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"we could potentially have another scandal on our hands". that's what one mp has told this programme, as we reveal today that as many as 170,000 people in england alone could be facing complications after hernia mesh implants. patients have told us they've been left suicidal, after the procedure. ie actually do feel like a freak. when you do have these attacks and you've just seen a couple of little ones, people look at you and i know they arejudging me. when i had the meshes in i was hunched over, walking as though i was elderly and i couldn't stand up straight and it hurt all the time. the regulators still insist using mesh for hernias is safe, even though vaginal mesh procedures are effectively banned in england. some top surgeons disagree. they said the problem is the mesh itself. it is the same product, it is just
put in different places, different sizes and different shapes, but if it is causing a problem in one area, it is causing a problem in one area, it is causing a problem in one area, it is likely to be causing a problem in another area. under the radar all the time. some of these people have all seen or suffered from the impact of hernia mesh procedures. we'll hear from them and from two surgeons. labour leaderjeremy corbyn addresses his party conference later today. will this speech from a labour mp, calling for a general strike, help his cause? comrades, we must topple this cruel and callous tory government as soon as we can. and if we can't get a general election, we should organise with our brothers and sisters in the trade union to bring an end to this government with a general strike. we'll ask some undecided voters what they want to hear from the labour leader. and bill cosby is jailed for up to ten years for drugging and raping a woman 14 years ago. 0ther alleged victims have
spoken of their relief. this is just going to show victims that they can make it through and that there is justice at the and hallelujah. hallelujah. we'll speak to one woman who claims he drugged and raped her too. hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11:00 this morning. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about, use the hashtag victoria live. if you re emailing and are happy for us to contact you and maybe want to take part in the programme, please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you ll be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today: up to 170,000 people who have had hernia mesh implants in england in the past six years could face complications, an exclusive investigation for this
programme has found. some patients have been left unable to walk or work after hernia repair operations using mesh, and others have been left suicidal. but the medicines and health care products regulatory agency and the royal college of surgeons continue to back the use of hernia mesh. anna collinson reports. i can't even sleep properly. i used to sleep on my front, three hours a night if i'm lucky now. regularly take pills. i have two to function. fox i have to to function. i have ceremony times come close to ending it because of the pain. one in ten of us develop a hernia. the most common treatment involves a surgeon pushing any bulging tissue back into the body and covering it with a piece of surgical mesh. in 2014, surgeons used a large piece to fix david ellis' recurring hernia. he woke up in pain and despite numerous visits to the doctors and pain
clinics, nothing helped. he lost his job and much of his mobility. the victoria derbyshire programme can reveal the nhs has carried out nearly 570,000 hernia mesh operations in the past six years alone. leading surgeons believe the complication rates between 12 and 30% which means up to 170,000 patients could be affected. yet we found nhs trusts in england have no consistent policy for guidelines on treatment or follow—up of patients. this doctor works in the private sector and has prepared 27,000 hernias, most of the time without mesh. she says there is a big demand for removal, but few surgeons have the skills to do it. it's really very, very difficult because the mesh is growing into the tissue, the material becomes so stiff, so sharp that you can really hurt yourself if you touch the edge. she says 99.9% of these removals have been a success. i only have two patients
so far who didn't become pain—free after mesh removal. out of 3000? yes. if you have mesh for your hernia, let me know. if it has worked to you, we will talk about this during the course of the programme today. and we'll have much more on this after the news. annita mcveigh is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. labour leaderjeremy corbyn will close the party's conference later with a speech in liverpool. he will focus on the economy, denouncing what he'll call "greed—is—good capitalism". but the event's largely been dominated by discussion over the party's stand on brexit. with us now is our political guru norman smith. jeremy corbyn may be choosing to focus on the economy, but will he talk about brexit in that speech and will he be able to put party divisions behind him? perhaps not,
but his hope will be to wrench the attention away from brexit and back onto the alternative agenda, which he says a labour government under him would pursue and it would be a different agenda to any pursued by recent labour governments. he will ta ke recent labour governments. he will take a swipe at the governments of gordon brown, accusing them of straining every sinew to prop up a failed economic system after the financial crash in 2008. instead, jeremy corbyn will promise a so—called greenjobs jeremy corbyn will promise a so—called green jobs revolution jeremy corbyn will promise a so—called greenjobs revolution and what he hopes to achieve by that is bringing backjobs to those areas in the north, in the midlands which we re the north, in the midlands which were hollowed out when the steel industry and the coal mines collapsed. he will suggest a labour government would bring about a huge expansion in offshore wind turbines, in solar panels on fitting every
household in britain with energy—saving insulation. creating, he would argue, up to 400,000 skills, skills, unionised jobs which would help revitalise communities, which too often comic he argues, have been forgotten. and that he says will be a marked change from any previous government we have seen in recent history. norman, for the moment thank you very much. the american entertainer, bill cosby, has started a prison sentence for drugging and sexually assaulting a woman in 2004. the judge branded the 81—year—old a "sexually violent predator" before sentencing him for between three and ten years. lawyers for cosby have already said they'll appeal. around 60 other women made similar allegations, but because of time limits, their cases couldn't be heard. the entire police force in the mexican coastal town of acapulco is under investigation. the government says the port city has been infiltrated by drug gangs. two commanders have been arrested on suspicion of murder while the rest of the city's police
have been disarmed. state police and the military will patrol the city instead. research suggests eating a mediterranean diet — high in fruit and vegetables, nuts, grains, fish and olive oil, could help prevent depression. the findings, in the journal molecular psychiatry, come from a review of 41 studies published within the last eight years. but experts say trials are now needed to test the theory and to learn whether depression can be treated with diet. the authorities in switzerland have rejected a residency application from russian billionaire roman abramovich. the owner of chelsea football club had applied to live in the alpine resort of verbier, and officials had initially said yes, but switzerland's federal police said they suspected he posed a security risk, and so the application was rejected. there is no evidence of any offence, and mr abramovich's lawyer says the suggestion is entirely false. president trump will chair a meeting of the un security council for the first time today.
he's expected to focus on the threat that he says is posed by iran. earlier, a senior us official warned iran there will be "hell to pay" if they harm the us, its citizens or allies. girlguiding has defended its decision to allow transgender members and leaders after it expelled two volunteers who objected to the policy. one of the expelled volunteers said girls had a right to female—only spaces. but girlguiding says including people who identify as female does not put girls at risk. the duchess of sussex has carried out her first solo royal engagement, attending the opening of a major exhibition. meghan joined guests at the royal academy of arts in central london. it's the first major showing of art from the pacific islands to be held in britain, and marks the 250th anniversary of captain's cook's first voyage to the region on the endeavour. conservationists are waiting to see if a beluga whale seen in the river thames yesterday has headed back out to sea.
it was spotted swimming in the river yesterday near gravesend in kent, but has not been seen yet this morning. rescue teams are on standby in case the whale, which usually lives in the arctic, gets into danger. beluga whales are usually found in artic waters and they were last spotted in the uk three years ago. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30. thank you for your messages about having a hernia mesh repair. we have covered the channel mesh repairs and complications and the effect on lives for 18 months. we have suggestions that over 100,000 people could have complications from hernia mesh repairs. 0n e—mail, 14 years ago i had a hernia repair and nowi
will need pain injections for life. it means i am flawed and i cannot stand up straight. how much has my procedure cost the nhs, the visits to the doctor, the acupuncture, the post—op visits, i have, in my opinion being lied to. with no remedy for the mesh to be removed. it has been inside me now for too long. shirley says i had a repair with mesh in 2016 and i have been telling my gp i am in pain but nothing has been done. she did suggest a ct scan but it wouldn't show anything because it would not show anything because it would not show up scar tissue which he says is causing the problem. because the repair isjust causing the problem. because the repair is just below my waist, it makes bending and sitting more painful. 0n makes bending and sitting more painful. on twitter, this common says there is a lack of follow up for hernia patients. we will be talking about this in the next few minutes. do get in touch with us
throughout the morning — use the hashtage victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. let's get some sport. azi farni is at the bbc sport centre. manchester united's season is not great, problems on and off the field? yes, great, problems on and off the field ? yes, it great, problems on and off the field? yes, it was a dramatic day all round for united yesterday, starting with jose all round for united yesterday, starting withjose mourinho near‘s decision not to let paul pogba captain the side again this season. he had been standing in for antonio valencia on occasions, has fallen out with the manager because of concerns over his attitude. the french world cup winner was only told of the decision before their third round match with derby and he had to watch from the stands as ashley young was given the armband to be them. united took the lead through juan mata and
to be them. united took the lead throuthuan mata and then derby equalised. then derby went ahead and then a headerfrom marouane fellaini said the match to penalties. after 15 successful spot kicks, scott carson said philjones' effort to secure a famous victory for frank lampard. secure a famous victory for frank lampa rd. what has secure a famous victory for frank lampard. what has the reaction been to the defeat? as you can imagine people are talking about this all over social media, all over the papers. jose mourinho says there is no fallout and he has no problem with paul pogba, despite the captaincy decision. but some back pages think otherwise. their relationship and this defeat dominating. the daily star, they say there are fresh doubts on paul pogba's future at the club and increasing pressure onjose
mourinho. they reckon there will be a lot of clubs are watching and the sun newspaper said they think he is on his way out and the relationship between paul pogba and jose mourinho is broken and barcelona are ready to make a move in the january transfer window. yesterday morning paul pogba played down the breakdown in his relationship with jose played down the breakdown in his relationship withjose mourinho on twitter. he has normally been quite vocalin twitter. he has normally been quite vocal in the last few weeks but he hasn't said anything yet about the decision not to let him captain the side again this season. elsewhere in the efl cup, it was a night that the youngsters. phil foden gave a performance for manchester city that had his manager comparing him to andreas iniesta. he scored one and had a hand in manchester city's of two as they want 3—0 at oxford united. pep guardiola said he can be
an amazing player for the club over the next decade. and this 15—year—old came on and didn't see brazil win a world cup and was only eight weeks old when wayne rooney made his england debbie. doesn't that make you feel old? speak for yourself. this programme can exclusively reveal up to 170—thousand people in england could be experiencing serious complications following hernia mesh repairs. some patients have told us the pain is so severe they have considered suicide following the procedure. hundreds say it has affected their mobility and they ve? lost jobs and relationships. we have found the nhs has?carried out almost 570,000 hernia mesh operations in the past six years alone. surgeons believe the complication rate is between 12 and 30% —
and that treating the patients who have been affected by these complications could cost billions of pounds. removing the synthetic material is extremely difficult and few surgeons have the necessary skills. those who successfully campaigned for vaginal mesh to be suspended say our findings suggest the problem is the material itself and that a government review is needed. but the uk's medical devices regulator, the royal college of surgeons and nice continue to back the procedure. we're going to devote most of the the first of two reports this morning. we're going to devote most of the the first of two reports this morning. here's anna collinson. what do all these people have in common? hernias, surgery, chronic pain, difficulties walking, pain clinics, not being believed, lost jobs, relationship breakdowns, isolation, depression,
suicidalthoughts, mesh. one in ten of us will develop a hernia. the most common treatment involves a doctor pushing any bulging tissue back into the body and covering it with a piece of surgical mesh. if there are complications with the mesh or the way it is implanted, people can suddenly find themselves unable to do the simplest of tasks. this story is about the many patients who are being left behind after undergoing what should be a straightforward procedure. you go, ow, jesus. you are ok to stand up? no. david ellis experiences shocks of pain a couple of times an hour.
