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not pressuring my brutal. the united states will continue to utilize every economic and political means at our disposal to help the venezuelan people using sanctions bisa revocations and other means we pledge to hold the regime and those propping up accountable for their corruption and their repression of democracy we are deeply aware of the recent intimidation tactics used by the madeira regime this past thursday. but there all should know we are watching and our support will not waver . meanwhile there is violence political and economic crisis continues to deeper water shortages and rising inflation are making life even harder for many but it's a model child reports from caracas communities working together to try and cart. for decades many working class venezuelans have had to collect water from points like these at the bottom of the mountains that surround the valley that is caracas the country's infrastructure has forever been underdeveloped however in recent
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weeks the number of those queuing up to gather water has noticeably increased several electricity blackouts has meant that water plants haven't been pumping to homes across the capital was bella's nearest comes here once a week with her two children despite being economically secure if they wait for more than an hour with their buckets and containers. i've been coming more often in recent weeks because there's no water when we have water in our building it's not drink a bowl we use it for other grounds but we can't drink it. what's confounded the problem even more is that caracas has witnessed an unusually dry period with no rain reservoirs like this have dried up. but the government sees the main reasons for the water crisis are subject to the u.s. imposed sanctions aimed at turning the people against president nicolas maduro you . will see that they want people to explode and turn against the government to justify
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a possible military intervention the us government spokesperson has openly stated that the purpose of these sanctions is to make people suffer. to offset this and more importantly seemingly to win people's hearts the government is providing heavily subsidized goods and services to poor venezuelans in a room on the second floor of one of the hundreds of thousands of buildings that sprawl the many favelas scattered across venezuela a group of pro-government activists old school uniforms children's clothes and other garments as part of an initiative set up under former president hugo chavez. similar uniforms are sold in the shops for around twenty seven dollars these are offered for a mere thirty cents their work orders have increased drastically since the u.s. sanctions kicked in. these activists also run a control center where they receive requests for help from local residents and monitor things like water shortages. we monitor and listen to people's needs and with the help of the government we didn't provide for them it's not surprising that
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giovanni is a loyal supporter of the government were not for hugo chavez and his socialist revolution he would never have been able to get a university degree he tells me. the government are hurting or people if america wanted to help the people the wouldn't impose those sanctions for a country with the largest oil reserves in the world you'd expect living standards here to be high but the reality is that basic things like water aren't always available now opponents of president maduro put that down through mismanagement and corruption by a socialist government that's been in power for years but there's no denying that u.s. sanctions have played their part and devastating the venezuelan economy and preventing the country from developing. still ahead on the. m one. preparing to vote in an election that will be about the economy and
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trying to decide whether the current president has done enough to improve their lives. and rescue efforts continue after. the rain. something's brewing over the black sea surprisingly maybe because it shouldn't be that warm yet but this cloud is committed to a shape to the most. active in this part of your cloud to the west it's a lot gregg not caring very much in the way of rain or showers and coming into western olim well that front's been there for a while so apart from the shop shelves still potentially there over greece this is during monday i think to see this development here which is really of ukraine being the one that's quite noticeable the next day or so at least to eastern europe start to enhance the the wind as it brings in still very cold air from russia so snow
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briefly on the ground is prosper in eastern poland better use and ukraine the circulation of quite a windy still be rather than i think for moldova and ukraine west of all this rain is much the same the rain edges in through france and the line up through our in the western side of england and scotland temps in london paris run about the low teens so madrid still beats you by about ten degrees as does the cold in germany another twelve degrees the breeze now his coat and the sun of course out in the sky . most of those are figures quite not up to keep breezy or warmer yet this must occur to rick egypt continues dust from the potential for right.
