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a palestinian neighbourhood in occupied east jerusalem called still one. donald trump's lawyer signed a statement back in june saying classified material a trump florida home had been returned. as according to our report by the new york times, it would be at odds with this week seizure of 11 sets of classified documents from my logo. the also selma rush has been taken off the ventilator and has regained the ability to speak one day after he was stabbed in new york. the man arrested for attacking rusty has appeared in court and pleaded not guilty to attempted murder and assault in the 2nd degree police detain 24 year old heidi matter after the attack on friday, he claimed president has warned his forces will target russian soldiers who shoot at or from is apparition nuclear power station. there have been calls for demilitarization around the facility. and thousands of supporters of pakistan's, former prime minister in ron con, have been rallying in the city of the whole con,
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address supporters as his party commemorate, 75 years of pakistan's independence. the former prime minister has been campaigning for a political come back after losing her confidence voted in parliament in april. all right, those are the headlines i'm emily. angling. the news continues here on al jazeera. after listening post talk to al jazeera, we for the rebound, you speak all his clearly coming at a high cost for airlines and the industry. what's going wrong? we listen, you were part of the army struggling in the 1970 s. if you have any regrets, you know, we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that are on al jazeera, the ah, it is hard to comprehend how something like this could happen.
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how in 1994 poured so fruit, you malicious would roam the streets and countryside of one looking for tutsis to kill. it is difficult to comprehend why they would turn on their neighbor. it's their friends. and in some cases, members of their own families, it was a killing spree that lasted 100 days and came 280-0000 lives more than a 10th of a population was lost. it is also hard to comprehend who could instigate such an atrocity. this is the story of the computer, the robot he and his radio station. i do mute, colleague o r t m, played in the london genesis. and how could i get managed to if i justice for 26 years?
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a city published by the general seed is not possible to talk about the genocide because it's talking about for to see a couple of he was the finance year of a who what do you like it it was a radio station run by genocide. i do a little all day long. it was used to insult. i'm demonized to cease to save up a well it comes with one guy up here. you a call to see for example, cockroaches, they would refer to the mis snakes they were trying to objectify them in distance rwandans from one another. what do you do is when you're the
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humanizing a group of people before the actual active, please makes it a lot easier for people who are actually sent on the foot soldiers to do the work worker over here. from the very beginning it just started with genocide the agenda few days before it even went to narr publication, called the camera on its front page advertising a term they said, now the 2 tis i finished from day one actually would expose historic divisions within the country rotunda is majority who to and minority chuncy. however, historically, the 2 groups were not divided by necessity, but by plus,
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the 2 teeth were seen as the leads the hutus as subordinates. then colonialism. first, the germans in 1884, then the belgians in 1916. both colonists implemented ethnic hierarchies with europeans at the top in the tutsis and reduce the minority churches were charged with funding. the country effectively become a colonial proxies. the majority hutus were excluded and that started as a classified bested into ethnic hatred. in 1959, the hutus took power from the tutsis in a blood. so revolution independence from colonial rule followed 3 years later, back the fear of civil return. it lingered on and over the next 3 decades they were outbreaks of ethnically motivated. find in hundreds of thousands of to see refugees into neighboring countries by 993 will kill them. was launched. phoenician could be,
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and his gen station could play on those entrenched fears and resentments of the tipsy me with a white glove all at 1st the new station needed listeners and the strategy out in and put in place at a target demographic and st. him played really good music. i think it was that way or what for to be knew in particular, that people who own the radio station wants to play with a use music to engage listeners. and then in the middle of a truck they would cut straight to the messages. okay. oh oh. when one of the gym said to be done,
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the musical instruments were so nice to the young people who, who even feel like dancing and dancing, using with a demo should to us do attacking the victims. evil, genius. how you entertain killers as, as a way of taking away the gift. this is what a r t m did need immediately ready. my name is valerie. immediately, i am 65 years old and currently imprisoned in india prison for participating in the genocide against valerie del ricky was a popular presenter and our children were with the program she openly and repeatedly called for the murder of the church,
