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the party's national executive committee backed a vote of no confidence in him last month, after his former girlfriend had sent a series of racist messages. shaking has been reported across southern wales, the south—west of england and the midlands, caused by a four point four magnitude earthquake. there have been no reports of injuries or any serious damage. now on bbc news, dateline london. hello, and a very warm welcome to dateline london. i'm carrie gracie. this week we discuss a british plea on european security, south africa after president zuma, and the continuing absence of a government for northern ireland. my guests this week are the guardian
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columnist polly toynbee, dr vincent magombe of africa international, the irish writer and broadcaster brian o'connell, and thomas kielinger of germany's die welt. welcome to you all and thanks so much for being here. the british prime minister, theresa may, has urged the european union to sign up to a security treaty to ensure that cooperation continues after britain leaves. addressing the munich security conference, she warned that if the eu's aim in the brexit talks was to avoid cooperation then the security of all would be damaged. if the eu's aim is to avoid cooperation, thomas kielinger, as a european, as a german, what do you make of that language? i have long given up to try to figure out what goes on in the mind of our leaders and this phrase is totally puzzling. she seems to hold hostage the british security involvement in europe to the outcome of the brexit talks, and she is in no way to speak that language. she must work for flexibility,
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cooperation and so on. any intimation of trying to demand something else is totally misplaced. she is on a sticky wicket, as we know, and there is no consensus. we are still waiting, as angela merkel said yesterday, for what the british people really want, the british government rather. she is not frustrated but curious. all else should be on the huge overriding issue, will we get a mutually agreeable agreement on the brexit conditions? until that is sorted out there is no way for her to threaten british cooperation with europe. besides, the whole speech about security is beside the point. so it's a distraction? absolutely a distraction. and cart before the horse. very much so. the defence and military issues are her best card because britain is deeply involved
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in the defence of europe and that is uncontroversial. we need some other answers. when she is talking about issues at the moment do not beleague our mind of what needs to be done. let's open it out. polly toynbee, obviously the message that uk is a big contributor to defence in europe and has expertise on counterterror. i suppose theresa may is trying to play to her strengths. security should be what is easiest. even the most extreme brexiters want to have a very strong security interpol relationship with the rest of europe. no doubt about that. but even there she threw a spanner into the works and accuse of them of being ideological. they are so pragmatic compared with us, the whole brexit conundrum is about british ideology. to accuse, particularly in the context of security, to accuse angela merkel
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and the europeans of this is an absurdity and it bodes very ill. to be fair to her, she only said if ideological... she did not say they were ideological. well, if. the question is, has she in this speech said, which she may have done, that she is willing to accept the european court ofjustice as an arbitrator on a treaty over security? that's a step forward. it crosses over one of her red lines if she does not accept that, it will not happen then. she must accept with any treaty on any issue whatever that there is always an international adjudicator on any trade deal wherever in the world. in europe it happens to be the ec]. she must swallow this. and, brian o'connell, as another european looking in on this, do you think the european arrest warrant and euro poll and all that can be taken for granted,
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low hanging fruit? we should be able to take it for granted and people's security is paramount above trade and everything else, but the tone of the remarks probably betrays the level to which this relationship between britain and the eu counterparts in this negotiation have reached, they're really, really poor. as polly said, you must have an independent arbitrator and it will probably be the ec] and if it crosses one of her red lines i think she will have to suck it up in the end because she'll have no choice. you cannot go into brexit without some form of deal on extradition, basic things like that, on cyber and all kinds of other stuff. intelligence agencies will talk to each other anyway whether or not there is a deal. i think the tone is very illustrative of where things are at the moment. i want to hear from vincent because, obviously, your specialism is a different continent, a complex
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patchwork, security, economics, politics, as an outsider looking at this, what do you make of it? i'm an outsider but i live in a european country today, so it bothers me what happens. i think we should not be surprised and we will hear a lot of this. what is happening is mind games. i pity theresa may because she is like a tool that is being used by both sides. one day she says something to appease the remainers and another day to appease the brexiters. not much to appease the remainers, mostly people who voted brexit are appeased. sometimes that is the problem... the lack of compromise. for the country getting out of europe, they need to life to birmingham. news of henry
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bolton. let us listen in. glamorous people that sat behind me. they have had, which is not uncommon, any number of unpleasant and aggression calls. someone had the misfortune of opening an envelope that had used toilet paper in. indeed. these people work incredibly hard and have over the last four years to sacrifice a huge amount to our party. they have behaved impeccably today. it has been an absolute honour and a privilege to work with every single one of them. can you show your appreciation for their efforts today? applause second thanks is to you. today is reg retta ble second thanks is to you. today is regrettable in many ways. as i said at the outset, the fact that i'm
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being told by the little experts by ukip is finish and that nobody really cares any more, no one knows what its purposes, 1500 people cared enough and believed in it enough to travel all the way to birmingham and spend the afternoon here today. actually, i just want to make a couple of points. in one of the speeches earlier, reference was made toa speeches earlier, reference was made to a legal case that you may have heard of last week, an amount was given. we do not know how much we don't have to pay labour mps as a result of the case. one thing i know is that there is not a single man or women in this thread who are going to let labour bully ukip off the pitch, regardless of the outcome today. and with that mentality in mind, somebody came up to me earlier and gave me a 10 euros note. the
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results. we've had a number of challenges in my time as chairman, faced a number of challenges. we've had them all today. the one thing that has been maintained is the willingness of our membership to stick with it and keep the faith. there is a decision that has been made democratically by the people in this room, as required by the constitution. i would ask you all whatever the outcome and your views, keep the faith with the party. we matter now than we ever have. and ultimately what today has demonstrated is when we deal with things, you may be public, and may not be edifying but we deal with things ina not be edifying but we deal with things in a democratic way, with our membership making the decision, you will take this party forward regardless of what else happened and as long as you keep the faith, ukip will stay on the pitch.