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up to. the to have you with us on al-jazeera and these are our top stories cities protesters are continuing to surround the army headquarters in khartoum that's despite concessions from the military leaders who insists they allow a somebody and to meet the administration. thousands of civilians have been forced out of their homes on the southern outskirts of the libyan capital tripoli both
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libya's u.n. backed government forces and those involved one of the hof the have been conducting air raids and the u.s. secretary of state has met a friend as well the refugees on the border with colombia and reiterated his call for president to step down by pompei us as the u.s. will use all that's tools to hold the little to account. israel's president is consulting with various political parties on forming a new government after listening to recommendations which was the knesset member would head up the tall scope. sent in a new government in twenty eight days last week prime minister benjamin netanyahu has little party won thirty six of the one hundred twenty seats and israel's parliament putting him in a position to form a coalition well let's get more on this our correspondent is live for us and western students a coalition consultations beginning how to talk us through what's happening at the president's office today. what's happening is that the
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president is receiving delegations each of the political parties that made it through these elections and have won seats in the israeli parliament the knesset now it's really by order of how many seats been won so you've started the day by meeting with a delegation of likud and they basically recommended benjamin netanyahu as the next prime minister of israel he is now currently meeting with the representatives of the blue and white party that's the sort of center coalition that came in to this second position in these elections now they did not recommend benjamin netanyahu as prime minister actually they were they they recommended one of the. blue and white list benny gantz who is actually the leading figure now these consultations will go on for the rest of the day into tomorrow
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maybe by wednesday we will get an announcement from the president who he will ask to form a government and what do we do we have any idea what that government might look like what is there any chance of a unity government. well actually president rivlin just the members of the blue and white list who are sitting with him at the moment if they would accept a national unity government and the answer was no on the current circumstances now that is something that benny gantz had said over and over again you have to remember that really the whole electoral campaign was based on personal attacks and certainly the blue and white went for benjamin netanyahu went for his what they called his the divisive policies his racial policies and also went after him because of these this moment could be he could be slapped with come july
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after hearing so that seems out of the question what you do have clear black and white of paper is really the benjamin netanyahu should be should form his coalition government very easily he has the numbers this will be a government that would be very different from the one that is now it's what i thank you very much for that for now that's made live and west jerusalem thank you. now algerians living in the u.k. and france have held rallies demanding the immediate resignation of the interim government in london they demonstrated and trafalgar square one and all allies of former president are that as these both of to be removed from power well the same call was made inside algeria interior minister was forced to cut short an official visit to the state of basha it was the first such trip by a representative of all algerians interim government. new zealand is appealing for the whereabouts of a nurse kidnapped along with two drivers in syria nearly six years ago. he was
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working for the red cross delivering aid to it live when she was taken as believe she's being held captive by a long side to civilian drivers kidnapping was kept secret for fear her life might be at risk but recent sightings have led to a public opinion saying the holder has moved from beirut. the i.c.r.c. ending its silence appealing for any information on the whereabouts of its staff members two of the syrian nationals their fate is not known but the i.c.r.c. believes that the third staff member a nurse from new zealand is possibly alive and they have information that she was seen alive just a few weeks ago there is no doubt that the i.c.r.c. is gathering information from those who used to live under those rules was territorially defeated a few weeks ago its fighters wives and children are now thousands of them are now
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in a camp in northeast syria so it is trying to gather information. staff members are not the only ones who were kidnapped by remain missing you have the italian priest father paolo you have the british journalist john county who appeared in the videos cameramen all missing believed to have been taken hostage by their whereabouts are still unknown and. hundreds if not thousands of people who went missing under isos rule three thousand for example mass graves continue to be dug in areas that were once under rule bodies are being found but it's a painstaking process to determine. so appeals are now being made all its territory but this armed group still poses a threat it still has sleeper cells in both syria and iraq and it is believed to be taking shelter in the desert in eastern syria as well as in some areas across iraq . to indonesia now with a present
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a presidential as the country needs an economic change of direction beyond those running against incumbent who has all the same some would call it and his first term but his rival in wednesday's election says many indonesians seeing the benefits when hate reports from jakarta. indonesia capital jakarta dr. more time than they used to to talk politics the president djoko widow has encouraged other modes of transport that can be ordered online meaning business has reduced dramatically for these workers they say they'll vote for change in wednesday's election in the hope it will improve their economic situation. these days it's so difficult for me to make a living we don't have enough money for tomorrow's food if we don't work today two to three dollars a day. the economy has been one of the main points of debate during the six month election campaign it's growing at around five percent which is short of what the
