an important part of the governing structure intentionally fuel divisions among blue disc roups they quickly aligned with the most nationalistic buddhist leaders in hans in the army's popularity and influence. in the road through our own behind them.


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