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tv   Inside Story 2019 Ep 260  Al Jazeera  September 18, 2019 3:32am-4:01am +03

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at root unity government involving both he could and itself and the new and white but if he doesn't yahoo is determined to stay there not could be a huge roadblock to that happening so what most people focusing on now is the fact that they don't want to 3rd election so it could create an environment where all creativity and collaborative cooperation might be forced on people we have just wait to see dhoni watching that very very closely that's how correspondent hi force that's live in tel aviv from nic could head courses well we'll be watching all of the developments of from that israeli election very closely here on out as era do stay with us i'll be back with more news now inside story here on al-jazeera.
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hundreds of thousands of rohingya muslims remaining in me and more face a serious risk of genocide that's according to a new report from a united nations fact finding mission u.n. investigators are also calling for top generals and me and more to stand trial for war crimes but would that be enough to end the suffering of one of the most persecuted minorities in the world this is inside story. hello and welcome to the program. 2 years after me and more as military crackdown on the one hand you an investigator say conditions remain deplorable for the muslim
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ethnic minority that 600000 rohingya living in iraq and state face a serious risk of genocide and that it is impossible for hundreds of thousands who fled to bangladesh to return last year the u.n. fact finding mission found that military officers carried out a campaign against the regime with genocidal intent the investigators are now calling for me and more to be held responsible and army generals to face trial over rapes and killings mean mars government has repeatedly denied all accusations the reports also concluded that me and more is failing in its obligation to prevent investigate and criminalize genocide rohingya living in iraq and state face hate speech and restrictions on almost every aspect of their life factors for arbitrary detention killings torture rape and other forms of sexual violence are still present the mission calls for the un security council to refer me and more to the international criminal court and urge governments and companies to sever all business ties with the military. it says it has
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a confidential list of more than $100.00 names including officials suspected of being involved in genocide and war crimes. all right let's bring in our guests from germany by skype is dr anita shook head of the women children and public affairs department for the european council and from yangon and me and more also by skype is john quigley a human rights specialist at fortify rights a nonprofit human rights organization thank you both for joining us anita showed so this new report from the u.n. fact finding mission has now been handed off to the independent investigative mechanism for me and more what happens next. what happens next. i answer this question we have to make sure that the independent this independent mechanic it's not a court itself and that's why it's very important mendo court already has said that remain in
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a kind are under the threat or are facing the genocide genocide so we have to consider that this is independent mechanism is not a court itself but it's the use the evidence to chaz being given collided by the fact cunning mission to prosecute general in the future so it is very important that. international community takes concrete action referring the military the country itself to i.c.c. and to the international criminal court of justice because otherwise deviated the mama tree and the civilian government to continue to enjoy the impunity for the crimes they have committed or being the complicit for the genocide against doing a community and genocide of their new community does not stop it is being in other communities are being also involved like they're kind people. so there should be.
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beyond them a kind of beside the mechanics and they should be and action now so is this what the international community has been providing are the political political it should end drunkenly i saw you nodding along the to what and you know sugar was saying i want to give you a chance to respond because it looks like you want to jump in but i also want to ask you to expand upon the point that anita sugar is making when it comes to the international criminal court because this is a process that is beset with complications and bureaucracy at the moment there is an official request by the prosecutor of the i.c.c. in front of a panel of judges for an official investigation to be opened into the crimes against the rahane guy but we have no idea when decision will be made and we don't yet know when or if this could actually show up in a courtroom form correct. yeah i think their actual community should use all the
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tools that has and it's tool box to be able to push for international accountability. so that means you know like anita said the i.c.j. the i.c.c. even the fear i mean the m.r. generals here here in the country they fear international prosecution so this can have international accountability and even the idea of it can have a preventative effect and stop future atrocities from taking place in the country anita should one of the recommendations made by the u.n. fact finding commission is for international organizations other countries to stop doing business with me and morris military but is there any evidence as of yet that the tide has turned on that that these groups that are doing business with me in march military will listen to these pleas and stop doing so. i don't think so does food happen very soon in the future because it at the end of the day the plight of
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door is basically because of the economic interests in the country because everyone things that they have they have to have a piece of cake in the newly open market in the year and the m.r. is not not one of the explorer markets so every country every and many of the companies are villan to. look keep aside the genocide of do here and continue to do business as usual so i think unless and until these an accountability. military being dragged to the international community coat and the country itself for why need for not being able to or not willing to protect the it's a very vulnerable group or ethnic minorities in the country i don't think so if they're in the near future this is going to stop on the company's been continue to do so john quigley one of the points made repeatedly throughout the new report is that
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sexual and gender based violence by mean more is military remains a prominent feature of conflicts there but we're not just talking about the ring or correct them we're talking about conflicts that they've had with other ethnic groups and shannon catchin states correct. yeah i mean the coach and the shon the qur'an there are hendra have all experience atrocity crimes from the me and our military but miramar military is the problem and there there's a lot of solidarity happening between the ethnic groups right now you know rape has been used as a weapon or in cases like a trial on shonen and kitchen states and this is not just happening against their handa and it's not just happening against women men and transgender or 100 people have also been targeted by the military and you know experienced sexual violence against them. i mean to show from your vantage point. you know again and