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president was aiming for body enough he says to earn a second term in office. we want to continue efforts to develop the economic independence of indonesia jacoby's main focus has been on infrastructure development like the opening of an underground train line in jakarta which was first proposed more than thirty years ago. on the campaign trail joko widodo has spent much of his time trying to sell voters on the economic achievements of his government over the past five years which he says have led to the lowest unemployment rate in twenty years his opponent has opted for a much more populist approach. like the last election in two thousand and fourteen the other choice for president is former army general problem. he says he'll lower the cost of living and he has also promised create more jobs through a boost in the manufacturing sector. didn't cut our nation has long been running in
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the wrong direction if this direction is continued it will not provide welfare for the indonesian people. there is concern among some economists that indonesia can't afford many of the measures proposed is promising but they agree there should be a greater focus on manufacturing in the last thirteen years. experiencing. premature industrialisation switch means that the growth of the manufacturing sector is. below or lower than the. g.d.p. growth campaigning for the election has come to an end now many indonesians will be asking themselves if their lives have improved over the last five years or that they and their country need a new economic direction wayne hay al jazeera jakarta. the leader of finland social democratic party has declared a victory in the country's general election until i won with a. razor thin majority he could be the country's first left when prime minister and two decades the elections have been watched closely by brussels as finland is
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expected to take the vote taking presidency. the rescue efforts in rio de janeiro are continuing after two buildings collapsed on friday nine people are known to have died in the muslim neighborhood hierarch has the details. while the search goes on for the missing people who live nearby are growing increasingly concerned that their homes could be next heavy rain continues to fall in the surrounding buildings all vulnerable and they say they've been left to clear up after the disaster with little help always and changed nothing afraid of the debris left by the rain the furniture everything is still here and it's raining again what are the authorities waiting for for the rain and rubbish to bury in kilis my six year old son is scared he's inside the house saying he doesn't want to be here for veliz or shanty towns like often beyond the gangs control the streets and profit takes priority over building standards the buildings that came down had already been
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condemned residents say the government could and should do more to and corruption. the civil defense comes and inspects last year the condemned buildings down but a few days after that you have people building new ones that happens this is not about suffering it's about being abandoned a state of emergency in rio de janeiro was announced a week ago when the floods and mudslides began to say the worst of the rain is over but fear in the five dollars remains fear that most homes will be reduced to rubble so it's. a new candidate has entered the u.s. presidential election race for next year and what could be a historic first for the white house page but it is the latest in a series of hopefuls aiming to get the democratic party's nomination to face trump in november twenty twenty he is a christian a military veteran who's openly gay the thirty seven year old would be the youngest
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ever president of elected and the first in a same sex marriage. now tiger woods has won his first major title in more than a decade the forty three year old won by two shots to claim the mostest for a fifth time the start of the day two shots off the pace and made early bogeys in the front nine with last one at all gus to back in two thousand and five while his previous success at a major was in two thousand and eight. much more news on our web site al jazeera dot com. and again i don't have a problem and a half of the headlines on al-jazeera sudanese protesters are continuing to surround the army headquarters in khartoum that is despite concessions from military leaders who insist that they will allow a civilian to leave the administration in libya some fighters lot of one of the have reportedly surrounded surrendered south of tripoli handing in their weapons
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and surrender and army vehicles to forces loyal to the u.n. back. government the two sides have been fighting for control off tripoli since earlier this month. thousands of civilians have been forced out of their homes on the southern outskirts of tripoli both at libya's u.n. back government forces and those loyal to have been conducting air raids. the u.s. secretary of state has made to venezuela refugees on the border with colombia and reiterated his call for president nicolas maduro to step down my pump aoe says the u.s. will use all that's tools to hold the bhutto to account. the united states will continue to utilize every economic and political means at our disposal to help the venezuelan people using sanctions vsa revocations and other means we pledge to hold the regime and those bribing it up accountable for their corruption and their repression of democracy we are deeply aware of the recent intimidation tactics used
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by the majority in this past thursday but those should know we are watching and our support will not waver israel's president has consulted with various political parties on forming a new government often listen to recommendations riven revelent which is a knesset member who head up the topic of presenting a new government in twenty eight days algerians living in the u.k. and france have held rallies demanding the immediate resignation of the interim government in london they demonstrated in trafalgar square calling for all allies of former president of the of these beautifully to be removed from power while the same call was made inside algeria the interior minister was forced to cut short an official visit to the southern state of basha it was the first such trip by a representative of algeria as an interim government. well those are the headlines on al-jazeera i'll have another full news bulletin for
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you in just over thirty minutes coming up next as inside story thank you for watching. russian military advisors in africa they're not officially representing the kremlin but working for a private security company russia claims they are helping bring peace critics say it's a discovery is for the expansion of russia's military influence talk to al-jazeera gains exclusive access to a russian military training camp in the central african republic. getting away with murder and how do we ensure those who commit atrocities face justice there was an international court for war crimes and she's invites violations of boss more and more perpetrators ever skating punishment so how can we hold them to account this is inside story.
