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rescue efforts are continuing at the florida international university n miami, where a recently installed pedestrian bridge collapsed onto a busy highway. emergency crews have been working to free people from cars buried in the rubble. officials say four people have died. the us hasjoined france, germany, and the uk in a joint statement demanding that russia explain the use of a military grade nerve agent in an attack on a former russian spy in england. moscow denies any involvement. president vladimir putin is said to be considering options in respsonse to us and uk sanctions. in syria, thousands of people are fleeing the rebel held enclave of eastern ghouta, as government forces intensify their offensive. it's the first medical evacuation since a massive assault began nearly a month ago. president assad's forces have now retaken large parts of eastern ghouta. those are the latest headlines. now on bbc news, thursday in parliament. hello, and welcome to the programme.
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coming up, conservative mps demand ministers stand up to the eu on fishing after brexit. the amount of eu traumas plundering the fishing grounds since 1973 will not be happy their best years are behind them. doors to grenfell tower vale police fire testing. —— fail. doors to grenfell tower vale police fire testing. -- fail. when tested by the metropolitan police, they failed after 15 minutes. and a former cabinet minister questions if a fellow peer is right to play host to the founder of a far right group. ata time to the founder of a far right group. at a time with increased risks to hate crime, we have been receiving
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eight letters. -- hate. conservative mps have been pressing the government not to allow the eu to continue to fish in the uk's waters after brexit. in its latest version of the brexit agreement released on thursday, the eu added in opportunities for the uk to comment on fishing quotas. one conservative believed people would unite against the idea of continued access to uk waters. people are united that the worst pa rt waters. people are united that the worst part of the eu membership is the common fisheries policy. when we leave the european union, we leave that policy. on that day, the armada of eu trawlers plundering the fishing grounds of the uk since 1973 will not be happy their best years are behind them. will he make sure
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the royal navy has the resources it needs to protect our sovereign waters and make sure that the british fishing industry is rebirthed. it was interesting to see that report on line. could be secretary of state reassure me they have been robust on helping northumbrian fishermen to make sure we regain control of fishing waters before making certain who can fishing them? you are right. it was an odd linkage to make. the simple truth is when we leave the eu, we will be an independent coastal state and asa will be an independent coastal state and as a result we will control our owfi and as a result we will control our own waters. we will continue to negotiate with neighbouring states because fish move. we will talk about quotas and the rest of it. but we control our destiny. when we leave the eu, will he confirm it will be our policy to control our
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fishing waters and not give free and u nfettered fishing waters and not give free and unfettered access as is demanded currently by the eu? as we have said, the secretary of state and i have both said we will leave the common fisheries policy and take control of our waters. i will say that my experience with fisherman is they want access to european markets and we need to approach the fisheries negotiation in the same constructive spirit as other parts of negotiations. —— fishermen. constructive spirit as other parts of negotiations. -- fishermen. we will take control of waters. while fish largely ignored national borders, that is not always the case with mp5, especially if that is the border between northern ireland and the republic. they want to avoid a heart border after brexit. but some mps questioned whether that is plausible. —— hard. mps questioned whether that is plausible. -- hard. given the government has said that it will be friction free, frictionless, there will be no more border in the irish sea, the question many of us continued to ask is how can this
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happen? —— continue. continued to ask is how can this happen? -- continue. the government has made clear its unwavering commitment to free guiding principles in relation to northern ireland and the republic. there should be no heart border, north and south. the belfast agreement should be honoured. and the constitutional economic integrity of the uk has to remain unpaid. the prime minister set up in her speech recently how that might be achieved. also, building on the option in the august papers setting out practical options on how we might take this forward. this is much more than the movement of goods and services. it is about a cultural issue about the movement of people, it is about all of that. the symbolism of this is enormous. the minister needs to make sure that is recognised time after time in all of the talks she has to reassure the people of both parts of ireland.”
