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fifisflfif system, potentially dealing with leaves of applications will stop a huge challenge. —— after racks that. —— brexit. the eu's brexit negotiator has already called for more ambition, clarity and guarantees from the uk. that's it from me tonight. now it's time for newsnight. tonight, we reveal how the organisations who we trust to maintain standards in the construction industry have been making them weaker. the reason why so making them weaker. the reason why so many high—rises have failed to pass safety checks if they have been writing wills for themselves. is that a threat? is that a threat? richard watson has been following
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the activities of a notorious muslim group for the last 16 years. in the light of london bridge, has the state failed to realise how widespread the influence of such groups has been? i think the figure of 23,000, which has recently been released by m15 as the number of people they are concerned about being involved injihadist activity, is probably the tip of the iceberg. and on harry potter's 20th birthday, we talked to the original publishers who replaced joanne rowling withjk rowling. when she was revealed as a woman, all of the fan mail had been addressed to dear sir. good evening.
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the government has confirmed that samples of aluminium from all buildings that have been sent for fire redundancy can sting have so far failed. fire redundancy can sting have so farfailed. —— fire redundancy can sting have so far failed. —— testing. fire redundancy can sting have so farfailed. —— testing. they can reveal how the organisation tasked with enforcing building regulations are infact with enforcing building regulations are in fact helping contractors to get around the rules. revelations point to a systemic failure of the very structures put in place to try and keep our buildings safe. chris cook is here to talk to us now. talk us through what you've found. so the big thing to understand here is that the government has written a big set of regulations that cover tall buildings. they've set out one very simple rule really with cladding. specifically, they said that basically everything you bolt to the outside of a building has to meet basic fire safety tests. they have to be of grade a 2,
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what a 2 means it has to be either limited combustibility or better, not combustible at all. what we found is that the building industry has been writing guidelines to assist builders as they interpret the rules. the guidelines don't say these are the minimum standards. they often effectively allow you to go beneath the standards. for example, we've revealed tonight in a film you're about to see, a problem, a vulnerability in the regulation arising from the fact that one of the major bodies that enforces building regulations has written a rule set that says — we know the government says a 2 is the standard of material you're usually required to put on a tall building, but you know what, if you use b category cladding and b category insulation, that is to say stuff that is less fire proof than the minimum standard allowed by the government, that's going to be fine. we'll sign that off. that's quite troubling. actually, it points
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to a larger problem. it helps explain why so many of these buildings are now failing fire tests. i've made a film that explains some of these issues more fully. cladding is starting to come off building across england, because it's not to code. in islington, the external panels of this council owned property are coming down already, because they were deemed insufficiently fire proof by an official government test. and they're hardly alone. i can inform the house that as of mid—day today, the cladding from 75 high rise buildings in 26 local authority areas has failed the combustibility test. the government's official building regulations are set out in approved document b. that says that insulalation products attached to the outside of buildings more than 18 metres tall must meet stringent fire standards, specifically they must be of materials that
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are non—combustible or limited combustibility. that is what these tests are all about. how, then, can it be that buildings have been fitted with cladding that doesn't meet that requirement? building inspectors don't always rely directly on the rules set by the government. the inspectors, who these days are largely privately employed, use guidelines to the rules written by professional bodies representing the sector. it's been some time since the relevant regulations were updated and the industry has to keep up with changing technology, changing customer demands. it has to turn to its specialists to consultants for advice on these issues because it can't depend on the regulations alone. if the system as a whole performs well, it's signed off.
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even if individual parts would fail on their own. so some of the cladding failing tests right now may have been rigorously tested as part of a system. there are, though, rather less rigorous routes. that's guidance from the building control alliance, the bca, a body representing the great and good of building. builders can use data from old tests to get combustible signed off in new scenarios without doing further fire tests. this opaque process is a vulnerability in the compliance process. newsnight has found another weakness in the regulation. this is a piece of guidance from the nhbc, a sector body and a major supplier of building inspectors.