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how unwelcome it to the program and of the parana murder war crimes crimes against humanity including genocide these a some of the worst atrocities and international law from conflicts to the persecution of minorities because of religion or ethnicity the world is facing more instances of human rights violations and increasingly the people responsible for getting away with them cut it was holding a two day conference on the issue attended by more than two hundred fifty representatives from the un you and various rights organizations they're discussing ways to ensure the perpetrators of such crimes don't escape justice and are held to account there are calls for the un to appoint a special rep of torture of combat impunity the un's human rights chief says they called the peace of those responsible for crimes don't face justice. so sad to say the consulate's affairs are saying turn readings must however be the suppress reference we see firsthand accounts of men women and children who have been
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subjected to remember horrific crimes massacres torture sexual violence displacement starvation deniers access to basic medical care to education we've asked the mayor to bring the perpetrators of this class to justice and to protect the buttons victims have the right true justice on average. try to take sustainable peace under consideration this is a must al-jazeera as a solomon job it has more from the conference and the. basic human rights and civil rights exist on the statutes of most countries in the world but human rights workers and activists say that they are constantly being pummelled upon a gathering of more than two hundred fifty representatives of non-government organizations as well as stakeholders from various parts of the world have gathered here in door to discuss efforts to try and end that impunity with which rights are floundered people here have been talking about rights of in combat zones in places
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like syria and yemen to libya and other areas where there are sprouting sense of achievement by the people similar to what is happening in sudan and this is what the organizers have been telling us that they've been trying to achieve is to bring people under one roof where these ideas can be formulated into a framework which can be then presented to various human rights organizations in the world who can try and see how these basic rights can be given to the people and we've been hearing stories of frustration from activists from all over the world who say that yes there have been conferences but these tend to become echo chambers of similar voices and the people who are actually carrying out the violations of the. yes rights are never part of these conferences and that remains to be the challenge in not just conflict zones but other parts of the world where the right to assembly the right to free speech the right to housing or various other rights
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are not being it had said this is what activists have been telling us that they want the world especially in the case of syria activists say that they want the world to take north of what its inaction has achieved and they want people to hold responsibility and then also people who have been violating these rights to be held responsible for inside story i'm a solid job in the. let's take a look now at some recent cases the cia reportedly concluded that saudi crown prince mohammed bin salam all of the murder of journalists last october but u.s. president although trump has avoided implicating him saudi arabia has detained eleven people but none of them other close aides to bin sound monts want to be involved in killing saddam's deposed leader omar al bashir it has evaded to international criminal court arrest warrants are war crimes and the army says it won't extradite him to the hague syria's president bashar al assad has been accused
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of war crimes in the eighty eight conflict but has ally russia has vetoed un resolutions to refer the matter to the i.c.c. . well let's bring in our panel now joining me in the studio is toby cadman international human rights lawyer and barrister at going to thirty seven that's an international law firm in beirut as rami who we professors of journalism at the american university of beirut and senior fellow at harvard kennedy school and also in the us from the conference is more. chief of the rule of law equality and nondiscrimination branch of the office of the u.n. high commissioner for human rights a very warm welcome to all of you. before we talk about more in more detail about those specific cases that we mentioned let me start with a general question to you why are we seeing a rise more human rights violations and war crimes and does impunity and the lack of accountability that mean that such crimes will only continue. let me
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just start from perhaps a different point of view that. where you actually posed the question i'm not sure we are seeing more impunity actually we are seeing more awareness that human rights violations are taking place it's thanks to a book at the civil society to human rights defenders so a lot of special represent questions of inquiry very active human rights council view and human rights council that is why the knowledge of what is going on in the world and basically. a lot more aware of what people are going through in different parts of the world who are much more productive there's not much more information. flow and that for me gives us that is an urgency to deal with what we know the good story is that we have a framework we have
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a framework we have all saw institutions that are in place and we can do something about it we need the political will we need the support to be able to move forward and that's actually is the responsibility for all members of the international community to make sure that this is happening ok so possibly not more crimes being committed but definitely more awareness of the ones that are so how do we take that awareness and hold people to account had been let's talk about some of the cases that we've already mentioned there are plenty of big cases of possible immunity impunity here rather and what can be done if we look at the most recent one the toppling of long time sudanese leader or the shia who's wanted for war crimes you know for his role in the deaths of millions of people and that for between two thousand and three and two thousand and eight the military who are now in charge in sudan have said they want to extradite him to the hague they will try
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him what are the chances that omar al bashir will face a fair. trial and saddam was a big question that the i.c.c. is going to have to deal with now because as he's indicted by the i.c.c. the i.c.c. has jurisdiction but of course the i.c.c. operates under a principle problem entirety as a law a court of last resort and so it is preferable that cases such as this all are tried to mystically in the place where the crimes were committed so as an advocate of justice not because of victims' rights i always want to see justice. in in the areas where the crimes were committed but it can be very difficult to put an individual such as a share on trial particularly during the the current situation with the with the military rule and whether there would be a sufficient legal and institutional framework in sudan to try him in a civilian court that would meet fair trial standards and that will be one of the
