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three men drove the van into night three men drove the van into pedestrians on london bridge and then set about starting people enjoying an evening. —— grenfell. the people murdered on a saturday night, were three frenchmen, two australian women and one canadian woman. the only reduced victim was james mcmullan. but his father simon and his mother and sister told me that all their attempts to remember james have been disregarded. they wa nted james have been disregarded. they wanted to put up his pluck but they have been turned down twice. —— put up have been turned down twice. —— put up this lark. we are that it is of people who need to express our desires to be able to put something thatis desires to be able to put something that is meaningful to all of us, but at least be able to pay respects in which we are of the family of someone which we are of the family of someone who has been caught up in this event being fit and not to be stymied and blocked and are
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projected to at every turn. what is worse, james mcmullan‘s family also say they weren't asked what they wa nted say they weren't asked what they wanted to happen at sunday's oration service, a minutes silence, and all their ideas were turned down. we have not been consulted, in any way, shape, form or fashion, have not been consulted, in any way, shape, form orfashion, not that they could not have, there has been no opportunity to import any —— input any personal desires or wishes into any aspect of this. but you are the only british family. we were will —— we are aware of this. it is not happening. the london mayor 's office and select council says they have worked closely with the family. the mayor says james mcmullan‘s family should get their plaque, dividing the location and size of appropriate. the other person that night was spanish man. he was an
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expert in combating money laundering at hsbc. his father has come to london for sunday's commemoration, describing how he fought the attack is that night with his skateboard. translation: i think he did what he had to do. i did not expect anything less. the eight young people from around the world will be remembered on sunday in a service at southwark cathedral, followed by a minutes silence on london bridge. that's a summary of the news. newsday is coming up at midnight. now on bbc news, it's time for newsnight with evan davis. populism on the rampage.. the old establishment on the run.. the world in flux.. with italy, two of the g7 nations
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now have populists in charge and with president trump's trade measures, we have a clearer view of what the political creed of populism can mean in practice. we hearfrom an italian five star mp. if germany, france, the other big countries, don't understand that we are on a race to destroy the european dream, we will go straight there. and we'll get a response to that from the man who was italy's europe minister until earlier today. a controversial new york times piece this week painted a dark picture of austerity britain. but many said it had its facts wrong. what does it say about the role of the traditional foreign correspondent? maybe we can all report on local events, and save the travel budget of the foreign newspapers. or not? and have you ever wondered who invented rap music? well amongst others,
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these guys were there from the start, 50 years on, we meet the legendary last poets. william shakespeare was a monster. hello. looking back on this week, one might think we're reaching peak populism. from this afternoon, it's running italy; and from this morning its effect on trade seriously started to bite, thanks to president trump's new tariffs. the eu establishment is angry, upset, and struggling to shape its response, not just to these two cases, but to eastern europe as well. interesting times. now, i used the phrase "peak populism" but who knows how much further it may still go? just one example: there is a swedish election in september, where the populist swedish democrats party is running at 20% in the polls. it's hazardous predicting election results, but we can
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say a dissatisfaction is in the air, a desire for new, simple solutions to problems, especially those focussing on the nation state rather than the global community. but do populists have the answers? with 16 months of president trump, it's not clear. as for italy, it's now embarking on a political adventure that could put it at odds with the eu and the bond markets. here's chris cook. this slightly awkward photo is something of a moment, two antiestablishment parties are now the government in rome. the 5—star movement and the northern league are no longer barbarians at the gate, they are running the italian state. even though the markets seem to have reacted with some sort of relief at the announcement of this government, the fact is, we are looking at at best paralysis, at worst, even more instability. three months on from the election,
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we know that the new prime minister will be giuseppe conte, an academic, but real power will be wielded by the leader of the league, and the leader of the movement, in their rather peculiar coalition. this is notjust any party of government, this is a populist government, this is a government that is anti—system, which brings the left and the far right together. these people have basically nothing in common, other than their stance, which is anti—system, the fact they want to lower taxes and the fact they want to reverse pension reform which had upped the age of retirement. aside from that, they disagree on pretty much everything! the big problem for italy is its debt pile, which is effectively one and a half times bigger than ours, the coalition‘s big spending plan could scare investors who currently lends
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to italy and may wonder if they will be repaid and that could create crisis. will the coalition really pursue the bank? reality will impose itself on the fantasies, let's say, of the electoral campaign. parties which have never been in government. fortunately there is a sort of very powerful bureaucratic democracy in italy which is capable of running things much more than the government in office. the coalition faces a choice of letting down voters or risking its credit supply, that could trigger a new euro crisis, but that is not the only issue for europe, the coalition is very eurosceptic. the eurozone reform, banking reform, all of this