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what it says is that rather than everything needing to be a 2, you can use b grade cladding and b grade insulation material without even needing a desk top study. that is because, they say, there have been so many desk top studies and so many fire tests. in essence, they've decided that the government's rules are too strict. nhbc said this guidance was issued... they also stressed that thorough assessments by inspectors haven't allowed the use of plastic cord cladding, such as used at grenfell, under this guidance. earlier tonight, we learned that one of the insulation products with b grade cladding is actually c grade insulation. that guidance takes us a long way from a 2. does it much matter legally that builders follow sector guidelines not government rules? well, yes. in the event of a civil case,
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the sector guidelines would matter. yes, it does, because breach of the regulations would be very strong evidence in a civil claim against a builder. however, in the absence of up to date regulations, in the absence of clarity, then general guidance, compliance with general guidance could be a defence. so the building codes are a mess. and the government is slow to update its regulations. but had contractors just stuck with them, they would now be pulling less cladding off high rises. chris cook reporting. david lammy is the labour mp for tottenham. he lost a friend, the artist khadija, in the fire at grenfell. he claimed at the weekend that the published estimate of 79 deaths in the fire is "far, far too low", and that a failure to provide updates of the true number that died is feeding suspicion of a cover up among survivors and local residents. i asked him earlier if he himself believed the authorities
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were witholding information. the 79 figure, which has now stood for a week, does not accord with those who lived down there and say but the survivors... there's a gap. they know there's a gap. in one flat alone, people say there were up to a0 people gathering because they gathered in the flat. it was ramadan. there are lists you can use, dwp lists for those on benefits. there is a local school. for the local authority, you can assess how many kids have showed up for school or not showed up for school. you can use mobile phones. you can speak to the mobile phone company. they will assist. i saw this during the riots. who's been on their phone at 12 o'clock before the fire started? there are ways in which you can assemble lists of people and numbers. are you suspicious of a cover—up? when you have tragedies of this kind that could have been prevented... we know from hillsborough and other
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affairs in our national life, that governments, local authorities, big corporations, companies, contractors, they cover their backs. that's why i raised issues around the documentation. have the police seized documents yet? in this case, we know nothing about whether that's happened. and it doesn't really matter what i think. it matters what people on the ground think. it does matter what you think, because you are a well—known local mp. for example, you have tweeted that dozens of people, residents, saw dozens of people jump from windows and nobody has talked about more than ten. nobody has found more than that outside. who do you think is lying? emily, iam being honest about what people have said to me. let's validate those people. journalists take cameras down. they too have spoken to people. this is what they say.
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i was not standing outside of grenfell tower, watching my neighbours jump and burn to death, but i've heard those people, and we should validate what they are saying. they're not making it up. if you're saying i should say nothing, i'm afraid i disagree with you. i'm just trying to get to the bottom of whether you actually think it's a cover—up and, if so, why would authorities be covering this up? what people say is if you put the numbers out early, there could be civil unrest, that's what they say. i've no idea. you'd have to ask the police chief. ask cressida dick. i'm just saying, by repeating it and by tweeting it, you are giving people a sense that that is where you stand — that is what you believe. ! “fig? hqe‘ ”i'éfi
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ask nick padgett brown. do you think the police or fire and emergency services are covering up the number of people thatjumped out of that tower on that night? i wasn't there. people on the ground say they saw more than has been suggested. and do you think the number of dead is not being revealed because you worry it will lead to civil unrest? the truth is, the media cycle is now beginning to move on to other things. that is the truth. what people say is, in two, three weeks' time, if you start to reveal the numbers, things have moved on. you could turn round and say, i understand how painful this is, i really do. but i also see it's complicated. you know better than i do that some of the homes were sublet. some people have not been as happy to come forward, even if they have survived, even if they know people survived, because they may not have a legal status either in the building or in the country. this is the sixth richest economy in the world. if we have not assembled the list of the landlords in the building, then what the hell are we capable of doing? ask local hospitals,