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we issued our 11106 slips that made members eligible to claim the ballot paper. we have received back 1378 ballot papers. 11 of those ballot papers were spoiled ballot papers. the number of members in support of the motion of no—confidence, therefore asking but henry bolton be removed as leader is 867. that is 63% of the vote. there were 500 votes cast by those to reject the motion that is 30% ——
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37% of the vote. henry bolton has been removed by the democratic decision of the membership. applause this law, the nec will be meeting shortly in the next five minutes in the building to make a determination who in interim leader may be. leadership election will take place within 90 days at which point a new chairman will announce the next democratically elected leader of ukip. ladies and gentlemen, thank you for taking the time to travel here today. have a safe journey home. let us try and some other than the union birmingham, he is the outgoing chairman at the metro because he has said that he is stepping down and he made fleeting reference to that in those remarks that he made. the but
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the figures is out there again, in the figures is out there again, in the end, double 1003 june the figures is out there again, in the end, double 1003june 78 votes cast, 11 of them is dealt, 867 back the no—confidence motion which is basically saying to henry bolton, you are no longer the leader that we have confidence in. that represents 63% of the people voting. 500 votes effectively backing henry bolton, that was 37% of those who voted which means there is no confidence officially in henry bolton as leader. you saw paul makes reference to the fact there will be a leadership election for the next leadership election for the next leader of ukip within 90 days. before that, and interim leader will be discussed behind the scenes there in birmingham in the covering hours. what has the reaction been in the whole? there were people on their feet,
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cheering as that announcement was made by paul. he is the outgoing party chairman. there has been speculation that he himself may be someone speculation that he himself may be someone who withstands the leadership, he would not be drawn on that earlier. the results, around two thirds waiting to get rid of henry bolton as ukip leader, thereby sparking another leadership contest. that announcement, they were talking about the national executive committee that will now very quickly make a decision on an interim leader. that is what they are going to be doing. that is where they have gone off the stage to go and make that decision. they well known that interim leader and a leadership election has to be sparked within 90 days. we spoke to henry bolton a little bit earlier, a nervous looking henry bolton is a good reason, he said he felt that he was removed, it would really plays the future of ukip in jeopardy. that is
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what has happened, he wanted to reform the party, he will now get the chance to do that. in terms of who might be the next leader, london mep has been talked about as a potential candidate. we are likely to find out quite quickly he will throw their hats into the ring service. at the moment, this news sinking in. celebrations are some that quite a lot of people here very disappointed, saying is actually skulduggery, politicalskulduggery in the form of the national executive committee and they wanted to see henry bolton remain and unite his party, said he wanted to professionalise it. disappointed faces. actually quite a lot of celebration as well and we will get that announcements shortly, it seems, about who will be the acting leader was that leadership election ta kes leader was that leadership election takes place. what might puzzle people is ukip have have many leadership changes in recent times and there's only so often that you
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can continue that process before people lose confidence the overall and direction are the parties taking. that is why some of the membership here today were anxious for this result not to happen. they wanted henry bolton to stay in place because they said really, it is chaotic to have yet another leadership election. he became the fourth leader in 18 months when he took over back in september. then we had these revelations about text m essa 9 es had these revelations about text m essa g es by had these revelations about text messages by his partner and also the nec saying we have not got confidence in you as a leader anyway. some of the membership saying, hang on, we are facing a really difficult time, the whole purpose of our party is in question. local elections in may, we know that quite a lot of the councillors elected in 2014 for ukip began, could they lose those councils? it is the last bit of political power