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questions that the i.c.c. has to ask recent when that been put in the same position as far as libya is concerned and they allowed for a trial to go forward in libya most international lawyers such as myself thought there was an absolutely ridiculous situation and so i think they're going to have to look very very carefully at what legal institutional framework they have in place to put him on trial that there is not the death penalty and to what extent the international community will be able to support it i think the likelihood is that people will want to see him tried in the hague at the i.c.c. but it's quite clear that this the sudanese or thirty's currently in place are not going to hand him over and we also have to understand that the military rulers who are in place are part of a system that have committed crimes over a lengthy period of time and so they're not going to want to see him hand them to the i.c.c. and so that's that's also
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a problem. mr cody i want to bring you in in on this i know that you watch events in the region very closely how do you see what's unfolding in sudan envenomation to or. and will what happens to him depend on whether the military stays in power or a civilian government is a mountain those two things will be important in the great dynamic that's taking place right now in algeria and in sudan is a historic unprecedented and really pivotal moment when millions and millions of citizens are peacefully trying to actually put into practice the principle of the sovereignty of the people in the consent of the governed. the governance of the arab world for the last fifty years or so has been dominated by security and military services and this is what these uprisings have been all about they started eight years ago and now they've reached a dramatic moment again and algeria and so that if you can get genuine civilian
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legitimate accountable participatory and democratic and for listing governance which is what the people want there's a possibility that we can then re furbished our judicial system and allow for really high quality accords of international standards the likelihood of that is there but it's going to take a long time in the meantime the real problem we have with the i.c.c. in the international system is that it seems to be a kind of a new form of western imperialism or colonialism where basically these institutions are dominated by the permanent members of the security council the ultimately go back to the security council in most cases and the permanent members of the security council the great britain and the united states and france and russia are all actively at war in the middle east they're selling millions and billions of dollars of arms they're actively fighting in places like yemen and syria and other
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places. so that libya the french and libya and so the idea that the r.c.c. will actually hold accountable people all over the world people level of justice is not a very realistic one unfortunately that's why it's been mostly populous african tyrants who have been put on trial with a couple from former yugoslavia so this is the problem that we see a kind of a double standard and it's not easy to see how almost hassan bashir will be held accountable mr. cadman i do want to bring you in on this now because i know that you were you know you have a lot to do with the i.c.c. but before i do mr shaunie what do you make of that you know the fact that. the i.c.c. and who has power and the international criminal court make up the permanent members of the u.n. security council who are also involved in different conflicts around the world including arming conflicting parties well as perhaps is that is
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known only three members of the of the security permanent members of the security council are members of their own statute and there are two important members the u.s. and russia which are not part of the old structure and that's a problem and that itself doesn't tell you that that's a problem in itself as into the united states that china russia and members of the international criminal court. yes i think that that that is then issue but as we know universal three theories that they've signed for them to be taught the universe though and totally and this is the this is of course very important that all members of the international community all members become party to the rome statute but that actually the we also the issue in a different way the international court of criminal court talks of. fifty you wish and in place and when they to. opens investigations as these investigations are
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either defer to by the security council or a member state itself brings this situation to its attention to situations where referred by by the security council this is a situation in the road for banks to a very comprehensive commission of inquiry on the fourteenth two thousand and five and is the situation in libya the other situations that are before the international criminal court were more slee refer to it by the state itself if the prosecutor took the initiative in a few few of the few situations but these are not really the big the big majority of five so really it's thanks to the state's corporation with the international criminal court that we have the situations which are being addressed right now in the court ok i want to talk now about situation and then i want to when i was. just going to bring mr cabinet now on a situation that is not being going to be investigated by the international
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criminal court they ruled on they rule just yesterday that that the international criminal court's chief prosecutor cannot look into war crimes in afghanistan now they said that it wouldn't serve the interests of justice if an investigation into crimes against civilians doesn't serve the interests of justice i mean how will justice be served. well i think it's fair to say that the decision by the pretrial chamber in relation to the situation in afghanistan has been widely condemned by international lawyers around the world myself included the there are a number of problems with the decision of rage first of all by applying the the interest of justice to test the interest of justice tess's ordinarily a test that has to be applied by the prosecutor in not opening an investigation. so for the for the judges the pretrial chamber to apply that is problematic as to
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whether it all has even jurisdiction to apply such a test the the other issues of course this is come on the back of a very. bullying campaign by the united states and so the message that that sends is incredibly dangerous yet at the same national said a craven capitulation to america's bullying absolutely and you know this is not the first time we've seen this we we saw this many many years ago with us trying to convince other states not to. ratify the rome statute says not the first time we've seen and we've seen this sort of bullying tactics over a period of time. and so the decision is going to be interpreted in such a way and that's going to give other states the strength to stand up to the i.c.c. and not cooperate so that's that's dangerous in itself the other issue that has been raised by the i.c.c.