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softened by name, and when the killings began. payment rickie help coordinate the who to malicious, known as the into the hum with by revealing the whereabouts of tutsis and any moderate who to is who were in hiding about her. she told her listeners, quote, not to kill the cockroaches with a bullet, but kept them to pieces with a machete. off to the genocide them, ricky fled to the congress but was arrested in 190909 and sentenced to life in prison. when aust, what compelled her to incite such mass murderous finance memory, keep planes on fear of her employer radio. mere colleen and the man at the top heavy sick. when we take the initiative, they put in place which was called a student led by police. yeah. they would tell us that if we didn't was, we were told they would be considered a complete set of questions to see who would be viewed as treated,
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just like that with him. so we had to see who lives with the the catalyst to the genocide occurred on april 6th 1994 wonders who to president is even happy. i'm honest. planes were shut down here . lamb was the 1st station turned out the news they played on took the rebels, but in the days leading up to the crash, listen, they say that they were being told to stay tuned for a big event. it was later established that the assassination was carried off by 2 extremists wanting to sacrifice a group to president in order to trigger the genocide. catherine bond was a freelance journalist based in nairobi at the time when use of happy amount of stiff burke. she scrambled to god and would soon experience 1st hand the insidious nature of archie limbs, bull costs. catherine bond, california kigali. we were able to get a lift on a convoy of french troops,
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going into a gully into the centre kigali to pick up a expanse heads. and at that point, radio mill, colleen had cooled, people out to greet the french troops. and so we saw people here come out out of their houses, alongside the road. when we passed back along the same spot, they were just lines of people's bodies in it transpired that radio meal clean hood cold, everybody out to greet the french. and then in doing so, people who come out of the houses who took seats in hiding and the who to militiamen had moved in and killed them. you conceive footages division footages of killers
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on roadblocks holding a machete in one hand and a radio on the other day, whenever someone picked up a machete to kill, it was often because we had guided them to where people. why did we used to get the information from soldiers, politicians, but also for the city? oh yes. we used to calling to artillio and see we just saw some cockroaches. he would then but cause that information. and he made a homely and soldiers knew exactly what to do. kazi, on sunday when i had my name read out on the ridge, you went cold cold too much too much. i thought it's over for me. we're going to kill me. in 1994 sean pearson, who used to sell music assets in the london capital to god. some of those cassettes contain songs that were popular with tootsie rebels. when out of salem, acquired one of the casino played it on there and they called saga who to our by
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name. he knew that they were putting a target on his back. so he went into hiding in a septic tank. is a few wanted them want the i entered my home with a small radio. i'd listen to l. taylor solidly for a week. they used to say japan lives in this neighborhood. you have to catch him. you have to kill him. he's been a dangerous. if you don't kill him, he's going to kill you worked through but, but was it with all day long after a wife? my buttress. run out the ronald because i stayed in my home for 2 months and 15 days summons that ceo is one of the leading experts on the rwandan genocide whose life's work has been to document the atrocities that were committed in the lead up to the genocide and the heat oh says that one of the few moderate hutus in government appeal to could be got to stop after them from inciting the mass. murder of the tutsis little run and in november
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. and then tim $93.00. the o t l m a was it was some wanted he by the then minister in submission. however, and couple got hid the delegation. a villa told that the renewal was incendiary and was in santiago the genocide douglas. the tutor this wanting approval was not respected. and instead, the minister and his family were put to them. he listed on the 7th over pro 1994 or chill m had multiple shareholders. thank suited for wondering, president juvenile hobby amana and members of his administration, and those ties to government would prove critical. a study conducted in 2014 concluded that who to militia violence increased significantly in villages without chill m reception. the further the station signal traveled, the more tutsis would be killed. ha. rather for the real world
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with him and it was no accident that villagers across the country couldn't shoot in tor, supposedly privately earned gaudy based radio station that would under normal circumstances have limited reach. i'll tell them was meant to reach the lowest administrative area in the country because apart from their own transmitters, they were being facilitated by the national read you. they had some links with randa state radia overweight o'rando, and they used it some transition signals. and some of its resources when you're talking about the genocide in the segmented inside you, after talking about it to them to do to one of the world watched as for wonder toward self or pot,
