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tv   Inside Story 2019 Ep 320  Al Jazeera  November 17, 2019 3:32am-4:01am +03

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inhumane and dangerous our rights groups describe conditions in a positive migrant camp bosnia struggling to cope with the influx of thousands of people fleeing born policy taking the new ball could route to europe so who should be tackling this crisis and how this is inside story. hello welcome to the program i'm adrian finnegan no running water or electricity portable toilets that are rotting flimsy leaking tents and rubbish everywhere built on an old landfill site next to a mine field migrants and refugees at the jack camp say that it's
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a nightmare conditions are appalling and are about to get even worse with the onset of the balkan winter those living in the camps blame the bosnian government for the local authorities say they simply can't handle the numbers arriving in the country 50000 in 2 years many get stuck at the border with croatia and can't continue into mainland europe tough new measures are in place to restrict them movements on is a merged as a new transit point to europe the northern balkan routes were shot following the 2015 refugee crisis rights groups are now warning of a new humanitarian crisis but migrants at the camps on the only ones fed up with the situation local authorities have demanded better support the e.u. has given bosnia more than $40000000.00 in aid but the local mayor says. that hasn't improved the situation of the camps or for those living around it. the situation is out of control and it's collated the telling us that even greater
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numbers of migrants will be pouring in next year so we had to react we can see that the managing of the migrant crisis here is not successful on all levels of power including the international organization for migration the european union and the state and hundreds of people who live nearby have called for the pleasure of the overcrowded camps they say that they feel unsafe and trapped in their own homes. one can say everything about these migrants except that they are welcome here 80 percent of them a drug addicts alcoholics they break into houses and fight. all those criminal acts that the migrants commit are proven by police investigations everything has been seen we know how they behave we want this to stop we want them out of here and move them out of this camp needs to be closed those living in the camps want more help from international organizations and say that those protesting against them lack empathy. they must have to think about the situation and
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92992 there. was war here. as well in the other countries there must have to think this is. they have to memorize that time when their people was. ok so the people need their help they have to you know think about the now situation here is not good not what they'll do much for drinking because. of 0300 people attend the food banks are not the. 800 people . and. what they're going inside the tent. let's bring in our guests for today's discussion peter van der our aren't is the west balkans coordinator at international organization for migration he joins us via skype from sarajevo from berlin jerald founding chairman at the european stability initiative
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think tank and we have. and i save it she's a journalist and human rights activists she joins us via skype also from sari of a thank you all of you for being with us peter let's start with you what's going on in boston or why are there so many refugees why are they unable to move on from bosnia and why are they not being adequately cared for. well i think 1st of all as your other point to tell to back out is that since january of last year we've had 52000 people registered to run who being. out of those currently i would say there's about $7000.00 in country and it still remains population on the move so people are still managing to cross into courageous filthier italy and own words and if you look at the numbers that means that since early last year 4344000 people managed to get to cross in to get to other parts of the e.u. where they want to go so from the migrants perspective this is an open route which is why they continue to run the most there is no one when it comes to the situation
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on the ground the challenge has been to get the political decision making to identify additional markers a condition spaces or potentially alternatives for existing spaces it would as an accountant going to dairies the capacity for about $3200.00 bits in for difference in theirs but the problem is that there are 6000 people in the county which means that we have some people saying we'll show you really very conditions of an acceptable we also have people living in abandoned buildings abandoned factories near local neighborhoods creating a lot of problems also local to mention and the problem has been debts there's been very little if i can put it in those terms national solidarity or by other counties or to state authorities would identify spaces in other counties where migrants would be accommodated so i understand the frustration of the multiple nation innocent accounts and that they feel a balance the reason why muggers are in the sun accountant is because it's the
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closest place in busier suburbia to the 1st single country where people can go to. slovenia and so i'm hopeful not a generation ago who has identified 2 new sites one sentence and everyone johnson. has not had access to those sites to look at how many people could be accommodated there in. well fast but it may be to start some solution that would only one hand you trace improve the situation of like it's an innocent count on the ones that leaving outside doing wishing. it could also use the patient in the local population here to have migrants accommodated elsewhere not just innocent johnson which is particularly important with the upcoming winter where you see that's the movements it's going to integration will slow down because people have to get through the hills which really comes know in people be stuck in mostly it's going to throw. their weight we describe the conditions in the vote joke camp a state that's an unofficial camp the i.o.m.