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is going to be more difficult and get delayed because the italians are not going to facilitate any of this. der spiegel, a german magazine, today published this cover, they fear a debt crisis, the end of eu reform, the coalition‘s cosiness with russia and the resurgence of nationalist populism across europe. most european countries now have growing populist countries, austria, italy, some of them are in government. there is a contagion of populism. populists, people who wail against the elites in the name of the people, may also be seen in economic nationalist abroad, the us is beginning to raise tariffs against us. if you take the european union and you see the kind of tariff they charge, and that is
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called not fair trade. i want fair trade, i like free trade, ata minimum i want fair trade. european voters might want economic nationalists of their own to reply in kind. the old world is under strain. the rules—based international order has a growing list of enemies. movements of the left and the right wants to cut the free movement of goods, capital and people. studio: earlier i spoke to five star movement mp manlio di stefa no. i asked him why italian voters decided to put his party and lega into government. people understood that we can do this, the reason they understood this is since the very beginning, we did everything we promised during the campaigns. so, now, when we brought to the italian people our programme, made of things
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they were asking, like social welfare, the reform of thejob, the environment, mostly based on growing the economy, and typical green concept, it is something that we think is important for our country. think of the situation in greece, many will draw the comparison, a radical left government, series, in coalition with a nationalistic populist right—wing partner. —— syriza. it came in with lavish promises. it was going to take on the european establishment. it has not worked out like that, and i wonder, what lesson you draw from greece? luckily we are not greece, in any sense you can imagine. we are a strong economy, we are still the fourth biggest economy in europe. so, we have all the possibility
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to find a good way to evolve, to improve our economy and our society. but, when i listened to someone in the european commission say that a good solution was applied on greece, i say, may be they would not have been there, because the social system and the social economy is destroyed for the next 50 years. how are the europeans meant to behave with regard to italy, if, and it is still only and if, you break some of the fiscal rules that the eurozone has... they cannot pick up the pieces if it goes wrong. you are willing to accept full responsibility for it, i suppose, is the question. we want to go in the european commission to get a new agreement, deal it again, the agreement we signed in the past, the eu has to understand that if we don't act like this,
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italy and all the other countries that are facing crisis, in 20 years, the eu will never exist. if germany, france, the other big countries, do not understand that we are, that we are under the risk to destroy the european dream, then we will go straight there. are you effectively saying to the europeans, we are keen to stay, we will stay in the euro and the eu but if you get in our way, if you impose unnecessary rules on us, then the game is over for italy and the eu? i don't want to go to the fight... we just started. i trust the eu. we are really focused on making it work. you will understand, there has to be good cooperation. everyone in the has to understand that if italy is in trouble, you
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need to help italy. because the opposite is to make europe collapse. some are saying that what you have done is bring not the fascists but a very right—wing nationalist party back into government, in italy, of a kind that has not been seen since mussolini. i have respect for the 6 million voters of the northern league, i don't think they feel close to mussolini. having said that, the mistrust between each other brought us to create this agreement to start the government. we are a democratic party. we respect human rights, human dignity, international law. there would be no room for that. thank you so much for talking to us tonight, thank you. thank you, goodbye. so what does this all mean for the old guard in italy, and those in the rest of europe? i'm joined now from geneva by sandro gozi, an italian mp for
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the democratic party and, until today, italy's europe minister. very good evening to you, thanks forjoining us, i wonder what you make of what we just heard... really, they are talking about a kind of existential crisis for the eu, if the eu does not adapt or concede some points to their government, and to the way that the eurozone is wrong? i think that is a very wrong approach, and i totally disagree with the method, mentioned by my colleague, to you, and i think that we are in front of opposite to a paradox alliance of extreme right, of the lega, and unpredictable movements, the 5—star movement, and this government contract is ambiguous and contradictory. either they will go, in open conflict, with the eu, and in that case, they may be can implement the contract. or, they do not clash with the european union, and they enter the programme. we are in front of a very worrying situation. either my country is going to open a back door
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against the eu —— open a battle against the eu, all we do not know what it is going to ferment. i'm very sceptical. for the sake of my country and the sake of europe, i hope the new government can bring some positive result and thinking, but i have serious doubts about their capacity to do so. another alternative, the european establishment listens to the voters, all over the place, notjust in italy, saying, we do not like the system. and the problem is, is it not, that the likes of you, who have been in charge for so many years, are sitting there saying, voters have got it wrong and we have got it right. and actually you have to say, if the voters don't like it, the voters don't like it, how do we deliver what the voters want?
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first of all, i haven't been in charge for so many years, i have been in charge only since 2014, and i represent political renewal in the centre—left. of course, there have been mistakes in the past,
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