the 57—year—old says today is actually not too bad. that's a good one. yeah. 0h, jesus, yeah, iwill. david discovered that he had a recurring hernia in 2014. his surgeon said that they would fix it with keyhole surgery. he says they didn't tell him they would be using a large piece of mesh. he woke up in pain, and the outgoing man who loved to play football, who sung, who worked, began to fade away. being honest, iactually do feel like a freak. because when you do have these attacks, even just a couple of little ones, they arejudging me. david has spoken to his gp and his surgeon about his worsening pain multiple times. he has even attended a pain clinic where he was given
injections, pills and acupuncture. nothing has helped. he felt like doctors didn't believe him so he never formally complained. the life that i knew is gone. i can't even sleep properly. i used to sleep on my front. three hours a night if i'm lucky now. i regularly take pills. i have to. yeah, it's not something that you'd choose for yourself. so that's why that's how i feel. and, yeah, i have so many times come close to ending it because of the pain. how convinced are you that it's the mesh that is causing all these problems? i'm100%. i don't ever think i will get my life back. but i want to be better than i am. with it in me, that's not going to happen. this programme can reveal the nhs has carried out
around 570,000 hernia mesh operations in six years but the procedure has been used since the ‘90s so numbers are likely to be even higher. leading surgeons believe the complication rates are between 12 and 30%, which means 170,000 patients could be affected. yet we found nhs trusts in england have no consistent policy for guidelines on treatment or follow up with patients. sometimes the issue is the mesh, sometimes it is how the surgeons use it. if there are problems, few have the skills needed to solve them, particularly with in the nhs. what is it like to remove mesh? it's rarely very difficult because the mesh is growing into the tissue, the material becomes so stiff, so sharp that you can nearly hurt yourself if you touch the edge. dr ulrike muschaweck is a leading
hernia surgeon in the private sector and has carried out 27,000 repairs. she mainly uses a suture technique instead of mesh but fears her referred method is dying out because young surgeons are rarely taught it. of all the patients i have done so far, it's 80% without mesh and only 20% with mesh. and why do you do that? because i see so many patients with problems after a mesh repair. i have done more than 3000 mesh removals because of chronic pain. she says and 99.9% of these removals have been a success. i only have two patients so far who didn't become pain—free after mesh removal. out of 3000? yes. we started looking into complications with hernia mesh repairs about 15 months ago. back then, surgeons who remove the mesh back then, surgeons who remove the mesh told us they believe thousands of people were living with chronic pain. the risks of a poor outcome
are so bad that i wouldn't want to take that risk. since then, i've spoken to more than 150 people who say the procedure has ruined their life. david ellis's situation was particularly shocking because the type of mesh used for his hernia repair is now the subject of more than 1300 lawsuits in the us, though there are currently none in the uk. dear mr ellis, having looked through your notes, i can confirm that the mesh used was an ethicon physiomesh. two years after david's operation, ethicon voluntarily recalled physiomesh in 2016. major studies had found it was prone to higher complication rates when used for keyhole surgery. david has been told there's a 50% chance that removing his mesh will make things even worse and he can't afford to go private. just so you are aware,
due to the pain i am experiencing... feeling like he had nowhere else to turn, last year david desperately reached out to the manufacturer of physiomesh — johnson &johnson. i have contemplated ending my life on several occasions due to the pain, lack of sleep, feeling worthless and depression. i need help, not silence. regards, david. reading the e—mail takes david back to a very dark place but after a few minutes, he said he wanted us to hear the reply. as a medical device company, we are unable to offer you any medical advice, although i would strongly recommend that you seek urgent medical attention in relation to the way you are currently feeling. johnson &johnson says it's confident it acted appropriately and responsibly in the research, development and marketing of physiomesh. it adds it continually monitors the performance of all of its products, including complaints.
you take your car to a garage, it's got a faulty engine, you know, they say, we will take the engine out and put a new one in. and if they stick a faulty engine in again, that's not right, isn't it? but you can get that sorted out. with me, with others, you can't get it sorted out. the uk's regulatorfor medical devices is the mhra. it's told us it has no evidence which would alter its stance on surgical mesh for hernia repairs. david, however, would consider himself evidence. he can't even hold his granddaughter now. he'sjust not our dad as we know him. i'm still in here somewhere. i don't like to say that to you because i don't want to bring you down even further. when you're underground, you can't go any lower. you know that we're always here for you. yeah.
oh, dear me. here in the studio some people who can very much relate to david's story. adele yemm has had both a hernia mesh repair and a vaginal mesh repair in a 13—year period. she says her health has seriously suffered. sophie ward used to be an elite gb swimmer and was expected to go to the 2012 olympics in london until she had key—hole hernia mesh surgery when she was 13. harry nicola is trying to save up thousands of pounds to have his hernia
mesh removed privately. he says at points he has been near suicidal because of the pain. helen is harry s partner. she has seen firsthand how much his poor health is affecting him and his loved ones. and john ware had a hernia mesh repair 10 years ago and now uses nerve—blocking injections multiple times a day to get by. also with us is nick markham a consultant surgeon who sits on the royal college of surgeons. and founder of the sling the mesh campaign kath sansom joins us, her campaign has successfully campagined to get vaginal mesh implants banned. we're going to spend the next few minutes talking to patients. crimewatch this flimsy little piece of material, mesh, how has it affected your life in the last decade? i have got to go quiet,
because it is something that is quite the and if you are not going through it, it is hard to understand it. you are constantly in pain. i am sat here now, i am in pain, ifeel like something is being deep into me, ifeel like like something is being deep into me, ifeellikei like something is being deep into me, i feel like i want to collapse, i feel that ill, i me, i feel like i want to collapse, ifeel that ill, i can't me, i feel like i want to collapse, i feel that ill, i can't sleep, struggling to work, i can't even smile anymore, it is very difficult, it has been pain, spending money on therapies, £5,000 on reflexology. physiotherapists. six, seven surgeons. i have had steroid injections, medications, constantly been waking up through the night, two or three times during the night. different things happen to your body. in the position where it is. you feel different sensations. it is on my left side. under the muscle.