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gps, who also have their list. that's what the government is trying to do. i've not heard that communication from government. if you have, thanks for enlightening me, but i haven't heard it. so, is it that you just need to hear them saying we're doing this now? presumably that is the work that's going people need to hear it. david lammy, thank you. two were put country one”, . the two were put country 11 ngggg " ' . the two were put country q elsi and ithei be able to settle europeansrwill be abletaesettle- brexit, eurgpebnerwill be ableteesettle- brexit, you, an act of after brexit, you, an act of preservation for the government. theresa may signed deal, £100 million each for the dup votes needed for the government to secure its position. they are hoping it will give them a lifeline and the chance to get the work of the parliament through. but there has
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been some deep unease around many of the uk's nations and regions, some leaders have called it robbie. talk us leaders have called it robbie. talk us through this criticism —— grubby. our political editor, nick watt, is here. what's the criticism? the criticism really revolves around two key points. the deal has the potential to destabilise the northern ireland peace process. the point you are saying, it runs counter to the settlement dating back to the 1970s, known as the barnett formula, designed to ensure fair funding in the four parts of the uk. there have been complaints from scotland and wales. on the funding, the uk government is saying the same called barnett consequence. the process ensuring the fair funding, that is triggered when extra spending is committed in england. it doesn't happen in reverse. they also say there has always been special funding in exceptional circumstances with parts of the uk. they are saying this process has funded city deals in scotland and is now being used to build up infrastructure and the nhs
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in northern ireland, which obviously the spending fell behind during the troubles that sinn fein will be looking very carefully to make sure there is nothing going forward that favours the dup in dealing with the legacy of those troubles. we also got clarification on the eu citizens still stop some of the details came through. theresa may outlined what she called a tremendous offer to the eu citizens living in the uk, in the hope of guaranteeing the 1 million uk citizens living in the rest of the eu. —— generous offer. we learned those 3 million eu citizens living here will be eligible for settled status which will allow them to enjoys similar rights to which they have now. if they have been in the country for five years and an unspecified cut—off point where they can apply for that status. not been here for five years they can go on a path to get that status.
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that will mean having a formal identity card. ironic for david davis campaigned against those the year ago. these will be virtual id cards with that data stored in a home office computer. the eu chief to go shader is not happy for them he says it does not go far enough. he says projection and oversight by the european court ofjustice. that is a step too far for the uk. trying to work out what the settled status meant. housing minister and fire services minister. i began by asking what "settled status" would mean. settled status will be lifelong.
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we are going to bring forward an outline of what the process will be next year. it will be very light touch, probably using digital technology as much as we can. we want to have a very simple system for people. not being caught up in terms of documents was make it very light touch. is that you ruling out an id card system? it is me ruling out an 85 page document. we wanted to be easy, simple and light touch. in paris, will she be able to join her parents? how much will this extend to family members outside of the uk?
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status and they would have that for life. if they have not been here five years they will have an opportunity to stay here for five years to get it. after that they would broadly have the same rights as a uk citizen. is that the aim, the objective? we wa nt we want a level of sustainable net migration. we're going to be talking to sectors, from business, agriculture and universities, which i will be doing as was my colleagues across government. we wa nt we want a system that welcomes the brightest and the best. we want people here to stay here. that is what the prime minister was outlining today, to contribute to our society and economy.
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we have heard government after government tried to hit tens of thousands. are you still aiming to get the number under tens of thousands or has that gone? what we have said is we want sustainable a level. that is what we want to work towards. we want to get it down to sustainable levels, which we do believe it is tens of thousands. we cannot put a timescale on it because we have not yet left the european union. in the meantime, work with universities and business sectors across the country and across government has a system that works for everyone. you were of course the housing minister and the fire minister as well. as we reflect on lessons to be learned from the grenfell tower fire, you said building developers should not be forced to fit sprinklers. your department declined to bring in regulation forcing them to fit sprinklers.