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the united nations reduced its peacekeeping force from 2500 trips to just 500 all over the world. there were people like me, us president bill clinton would like to apologized to london for america's in action, saying he was unaware of the scale of the killings who did not fully appreciate the depths and the speed with which you were being engulfed by this unimaginable terror. but he's, administration knew what was going on, washington even consider targeting off to bombing the stations antenna, or jamming a signal by flying a plane overhead. the latter option at $8500.00 per flight. our was doomed to cost us involvement in the story would come, but not when it mattered. the killings continued. it was not until the london patriotic front to see rebel force for the new gander reached regarding that would
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be targeted. the rebels had heard the bull costs, they knew that stopping the station would save lives. could you don't? we are good in order to stop us working with some april 17th. i thought that was going to be able to keep on casting or they were not successful. the antenna was not. yes, we kept walking in the wreckage. a better side of the rebels had taken more territory and were told it was time to leave. that is when our children and we cross over to the level what it call after the r p. f defeated government forces and who to militias. many of the perpetrators of the genocide, phoenician, complete among the country, part of a mass exodus of whom to refugees. 3 years later in 1997 could be g was indicted by the us international criminal tribunal for one that's on 2 counts of crimes against
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humanity and 5 counts of genocide, including the direct and public and and to commit genocide by that stage can big was on the run, his whereabouts and know me. peer richard prosper served as a prosecutor for the united nations international criminal tribunal for wonder. from 1996 to 998. he prosecuted the 1st ever case of genocide under the u. s. 948 genocide compulsion against a one man named john paul, a used to life in prison for crimes against humanity. not only did he failed to protect, people need to active steps in participated and commit genocide. my role was particularly the 1st case was to investigate the entire genocide. so while my case focused on a particular administrator,
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a political leader and were able to prosecute him in order to proceed, we had to show how the whole thing evolved. and by doing that investigation were able to really learn a role for leasing that the international community and the us in particular had been reluctant to, to view in one day seeing what was happening there as an unfixable tribal council. however, that would all change in march 19 that 95 years often the genocide ah, a group of western tourists sent safari in labouring uganda were attacked by exult, you to militiamen 8 were killed, including 2 americans. reporting at the time described it as an act of revenge against the us for its proceed support of the tutsis we washington at once. been happy to take a back seat in the hunt for could boot. it will now take an active role that may
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not be easy, it may take some time, but it will have the highest priority of the united states. so now once, when we move into roughly around 20012002, i am now the u. s. ambassador at large, responsible for war crimes issue school. we launched a, an aggressive campaign to go after these indicted persons that were at large. the key person for the rwanda context was kabuki. we put him on a poster and held a press conference where we broadcasted throughout the region that we're offering up to $5000000.00 for any information that would lead to the rest and capture of phyllis. she included, we put this information on tv. we put this information on radio with put this information in newspapers and circulated to fight the king and government. that press conference took place in kenya with the authorities were concentrating their search efforts to big his name had shown upon company registers that publicly the
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more government was saying little right things, the canal story to those bad. not if what, whatsoever, if that person is in kenya in getting him up with hid it under delta. privately, it was a different story for lucian cabbages. prisons and kenya was an open secret. that members of the more government soon determined to keep the search continued. and it would soon came the life of a kenyan journalist from a dinner letter just from what atheist shook. my name is just it. maria shook a laptop. i am the elder brother of william no. here. it has now been 17 years is his death and was still waiting for justice to jeff battiata. william turned out to be a person that came forward based on our, our campaign. and he came forward with information saying that he knew where ferris
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anchor burger was in kenya, and particularly nairobi, william one who had was a journalist to what for a local newspaper here. and aside from the journalism i came to learn, he was old. so sort of like a political fix, awful. a couple of people in the civil service wanted an article written, you know, positively, they would go to him and he developed a friendship with very, very senior members of the moisture as you, when we 1st met with him. of course we viewed fest with suspicion as normally we would because you know, we thought maybe some was just trying to give $5000000.00. but as we began to discuss with him further, we started to understand that he had personally seen kabuki. he had seen caputo because of his relationship with the aid king and government official who was responsible for the as security services for kenya. what people need to remember as