so you have many things there, you have arteries, testicles, somatic board, this is how it is, i have got to say these words... i don't want to say these words... i don't want to put words into your mouth, would you say it has ruined your life? 100%. -- you say it has ruined your life? 100%. —— spermatic horde. 100%, of course. me, iwas 100%. —— spermatic horde. 100%, of course. me, i was one of the people who was constantly working, i am a biker, a runner, a swimmer. ifeel like i have not slept properly for over 12 years. without any kind of medication. you feel ill. you feel ill. it is true to say you have had some very dark thoughts about potentially taking your own life. some very dark thoughts about potentially taking your own lifelj have to say, yes, there is people watching the tv that probably know
me, i don't want to say this for people to hear my pain or feel sorry for me, but there is over 170,000 people out there, this is serious, this is not a joke. you have got partners, children, you need to work. life is hard enough as it is. having a piece of plastic that is made out of bottles, for the love of god, let's be honest, there's be honest, we have got to be honest, and putting it in people, especially in an area, in certain areas where it is difficult to remove. why would you do that? i am upset, i have listened to everyone's story here, andi listened to everyone's story here, and i am upset. it isjust upsetting. i know sometimes you are told you need to use hernia mesh in certain areas if the hernia is really big, but there is no point for a centimetre hernia, to put ten, 15 centimetres, it is disgusting,
i'm sorry, but it is disgusting. don't apologise, don't apologise. inside you right now, is vaginal mesh. hopefully not much. you have had it in since 2005, what has it been like? i have had quite a different experience, it has been more of a covert change in my health, so more undercover, affecting my immune system. initially what happened, within the first month of having it per tin i developed the night sweats and i would literally soak the bed. we have just got rid of the mattress and it is almost like getting rid of the disgusting piece of me. i know it sounds really horrid, but i sweated through the bed every night for over a year. and the gp, when i
went to see her, i was so worried i was having an early menopause aged 31 and they did the test and said, you are fine, don't worry about that. but they never found a reason for it. because i recently started a newjob she suggested i was stressed due to my newjob. ijust thought 0k, fairenough. but due to my newjob. ijust thought 0k, fair enough. but i didn't feel that stressed. so i thought maybe it was. but a year later after getting married, we were trying for a family and found i could not get pregnant. i had and found i could not get pregnant. ihad immune and found i could not get pregnant. i had immune testing and was found i had a high count which implicated in miscarriage and infertility. i began a journey of immune suppressant therapy and fell pregnant the first time after my immune system came down to normal levels. and then after having my first child i
started developing strange allergies. my eczema got out of control, my hands looked like someone control, my hands looked like someone had slashed them with a knife. is old this to do with the hernia mesh? i was piecing it together and looked at what happened over the last 12 to 13 years and it was all immune related. the cuts on my hands are wooden heel and i was on antibiotic creams, taping my hands every night, so i couldn't scratch my eczema up to my elbows all over my hands. then i was found to have milk intolerance and then paraben allergies, formaldehyde allergies, pet allergies, these things i have never had before. you don't know it is because of the mesh for the hernia? no, but i am piecing it together. at this point in time i
don't know, i am just going back and looking retrospectively. it is easy to piece it together and began to get worse with more allergies and more intolerances, feeling unwell, fatigue. then i had a vaginal mesh potted and the symptoms of allergy and pain came into the fourth.|j potted and the symptoms of allergy and pain came into the fourth. i am to pause you there because i want to bring in sophie. you got in touch with the programme after we did a report about the hernia mesh in 2017. you were 13 when you had your repair, what was going on in your life the year before and after the operation? i had been sued the european olympics and competed for great britain in swimming. i came back, got back into training and i got this pain. i trained the two months with the hernia and then diagnosed it as an umbilical hernia, which they operated on immediately.
ten days out of the pool, stitches out and straight into training. i felt fine. i had a few sleepless nights, so i thanked god i was out of paying for the first time. when i got into training, i started with the pain, aching all the time and it never left me. it turns to stabbing pains whenl never left me. it turns to stabbing pains when i do too much walking or exercise. i trained the two years almost with the pain and got to the where slowly i was hardly in the because i couldn't do it any more. my body wasn't bouncing back the same. the treatment wasn't working. is it down to the mesh and if you think it is, why do you think it is? obviously i had the pain with the hernia. i was out of pain to two months and then it came back. but i hadn't done anything else. that was
the only surgery or injury i had had. it snowballed from there. you haven't been able to pursue your dream? no, i had to give it up two years later because i was on the london 2012 programme. it was my dream andl london 2012 programme. it was my dream and i had worked so hard. it was my life. you have to give your life to swimming so much because of the hours he put in. so when i stop, ididn't the hours he put in. so when i stop, i didn'tjust the hours he put in. so when i stop, i didn't just lose the hours he put in. so when i stop, i didn'tjust lose my career, i lost myself. so i thought, what do i do now? and when you feel so ill, you cannot do anything. you go from doing 24 hours of training a week to barely being able to walk around the supermarket. is that the case? you came here using a wheelchair today and you cannot walk around the supermarket? no, i have to sit down. how old are you? i am 24. it has
changed my life dramatically. john, like sophie, you got in touch with the programme and how aware where you of your hernia mesh before you saw the programme? massively, i went into hospital in 2019, a 3rd of june. came out, told to rest for two weeks and then he will be all right, don't overstretch and everything. on day ten, went to the side, picked up my water and it ripped open with infection. went back in and had another couple of nights in hospital on antibiotics. i had an open wound to let the infection go out for 28 days with a nurse coming in every days with a nurse coming in every day and packing it. after it closed, i was still in horrendous pain. i
said, have you left something in? i we nt said, have you left something in? i went in fora said, have you left something in? i went in for a scan. they said there is nothing left in, but i couldn't move. so i went back in for surgery and they trimmed it but said it had attached to the inside, so it had cove red attached to the inside, so it had covered the hernia hole, but i have the solid, sharp lump. so when i move, it rips across down into my groin and into my right testicle. they trimmed it, did it, rested again after but then it ripped open again after but then it ripped open again and caused infection. another 28 days waiting for it to grow out and thenl 28 days waiting for it to grow out and then i didn't go back to the army untiljust to see a doctor, on the 10th of november from the 3rd of june. my boss, because i haven't used any leave, filled it all in and
ididn't go used any leave, filled it all in and i didn't go back to work until march from having routine hernia surgery. what about now, you have to use these nerve blocking injections to manage the pain? yes, it started off every six months and now it is down to every four months. if it is late, lam to every four months. if it is late, i am crippled with pain from it. i had it on thursday, so you drop your metastases to see how well it has worked. you kind of go cold turkey on your metastases to see how it is working. i on your metastases to see how it is working. lam on your metastases to see how it is working. i am in on your metastases to see how it is working. lam in pain on your metastases to see how it is working. i am in pain now. harry described it in his way, how would you describe the pain you are feeling? it is a sharp pain all the time. depending on how you move, it's not always the same. if i bend down and touch my toes, it's not in the same movement, so it feels like it is ripping and burning. it gets deeper into my groin and through the day, it gets to my right testicle
and it feels like it is being crushed and pulled off, to be honest. at the end of the day, that is how it is. gosh. on thursday when i had my nerve block, they suggested they will phone me up on the 15th of novemberand they will phone me up on the 15th of november and have a spinal implant put in, nerve block, so it is they're constantly. it would be a temporary thing. i have onlyjust started the research because i only heard about it on thursday. temporary at first, wires into your spinal column, external power source and then if you get good results from it, they fixed it in permanently, wires in and you either have the power source into your buttock or your chest. have the power source into your buttock or your chestlj have the power source into your
buttock or your chest. i suggest the pain, feeling like it is pulling your testicle off, there will be meant having a sharp intake of breath because it sounded absolutely excruciating. helen, you are harry's partner. i wonder, excruciating. helen, you are harry's partner. iwonder, we excruciating. helen, you are harry's partner. i wonder, we will talk more about this after our second report coming up, but from your point of view, what is it like watching someone you love view, what is it like watching someone you love experience physical pain and mental pain because of the hernia mesh? you feel helpless, you wa nt to hernia mesh? you feel helpless, you want to help him, but you don't know how to. every day you have got to be positive. you need to be the positive. you need to be the positive one for him, but together, iam positive one for him, but together, i am trying to find somebody to solve this problem for him. it is not fair. we have been together to different surgeons and i just feel that harry is not being heard or
they don't believe him, or he is crazy or something. ijust they don't believe him, or he is crazy or something. i just feel like iam happy crazy or something. i just feel like i am happy he is being given this opportunity to voice how he feels and it is amazing to meet these people as well. ok, we will talk more ina people as well. ok, we will talk more in a moment. earlier our reporter brought you david's story, one man's experience of mesh complications and you have heard more from our guests today, live in the studio. what is the wider picture? this programme revealed last year that 800 women who suffered complications from vaginal mesh implants were taking action against the nhs and manufacturers. vaginal implants are now subject to a temporary ban but the department of health and the regulator still say using mesh for hernia is it slave. why? what do all these people
have in common? hernias, surgery, chronic pain, difficulties walking, pain clinics. not being believed. lost jobs. pain clinics. not being believed. lostjobs. relationship pain clinics. not being believed. lost jobs. relationship breakdowns. isolation, depression, suicidal thoughts, mesh. i do whatl isolation, depression, suicidal thoughts, mesh. i do what i can to avoid sitting for too long or reaching and bending. what is that? it is actually for litter picking. the if eye drops a soccer something, it is this because then i do catch to nerve in my hip. how old are you? 34. how does it feel having to use
that to pick up a sock?|j 34. how does it feel having to use that to pick up a sock? i was so active and i was running around commuting, travelling and working, kayaking and skiing. 0utdoor swimming and now i cannot pick up a sock from the floor. i try not to let it get me down too much but there are times i could scream, it is maddening. i couldn't stand up straight and it hurt all the time. jen and her family paid for her two large pieces of mesh to be removed because they feel it would take years on the nhs. this is the moment some of it was taken out. i want everybody to cheer
ina taken out. i want everybody to cheer in a moment. the mesh may have been taken out in a moment. the mesh may have been ta ken out but in a moment. the mesh may have been taken out but she still has issues, even lifting a kettle to make a cup of tea can heard, but overall her ability and pain level has improved. luckilyjen's boss allows her to work from her parent's sofa, which is less painful. and she works for a campaign group which helps people who experience pain from mesh implants. i have kept a tally and these are people who found me on facebook and message me to say they had hernia mesh implants and they are ina had hernia mesh implants and they are in a lot of pain. there is younger people, there is a girl who was only 23. hello, how are you doing? well we are chatting, one of the many people she is helping calls for advice. how are you getting on with your hernia mesh. take care.