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in the country with the meps that are going, they have not got an mp. those people argue that actually henry bolton needed to stay to create some kind of consistency. 0thers create some kind of consistency. others say, no, he was the wrong man and that is why we need to deal with this now, even though we are facing a turbulent time. nigel farage, not here today as far as we know, actually will not be happy with this result. he had come out in favour of henry bolton, saying he may have his flaws that actually if we get rid of him, it will hasten the kind of decline of ukip. actually henry bolton, as i said, had mentioned a little bit earlier that he feels this will jeopardise the little bit earlier that he feels this willjeopardise the party. there are plenty of people here who disagree with that. the purpose point is interesting. people needing now to answer the question, what is ukip for given that britain is leaving you been union, the reason the party was formed in the first place, what is now seeking to do? is there a clear a nswer to now seeking to do? is there a clear answer to that question at the moment? sorry, i lost you. i did not
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hear your full question. i was interested in the purpose of ukip. what is it for given that britain is now leaving the european union? membership here say that actually it is more crucial than ever that ukip has a place in great britain's politics because they say ukip is here to make sure that brexit happens as it should. that is what some people who were not keen on henry bolton with saying, actually he would maybe take the party in a more centrist direction, he would become more like a mainstream party and they did not want that. that was worried because they say actually even know they were here to get us out of europe and that is now happening, there are still huge questions over brexit as we know, the process, exactly what will happen and they say ukip needs to be in place to be providing an alternative voice to what we are hearing from both the conservative
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government and labour as well. plenty of people here with absolutely deny that ukip does not have a future but of course henry bolton's supporters feeling very disappointed. thank you very much for the moment. back maybe with her as we get some reaction to that news that henry bolton has lost the leadership of ukip after losing that no confidence vote. more now on one of our main stories this lunchtime, and theresa may has urged european union leaders not to put lives at risk by blocking a security deal after brexit because of "deep seated ideology". the prime minister was speaking at a security conference in munich. mrs may said that that "nothing must get in the way" of britain and the eu helping each other to keep people safe. the prime minister said that real political will is required to safeguard intelligence co—operation which has developed over the decades. people across europe are safer because of this cooperation and the unique arrangements we have developed between the uk and eu institutions in recent years. so it is in all of our interests
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to find ways to protect the capabilities that underpin this cooperation when the uk becomes a european country outside the eu, but in a new partnership with it. to make this happen will require real political will on both sides. i recognise there is no existing security agreement between the eu and a third country that captures the full depth and breadth of our existing relationship, but there is precedent for comprehensive strategic relationships between the eu and third countries in other fields, such as trade, and there is no legal or operational reason why such an agreement could not be reached in the area of internal security. however, if the priority in the negotiations becomes avoiding any kind of new cooperation with a country outside the eu, then this political doctrine and ideology will have damaging real world consequences for
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the security of all our people in the uk and the eu. let's be clear about what would happen if the means of this cooperation were abolished. extradition under the european arrest warrant would cease. extradition outside the european arrest warrant can cost four times as much and take three times as long. it would mean an end to the significant exchange of data and engagement through europol and it would mean the uk would no longer be able to secure evidence from european partners quickly through the european investigation order, with strict deadlines for gathering evidence requested. instead, relying on slower more cumbersome systems. this would damage us both and would put all our citizens at greater risk. as leaders, we cannot let that happen. so we need together to demonstrate some real creativity and ambition to enable us to meet the challenges of the future as well as today.
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that's why i have proposed a new treaty to underpin our future internal security relationship. the treaty must preserve our operational capabilities, but it must also fulfil three further requirements. it must be respectful of the sovereignty of both the uk and the eu's legal orders. so, for example, when participating in eu agencies, the uk will respect the remit of the european court ofjustice and a principled, but pragmatic solution to close legal co—operation will be needed to respect our unique status as a third country with our own sovereign legal order. as i've said before, we'll need to agree a strong and appropriate form of independent dispute resolution across all the areas of our future partnership in which both sides can have the necessary confidence.