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runs 2 of them what are conditions like in the official camps in boston and. i remember once you notice on account of sources there are 2 centers that are mostly the largest ones focused on single males which remains the largest population in most years of over and into smaller family gams and eastender so run in accordance with international and european standards for disciples like incense or so people have access to free food the buildings are heated their jeans every day there is access to health so there are we are working there together with our partners like units yar unicef save the children rich girls who understood make sure that the full range of services is provided to the migrants the deer the centers are currently full capacity and people are constantly and this is one of the complaints that the neighbors all the more discount where we have 1500 boats have is that their skills of the migrants are not worth trying to get in because there are no rails to go with the standards centers that are dear there are also open to
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journalists to human rights organizations to come and visit us and these are running according to international standards. gerald. can a humanitarian catastrophe in bosnia be avoided what needs to happen or with the worst of of winter just weeks away no is it too late well it's never too late to improve an unacceptable situation but it is very clear that this is a crisis on 2 very different levels i mean one level is they media that emergency that has just been described so there you need to get people out of harm's way you know have some decent accommodation where people are not going to freeze to death in winter but the other level which is of course the more important one is how do you deal with the bigger crisis that we have not a balkan route but a greece germany route people arrive in greece and then make their way out of the
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european union to get back into the european union and the western balkans for them just the transit area and the idea of some of the european union to try to trap people that leave greece and he needed them from reaching. germany is bound to fail and it's bound to fail with mess if humanitarian suffering associated the idea that bosnia which already today accommodates more migrants then e.u. member states like hungary or bulgaria or croatia is going to be able to absorb a larger and larger number of people is a fantasy and so what we see now the search for accommodation the search for better better hosting of people better provision of services it's all necessary but it will fail to address the problem unless there is a strategy that reduces the number of people that arrive in greece or that leave
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from greece through the balkans to get to croatia. so jill to what extent is the e.u. responsible for finding a solution to this crisis and he says that it can only help and not make decisions for the responsible authorities in bosnia or itself when i think the e.u. is very much responsible because what we are seeing at the creation border at the moment is actually a constant violation of international law we are seeing creation of already is pushing people back even those that they are finding deep inside croatia and they say that they want to apply for asylum and they're not doing it just on behalf of creation of very few people want to stay in creation they're doing it on behalf of the other members of the european union and of course ask yourself the question how people get to bosnia in the 1st place they have to cross into the european union already in greece so for the european union which is given 2000000000 euros to
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greece to deal with migrants. to then say well we're just hoping that the authorities in a bosnian canton or in a few bosnian cantons are going to be able to deal with a crisis that the e.u. itself is currently unable to address or unwilling to address in a humanitarian way on the greek islands or in hungary or indeed on the creation border for the e.u. to then lecture the bosnians is not going to be very effective what we need is not lectures what we need is a strategy and the only strategy that could work is one that reduces the number of people coming into bosnia by for example restarting relocation of people who need protection and to get protection from greece directly to even member states as was done for one of the half years in 2017 and of course returning people who do not need protection in europe from greece to turkey so the solution to the crisis
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in bihar. cannot really be found in bosnia that sort of what do you make of what you've heard so far why has bosnia been unable to come up with a unified efficient response to this crisis or is it not its responsibility to do so. because the back nervous possibility too but there is one thing that's international media and many others keep forgetting some national or a one story can or and that is the fact that boston is until today semi trajectory where the international community including the e.u. that has the biggest influence in this country do make many decisions and can impose decision one of the stations that was imposed in bosnia is that the money that is coming from brussels to deal with the ongoing humanitarian crisis and i have to stress it's not my gums crisis if you many theory and crisis no migrants a refugee is guilty for what's happening here but all the money are distributing in