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just people of both parts of irelandlj just do not think ministers quite appreciate the level of concern there is across the house on this issue. whenever i visited the irish border, i have come face—to—face with the reality of what the installation of any cameras, any infrastructure, would mean. it would not last a day, minister. it would not last a day, minister. it would not last a day. why won't the secretary of state even visit the border so that he can appreciate why people are concerned? be secretary of state has also been to the border prior to his appointment to this position. he knows and understands the sensitivities and importance of this critical issue. mr speaker, i think that says all we need to hear. how... that is what we want to know, how can we make sure there is an open border without a customs union? the minister said there were many
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proposals on the table that are viable and workable. the government has reported a new and worrying development in the investigation into the fire at grenfell tower. it is nine months since the blaze claimed 91 lives. the installation already failed all preliminary testing by the police. now, the investigation has found a flat door of the building could only hold back a fire for half the time it was supposed to. initial inspections indicated the door was believed to have been designed to withhold fire for 30 minutes. when tested by the metropolitan police, it failed after approximately 15 minutes. the metropolitan police considered that this test result might have wider implications for public safety and alerted my department. sajid javid sought the advice from independent expert panels. the expert panel advised the risk to the safety of the public remains low. there is no
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change to fire safety advice that the public should follow. i, nevertheless, fully appreciate that this news will be troubling for many people, not least all of those affected by the grenfell tower tragedy. that is why, based on expert advice, we have begun the process of conducting further testing, and will continue to consult with the expert panel to identify the implications of these further tests. i have made it clear they must be carried out thoroughly but at pace. there is no evidence this is a systemic issue. if this is not systemic, umm, what assessment has been made of how many buildings are potentially affected by this, how many individual flats, how many people who have fire doors who simply cannot trust they do the job? what steps are you taking to ascertain those numbers if you do not understand that number yet. it might be too early. what steps are
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being taken to make the determination? that is the point with which the words this is not systemic begin to ring a little incredible. it may be a systemic problem and we have got to begin to recognise that if this is widespread, we have a systemic problem. the minister repeated the government was being led by the experts. there advice so far, that is why i said my statement earlier, they say there is no evidence of a systemic problem. —— there. we are correctly taking advice while we continue with further testing at pace. the expert panel's recommendation that no change in safety advice is necessary will come asa safety advice is necessary will come as a surprise to many people. so, will the government insists that during the review into the fire regulation assessments, they will make sure that every high—rise building's assessment will be published and made available. and
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accessibility for the public is maintained. then they can get the reassurance fi’oiti maintained. then they can get the reassurance from that that they might not have got from this report. asa might not have got from this report. as a west london near neighbour, residents in the borough have had issues with debris in the sky. there we re issues with debris in the sky. there were massive numbers at a march yesterday in the sense of injustice was overwhelming. the minister repeatedly said public safety is paramount. what is he doing to instil public confidence into the enquiry in the aftermath? i do not think it was ever there. she was speaking to an architect who worked on the estate. in those days in the 19705, on the estate. in those days in the 1970s, fire doors were supposed to la st 1970s, fire doors were supposed to last for one hour. can we please reconsider whether or not, in buildings of that size, half an hour is enough? she asked me about the
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fire doors and whether one hour is correct against half an hour. this is exactly one of the reasons i have set up the independent building regulation fire safety enquiry. i know this is an issue she will be looking at. you are watching thursday in parliament with me, mandy baker. the cherub the commons health committee has dismissed as dismal the explanation from nhs digital about why it shares some patients because data. —— chair of. they said they could give details to immigration officials. some sharing has raised fears some migrants will put off getting medical help. the chair reminded them of their remit. we at the guardians of patient data, only used for the good of health and
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care. this is not the approach you are taking. do you recognise the potential damage this is doing at a time when we want the public to trust nhs digital to make ethical about sharing data for decisions about sharing data for research purposes? it is a crucial being we need to bring the public on board with so we understand why it is in the interest of everyone to do that. at the same time, it is an organisation charged with understanding why this matters taking a process driven approach to a serious ethical issue. we take any laws driven approach. not ethical? laws and ethics. it was consulted on very widely with a large committee and reviewed on our board. it was notjust a case of and reviewed on our board. it was not just a case of ticking the boxes. we were careful in how we handled clinical data. i absolutely
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acce pt handled clinical data. i absolutely accept you have eight, you know a concern about address data. —— a, you know, a. iappreciate concern about address data. —— a, you know, a. i appreciate that. concern about address data. —— a, you know, a. i appreciate thatm it not fairfor you know, a. i appreciate thatm it not fair for those talking about data to seek help from the nhs and expect that to not be shared? our position is that is not a reasonable expectation. from our perspective, we have a fair process. they may share this data with the home office, address data, for immigration purposes. we have been transparent about the potential uses of data. if that is going to reduce willingness to access health help, is that good? we do not have
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empirical evidence showing it will impact that. i have representations to let you know information from the home office resulted in... as a result of securing that information through nhs digital, a deportation notice was sent to a gp to pass on toa notice was sent to a gp to pass on to a highly vulnerable patient. is that acceptable? we have nothing to do with the home office and how they handle this. as a consequence of you releasing that data, you have to ta ke releasing that data, you have to take responsibility for what happens with it. i know nothing of the case you are talking about. it does not matter whether you do it happened. is that appropriate? i really cannot comment on the home office, i am afraid. i do not know enough contextually about that case or the way immigration enforcement works to make a comment on it. this is dismal. i think you have been told
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very clearly by public health england there is a risk. why would you not apply precautionary principle is on this and at least suspends data sharing until they com plete suspends data sharing until they complete their review? —— principles. she insisted they had not been told cleary is had an impact on people seeking healthcare. —— clearly. mps were keeping up the pressure on ministers to invest in mental health services. in a debate in westminster hall, a former health minister said better services would benefit the individual and the treasury. he what we know from the analysis thatis he what we know from the analysis that is being done, for every £1 you invest, if you do it fully, you get a return of £15 over subsequent yea rs of. a return of £15 over subsequent years of. one of the publications, of course, is that the return on that investment is not concentrated just on the nhs. it is getting people off benefits and into work.