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pretrial chamber is the inability to effectively investigate then of course prosecutors around the world on the national or international level will always apply a test of whether there is a reasonable prospect of successfully prosecuted the case of course you look at that that's a process prosecutors test not not a judicial determination and what we are seeing is a situation where there is constant battling between the prosecutor and the judges as to who has the discretion to determine cases and when we're looking at the inability to investigate they're talking about the situation in afghanistan is very different now to when the inquiry is first started the position of the united states not cooperating. but if we if we go back to some of the other situations that have been investigated in sudan as an example there's been no cooperation from from the regime. the pretrial chamber one ruled last year
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that it has jurisdiction in respect of mind ma right by using this new form of jurisdiction which is which is very innovative and the judges were the ones that agreed to the prosecuted did have jurisdiction our group was one that's. because bruce saying that the court does have jurisdiction and we've not followed up with a filing in relation to syria and jordan so we want the judges to expand their jurisdiction but so it's very difficult to understand how the judges can say that it is too difficult to investigate in afghanistan so we're not going to have to get it when they have made rulings in other cases and as as other guests have said. particularly the point that when you're looking at this girl as i'm imperialism right the oddness have been made she's serious criticism of the i.c.c. and the one case that they fall on is against united states and that is really
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playing into into into this focus is absolutely a lot about i.c.c. and their role in combating impunity but mr hawtrey i want to bring you back in now on one of the specific case that doesn't involve the i.c.c. yet anyway which is that of the murder of a journalist you knew well gee and what saudi arabia is doing detained eleven people and carrying out a trial in secrecy we don't know the names we don't know the charges and despite the fact that the united states the cia and the u.s. senate believe that crown prince mohammed bin sound man was ultimately responsible are we going to see him and tried over this will he face justice for this. it's unlikely that some of been some man will be put on trial anywhere but that's not really the criterion that we should be looking at what's fascinating is that he's already had his wings clipped
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a little bit the crown prince of saudi arabia in different ways that the press the king is taking on some more authority in foreign affairs the second important thing about saudi arabia and the killing is that while the american government trump in particular have essentially supported the crown prince and said leave him out of this the congress has taken serious action passing laws about yemen about saudi arabia about accountability and some european governments the norwegians the germans others have suspended arms sales and another symbolic moves so we are seeing some significant practical actions friday seen by some elements of major western governments but on the whole there isn't a big direct move to bring him had been summoned to trial but we'll have to give this some more time and see how those who are pushing back on him get their work done mr smalley i want to bring you in now on another subject that we mentioned at
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the start of the program which is of course syria interesting you know omar al bashir was in syria in december missing from syrian president bashar assad we've had the united arab emirates open the embassies in syria and both the united arab emirates and saddam asking the arab league to allow president assad back in some five hundred thousand people killed in the syrian civil war is russia going to face justice. the file of syria is really a very painful because we are talking about really as you said hundreds of thousands perhaps of people who were who were killed millions perhaps this internally and outside the country and really the destruction of a country is really really enormous as you know we are talking about the huge human and human rights crisis in the country to me it's very important that those
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responsible for what is going to about twenty seven million people in that country actually one day face justice as i said before i think we have an important framework that and we are working to words this we have a commission of inquiry that highlight the various aspects of this whether it is detention. executions the penalty. of. starvation various aspects of it we have now the independent in depend on the question investigative mechanisms of what is known as that. which is collecting and recording information we have the commission of inquiry is identifying perpetrators ok so what you're saying and what is missing to it is there's additional mechanism right so there's additional. ok mr cavanaugh i can see
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you wanted to come in we don't have any arguments on the program so i'd like to ask you so we have framework judicial mechanisms missing in some places what is it going to take what will it take to end impunity for criminals well very very quickly looking at syria in particular and i think mother is quite right in what she's saying and highlighting the role of the commission of inquiry and the role of the tripling of the mechanism there is a really really important. when you look at syria you've got to a situation such as syria you got to think we've got to collect the evidence we've got to safeguard the evidence because for future prosecutions we never thought the charles taylor would be held accountable we never thought that radovan carriages who has just received life in prison would be held accountable the those who are responsible in syria will be held accountable the i.c.c. doesn't have jurisdiction over syria as i said what we are trying to do now when we follow the beginning of march with the prosecutor which is now being considered is
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for the crime of force deportation the same as the situation in mind. and our group is hopeful with the support of the trip and the commission of inquiry that the prosecutor will be given sufficient evidence to to investigate and then potentially bring charges but what you've got to understand and i say this having dealt with those near rwanda iraq libya is that we can't expect this to happen overnight it won't happen overnight and the majority of the situation is going to fall on syrians and syrian institutions and over a long period of time and that's where we also need to be dedicated in support i would like to see the trip and other institutions providing support to help train syrian lawyers and judges because they're the ones who are going to have to deal with this in the long term in this cabin thank you very much for that unfortunately we have run out of time even though we have so much to discuss on this but i'd like to thank all of our guests toby cadman rami who are in beirut and more also here
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in doha thank you all very much and thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website best al jazeera dot com and for further discussion to go to our facebook page that facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter handle is at a.j. and five story from the end of a primer and the whole team here five for now. al jazeera as i would winning investigative documentary program people ask me a large or native woman going with him or being murdered what's the reason food lines goes beyond the headlines holding the powerful to account have you heard of this story not involved in that examining the u.s. and its role in the why someone has to get the gun i'm shooting people right now.