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bosnia through i.o.m. and the profit organization i also have to reflect to something mr peter said and that's about the sensors that we have here in boston it's a good enough and that are run by the i.o.m. and financed by the e.u. these centers are far away from the places where human and seasons and dignified accommodation is provided for the people who are in bosnia these places are places where many people are saying that they suffer than not they do not feel safe they suffer due to lack of health care of many other things so if that is international funded and you'll stand up and where the water about the world we are living in and about the e.u. that all these people are dreaming about so much while they're living in the dumpsters because not only will just dump them even the other centers that for me as a boston who survived the war look a lot like
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a concentration camp so all of that comes to the betty betty serious question and yes local governments do have or some stability but we'll has a much bigger responsibility in all this at the same time i have to add that most of the money that came to boston. last year and a half or more are coming for the security of the nation. so at the same time when the police. state is violating the law and district and the freedom of movement poor people and taking them forcefully so what and the same time it will with the help of i.o.i. and their pockets bearing both is giving equipment the same police for example they gave them last week 9 bents the event and use the fake people to work so is responsible also for what check and what is happening. a come back in just a moment that nets out
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a bit let's give peter an option as he attempt to comment on that the e.u. peace has given bosnia what $40000000.00 in the last year and a what what has happened to that money how's it been spent. about 75 percent of the funding that has been received bubbles or something or that has been allocated to us or to gov through partners like i already units short of it is refugee council has gone to what i would call here he carries the seasons in the bronze saves meaning access to health axes to shelter the acquisition centers everything into all the costs that go we need to do creative addition duty and heating including containers it we build the masons all these things are funded by the european union so the vast marxists of the part of the money has gone to the here to get in his bones then the remaining 20 percent has gone to these are jews who supported seduces that are managing the migration situation most years ago via
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which includes the border police service for foreigners which is responsible for recommendation in the co-managed dissenters and or in those years ago we disservice for foreigners they are also responsible to its traditional markets for sun and services for. the fates of municipalities and indeed also for us on account of the. elisa's likely just one doesn't has been a broad range of support of the vast majority of the money has gone to provide. unitary insists i do take issue with its back and forth i think that we have thought before about the description of the conditions in the centers in units jar and others and manatee and i think there's been sufficient international media reports showing the situation inside the centers do indeed show that the reality is that they are in accordance reads international centers and so he said i think the
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earlier guest also said the short term focus really needs to be we need to find solutions for no student do 1500 people that are into sharks and are on the streets or who wants an agenda because if we don't find solutions there there will be most of human lives larson explicitly if there's no question peter. how many people are being housed on in camps on private land in boston if someone making money out of this at least and if so isn't that against the conditions that the e.u. sets when it gives money to people like the i.o.m. to help cope with this problem. so last year we were in a similar situation as we are today meaning that we had lost my roots in the senate counsel that were living in deplorable unitarian circumstances so we needed to find centers quickly to house migrants before winter. we and i say
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collectively the authorities in accounts of the loco we sabella to specifically we found ourselves unfortunately there was no public lands available at that time it's not such a matter of the veil ability it's more of a matter of the political decision making around these public lands that we had to resort to renting to see that these from private owner so there are 3. centers in both years ago that are in private property say that it's summer hotel and 2 former one former factory you know which is the larson they were the protests were sent to bordeaux and the needle in that attack on ship disinter b.s. is a public building and. inside iran is also public and the us it december to the muslim brotherhood that well we need more centers but the next door to new centers needs to be in public buildings so last year we had to resort to broad properties because simply because i did that or having my gun sleeping outside in the streets at the time people were also is leaving a feeling that if their letter shut so it was the only thing that was available