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well is that the more you did, she was very, very friendly to the avi every monday. and therefore that kind of friendship would carry over to the accommodation over people who are within that one. these elite that so felice him couple got also came here as we move into late 2002, we had william who gave us credible information that we confirmed through polygraph test. we also approached the can a government official and gave him a paragraph which he felt. so now we felt that we had enough to move forward and set up an operation to capture. the plan was simple. william a new hair were to learn to be good to his house, just outside of la roby. the nathan americans know that he was fed and usa agents would move in and make the arrest. the operation got the green light and so began the waiting. ah, as the hours passed, the days passed. so ultimately,
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our security official decided that you are, you know, maybe you better go and try to track down william to find out what, what went wrong. and once you arrive dec williams house, it was long. he looked through the bedroom window upstairs and was able to see william dead on his bed in a pool of blood. the 1st session by the police was that he died out of carbon monoxide poisoning. but his brother, as well as a number of other entities, accessed his order and saw the state of the home rank or it could, we open the door and we were shocked. there was a rug on the floor that looked like it had blood on it. and there was also blood around it. then we went upstairs and the bed was covered in blood all over the floor. there was no mattress on the bed. i no blankets. it seemed as if someone had been trying to clean up. and the was never able to get an autopsy done,
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but it became very clear that he had been killed thorpe calling for an investigation at the time. nothing happened. one, looking at the operation, what we, we can see what went wrong is that there was there, the information was betrayed. in other words, that we believe that someone within the kenyans security services was aware of our operation and tipped off cabal guide to not only not be there, but also tift off. google that william was a source of information that this was attract. the same year could be got you to the americans, his former associates at out of tell him ferdinand, now he, monna and john boscoe, but a yak. weezer was sentenced to life in prison in what came to be known as the wonders hate media trial. they too, were charged with incitement to commit genocide, but by that stage could biggest trail had once again called cold. and for the most
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part it would stay cold for the next 17. yes. or one of the most wanted us back that marijuana genocide has been arrested in france for this young couple years ago. the man accused of bank rolling and organizing much of it i genocide, which google is accused of bunk trolling and using his rate as tis unto broadcast the calls for madam felicia could bigger was find the arrested in this apartment block in the outskirts of pars 6000 miles from a french court has ruled that his next stop will be a russia, tanzania, and the u. n. international criminal tribunal for wanda. one of the lessons learned from the gerberg and case ha, outside of the the substance of what happened in 1994. and his role
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is the willingness of people to ignore in humanity for financial gain. and what i mean by that is the only way kabuki could have remained at large for all these years is through a network of support. and that network of support was only viable based on in my view on corruption. we need to remember that the genocide happened to people. it happened to families, it decimated societies. and it is also say it is that we must return to when we are in quoting about a trial of a person like felice him, couple guy. because a trial in and of itself will have no context or no, no meaning if it is not tied to the very impact of the kinds that he's accused over and who the affected from behind these was felony, fema ricky has returned to pull caustic. she now runs the prisoners radio service,
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providing her fellow inmates with the daily news. during the genocide demo, ricky says that she didn't fire a single bullet or pick up a machete, but she has been sentenced to spend the rest of her life yet because of how she weaponized the air waves. in a genocide where the killers room, the streets with a radio in one hand and a machete in the other. he chose a cat nicholas a. i regret the crime that i committed, that i am would be lies to people to go out and kill tutsis. but i didn't take that decision, and if i could speak to couple guy to do that, i would tell him that what he did to us was very bad. what he otis was not true and that he created that tradestation with a he didn't agenda. the said that reduces strong weapon, the strongest upon one was artillio and the owner of that station has been hiding for 26 years. it is something that has caused me great pain, but now i'm happy about it. i did get us to reach out.
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