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it is bringing in tax revenues, it is reducing the amount of people going through the criminaljustice system as well as reduction in the use of the nhs. norman lamb also said leaving people, and spit they can get treatment amounted to discrimination. why should someone who experiences psychosis be treated in any inferior way to someone who suffers from cancer or any other physical condition? labour's paul williams is a gp, he said people who got rapid treatment had half a chance of getting their lives back on track. you can imagine if there we re on track. you can imagine if there were a pathway for cancer that improved survival and recovery at 215%, we would all know about it and be fighting for it. in the past, diagnosis or psychosis would in essence be a life sentence. but we know that early intervention and treatment now can lead to a recovery on the people can get their lives back on track. this isn't not the
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dark days of where you had a mental illness that was it, we know that actually people can recover and many people should recover, but getting that early treatment is absolutely crucial to that. that early treatment is absolutely crucialto that. health that early treatment is absolutely crucial to that. health minister agreed that improving access to treatment must be a top priority and said that ministers had a planned. it remains the government ‘s priority that we do deliver a step change in how will we provide services for people with poor mental health. that is a cultural change, it will take time, it is why we have it will take time, it is why we have it as it will take time, it is why we have itasa it will take time, it is why we have it as a forward view. we will make the investment in the additional staffing resources to deliver that step change. the health minister. peers have been debating how to tackle hate speech online but the topic also come up with the house of lords of. it was discussed how vulnerable children are. websites
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and apps have brought benefits but this is at a cost. i am particularly concerned about the hate speech that young people are exposed to online, including through anonymous apps. what is the government doing to ensure that the age verification checks on apps are actually effective? the government is working extensively with platforms on things such as age verification, but also on things like bullying and trolling online and some of the things that young people are exposed to that actually could light their lives. questioning moved closer to home, concerning tommy robinson, the founder of the english defence league. does my noble friend agree with me that all members of this house should be working to eradicate all forms of hate speech? i know lord pearson is desperate to get into this question and maybe if he doesn't have the opportunity to do
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so he could explain whether he thinks it is appropriate or members of this house to be hosting the likes of tommy robinson within the precincts of this house at a time where there is an increased risk in relation to hate crime and other members of the house have been receiving hate letters?|j members of the house have been receiving hate letters? i couldn't agree more with my noble friend that this isn'tjust a governmental thing, notjust societal, but as legislators for this country we have got a strong leadership role to take and it does dismay me when i see that certain quite extreme people are actually being invited into the palace of westminster to propagate some of their hate. the ukip peer lord pearson didn't mention tommy robinson when he asked a question later. a former labour cabinet minister said hate speech would not be tackled by technical controller platforms loan, education was key. the chequered history of this
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country, then the most glorious and the sacrifices that were made in order to defeat an ideology where at its core had racial hatred, homophobic hatred and political hatred as well and that you abandoned the history of this country in its greatest hours by indulging in any of them and our young people should know that. the minister agreed and stressed the need to respect the right to use free—speech without forgetting how many lives have been lost fighting hatred. un investigators said it is likely that crimes under international law had been committed against a pinch of muslims in the bernese state of rakine. hundreds of thousands have fled the violence and are sheltering refugee camps in bangladesh. they now face new dangers of landslides and flooding during the monsoon season so when a
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foreign office minister updated the situation, he said the burmese authorities had refused to allow the un fact—finding mission into the country. despite this, through interviewing refugees in bangladesh and malaysia, the interim report revealed incredible evidence of widespread and systematic abuse, rape and murder of rohingya people and structured of their home and villages primarily by the burnley ‘s military. this is not only a human tragedy, it is a humanitarian catastrophe. since august 2017, nearly 680,000 rohingya refugees have sought shelter in bangladesh. the un special reporter for human rights in burma recently stated that the conflict had all the hallmarks of genocide, however i must tell the house that the only path to prosecution for genocide or crimes against humanity is by the