she says this happens a lot. totally sad, it goes to show that there isn't the support people need. complications linked to vagina mesh repairs has been called the biggest medical scandal since thalidomide. the implants were used to treat incontinence and prolapse at someone and complained they cut into tissue and were living in agony. the procedure has now been partly suspended on the nhs and a review is under way. we've come to meet one of the surgeons who is instrumental in making that happen. there's already a review into vaginal mesh. do you think there should be a similar one for things like hernias? definitely. i think it's the most important thing about all the meshes is to just remember it's the same product. it's just put in different places, different sizes, different shapes but it's the same product. so if it's causing a problem in one area, it's likely to be causing a problem in another area, and it might havejust been under the radar the whole time.
based on years of experience, doctor o'neill has shared with us how much she believes it'll cost to treat those affected by vaginal mesh complications. it is thought to be around 20,000 women. based on figures i'm aware of, it's going to be about 25, 30,000. actually it's much higher than i had anticipated initially. per woman? per woman. so after some basic maths, i think that comes to 500 million. it does look like that, yes. who should be covering this cost? it's a good question. i think the manufacturers have got a very critical role here. they need to look at this because they have not done the job they should do. and if the manufacturers don't step up to the plate, and so far they haven't, it's the nhs, isn't it? it is, yeah. and that £500 million isjust for vaginal mesh complications. doctor o'neill believes treating issues with hernia mesh repair is could also cost £25,000 per patient. we found that in the past three years in england,
286,000 people have had a hernia mesh repairs. as we mentioned earlier, we don't know the hernia mesh complication rate but leading surgeons believe it's between 12 and 30%. that means tens of thousands of people in the past three years alone could be affected. that's a huge number. and if all of them need management, notjust pain management but other surgical management, this is a huge cost to the nhs. after this interview, we discovered the nhs had covered out even more hernia mesh repairs than we originally thought. as we mentioned earlier, almost 570,000 operations in england in the past six years alone. up to 170,000 patients could be affected. based on doctor o'neill will‘s findings, the cost of covering hernia mesh complications could be more than £4 billion. so who will end up coughing up the cash? after months of investigating, we've come to westminster to meet
with the chair of the all—party parliamentary group on surgical mesh implants. hundreds of contacted our programme about this and wanted to share some of their experiences. how many are there? that's 95. what i've got from doctors were i've asked these questions previously is they don't think the incidence of complications is as great with hernia mesh and they don't think that there are that many alternatives. the problem is, those are precisely the arguments that are being deployed by the clinicians and the companies to defend the use of tvt vaginal mesh. and my worry is that we potentially have another scandal on our hands with hernia mesh. we wanted to know what 0wen thought of the mhra whose job it is to ensure medical devices are safe.
are they doing enough to be across what is going on? no, quite simply they are not. but the truth is it reflects the flawed system that we have in place that neither the regulators, nor the manufacturers have to follow up on problems. ultimately the companies have to take some responsibility for this. it's not good enough to fire and forget, give this to the nhs, get the nhs to use it and then they walk away with the nhs carrying any liability because ultimately it would be the nhs. we are going to end the story where we started, with david. we've just come for a little walk because that's all you can manage now, isn't it? yes. i used to walk quite quickly. my wife had trouble keeping up with me. and now it's quite noticeable that she actually has to wait for me. i don't feel i have much of a future. they say i have to pick myself up but i don't think i can. and that's the truth, i don't think i can. it's embarrassing for me.
you shouldn't be embarrassed. but i am. iam. look at the size of me. you know, i'm a big bloke, i've always been strong, i've always looked after everybody else and i can't do that. i can't even hold my granddaughter, for god's sake. i'm sorry, i shouldn't get upset again but... david, please don't apologise. really upsetting, people watching in the studio were very moved by david's story, as you would expect, we asked for an interview or a
statement from the department of health, we did that on the 6th of september, after weeks of requesting one, we still have not got a statement. we also requested an interview with the mhr rate, which moderates and regulates health care in the uk, and with nice, they both declined, mhra said: our guests are still here. and alsojoining us is dr lisa cameron, she is an mp for the scottish national party and a member of the health select committee. general surgeon jonathan wilson is with us, too, regularly carries out hernia mesh repairs. and we are joined and we arejoined by nick and we are joined by nick markham and we are joined by nick markham and kat sampson. jonathan, nick, how do you react to david's story and the stories we have heard about hernia mesh and what it has done to
people's lives? do you want me to go first? as a surgeon, i listen to the stories these folk have told, i look at the film, and i feel distressed, andi at the film, and i feel distressed, and i would wish to apologise for the fact that everybody has suffered in the way they have, because we are not ina in the way they have, because we are not in a business where we intend to create suffering, we are trying every day that we work to create better health for patients, we take great pride in what we do. i think we need to recognise that every operation, no matter who does it, where it is done, how carefully, will have complications, potentially, and we need to have these honest discussions with patients before we undertake surgery to make sure they realise there are risks. let me ask you, did any of you have a conversation with your surgeon you have a conversation with your surgeon about the potential risks of mesh for hernias? no, no. iwas
surgeon about the potential risks of mesh for hernias? no, no. i was even told that mine would dissolve, that the tissue would grow through it and once it had done itsjob, it would dissolve. the surgeon told me that, but it is definitely still there. that, too, is distressing to hear, that should not be the case. that is shocking, that is notjust upsetting, it is outrageous. as a surgeon, upsetting, it is outrageous. as a surgeon, i would say, i would not wa nt to surgeon, i would say, i would not want to be part of a practice that did this to patients, in other words, if i was recognising, as many complications we are seeing in this programme, in my daily practice, why would stop —— i would stop, i would not do it, i have probably done 4000, 5000 mesh repairs in the groin over 25 years, i have had problems and convocations, we all do, but i
have not had the frequency of complications that you have been demonstrating here, and... ifi complications that you have been demonstrating here, and... if i had, i would have stopped. that could be for all sorts of reasons, people are told by gps, there is nothing wrong with you, it is in your head, or they do not go back to their original surgeon. they do not go back to their originalsurgeon. people they do not go back to their original surgeon. people do not know that it original surgeon. people do not know thatitis original surgeon. people do not know that it is the mesh. i'm not sure we can be absolutely certain it is the mesh, there are big studies that looked at lots of other analyses of work done and with hernia repairs and have shown that actually, there isn't a great deal of difference across europe, at least, between mesh and non—mesh repairs. across europe, at least, between mesh and non-mesh repairs. how do you respond to that? personally, i have heard this comment before, and at the end of the day, it is a piece of plastic, i'm not a surgeon but you don't put something like this in
a sensitive area in the groin, you are right, it is possible that you do have a hernia operation without a mesh and you may still have complications but you are a surgeon, you use it now, is that correct? do you use it now, is that correct? do you have a son, a daughter, do you have children? would you put it in your child? i would not be allowed to put it in my own children, but i would allow my child to have a hernia mesh repair, yes. you would allow your child to receive a mesh from a surgeon, allow your child to receive a mesh from a surgeon, you allow your child to receive a mesh from a surgeon, you would put this material in your child? in your child? even after hearing this? would you do that? i think what i said was, i would not want to be pa rt said was, i would not want to be part ofan said was, i would not want to be part of an organisation, a practice, that did hernia repairs, if this was the typical result of what we do. but it is not, in my opinion, and i don't know, but i know, as one talks
to colleagues, you don't get the impression that in the vast majority of cases there are these problems, but there clearly are sometimes and they are very regrettable. just to let you know, we are getting dozens and dozens and dozens of messages from people watching today who are watching for the first time and thinking, it could be my hernia mesh thatis thinking, it could be my hernia mesh that is causing me these problems. some of the conversations we are having will be very familiar to you and also to myself because we heard the same statements from the authorities, and with respect from some surgeons about vaginal mesh. talking about the studies, a lot of them have flawed quality of life questionnaires, a lot of the time they may ask the patient, has it fixed the hernia? yes, therefore, you are a success, because fixed the hernia? yes, therefore, you are a success, because they have not asked: have you new onset pain?