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back with a new series that's the reality that we live in coming soon on al-jazeera egypt strongman is ruling with an eye and faced on the silence from his allies is deafening the u.s. was perfectly happy to trade off the march for sea for security while western leaders turning a blind eye when even the citizens have fallen victim to his repression executions torture or censorship is not acceptable and you won't hear such strong words from let's say berlin or paris or london and in cairo on al-jazeera. now all jews iraq. where ever you are. in syria citizens are collecting evidence that your daughter jill has shot of crimes
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committed against civilians you've moved out of syria now those six hundred thousand pages of material so that one day they can bring the outside regime to justice it puts a human face on the charges it's a dead human face but it's a human tricks syria witnesses for the prosecution on al-jazeera. protesters in sudan demand immediate and over of power to a civilian government despite new concessions from military leaders. and i welcome to al-jazeera live from my headquarters and me in
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a so ahead displaced by fighting between libyan government troops and forces loyal to the lost. and civilian areas. the u.s. secretary of state says venezuela's president must go as he visits refugees in a colombian border city class. of at a loss for. tiger woods while back the clock and does what many thought would never happen again. thousands of demonstrators and saddam remained kept outside the army headquarters in the capital khartoum despite talks between the military and protest organizers there calling for an immediate transition to a civilian government that will be in charge for the next four years meanwhile there's been a major shake up in the military and political establishment since the removal of the sheet on thursday the military council has conceded to an important demand i
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protest as a promise to restructure the national intelligence and security service but. we do not call for the removal of demonstrators by force in fact the reason we intervened in the first place was because force was used by the ousted regime but our call to everyone who is organizing the protests to bring life back to normalcy still stands having said that if we find people with weapons of course we have to bear the responsibility as guarantors of the state we can't allow that to take place in order to protect the protesters. outside the army headquarters or anywhere in the member of sudan as long as the protesters are allowed to demonstrate we bear the responsibility of protecting the government and won't allow any third party to do so let's go to our correspondent have a morgan now she is joining us live from phone so what do the people of the street and others have a make off the statement from the military council as a piece of them. well elizabeth the people on the streets of thousands by the
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way are not happy with this statement they're saying that the military council is trying to take over the transitional government of course one of the more main points of contention between this political parties and the military council council is how the transitional government will be run the military council is proposing that it will take the defense ministry and the interior ministry and it will be the one supervising the transitional government the political parties want an independent transitional government with the military council only there to maintain the security and law and order in the country so obviously that's one point of the of differences between the two sides there's also the issue of how long the transition period should be some political parties are proposing for years while the parents while the military council wants to your transitional period they're saying that that should be more than enough for the political parties to get their act together and prepare the country for elections of course the main player we're going to have to look out for is the sudanese professional association
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issued a statement a few minutes ago and they're saying that people should continue with their sit in there saying that the civilian government and less a civilian government is formed the protest is far from over and despite the tone of the military council that it is not planning to disperse the protesters in front of the army headquarters we've spoken to some activists this morning and they're saying that the military has been trying to remove the rule blocks that they put in place and have been trying to disperse them so they're saying that this does not make them confident about the military council and its plans are for a transitional government for an independent transitional government and the political parties tots. forming this transitional government have they started the process. well no no they haven't and that's because there is no clear method and how they would choose a prime minister as proposed by the military council there's also no clear plans or ideas on how they would be able to nominate their cabinet and let's not forget elizabeth that the political parties are not all on one page as i said some of them
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want to transition period of two years some of them want a transitional period of four years there's a question of how they would elect a prime minister from apart from from a pool of more than fifty political parties and how well they would be represented whether it would be based on states or ethnicity or qualifications the sudanese professional association again is saying that if this issues are not resolved that people should not hand over their revolution to the military council there is the they are saying that people should continue with the sit in no matter how long it takes we've seen some drop in the number of people who are in front of the army headquarters but there are still a significant number over a thousand sitting there waiting to hear from the sudanese professional association which is not a political party but has been spearheading the calls for protests so they're saying that unless they hear that there's a transitional government an independent government regardless of what the political parties say if the sudanese professional association does not call it call the game over then they will continue with their revolution thank you very much for that for now that cyclists fondant have a morgue and with all the latest to live from we are going to get more on this