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again we've seen in geos we've seen u.n. organizations put out these calls for the international community to do more to help the rain why is that not happening i think as international community or the u.n. has stated very many years ago there are. not only the most persecuted community or ethnic minority in the what but they're also. the ones who have the least friends and the test shown again during the atrocities in 2017 and to know now that the empathy our people should be receiving it they have failed to receive them to the beach to deserve and this is that inaction of the international community because i don't think so. are to such an extent margin i think they can offer anything to the international community. on the one of the
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reasons that the rangar so marginalize because they are effectively stateless and you recently authored a report for fortify rights called tools of genocide in which you you really described in detail the history of what is called the national verification card and how you say that has been used i mean mars military to further marginalise could you go into a bit more detail about what exactly that national verification card scheme is and how it has been used. yes and not hold their kitchen card or the n.b.c. it affectively identify as their hand as a foreigner. in their own land and it strips their ahead of access to full citizenship rights be n.b.c. is based off discriminatory law called the 1982 citizenship law which also does not allow their hand access for citizenship at best the n.b.c. can ground or hand naturalized citizen ship but
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a naturalized citizen can be stripped of their rights at any time by the in myanmar by the state so this is not a sustainable solution for him in the common tree or for those that may return in the future and the. there's been a lot of coverage over the past 2 years about these repatriation deals these agreements that were made between the governments of of me and moore and bangladesh in order for rangar refugees in bangladesh to return to me in march i was on the ground in cox's bizarre bangladesh last november when they tried to initiate one of these repatriation schemes and the un was involved they interviewed all the names that were on the list that have been provided by bangladesh to me and more and not one rohingya refugee who is in or interviewed agreed to go back because they were so afraid for their safety are you concerned that they will get to
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a point in bangladesh where there could be a forced repatriation scheme because up until now it's only known terry. yeah i think unless and until a restriction of full citizenship rights to do he gets inside myanmar is guaranteed and unless and until military who has perpetrated the genocide against our community are held accountable there is no safe and security for our people and not a single he is beginning to return home that's why the dam might be a time in the future there but not this he's frustrated the empathy is going to be very low for the people like in 1992 when a dish has forced people to return to me m.r. so their dam might be at times but now there isn't into international media coverage there is a pressure on the bangladeshi government also so i am not sure if none of this
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government is going to risk its image there might be attempts like pushing them to question char island but pushing them to rakhine state i don't think so they would risk destroying their image junk when they what do you think about that point i mean bangladesh has government it has has said over and over again that repatriation would only happen if it was on a voluntary basis but there are indications right now from officials in bangladesh and from media outlets in bangladesh that perhaps patience seems to be running out when it comes to the rink issue do you think we could get to a point where repatriation could be pushed again and maybe they suggested it would be a forced repatriation. yeah i was i was in cox bazaar during the repatriation process in november 2018 i was also in caucus are recently in august 22nd monitoring there a trace in process of her rights and myself spoke to people who are hendo refugees
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in the camps on august 22nd that were on the repatriation list and all of them like anita said. don't want to go back without restored citizenship rights they also talk about the need to go back to their original holy land and many of them talked about the need for reparations for the law ah so they've occurred from atrocity. you know right now bangladesh is making it very difficult for the rich refugees to live in the camps there's been you know restrictions on internet and sim cards in the camps and this makes it very difficult for rejoinder refugees to communicate with the outside world you know i n.g.o.s in the camps are being restricted right now so this is kind of a squeezing a fact that could lead for him gets a fear living in bangladesh so you know sort of rights calls on the ball and actually government to protect or hinder refugee rights and to restore access to
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you know internet and sim cards and allow freedom of movement access to formalize education in the camps and to make it a sustainable place to lift you know but the main issue is that me amar needs to create a situation where there are hendra are willing to return and and right now we see in myanmar is a situation of ongoing genocide and persecution and there is no access to education in state now and there's still attacks going on against their head and other ethnic minorities it's an issue got i want to ask you to expand on the point you were making a few moments ago because you mentioned box on charge for our viewers understand this is a a tiny this silt island that's off the coast bangladesh in the bay of bengal. and the idea is that they would perhaps the government of bangladesh will be moving potentially hundreds of thousands of the refugees from the camps and cox's bizarre to these these units that they built to house them on this island how close are you
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how close do you think we are to seeing that potentially happen there i mean guys are not then we were in cox those are our people are not building to move from one camp to another everyone is willing to return home if there are restriction of our our rights our citizenship rights and there is an accountability and protection for us for doing a community so they want to again here also there won't be any one entry movement of the ruling yes from one camp to bus one char ion and char island is very slug cool era now recently in those are in the refugee camps we have seen houses have been flooded and and people who are living there for many years and now the app's letted so imagine what are the consequences in bashan jar and if there are some emergencies and even the humanitarian send the doctors to reach a child 8 and 23 hours so it means we are risking putting these really in your