are you suffering infection? if you are not answering the questions, you are not answering the questions, you are not answering the questions, you are not getting the answers you need. a lot of the studies are flawed for that reason, a lot of them have small cohorts and short—term follow—up, in the third year, you follow people up for only three months, you would not this is early know they are having a really awful time, years down the line, thatis awful time, years down the line, that is the same as the vaginal mesh implant scandal. when you present, as vaginal mesh patients, two gps, luckily i had a superb gp who believed me and understood what was going on but a lot of people are made to feel they are going a bit mad, made to feel that you are obviouslyjust a bit of 80 wuss and not dealing with pain. —— bit of a wuss. back and falls to gp surgeries, they never even get to the original implant in surgeon and then when they do get there, if they
are lucky enough to get to the original surgeon, they will then probably deny it is the mesh causing the problem and they will claim studies that have proven hernia mesh is effective and i will say every time, we are not talking about efficacy, we are talking about reruns of pain and infection, inflammatory response, loss of sex life, as a result of a simple operation. lets be honest, plenty of people have had mesh for a hernia and it has worked, but are these people with their stories worth all the other people for whom it has worked? that the other people for whom it has worked ? that is the other people for whom it has worked? that is the question we asked. would you call for a re—view now, into the use of mesh for hernia repairs? it is certainly something that i will now be bringing up with the health and social care select committee, when we return to
parliament after recess. should there be a review? we should be looking at evidence, writing to nice and holding an enquiry in ourupcoming writing to nice and holding an enquiry in our upcoming work schedule and that is something i will be recommending having listened to the accounts today, which are very distressing and the lives of the people who have spoken. they are attributing it to the mesh and they are saying their lives have been significantly impacted. we even heard from someone who had lost their hopes and dreams in terms of sporting achievements. impacting significantly on lives. the other issueis significantly on lives. the other issue is we don't have the data that issue is we don't have the data that is needed. that seems to be coming across that studies are not collecting that, the care pathway for patients isn't long enough and we don't know what is happening over
the longer term. in the short term, perhaps the operation might look like a success but the long—term ramifications for patients could be different and we are not picking up the data. jonathan wilson, you are a surgeon the data. jonathan wilson, you are a surgeon who carries out hernia mesh repairs. you have heard what your colleague has come he has not seen people present with complications in the way that we have shown people definitely are this morning. what is your experience? hello, victoria. i would agree with a lot that mr markham has been talking about, surgeons are guided by both their own personal practice experiences and the evidence available. in my practice, i simply don't see people coming in with debilitating mesh complications. but having said that, within the constraints of the nhs a follow—up practice, we are allowed to see people perhaps once, usually earlier than three months, the six
to eight interval, when the definition of chronic pain is three months and beyond. i think that has been brought out by several of your people, but we don't know the extent of the problem because we are not looking for it. you are saying if you followed up your patience after six months, 12 months or 18 months, you might have different outcomes? it is possible. your documentary says we are doing almost 100,000 mesh repairs a year and have done so for well over 15 years. so there is longer tube data available and the studies are all flawed. we all agree on that. we're not seeing a crescendo of fact in the same way we saw with the vaginal mesh story. they are slightly different entities, but the honest answer is, the evidence available to us at the
moment, in fact there is a cochrane systematic review published this month shows no demonstrable difference between mesh repairs and non—mesh repairs. difference between mesh repairs and non-mesh repairs. my understanding is that review was specifically a review into whether there was a rear carers of the hernia, so it's not about complications? that is incorrect. it looks about chronic pain, wound infection and lots of different parameters. at least eight to ten parameters and the salient point as far as your interview goes is around the pain issue. they did not demonstrate any difference between mesh and non—mesh repairs. givena between mesh and non—mesh repairs. given a lot of these studies the systematic review looks at our potentially flawed, i don't think there is much benefit in further reviews looking backwards. what we
need are randomised controlled trials comparing mesh repair with the likes of the other repairs. as farasi the likes of the other repairs. as faras i am the likes of the other repairs. as far as i am aware, those randomised controlled trials don't exist as of yet. why do you think it isn't happening? where the majority of the other repairs, it is in the clinic in canada where they do relatively few mesh repairs. i suspect they would feel there is an element of bias or non—equipoise towards doing that randomised controlled trials if they don't believe in mesh. let me ask you, the figures we are revealing today suggesting over 100,000 people could have complications from hernia mesh repairs, how do you react to those figures? i am shocked and horrified to think of patients, i second what
mr markham has to think of patients, i second what mrmarkham has said. to think of patients, i second what mr markham has said. i get up every morning to help people, it is what i do and what i get great enjoyment from seeing positive effects of surgery. from seeing positive effects of surgery. i hate seeing complications. every implant operation, whether it is cardiac implants, hip replacements there is a recognised risk of complication, rejection of the implant and serious complications. when we put an implant in, we are aware that in rare situations you can get serious complications, so it horrifies me to think there is an issue out there thatis think there is an issue out there that is underreported and not recognised by the profession. looking at previous studies, i don't think it takes us any further. there are good level one systematic reviews available, not showing a significant difference. we need to look at it in a different way. would
you agree with that, mr markham?” would, very well put. your final thoughts, the mp is saying she will talk to her colleagues on the health select committee in doing some work on this and calling for a review into this. you have heard what the surgeons have said, how do you respond, sophie? we want an apology because our lives have been taken and affected and we want someone to apologise and not let it go on affecting other people if we can stop it orfind an affecting other people if we can stop it or find an alternative way of doing mesh repairs without the mesh, then that is what we will fight for. i did see the second surgeon fight for. i did see the second surgeon and he said it was the mesh, he trimmed it down but couldn't get it off work it had attached inside. very difficult to extract. that was
within months of the initial treatment and i have asked for that to be removed and now ten years on, i saw somebody last year and he said, no chance, forthe i saw somebody last year and he said, no chance, for the trauma that would be left afterwards. i was put on the blocks from when i could walk again. which was months later. harry? what can i say? even the gentleman, i don't mean to attack anybody, but this is like, it is very serious. we are abandoned. there is a lot of us and the thing that worries me, the cost is so high for something to be dealt with where you know there is going to be an issue. this is what worries me because this is something you can live with for four years, six years, ten years. how long can you go with this? i believe, you heard the numbers, at least find a surgeon in
the uk, if we can, if not, there are surgeons in germany, i have met with them and they are willing to do this, at least get 200, 300 who are willing to go forward and have an operation with the risks. but let's ta ke operation with the risks. but let's take the risks with the best. if you cannot fund us for everything, give us half and we will put the other half. 7000, 10,000 to have this done. paying privately? privately, i found a surgeon in germany, i went through the funding to try and get funding, i have met with the surgeon andy has removed mesh for over ten years and explained what has gone into my body. and they want it for me. they want for me to have this operation abroad. they said they would fund me in uk to the have this on the nhs. but nobody on the nhs has experience in taking mesh. if
there is, show me. iwent has experience in taking mesh. if there is, show me. i went to london to see another surgeon. if i need to pay privately, that is it. sorry, i can feel your frustration. this is for everybody. it has got to be done. i agree with the doctors, more research is needed and i am concerned we have not looked at studies in more detail what happens when you put plastic inside the body, what the oxidisation process happens to it, the chemicals released once prodded properly and is released in the body, how it affects the gut and the liver and i have a serious lifelong condition with my immune system as a result. my with my immune system as a result. my body is full of histamine and i cannot get rid of it because the enzymes are not in my stomach any more. i believe it is caused by mesh. but i cannot prove it. i would
like some research to go into looking at that and i have read many studies on the hernia mesh and they all conclude the immune response goes on longer than the expected period of time and we should look at this further and then there is no further research. final thoughts from you? hernia scans the prepared using native tissue can sutures. the reason if is not done this because a lot of surgeons in the uk and globally have lost those skills. and also it doesn't make profits for the medical device companies who aggressively market plastic hernia mesh. would you like to see it banned? i would like to see a suspension while there is an independent safety review. thank you all for giving up your time this morning. can i say one thing before we leave? when i spoke to the surgeon we leave? when i spoke to the surgeon in london, when he took the mesh abby sent them to the lavatory to check them. i can't remember what
he said that it was full of black micro organisms, the body was rejecting it and he stop using it immediately. i respect that gentleman, he immediately stop using it. we will follow your stories, if thatis it. we will follow your stories, if that is ok with you. thank you for coming on the programme. and thank you to jonathan coming on the programme. and thank you tojonathan wilson and lisa cameron. bill cosby has beenjailed forup to cameron. bill cosby has beenjailed for up to ten years for raping and sexually assaulting women. we will talk to another victim soon. but first the weather. it started off this morning with lots of sunshine across the south. this was the scene in west sussex. further north we have had more cloud and you conceive a satellite picture, clear skies in the south, more cloud in the north, streaming in off the atlantic. 16
degrees in the north, only three celsius in the south. across northern areas, it is like this, this is midlothian and we have had patchy rain and drizzle. it will continue in northern and western scotla nd continue in northern and western scotland during this afternoon. brightness towards eastern scotland but the best of the sunshine is the further south you go. it is going to feel warm this afternoon with the sunshine. temperatures getting up to about 21, 20 two celsius. further north, it will feel pretty warm, 17 to 20 degrees even with the cloud and rain. this evening and tonight outbreaks of rain and cloud across northern and western areas of scotla nd northern and western areas of scotland in particular. further south a bit of cloud of times but lots of clear spells and chilly across southern parts whereas northern areas will remain mild temperatures no lower than 12 to 14. during thursday, still the rain and cloud across scotland and northern ireland and it will break up as it
goes through the day. brighter skies coming through. lots of sunshine for england and wales. we will continue with the warmth across the south—east of further north it will turn chilly because temperatures will be 15 or 16 celsius compared to the pretty warmth of the time of year, 23 degrees. as we go through into friday, the cold air towards the north will gradually move its way south with this weather front. this area of high pressure means the airwill this area of high pressure means the air will come this area of high pressure means the airwill come in this area of high pressure means the air will come in from the north—west and you can see the blue—collar, just losing further south across most of friday. a different feeling day. we use the cloud across the south. lots of sunshine throughout the day on friday. fairweather cloud developing but temperatures will be down. still 15 or 16 degrees in the north but down towards the south, compared to the 23 tomorrow, only 16 degrees on friday. that is how we go
into the weekend, temperatures around the mid to high teens. lots of fine and settled weather over the weekend with some sunny spells. as many as 170,000 people in england alone could be facing convocations after hernia mesh implants, an investigation has discovered, patients have told us they have been left with chronic health problems, depression and suicidal thoughts. summary timesi depression and suicidal thoughts. summary times i have come close to ending it because of the pain. regulators insist that using mesh is safe. we have heard from people this morning who would disagree, saying they are struggling with debilitating pain. i am in pain, i feel like something is digging in me,| feel like something is digging in me, i feel like i want to collapse,
i feel that ill, i can't sleep, i am struggling to work. initially what happened was within the first two months of having it put in, i developed night sweats, i would soak the bed. we have just got rid of the mattress and it is like getting rid of disgusting piece of meat. sharp pain, all the time. it is not always the same, it feels like it is ripping and burning and gets deeper into my groin. an mp on the health select committee at westminster has said she will look into the findings. a leading surgeon says this: i feel distress, and findings. a leading surgeon says this: ifeel distress, and i would wish to apologise for the fact that everybody has suffered in the way they have. we are not in a business where we intend to create suffering. we have had so many messages from new st. louis you have experienced convocations, get in touch and tell a short own experiences, we will share more before 11pm.