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international criminal court. it is a legal process. burma is not a party to the red statute and must either refer it is often the court will be referred by the un security council. now, neither is actuality is likely by fear and in the short—term. is likely by fear and in the short-term. he will understand the long—standing view on this side of the house that it is time to go further and be more public in using the uk's formal role as pen holder on myanmar in the united nations security council to table these vital issues. first, to table a resolution setting down the terms under which the repatriation process should proceed and the future rights and protections that must be accorded to the rohingya refugees and obliging the myanmar authorities to exceed two these terms. secondly, at the appropriate time, to table a resolution referring myanmar to the
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international criminal court so that the generals, who this week scandalously dismissed the un's claims of ethnic cleansing and genocide and said instead that the rohingya had burned down their own houses, so that they can be brought to account. we welcome a report by the fact—finding mission in burma that as to overwhelming evidence there was a human right violations of the most serious crimes. we have heard earlier that the conflict had the hallmarks of genocide. as i speak today, my own city of dundee is considering the withdrawal of the title that was given for upholding international law and for my constituents of that is profoundly important. the minister has reminded the house today that the un special rack on tourfor the house today that the un special rack on tour for human rights has
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described this conflict as having the hallmarks of genocide. it is therefore absolutely imperative that everything is done to bring the various actors to justice at the conclusion of it. the minister is quite right to remind us about the challenges we face in reaching that and that there is an immediate issue here, the best and most compelling evidence that will inform any prosecutions in the future is to be found now. could the minister tell me what the government is doing to ensure that every piece of evidence thatis ensure that every piece of evidence that is available for future use is being sought and acquired at the moment? the ministers said the british government was doing its best to make sure all the evidence was collected. there have been claims that the creative industries will lose vital protection after the uk leaves the eu. a liberal democrat was worried about brexit‘s impact on fashion and design —based industries. the hard exit from the eu means the loss of eu unregistered
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community design rights and vital action for designers who first disclosed their designs in the uk. this is just the way to lose london fashion week. business minister said new schemes would be established to protect rights. we will bring forward various batches of in this country to further our rights, there are negotiations that will take place with the eu as part of the leading process, which we hope will deal with these matters are. but that didn't convince one labour pm. organisations like london fashion week will disappear and the amount of gdp that it rings to this country is enormous and further as it is not doing very well in other parts of the world, we need it to continue. can you ensure that these industries are welcomed here and will make sure this can happen quite quickly otherwise they will look at going to paris and milan because they are asking and taking them to come. paris and milan because they are asking and taking them to comelj
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think the noble lady is taking the rather pessimistic view of things but obviously we are aware of those risks. when anyone thinks of the strength of the industry in this country and i think it is very unlikely it is going to lead overnight. obviously we will be in discussion with people such as the british fashion council and listen to their concerns and as i said we will continue with our negotiations as part of the leading process. lord henley. that is it. journey at the same time tomorrow for a look back at the whole week parliament. but for now, from me and mandy baker, thereby. —— goodbye. friday it will offer some dry, sunny
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moments across parts of the uk but also some rain around. areas in increasing chance force snow go into the later part of the days. through this zone affecting parts of eastern scotla nd this zone affecting parts of eastern scotland into north—east england. outbreaks of rain, health that in scotla nd outbreaks of rain, health that in scotland turning colder through the day. a bit of a patch affecting north—eastern parts of northern ireland, and area of rain edging its way northwards across parts of the midlands and east anglia. to the south, sunny spells and one or two heavy showers with a rumble of thunder and a big range of temperatures across the uk. colder airdigs into the temperatures across the uk. colder air digs into the north—east, rain turning into snow and snow coming down from the hills into lower levels are giving a light covering for some saturday morning and some snow showers drifting westward as we go into saturday. a bitterly cold easterly wind, a significant wind chill as well. it stays very cold throughout the weekend with not thomas moore snow in places. —— with more snow in welcome to bbc news, broadcasting to viewers
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in north america and around the globe. my name is nkem ifejika. these are our top stories: a pedestrian bridge collapses onto a highway in miami, killing four people. we'll have the latest from florida. president trump joins the uk, france and germany in blaming moscow for the poisoning of a russian spy. as russia holds its presidential election on sunday, we find out why people in the country's rust belt find mr putin so popular. and in a special report, we speak to syrian civilians who escaped the conflict in eastern ghouta.
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