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that is not correct. i was not the housing minister at the time of that speech and i am not an expert on building regulations. elsewé beeb be beef i webseett'rnirrgthe imbbm i was saying there are a whole range of fire safety measures, our whole range of fire sprinkler systems. it is not for the government to choose a specific system. whether it is a social housing owner in a high risk building or a high—rise or a low density buildings to look at what is appropriate. they have the duty of care to people in the building. did you not say the cost of fitting a fire sprinkler system may affect house—building, so we must wait to see the impact? i was saying we want to make sure we are building more houses. new—build homes have been increasing over that period of time and have more increasing levels of fire safety. we brought in a requirement to have smoke detectors for private landlords.
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is it not conceivable that some of those decisions which came under your departments, either in fire or housing could have been taken very differently? do not have regrets about the decisions taken? any of us who have been involved in politics when the buildings were built will be looking at what went wrong what we can do to make sure this never happens again. you spoke about regulation. you said an argument from the first government to reduce regulation. you introduced the wind in, to out wool. —— one in, two out rule. your culture was about cutting red tape. that was the kind of red tape we now see could have saved lives. it is about looking at regulation across government. notjust around these issues. we will all want to learn
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lessons about what happened at grenfell tower. it should not have been allowed to happen. we must get to the bottom of it. thank you. in the wake of the recent terror attacks in manchester and london, m15 let it be known that 23,000 people living in the uk have potential links to violent extremism. now newsnight has learned this may just be the tip of the iceberg. the former chair of the cobra intelligence group, which advises the government on intelligence matters, has told this programme that, for years the intelligence community, and successive governments, have been "far too tolerant" in attitudes to extremist groups, in particular the islamist al—muhajiroun network. newsnight‘s richard watson has been following al muhajiroun for 16 years and in this extended film reveals how the group became a crucible of home grown terror, from the 7/7 london bombings, to the recent london bridge attacks. his report contains some strong language. three islamist terror attacks in three months. five murdered at westminster bridge, 22 dead at the manchester arena, eight in london bridge.
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the security service m15 has revealed there were 3000 people with current connections to violent, islamist extremism, and another 20,000 with recent links. 23,000, it's worth pausing a second to think about that figure. that's the population of a small market town. 23,000 potentialjihadists in our midst, willing to kill in the name of islam. so, how did we get here? break the psychology of the occupiers by hitting back in their own homelands. much of the blame falls on this man, the founder of the now notorious group, al—muhajiroun. omar bakri muhammad created the group in 1996. for 20 years it's poisoned thousands of minds. support for al—muhajiroun
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is often a common thread for terrorist plots in the uk. from the fertiliser bomb conspiracy in 2004, the london bombings of 2005, right through to the recent terrorist attacks in london bridge. using all its own artilleries to suppress... bakri wound up al—muhajiroun in 2004, before it was banned. but the network continued under different names. in 2005, this is what one of bakri's supporters told me about the 7/7 london bombers, just after they'd murdered 52 people. they‘ re completely praiseworthy. martyr operations are commonplace. 15 every day in iraq against the british and americans. every day in afghanistan. all around the world, in palestine. it's not something that's unusual. what's shocking for many is that it took place on their own doorsteps. but, hopefully, it will make many wake up and smell the coffee. colonel richard kemp has spent his career fighting terrorism.
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he chaired the government's cobra intelligence group, responsible for briefing government on secret intelligence. he has a very good insight into official thinking about al—muhajiroun at the highest level and says the group was ignored. it was a major failure and we've seen the consequences. we've seen lee rigby, who was chopped to pieces by a follower of al—muhajiroun. we've seen. numereusetber murders! in different places around the world. the leader of the recent attacks at london bridge was an al—muhajiroun supporter. khuram butt was hiding in plain sight. here he is on tv last year with hisjihadi mates. so, why was this group allowed to operate so freely in the uk and do al—muhajiroun supporters still have potency today?
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i've been investigating al—muhajiroun and its supporters for 16 years, since before the 9/11 attacks. i witnessed their hatred of the west, their supremacist world view, their aggression first—hand. all these people here hate you. come on. they hate you, richard. why did anjem choudary invite us? if they saw you in a dark alleyway... that's a threat. is that a threat? it's not a threat at all. if they saw you in a dark alleyway... are you threatening me? fiilie’eiei iii; e315 been expelled from the uk. choudary was convicted of terrorism offences last year. in 2007, we tried to interview this man... mohammed khan, known as q. he was accused in court of providing military supplies for an al—muhajiroun network in pakistan, for contacts with al-anda. he's never been charged.