0ne one of 0ne ofjeremy one of jeremy corbyn's 0ne ofjeremy corbyn's mps has called for a general strike if there is no general election. we must topple this cruel and callous tory government as topple this cruel and callous tory government as soon as we can and topple this cruel and callous tory government as soon as we can and if we cannot get a general election, we should organise with our brothers and sisters in the trade unions to bring an end to this government with a general strike. here's annita mcveigh is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the days news. labour leaderjeremy corbyn will close the party's conference later with a speech in liverpool. he will focus on the economy, denouncing what he'll call "greed—is—good capitalism". but the event's largely been dominated by discussion over the party's stand on brexit. you can see his speech live on the new channel at 12:15pm. the american entertainer,
bill cosby, has started a prison sentence of between three and ten years after a judge labelled him a sexually violent predator. the judge branded the 81—year—old a "sexually violent predator" before sentencing him for between three and ten years. lawyers for cosby have already said they'll appeal. around 60 other women made similar allegations, but because of time limits, their cases couldn't be heard. girlguiding has defended its decision to allow transgender members and leaders after it expelled two volunteers who objected to the policy. one of the expelled volunteers said girls had a right to female—only spaces. but girlguiding says including people who identify as female does not put girls at risk. there are reports that a beluga whale spotted in the river thames in kent yesterday has resurfaced in the same place. it was seen swimming in the river near gravesend yesterday afternoon. rescue teams are on standby in case the whale, which usually lives in the arctic, gets into danger. beluga whales are usually found in artic waters and they were last spotted in the uk three years ago.
that's a summary of the latest bbc news. we are going to talk to somebody live in gravesend about the resurfacing of the beluga whale, before then, please, come up with a name for said whale! do get in touch with us throughout the morning, use the hashtag victoria live. if you re emailing and are happy for us to contact you, and maybe want to take part in the programme, please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you ll be charged at the standard network rate. labour leaderjeremy corbyn will address his party conference this afternoon, with a promise to create 400,000 new greenjobs. it's one of a number of policies the party's leadership has announced this week — incuding plans to force large companies to to give staff1 percent of their shares a year, and renationalise the water industry. 0ur political guru norman
smith is in liverpool. people piling in for the big speech, i have my cap ready for the big occasion, jeremy corbyn asking eve ryo ne occasion, jeremy corbyn asking everyone to wear one of these, i'm thinking i will not get away with that, jeremy corbyn is going to tackle what we might call gordon gecko capitalism, remember the 19805 film wall street, greed i5 gecko capitalism, remember the 19805 film wall street, greed is good, greed i5 film wall street, greed is good, greed is right, greed works. jeremy corbyn will say that labour will close the door on that sort of capitalism which led to the crash in 2008. -- capitalism which led to the crash in 2008. —— gordon gekko. let's be honest, this message will go down hugely well in the party because in some ways, this party has almost become ajeremy some ways, this party has almost become a jeremy corbyn fanclub, here he was arriving at last night's daily mirror party. i'm not going to dance...! daily mirror party. i'm not going to dance. . .! laughter booing well, that is a sign of unity,
thanks a lot! laughter i don't know if you could hear the booing, probably the only time he has not been criticised for not indulging ina has not been criticised for not indulging in a bit of dad5 dancing, you have been in the labour party for more than 20 years, how far has this party changed underjeremy corbyn? over the years labour has always had innovative policies and driven the way forward but with jeremy corbyn on board, first the membership has exploded, over half a million members now all engaged in the party, at local level, that is where the party has its roots, but also, jeremy putting out a message of hope, such a warm person, people, people saw how he has a natural instinct to connect to people and bring people close to him because of the things he fights for and the things he believes in. personal attraction he seems to have, is it
wise to present himself as closing the door on the tony blair and gordon brown year5, the door on the tony blair and gordon brown years, because many people would say, actually, i quite liked tony blair, he got elected three times, introduced the minimum wage, peace in northern ireland, record investment in the nhs, is it sensible to define yourself by not being tony blair gordon brown? he is not tony blair, you are right, labourdid not tony blair, you are right, labour did amazing things, northern ireland is the thing we think about, peace to a situation which had been in conflict for many decades. this isa in conflict for many decades. this is a new error, politics is in a different place to how it was in 1997 and today jeremy different place to how it was in 1997 and todayjeremy corbyn is putting forward the solutions and policies which will address the problems of society today. one of the things that has run through four decades now, growing inequality in this society, that is what is a real passionjeremy's, to this society, that is what is a real passion jeremy's, to close this society, that is what is a real passionjeremy's, to close gaps across the divide in our country. you can see that as a message that energi5e5 people here. you can see that as a message that energises people here. what about
outside the conference hall, that has to be his real audience. the economic system has been broken, we have record levels of employment, a lot of people doing 0k. have record levels of employment, a lot of people doing ok. a lot of people are not. the policies he is advocating is about bringing the policies together, that is the most important thing you can do, a divided country isa thing you can do, a divided country is a dangerous place to be. there had been a lot of talk about how he has attracted in younger voters, the average age of a labour party member i5 average age of a labour party member is somewhere in the 605, i have seen reports, how is that, that is an elderly party. young people often don'tjoin but they elderly party. young people often don't join but they are part elderly party. young people often don'tjoin but they are part of elderly party. young people often don't join but they are part of a wider movement, this is a movement thatis wider movement, this is a movement that is inclusive, but people are joining the labour party, we have
seen an joining the labour party, we have seen an explosion in the movement, something that gives them hope, and their communities and their neighbours, to know that there is a future that can be built on sound policies, fiscally responsible. to ta ke policies, fiscally responsible. to take our country forward. we're joined now by two life—long labour supporters who have very different opinions on the current leader. grace blakeley, an economist who was recently elected to labour s national policy forum. tom harris, the former labour mp and author of ‘ten years in the death of the labour party'. and by three voters who aren't convinced about labour, akbar khan is a retired civil servant. he's a member of the labour party, he likes labour's policies but sys he can't seejeremy corbyn as pm.
mercedesjohnson has never voted in her life. and stephen morris, who used to vote labour, but now says he s a swing voter. let me ask you, tell me what you think of these, good, bad, indifferent, these policies, today labour will say it will offer 30 hours of free childcare for all to four—year—olds, doesn't matter how much you earn, you could be absolutely loaded, you will still get it, what do you think? another reason why i don't vote, it is a nonsense. to just throw it out to everybody whether they can afford it or not makes no sense, it was the same thing when they turned this into a benefit society, handing out too much benefits. sometimes they do too much benefits. sometimes they do too much. you don't believe it? what would you say? it is not a problem, i like the idea of that.”