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we're joined by for the modern day an analyst on sydney's political affairs very good to have you with that on al-jazeera so before we get to political parties being able to form a transitional government how does the military on one side and the political parties and civil society on the other overcome the differences that they have now on what the government looks like and how long it will stay in power and who gets key roles will the military be allowed to keep the interior the defense all of those key issues was so. what came out from yesterday's meeting between the military representatives of the military council with their representative or political party is to form a joint coordination kind of committee that they can work through together. on these issues. key point as you correctly mentioned is how to define the powers of
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the military transitional council as opposed to the civilian government i think that's going to be very key. and as you can notice from yesterday and today. less controversy about the issues related to personalities and now talking about substantive issues is how to define that i think that is if they manage to do that is a very huge step forward it is kind of a difficult to see there the military which is i mean suspected to to try and dominate the scene is calling for a maximum of two years reading it while the civilian side for four years which is kind of ironic but anyway i think the key here is not necessarily the timeframe for it is what is need to be done during this transition is should be driven by what are the key issues that we need to address before we go to the election there are some conflicts around the corner of the country that needs to be resolved yeah the
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issue of constitution they sure philipp the reforms and addressing the current crisis i think before these are the key issues that needs to be done before you walk through an election and i think eventually they will agree both sides on maybe something in between guys three years many tours and a half on one of those key issues you know we're talking so much about the military about political parties about civil society we haven't heard a lot from the armed groups inside on who also have a stake how are they looking on at what's happening while the i'm good during the fall. months uprising they came out clearly that they are supporting the uprising but since the revolver or from what bashir and the following the development we haven't seen clear statements from the group whether in that for the move a mountain on the blue knights and i think it is time that they have to speak out and then they have major mistakes in what's going on in the country they can decide
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remain silent of course or probably they have their own calculations but. i think it is a good time for them to be part of the process and to go to the beauty of this. drawing from the lessons of the transition in one thousand nine hundred five at that time the spirit of the south sudan was the major. group that it was in part of the process and other results after the elections in one thousand nine hundred six they opposed to the government resulted from the election and they continued fighting i think this time around we need to have all the stakeholders as part of the process going forward and that's the same thank you very much for your time and that's really appreciated that is the law then say thank you. that's we want to other news now out of libya where some fighters loyal to the have reportedly surrendered south of tripoli handing in their weapons and army vet forces loyal to the u.n. backed government the two sides have been fighting for control of the capital
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tripoli since earlier this month well this comes as thousands of civilians have been forced out of their homes on the southern outskirts of tripoli without the why have reports on the worsening humanitarian situation. displaced in their own country this is one of the many offices in the libyan capital where people affected by the latest fighting have come to register their names they were promised food and shelter photos were hammered left his home in where the ruby area south of tripoli after random gunfire hit their house he says he and his family narrowly escaped death. to our house was in the crossfire from three directions so i gathered my family and took shelter in one room five minutes later a rocket landed and exploded in the house it destroyed three rooms. fighting has intensified near civilians areas since the forces loyal to me for have to launch
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an offensive to take control of the capital tripoli on the fourth of april are you and back to police the government has launched a counteroffensive to defend the capital the fighting soon currently extends to around one hundred sixty kilometers south of tripoli it includes the areas of sheer the disused international airport. so the hill where they will be here and ends are several occasions in and around tripoli have been also hit areas strikes the united nations says more than one thousand people have left their homes to escape the fighting on the southern outskirts of tripoli the government offered. it's hearsay that number continues to rise and there and back the government is accusing have those forces of targeting civilian areas with heavy weapons mohammed says he saw dead bodies near his house and one of his neighbors was killed by
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a random bullet here and his family hardly had any chance to collect their blooming so. we don't know where we should go has been destroyed in our area it's caves there and we left everything behind including our livestock. there being provided with food and blankets by aid organizations but municipal council members say they don't have enough shelters to accommodate the groomed number of displaced people. have heard that five hundred families have registered only in the center we are getting more people but the problem we face now is that we don't have enough shelters we have even used state hotels and hospitals to lodge them some of these people have been provided to the houses by local to.

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