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hang on, hang on. no problems. that's cool, that's cool. hey, hey, hey. steady, steady, steady. steady. in 2004, i was invited to attend an al—muhajiroun meeting in this community centre in east london. i was following a british convert to islam. they knew the cameras were rolling but even then their views on western values were very extreme. the time blair came out, bush came out at the same time. what did he say? he said, you're either with us, or you're either with them. terrorists. what did muslims say? we said we are with them. terrorists. the only other ideological belief which is around now, not a religion. this man, abu uzair, an engineering graduate from manchester was no less extreme.
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when the two planes magnificently went through those buildings, ok. and people turned round and said, hang on a second, that is barbaric. why did you have to do that? you know why? because of ignorance. you described the 9/11 attack, the plane flying into the twin towers, and you said it was magnificent. how can you justify that, whether you're a muslim, christian or a jew? for us, it's retaliation. islam is not the starter of wars. if you start the war, we will continue. the actual killing of innocent civilians, it can't be right. it can't be right, according to you. according to you it can't be right. 0k. according to islam, it's absolutely right. we understand that abu uzair has neverfaced legal action in the uk. he gave this lecture 13 years ago.
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there would be prosecutions now. new laws ban the glorification of terrorism and there have been many more successful prosecutions over the last decade. critics say, from these seeds, domestic terrorism has grown. our own action in the period before and soon after 9/11 was extremely dangerous because, the networks and the individuals involved in them, saw that we were weak. they saw we were wanting to appease them and we wanted to let them continue. they exploited that. they exploited that in terms of developing and building a network which would eventually be turned against us. while britain's security establishment watched, bakri muhammad got on with the job of recruiting young, british muslims to his cause. in the late 1990s, the leader of al—muhajiroun, omar bakri muhammad, targeted muslims in the unlikely location of crawley. in amongst the well—kept houses and green, leafy streets, he found a ready audience
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for his narrative of extremism. the idea that the west was at war with islam. omar bakri's extremist network was so poorly understood and unchallenged, that he even managed to get himself invited to talk about islam to six formers at one of crawley‘s biggest state schools. at the time, our involvement with him was simply to promote religious tolerance and understanding, and inclusivity. and so we invited him into the school on those grounds. and i will put my hand up now and say that was an utterly naive thing to do. at the time, i didn't understand what he represented. meanwhile, critics say the security establishment dismissed bakri as a fool. there was an element of complacency among those people who were monitoring their activities. that, essentially, i certainly heard
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words used like blowhard and windbag in relation to some of these prominent members of the networks. and i think they felt, basically, in some cases, anyway, that we are looking at people who talk a big war, don't actually fight it, and don't pose a really big threat to the uk. the former head of counterterrorism at the metropolitan police, peter clark, told me he'd never heard the term, blowhard used, and said the threat was taken very seriously when plots were uncovered against the uk in 2004. the 7/7 london bombings in 2005 they were devastating proof that british jihadis were targeting the uk. the leader, mohammad sidique khan, had links to the al—muhajiroun network. fast forward to 2017 and the london bridge attacks. the lead attacker, khuram butt, was a committed supporter of al—muhajiroun. he trained in a fitness centre
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in ilford, east london. cctv images recorded khuram butt and two others meeting outside the gym five days before the attack. ok, we're about to go into the gymnasium here. we're just going to get in now. newsnight was given exclusive television access to the gym after the police had raided. i'm inside the actual gym, where the leader of london bridge attackers khuram butt trained. he was a long—term supporter of the extremist group al—muhajiroun. we've also linked very firmly this gym to another man called sajeel shahid, who's been a leader of al—muhajiroun in the past. he's linked to two of the uk's most notorious terrorists, omar khayyam, the leader of the fertiliser bomb plot and mohammed sadique khan; the leader of the london