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going forward to newark ations should indeed be in poverty believes there's 2 reasons for that 1st public buildings can be a longer term solution that can be lower term solution for residue like this but they can also subsequently be used for other purposes after they have been renovated and it's a moment term investment in these private properties word basement is months short of don't ok so you. don't play when you were listening to pay the talking just that it tell what you want to respond to what he was saying. i was coughing a little bit but i just came up to they see what i can but it hurts and of course i'm a little bit thick but also yeah i'm like it's pretty it's very interesting that i have many questions actually like 1st of all why the way how the money that is coming to boston you know basically it is this to get it to iowa but it's coming to boston is not spent on spot and we people in boston have to go enough we don't know
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what he's doing quiz beside one what how will they decide how much money they will spent who made the decision that private security agencies will work inside of the reception centers who all of these private security agencies inside of be a doctor or schumacher to meet all come to beat up people there is a lot of violence in these international standards you know like fencers little clear by the by the e.u. could mean to national and international fund that is to beat up people something is wrong with that i have to say at the other question why i am is not saying anything about people who died inside of the cab. among them either the 17 year old pakistani boy who died of the now lonia who died the no one at today nobody he just needed until by articulate doctor so even that is that if i can ask more questions but i'm sure that even you even get all do have a general well i will get you in just just
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a minute but but 1st let's get peter that the riser reply that how do you how do you respond to the who's who spends the money who decides so the way to work the steps. if you stayed because it's important to emphasize that it's to say to dorothy's that from a legal perspective or missiles which are accurate they should just be one of the joneses actually funny and cheap and reduce never seem to do so if i were in other international organizations that have to get it where it counts the priorities for spending and budgets in the driving seat is to reduce in both your companies for. so you be really comes to the spinning of the funding reports directly over the monthly basis to the state authorities on how exactly the money is being spent in disease or mission is readily available from the authorities so it is entirely transparent as to how the son who is being spent and indeed we are spending the money in a divorce for a lot of the authorities in both years governor because the funding which is the
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use is money that is allocated to the country the reason there have to into zones is also why this money is divided into international organizations is because most of its growth has a lot of public citizen how to spends one right when it comes to people dying in the center i think you know we can go back and forth on what type of axes to help people have an individual cases whether it's true or not that people died to the security guards to me just emphasize that last 4 years we asked initially the police to work in the different centers to provide security the police told us that they do not have the mandate to do so so together weeks the party is going to decide it's the. security guards inside those injuries who are being trained by united nations people from geneva principles and so on. but sort of the issue a rapidly running out of time here jerrold i need to give you 11 last say here if you want to comment on anything that you've heard them please do so and also this
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if it's their role here puff in providing humanitarian assistance for the u.n. and all of the should the u.n. be involved in this crisis when 2 points 1st of all this is going to be the worst humanitarian winter in the balkan since 2015 the number of people arriving in greece at the moment instead of being 3000 a month is 10000 a month in september and october and many of them will be leaving greece will be heading for the balkans so as long as more people reach the european union in greece many more people will try to get through the balkans and so we can already now prepare that what we see. you know there's going to be a lot of a big a challenge just 2 or 3 months from now which means that what the u.n. should do there will be in a few weeks time a big summit in geneva the global refugee forum one year after the refugee compact agreed in new york germany will be dead the chancellor of the turkish president will be there and these are really the 2 countries from where a lot of these migrants leave and where they want to go and it would be great if
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all the stakeholders the european union countries greece gracious germany and turkey and the west the balkan countries together sit down and develop a strategy that would reduce the number of people that leave the e.u. to cross the balkans because what i see at the moment is a lot of thinking how to trap people in the balkans you know central police make cooperation agreements turn your eyes away from what is happening at the creation border ok so what we need is a strategy or it can actually work at the source i'm afraid we're going to have to end the discussion a few is that we've only just got going we've we've just scratched the surface of this issue this is something we're going to have to return to a future programmes thank you very much indeed for being with us. our general canalis and. i'm at a save it and thank you for watching don't forget you can see this program again at any time just by going to the website at al-jazeera dot com for further discussion of the issue join us at our facebook page you'll find that at facebook dot com ford
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