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community again in but entire island at risk of losing their lives john quickly in late july i believe it was the u.s. government decided to impose sanctions on top military leaders in me and more but many critics said that that simply didn't go far enough is there any indication that that is making any kind of a difference when it comes to me and morris approach to this. yeah i mean part of our rights is calling for more sanctions take place against me m.r. officials and the military own enterprises in the country there should be you know a global arms embargo as well and the u.s. government can go farther in their sanctions and they have i think you know the travel restrictions they put in place and you know naming general min online which the u.s. government did and they sanction him i think that was a good start but i think they can also you know they can move it further and they can implement more targeted sanctions against other military and police officials
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the u.n. fact finding mission they have you know at least $100.00 names of people that could be responsible for crimes against humanity and genocide sort of pyrites in. 18 put out a report on the atrocity crimes that took place and we name $22.00. military and police officials that we believe should also be investigated so there's a lot more that can happen and there's a crime the international community i need to show i've been to cox's bazar 4 separate times in the past year and a half and i can tell you that the types of atrocities that have been described to us we've been in the camps are among the worst that my team and i as journalists have ever encountered are the men and women and children who suffered so much trauma and so much abuse do they come close to getting the kind of help
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whether it be medical whether it be social whether it be counseling that they need . it is very important that you have asked this question because many many visited the cock's bazaar be have interviewed me have met many victims including children and women and if every want to highlight one point when people go to our people in any need to un take testimonies they return home be severely traumatized and they are not the direct victims and did receive the counseling unfortunately our very young children women victims of rape people who have lost to siblings who lost their parents and they have seen how their parents have been killed in front of dahlias dibble forced to see they haven't received even a single psychological support counseling sessions and talking about 65 percent of
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decent out of 1100000 population and it may be psychological support or medical support now i d's a huge gap because. camps are not equipped or are not to appear to provide tertiary services specialist services should be have even met kids children who have been directly shot and they are paralyzed and they are having complications like you had to keep it is and which needs plastic surgery and there are no help for such children so these are huge deficit and i think the international community besides. looking for politico solution to should be also aiding in supporting the very traumatized rohingya refugees psychological support medical support and also education because 64 as i said 65 percent of the people are children and losing our generations and these are didn't have seen i have
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bitterness trauma and if you don't put these children don't create a hope for them they will be easily radicalized and displayed become a problem for the burden of this government for the people have been a vision also in for me amar in the future that's why it's very important that all despots all the odds are met. all right joining us now from london is ronan lea of visiting scholar at queen mary university of london's international state crime initiative ronan thanks for being with us look i think a lot of people that maybe follow this story just from time to time don't quite understand the magnitude of the persecution faced by the rohingya i mean we're talking about decades here right could you go into a little bit about the waves of migration that we've seen in the seventy's the ninety's in the past couple of years from me and more into bangladesh. well we've seen 4 major waves of forced migration from me and mother bangladesh and the common
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denominator every time is when me and mao's military interacts with the rich the direct result is atrocities against rohingya civilians and tens of thousands of. being sent to bangladesh during the seventy's they claimed that what they were doing was checking citizenship rights within me and ma the direct result was atrocities committed against civilians and hundreds of thousands crossed into bangladesh that was repeated again in 1992 when again 200000 rating or thereabouts were forced into bangladesh and many of those subsequently returned but returned to the same kinds of conditions within me and ma that had led them to leave in the 1st place again during 2016 there was a forced migration when me and muslim illiterate i used an excuse which was that there had been a dead bin unrest in the region and 90000 ringgit were forced into bangladesh and
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then as we know during 2017 the largest forced migration ina asia since the end of the 2nd world war 700000 drinking forced into bangladesh and made credible accusations from international bodies as we see now including the united nations that acts of genocide were committed i mean atrocities against civilians and most certainly crimes against humanity john quickly we only have a couple of minutes left someone ask you to please keep your answers short as you can but you touched upon something that i want to follow up with you about and that's mainly the issue of mobile internet partial shutdowns in bangladesh and i've been speaking to a lot of working the refugees the past week obviously they can't communicate as often as they could in the past and they're really worried about what this means i've seen you tweeting a lot about how symbolic the mobile phone is for because this is a way that they were able to document in the past the atrocities that were committed against them could you speak a bit about this issue and how important it is for the ring and just how scared
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they are right now. i mean mobile phones inside rakhine state for many years and even still to today are highly restricted range a call with a smart phone or call with international numbers in their cell phones in rakhine state can be prosecuted they can be beaten they can be extorted for money so now that bangladesh is also limiting internet access and sim cards you know their engine know this process well and there who want to communicate with the out by world and not have you know that trainer the ability to access sim cards creates an environment where human right to be says can happen and go on documented. that were flame the country in shelton 17 to bangladesh documented you know the atrocities that happened against them so they've used mobile phones and internet to disseminate information to journalists human rights monitors and been able to show
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the world themselves what's happening to them are what we have run out of times we're going to have to leave it there thanks so much to all our guests anita sugar ronan leigh and john quigley and thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al-jazeera dot com and for further discussion go to our facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter our handle is at a.j. inside story for me. and the whole team here my friend.
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