would you say? it is not a problem, i like the idea of that. i like the idea to the extent that it should be means tested, in the sense that the high earners, could and should be excluded. what do you think? this is something we should look at in terms of the wider systemic economic impact, we live in a society today thatis impact, we live in a society today that is built on service —based industries, and we need a workforce thatis industries, and we need a workforce that is going to complete globally, a huge part of that will be determined by the care and support that young children get from the early stages of life. what do you think? i can see the attraction to a floating voter, the problem is, well off pa rents have floating voter, the problem is, well off parents have never had problems accessing quality childcare, the problem has always been with people on low income, the idea that we provide quality childcare to eve ryo ne provide quality childcare to everyone regardless of income flies in the face of all saints, and all
a cce pta nce in the face of all saints, and all acceptance that a lot of these resources will be, even under a labour government, will be in short supply, labour government, will be in short supply, you have the means test. in scotland, we have free university tuition. —— flies in the face of all sense. people from the worse off background in scotland have less chance of going to university than anyone else in the rest of the uk. this was announced on monday, legislation to force private companies to give members of staff shares. no, because, iwork for myself, fortunately, i work in a company of one employee, so i own 100% of the shares, but if i expanded my company to 100 employees, it is my company. expanded my company to 100 employees, it is my companym would be for very big companies. same reasons, i don't believe in that type of force on somebody, especially if they have established their own business. i like the idea,
because by going down this route, we are trying to involve the workforce ina are trying to involve the workforce in a positive way, and share and develop it. some big businesses, the cbi, have said this is a tax on big businesses. look at corporate culture since the 1980s, we have seen culture since the 1980s, we have seena culture since the 1980s, we have seen a massive interest in the share of national income going to those who own capital and businesses, this ideology that it is the responsibility of business to maximise shareholder value, no responsibility to workers, don't have to pay them well listen to them; is is notjust redistribution of wealth but economic power, making people feel empowered and engaged. of wealth but economic power, making people feel empowered and engaged] harris? student politics, it is best, if you win something and the government decide to take it from someone government decide to take it from someone and take it is the else, thatis someone and take it is the else, that is that of private property. —— tom harris. let me ask you about the
leader. you like the message, the policies, what about the message, what about jeremy corbyn? jeremy corbyn is a controversial figure. at the same time, he is carrying the party with him. can you see him in number ten, party with him. can you see him in numberten, can party with him. can you see him in number ten, can you seen party with him. can you see him in number ten, can you seen as party with him. can you see him in number ten, can you seen as prime minister? i can see him in number ten because the tories are in disarray, and no force at all. what do you think? the messenger? quite ironically, i do like him because he's so controversial, i do like him,i he's so controversial, i do like him, ithink... he's so controversial, i do like him, i think... dumbs he's so controversial, i do like him, ithink... dumbs down he's so controversial, i do like him, i think... dumbs down to a couple of policies... absolutely, but him as a leader... as a politician? as an individual, the way he has stuck at it, they have put him as an underdog, they have really dragged him across the cold, and he has stood alone for the
things he believes in and that is the kind of thing that would nudge me to give a vote. even if you didn't like the policies? not if you didn't like the policies? not if you didn't like the policies? not if you didn't like the policies no. there would have to be a matchup. what do you thinkjeremy corbyn? would have to be a matchup. what do you think jeremy corbyn?” would have to be a matchup. what do you thinkjeremy corbyn? i liked him years ago, when he was the argumentative politician, ithink there is a great place form average politicians in british politics any coal and labour leader, can politicians in british politics any coaland labour leader, can see it, carries too much baggage, not a chance. prime minister in waiting? evenif chance. prime minister in waiting? even if he got in, he would be a caretaker. you are not mad on him, you like one of the two policies i threw out, can you see yourself being attracted to put your cross in the labour box at the general election? fortunately i do not live in islington so i do not need to vote for him...! last election, i was torn, between voting labour, or
voting for my local mp, who i like, a labourmp... i voting for my local mp, who i like, a labour mp... i bit the bullet, i voted labour, in the end, but it was a hard choice. it is a hard choice now. you are a huge fan of his? jeremy corbyn is a fantastic leader. he has been through a huge amount from the media and his party. but the media and the party focused too much on his personality and that is a hangover from the blairite days of media spin when it was about what politicians are saying and how they would appeal to the public. what we are talking about is a fundamental transformation in the idea that govern our economy. that is the platform jeremy is standing on. a lot of these mps are not debating his ideas, they are just coming after him. we are getting a lot of
those ideas this week, which is why we are talking about them. what aboutjeremy we are talking about them. what about jeremy corbyn being we are talking about them. what aboutjeremy corbyn being the message for some of the messages that are popular with members of the public? most members of the public will be familiar with jeremy corbyn's history. i am very familiar with some of the stuff he still believes. the fact he was sympathetic to the ira and he is a supporter of the ussr and is advised by some warm who is sympathetic to north korea. jeremy appeared on iranians state television even after the democratic uprising in 2009, which he denied in a barefaced lie on channel 4 yesterday. these things matter to me, i accept they don't matter to me, i accept they don't matter to me, i accept they don't matter to many people in the country but they speak to his basic dishonesty about his own past and his own convictions. this is laura smith, north west mp and she was speaking at the labour party
conference yesterday. comrades, we must topple this cruel and callous tory government as soon as we can. and if he can't get a general election, we should organise with our brothers and sisters in the trade union to bring an end to this government with a general strike. cheering and applause. stephen, as a floating voter, does that speech draw you to labour or does it repel you ? that speech draw you to labour or does it repelyou? it that speech draw you to labour or does it repel you? it repels me. that speech draw you to labour or does it repelyou? it repels me. i does it repelyou? it repels me. i do not see the sense of a general strike. what good would it do for the country, what good would it do for the people who have do earn money at the end of the week to pay their mortgage. what about you? if you have been doing the same thing over and over you have been doing the same thing overand overand keep you have been doing the same thing over and over and keep getting the same response, try something new. including a general strike?
including a general strike? including a general strike.” wouldn't support a general strike. so when occurrence, contemporary, young labour mp says that, you as a labour member, member of the labour party, how does it make you feel?” don't agree with that approach because we would be damaging the economy and political structure and thatis economy and political structure and that is neither democracy nor sensible economic policy. thank you to all of you. thank you for coming on the programme and thank you to tom harris as well. bill cosby, once known as america's dad, has been sentenced to up to ten years in prison for raping a woman in 2004. a judge described the 81—year—old as a ‘sexually violent predator'. cosby was found guilty of drugging and raping the former basketball player, andrea constand, at a retrial earlier this year. this makes him the first celebrity convicted of criminal charges since the #metoo movement against sexual assault
began last year. since then dozens of women have come forward to make similar allegations against the star. in a momet i'll read you some of andrea constand's victim impact statement. first here's bill cosby in the american sitcom that made him famous, the cosby show you'll repeat after me. hickory, dickory, dock... hickory, dickery, dock. i don't know who broke the clock. we were walking around. and the clock fell down. hickory... dickery... dickery. .. dock... dock. hickory, dickery, dock — grandpa did not break the clock. the woman who gave evidence against bill cosby in his trial
for sexual assult is andrea constand. she described how she had seen bill cosb as a "mentor", but he had given her pills that left her "frozen" and unable to stop his assault. her victim impact statement said this: "i was at the top of my game, certain that the groundwork provided by my education and athletic training would stand me in good stead whatever challenges lay ahead. "after the assault, i wasn't sure what had actually happened but the pain spoke volumes. the shame was overwhelming. self—doubt and confusion kept me from turning to my family or friends as i normally did. i felt completely alone, unable to trust anyone, including myself." we can speak now to a woman who says she was attacked by the actor 40 years ago.
victoria valentino was in court yesterday to watch him being sentenced. thank you for talking to others, how did it feel when you saw him being punished? it was very cathartic. i think we were all extraordinarily moved. it was overwhelming. i am still processing the feelings. i think we all will be for several days, it may be weeks before it really sinks in, the full import of it. it has been a long journey, for me it was 48 years ago and i was 26 yea rs me it was 48 years ago and i was 26 years old. it was right after my six—year—old son had drowned, he knew about it and he took advantage of my grief to get to my roommate who he was attracted to. it was a very, very difficult time for me and
it sent me away from my career and it sent me away from my career and it sent me away from my career and it sent me away from my family and the city i lived in for 12 years. it sent me initially, on a very self destructive spiral because it compounded the grief i had over the loss of my child. we have no compassion, no empathy whatsoever. hejust saw a compassion, no empathy whatsoever. he just saw a vulnerable woman that he could manipulate and use. and that seems to be the common theme in everything that he has done, all of the stories from all of us women overfour the stories from all of us women over four or five decades. there are up over four or five decades. there are up to 60 women who say bill cosby did this to them. 62 women public and we each know several more... but he was charged and convicted of three counts of sexual assault in
connection with one woman. will you get yourjustice? i thinkjustice for andrea is justice get yourjustice? i thinkjustice for andrea isjustice for get yourjustice? i thinkjustice for andrea is justice for us all. probably the sentence that he got is enough for one woman, but we would like to see him spend the rest of his days in prison. and i have to say, but last night was his first night in prison, in a state penitentiary and there was a photograph that was sent out to others when he was being booked. it certainly was a different facial expression than he had when he walked out of the courtroom in handcuffs. he still had thejob king, smirk that entitlement, and evenin king, smirk that entitlement, and even in court when we were sitting there, he was still delusionary thinking he was going to go out on bailand go thinking he was going to go out on bail and go home. could i ask you,
victoria, if he felt able to, to tell british audience what you say happened to you over four decades ago? well, it's very difficult, i have been telling this story now, sometimes it is easy to tell and sometimes it is easy to tell and sometimes it is more triggering for my ptsd. i understand and if you don't want to, we can totally understand. i can give you the story ina understand. i can give you the story in a nutshell. i was under contract to capitol records to do an album of my own songs. it had been a long journey, i had a six—year—old child who was by racial and we have struggled all the way through with the civil rights act and the fact people had not changed much, even though the law had changed. i was dealing with that and finally i got
this recording contract after i had been a playboy centrefold in 1963. i was a trained in new york actress, suddenly i wasn't able to get a legitimate acting job. so getting the contract was incredible validation for the talent i did have, that i do have. the person i was. so when i found my six—year—old son face down at the bottom of my music attorney's swimming pool, my life stopped. i wasn't really able to go into the studio and record. when i did, ijust had nothing left to give. i was beginning to run out of my advance money for the contract and my friend said that she knew bill cosby and he had this hit show.