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bombings on 7/7. from what we saw, the fitness centre looked like a ramshackle operation. attendance was recorded by hand in this exercise book. the man who appeared to be in charge was known as abu ibrahim and that's a pseudonym for sajeel shahid. we found out that sajeel shahid's name appears on the planning documents from 2011. sajeel shahid used to be a key leader in al—muhajiroun in the early 2000s. he was one of bakri muhammad's most trusted men. to understand his role, we have to go right back to the late 1990s, when bakri launched a branch of al—muhajiroun in pakistan. al—muhajiroun in pakistan became a clearing house for britishjihadis. for bakri, pakistan was to be the crucible for the islamic revolution. in september 2001, just after 9/11, an american called
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mohammed junaid baber joined them. i'm willing to kill the american soldiers, if they enter into afghanistan with their ground troops, i'm willing to kill the americans and if the americans use pakistan soil as its bases, we will kill them here in pakistan too. three years later, junaid baber became a jihadi super grass, testifying against his old friends. this is the confidential transcript of the fbi's interview with mohammed junaid baber. on page two, it says that sajeel shahid was the leader of al—muhajiroun in pakistan. much later, a britishjihadi source told me more than 200 recruits from britain flowed through this network. on page 72 of the same document, it says that sajeel shahid probably coordinated explosives training for recruits in pakistan. in early 2003, the jihadi supergrass said that he and sajeel shahid travelled to pakistan's north—west
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frontier looking for a place to train recruits with guns and explosives. they found an ideal camp near the town of malakand. mohammad sidique khan the future leader of the london bombers trained there. so did omar khayyam, the future leader of the fertiliser bomb plot. several years later, i traced sajeel shahid to an islamic exhibition in london, where he had a stall. i wanted to ask him about the training camp and al—muhajiroun in pakistan. are you sajeel shahid? richard watson from bbc newsnight here. we've been trying to contact you to ask questions. the question we want to ask you really, were you involved in helping terrorists in pakistan? no, i wasn't. what were you doing in pakistan? just studying. you're a leader of al—muhajiroun, weren't you? i wasn't.
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you were, it's clearly on your website? i wasn't. were you helping terrorist suspects in pakistan? i wasn't. were you leading al—muhajiroun in pakistan? we're told you were leading al—muhajiroun in pakistan, mrshahid. so al—muhajiroun and its successor groups prospered in the uk right up to the london bombings in 2005. where does that leave us? well, islamist extremist networks are very well established and it's been made far worse by support for the so—called islamic state. has the failure to grasp the nettle early enough left the uk with an intractable problem? i think the figure of 23,000, which has recently been released by m15, as being people they're concerned about being involved in some way in jihadist activity is probably the tip of the iceberg. many of the idealogical extremists featured in this film were later involved in terrorists plots. others like sajeel shahid have never been charged with any offence. there's no suggestion that he had
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a hand in directing the attack — but in an ideological sense, it does connect the present threat with the old extremist network of al—muhajiroun. and this network, tolerated for so many years, is part of the story behind the unprecedented islamist terror threat we face today. richard watson there on the ideology behind the london bridge bombers. once upon a time, there was a little boy who lived in a cupboard under the stairs in a book no—one had seen. his author once commented that, had it not been for her publisher, barry cunningham, he would have stayed in that cupboard forever. that author was jk rowling, that boy was harry potter, and this evening, i spoke to mr cunningham and rosamund de la hey, who were both instrumental in getting it into print, 20 years ago today. you're a wizard, harry. i'm a what? a wizard, and a thumping good one i wager, once you've trained up a little. no, you've made a mistake, i mean, i can't be a wizard. imean, i'mjust...