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we must also recognise the importance of comprehensive and robust data protection arrangements. the uk's data protection law will ensure we are aligned with the eu framework, but we want to go further and seek a bespoke arrangement to reflect the uk's exceptionally high standards of data protection. and we envisage an ongoing role for the uk's information commissioner's office, which would be beneficial in providing stability and confidence for eu and uk individuals and businesses alike. and we are ready to start working through this with colleagues in the european commission now. 0ur chief political correspondent vicki young has been gauging reaction to the prime minister's speech. her was much the so - 5
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-— there a t‘ 7. about -; about eu and , away. wet eu special treaty and that a special treaty and continued that close corporation. i enjoyed by the conservative mp who is here at the conference. what did you make of the speech? yes, i thought it was very good. she's absolutely right that we need to start talking turkey on the stuff and being pretty hard ball when it comes to security. we have a lot to offer the country and you can see with the figures, what we contribute anita and so on, we are a significant pair in european defence. it is important to remember that. and i'm certainly struck by the thought of like of acceptance of the thought of like of acceptance of the eu vote that is going on al-qaeda, it has certainly been interesting. the prime minister was right to set back. —— the eu vote thatis right to set back. —— the eu vote that is going on out here. easier if you stay in the eu, the audience
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applauded. she's asking for a complete continuation of everything we have got. i can see that side of the argument, the british people have decided to leave and we are leaving and she has to be robust in that because that is the view that she assented to represent by the people who voted for her and by the conservative party that support telling government. we have got to start getting into the detail of this, one thing we can do is improve out this, one thing we can do is improve our offer a round of sensitivity and i think we have to have another look in the uk as to how we prioritise security. she did really well today and it has been a good conference for the prime minister. thank you very much indeed. theresa may, the second in a series of speeches and then a rather crucial meeting of her senior cabinet ministers later in the week where they will have to try and thrash out some kind of compromise about our future relationship with the european union. let's head to the south of france
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now and daring adventure to cross the mediterranean. a frenchman is planning to travel from to corsica although he will use is a small inflata ble although he will use is a small inflatable zeppelin. it does not fly very high, it does not fly very fast. do not underestimate this little airship. it's great and pilot has big plans for what he calls his zeppelin. this isa for what he calls his zeppelin. this is a precise piece of engineering, her bicycle like structure two propellers and a 20 metre long helium fuelled bullying. translation: the difficulty is the
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machine is sensitive to weather conditions. the that means the fee must be completely flat, not a single wave on the water. the planets across the mediterranean, setting sail from planets across the mediterranean, setting sailfrom nice. heading towards the northern coast of corsica, a journey of 175 kilometres. this is simply a test flight, kilometres. this is simply a test flight, won that caused a little bemusement for passing traffic. faf tried crossing the english channel ten yea rs tried crossing the english channel ten years ago but haptic give up after 80 hours of peddling and a distance of 35 kilometres. the attempted flight the courts go —— to corsica is expected to take place later this year. there are easier
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ways. time for a look at the weather with alina jenkins. i weather of two halves. not eve ryo ne i weather of two halves. not everyone think the sunshine. that has been bringing some street outbreaks of rain and this is the early satellite picture, this is what we will see through tomorrow. this cloud that has been developing with some outbreaks of rain, particularly across parts of northern and central england, attached to this front, pushing its way eastwards, a weakening feature. do the rest of the afternoon, the cardinal brick, spells of sunshine and the rain will melt away. for most of us, clear skies that will keep to much of the night. more cloud arriving, ahead of it under clear skies, it will be a cold and frosty night with temperatures at or just below freezing. some problems with mist and fog, especially across parts of northern england. through tomorrow we warm front pushing its way eastwards, behind it, milder air. what we will see through
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tomorrow is the milder air making inroads into the cold air, blue colours which we are seeing over the past three days. tomorrow, different feel to the weather, cloudy, outbreaks of rain, it will feel a little bit milder. sunday morning, dry, right, frosty, especially across eastern areas but cloud will be building further west and that will bring some outbreak of rain eastwards through the day, especially to northern ireland, western parts of scotland and north—west england and wales. highest tomorrow, 7—11 celsius, feeling mild than it has done recently. that band of cloud and rain continues on its journey eastwards through tomorrow evening, you may not see the rain until after dark. eventually things turned cloudy, so mist and fog and we will keep some outbreaks of rain as we go into monday. some of that is likely to linger across eastern and south—eastern parts of england. temperatures, 7—11 celsius. we start
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the week mild and it does not last for very long because slowly those yellow colour start to disappear as do the west north—westerly winds and we start to pick up an easterly wind as we go through next week. notice how the blue colour returns once again, it will turn cold. after a mild, cloudy and damp stock, easterly winds, it starts to turn colder but it should become mainly dry. this is bbc news. the headlines at 5pm: in the last half hour, gold for lizzy yarnold and bronze for laura deas in the women's skeleton — as britain equals its winter games record — to the delight of yarnold's parents. she has done it and it isjust mind blowing. she said she would do this for a country and she has. it has not had enough all. earlier izzy atkin won bronze in the women's ski slopestyle — a first ever medal for britain on skis. in the last half an hour,
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ukip has dismissed their party leader henry bolton, after party members backed a no confidence motion by 63% theresa may warns the eu not to put lives at risk — by refusing to co—operate on security after brexit.
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