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harry. you have to consult the inner child. we have very good inner children. we consult the children we were to make our decisions. you had a special way of wanting to get everyone to read it? well, yes. someone told me that you have to get editors' attention, because they're deluged by endless material before an editorial meeting. i wanted to make it different. we wrapped it up in a tube and stuffed it with smarties and made it look like an academic scroll so it would spill on the desk and they'd have to pay attention and hopefully read a bit at least. isn't it funny now to think, it was famously turned down. what do you think other publishers didn't get? what was scary about it? well, it's interesting because when i got it,
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i didn't know that everybody else in the universe had turned it down. with the boarding school setting, just everything made it feel like it was perhaps too 19505 to the current goosebumps and babysitters club trend now. what you look for in an author is someone who cares and is obsessed with everything to do with their creation, just like their readers will be hopefully. she was totally obsessed with harry and his world. we took the big risk alongside her with having harry grow up with every book. i had a meeting with her and famously said that, you know, all the stories about her of course are true, she was a single mum. i said that she needed to get a day job because she wouldn't make any money out of children's books. is it true she was encouraged to keep the initials so that it didn't put off boy readers? we have a revelation between us tonight, because people always said it was my fault. i cannot remember ever advising her. tonight, we were talking, and roz has a big admission.
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really, initially, the very first cover was proofed saying joanne, at the time jacqueline wilson, still is, riding high. she was probably the biggest name in kids' books at the time. her name being jacqueline felt too close tojoanne and made me think her market is a female readership, a young girl readership. i would only say it's quite interesting, the proof, i have to say, i think, is in the pudding, in the sense that for the six months, until she was interviewed on blue peter, in november, i think it was that year, when she won the smarties prize, she was revealed as a woman. all the fan mail had been addressed to "dear, sir." i opened it, it definitely was. do you ever wonder what would have happened if you had missed, if you had passed it on? do you have the middle of the night, thank god we got it? jo said if i turned it down, i was almost
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the last stop for harry. what a thought! maybe it would maybe never have happened. all those parents, grandparents, adults and all the generations, you know, wouldn't have enjoyed the phenomenon that is harry potter. well, if you're sure... better be... griffyndor! that's all for tonight, evan is back tomorrow. from all of us, very good night. hello there. it's fair to sayjune has been a funny old month. it started off not very promising and it may end the same way. in between, we did have some warmth. last week, 35 degrees, the hottest june day some warmth. last week, 35 degrees, the hottestjune day for 41
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some warmth. last week, 35 degrees, the hottest june day for 41 years. today, we have hit 25 degrees already. that is the peak of the temperatures this week. i hope you make the most of today's sunshine, the rain could be heavy enough to give some local flooding. it will be cooler as well, especially across the northern part of the uk. seeing some rain, it has wet for a while across northern ireland. moving across northern ireland. moving across the isle of man and into south—west scotland as well. to the south, largely dry overnight. a few showers, but the wet weather clipping the north and west of wales. northern england overnight, this rain could be quite heavy. a mild night in the south, dry and humid. temperatures 15— 16 degrees. tuesday morning, rain across most of scotland, particularly across the mainland. across northern ireland, rains in clearing away. things coming downjust for a rains in clearing away. things coming down just for a while. rains in clearing away. things coming downjust for a while. a
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muddy field in the morning. a wet start for northern england, rain across the north and west of wales. a few showers further south and in the south—east. possibly a flash of lightning across the english channel. giving the day, weather across scotland, northern england and wales will be wet, slightly more patchy and some thundery showers developing in northern ireland. some sharp downpours across england and wales, especially in the south—east. the highest temperatures there, but not quite as warm as today. chilly for eastern scotland and england. very unsettled weather through the evening and overnight. this weather front is moving up from the near continent. we will see the rain becoming much more expensive across england and wales. very wet weather could bring some local flooding. rain pushing north into southern scotland, northern ireland and england. if it does brighten up, we could see some showers across the south—east of the uk. wet weather
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further north. starting to push into england and wales. at the same time, you can see the ice above coming down from the north. it looks like, at least for a while, it could be quite a while, some may be leaving our shores. we have perhaps got some much—needed rain on the way —— summer may much—needed rain on the way —— summer may be leaving our shores. this is newsday on the bbc. our top stories. a very warm welcome at the white house as president trump meets the indian prime minister virendra modi for the first time. the relationship has never been stronger, never been better. a boost for trump's travel ban as the court rules parts of it
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