she was sure i could get an acting job on his show. i thought, i can mount somebody else's words, but i had lost my own music. yes. so, i had lost my own music. yes. so, i had an interview. sorry... please don't apologise, victoria. you don't have to go on, if you don't want to. i don't know why it is fitting that as hard of it is this morning even more so as hard of it is this morning even more so than last night or yesterday. anyway, i did go and i held, i took my son's picture and he held, i took my son's picture and he held it and looked at my son, who is looking straight into the lens. it was a powerful, beautiful, beautiful
picture of a beautiful, wise little boy. and he had no emotions whatsoever. and i blamed myself, thinking i am just an emotional basket case and who would take a chance hiring me to be on their show at this stage of my life? so i excused myself and i left, never expecting to see or hear from him again or never to get an audition or anything. my grandmother died and we moved into her house, i moved into her house. i had some roommates and one of them was an actress who had incredibly mesmerising eyes, they we re incredibly mesmerising eyes, they were pale blue white, almost. everybody was completely captivated by her eyes. they were memorable. she like to go over to a cafe in
beverly h ills she like to go over to a cafe in beverly hills and we would go over there together. and i didn't know at there together. and i didn't know at the time that he was part owner. and this particular day that we went, i was absolutely engulfed in grief and i couldn't, i couldn't stop sobbing. and i kept trying to shake myself out of it and ijust couldn't do it. all of a sudden he was standing at the table and he began talking to her. i didn't look up from my onion soup, ididn't her. i didn't look up from my onion soup, i didn't want anybody to see me crying the way i was. so he said, it looks like vicky is having a bad day, so i think i would love to treat you to going to the finnish tea m treat you to going to the finnish team bats, get a massage and he gave her his private telephone line. he
said to call him when we got back to his grandmother's house and he would send his car and driver and sent us to dinner. she was quite excited about that. personally i wanted to go home and go to bed. we did the whole thing and we wound up at the restau ra nt. whole thing and we wound up at the restaurant. i was not being charmed by his goofy humour. he was trying to entertainers, i guess and chat is up. so he reached across her and put a pill next to my wine glass and said, take this, it will make you feel better, it will make us all feel better, it will make us all feel better. so i felt guilty i was being a wet blanket so i took the bill, thinking it was going to be what everybody was dishing out in the 605. what everybody was dishing out in the 60s. sorry to interrupt, that was the pill but ended up dragging you? exactly, yes. managers of the
clu bs you? exactly, yes. managers of the clubs in those days were giving us diet pills because it kept us working longer hours and does in our tight bunny costumes. and that is what i thought it was. and while you we re what i thought it was. and while you were dropped, he assaulted you? yes. he actually, we wanted to leave because suddenly our faces were in our plates and weaver gobbling our speech, feeling nauseated and busy and he said he would take us home. we got back to the parking lot, the carand we got back to the parking lot, the car and driver were not there. he said he had something else to do, he would take us. instead of going right onto the strip, he turned left and wound up going up into the hollywood hills. he said it was his office and he wanted to show us his awards... he took out the car and i
thought i might stay in the car and wait, because it was clear that he was interested in her and not me. he opened the back door, took me out of the car, took is upstairs, and once we walked in, discovered it was nothing like a working office. it was two love seats and a little writing desk and a phone, french provincial phone... she immediately sat down and keeled over and pass out, and i sat down on the other one, put my head back, trying to keep from vomiting. and everything got silent will stop and i panicked for a minute thinking i had passed out and they had left me. and then i looked around, he was sitting next to her, looking down on her like a hawk, like a raptor, as if he was
getting ready to pounce on this little mouse. i saw immediately, i saw immediately what he was going to do. i tried to distract him but my speech was garbled and he was ignoring me, i kept at it and kept at it, reaching for him, gargling. the way you describe it is, it is utterly chilling. there is, justice for andrea, but there is also the defamation case against him for calling you and all the other women liars. i'm not part of that, because he called everybody, the day before i went public, so i'm not included in that litigation, which is why i am able to speak publicly. well, thank you so much for speaking to
our british audience, we do not underestimate how difficult it can be to talk about what has happened. thank you for having me. victoria valentino. next we will talk about that beluga whale in gravesend in the river thames. there are reports that a beluga whale has resurfaced in the river thames in kent after being spotted swimming there yesterday. 0ur reporter simonjones is keeping watch in gravesend. we have been here since first light and we have not seen any sightings, and we have not seen any sightings, a bit ofa and we have not seen any sightings, a bit of a mystery so far, because the guy who first spotted it yesterday and posted pictures on social media, that created a frenzy down here in gravesend, says a couple of his friends on the essex side of the river have seen it this morning, and some pictures were posted by another person on social media but the rspca have had a look at those and they are not convinced
it shows the wail, and they say that the marine conservation teams have been going up and down this stretch of river, and they are yet to have any confirmed sightings since xp yesterday. —— whale. i managed to see it myself yesterday, so i know what i'm looking for. —— 6pm. you see a sudden bit of white in the water, initially you think it might bea water, initially you think it might be a wave, but it is clearly something bigger than that, a lot of people gathered again on the banks, looking for it this morning but so far, we are still looking, and, at the moment, potentially, that is a good sign, because the hope is that it is no longer here, which might be disappointing for wail watchers but it could mean that the wail has gone out back out towards see, they do not want it to head up the thames, because that could create problems. —— whale. —— whale watchers. because that could create problems. -- whale. -- whale watchers. thank you for suggestions of names for the whale. arctica, bella, billy beluga,
and john says, how about theresa may... up the creek without a paddle and hopelessly lost! there's a really interesting study today that's found, quote, there is "compelling evidence" to show that there is a relationship between the quality of your diet and your mental health. it found that people who followed a traditional mediterranean diet were a third less likely to develop depression than those with a poor diet. so if eating fruits, vegetables, nuts and fish can help lower depression risk, is it something that should be taken more seriously in the prevention and treatment of mental illness? we can speak now to dr camille lasalle, author of that study at university college london, dr cosmo hallstrom, fellow
at the royal college of psychiatrists, and rachel kelly who's experienced severe depression — and found that changing her diet helped her recover. we combined all of the available studies, and the most compelling evidence that came out of all of the studies are for a traditional mediterranean diet that is plant rich, as you say, very rich in fruit, vegetables, nuts, unless you are allergic, of course. pulses, and are allergic, of course. pulses, and a plant —based diet, as well as fish, a good source of healthy, fatty acids. avoiding pro—inflammatory diet, is a good way to reduce the risk of depression. what is that? well, foods that are, that can increase your systemic inflammation, which means all of your body's natural reaction to an injury. when levels of inflammation
are constantly elevated, that can trigger problems including for your mental health. foods that are pro—inflammatory are rich in trans fat, refined sugar, talking about processed food, and... how do you react to this? you have to look at any magazine, any women's magazine, you will see that diet and its relationship to mood is vitally important, so this is not rocket science, now we have data to support what we have already known, it is important to live a healthy life style, important to live a healthy lifestyle, and eating the right sort of food is part of that. simple as that? well, yes. fair enough. you have experienced severe depression, you changed your diet, what did you change from and to? so, i needed
simple ways to remember what to do and i used a way to cut carbonated drinks and aspartame, and processed meats and foods, and that is what i cut out. what were the first to things? carbonated drinks, iwas quite the juan foyth diet coke. i cut that out and then, that was the miners, the plus was, i moved from meat and two veg, i did not have a bad diet, but i moved from, i became much less carnivorous and much more fizz. —— much less carnivorous and much more fizz. — — i much less carnivorous and much more fizz. —— iwas much less carnivorous and much more fizz. —— i was quite the one for a diet coke. and what was the difference? first, psychological, i had depressive episodes, i had been helped by psychiatrists and different things but this was
something i could do on my own, working with a nutritionist, that was so empowering, working with a nutritionist, that was so empowering, i got agency, first thing, first thing, it can be affected but can take a while to work. i started to feel different within days. it is very hard to pull out what that was, maybe i was on such a high that i had found something new. you say it is fierce and straightforward, where does the nutritional side of things fit in all the other things you do to help mental health problems? altering your diet will not make your depression better, that is not what the study says, but it will reduce your risk. information is something thatis your risk. information is something that is increasingly looked at as a mechanism for developing mental illness generally and depression. so we have another piece of the jigsaw that helps us understand what this complicated condition is. it is a vast complicated condition and i don't think food is the critical factor but it is one of many factors
that, that is along the pathway to understanding what we call the pathway of depression. empowerment, i like that, a large part of treatment of depression beyond medication and standard treatments is to take control of yourself, moderate your lifestyle, look at what factors are that are bad for you and your particular illness, and work on changes. changes what we are all about. i have started working with groups in my role for an ambassadorfor with groups in my role for an ambassador for sane and people who are suffering now, we did a book, andi are suffering now, we did a book, and i see it in the groups, people have a sense of hope and agency. they are beginning to feel better, it is terribly exciting. good, brilliant what has been done. thank you very much, thank you for coming on the programme. thank you. we have had hundreds of comments from you today about hernia mesh which we have focused on today in our exclusive investigation,
miranda... i have not read enough of them, but miranda says, my husband had his first hernia surgery five yea rs had his first hernia surgery five years ago, he came round from the operation with stabbing pains, eventually the hernia failed and a surgeon eventually the hernia failed and a surgeon prepared it by adding another mesh, you did a good job but my husband still has some pain and he is unable to work, it is com pletely he is unable to work, it is completely change our lives. liz says, i had a mesh for a hernia and severe pain for two months afterwards, i was told i had been unlucky and i was referred to the pain clinic, who could not do anything, pain receded to about five out of ten for the next four years, i have had to change to an automatic car, i cannot push down on a clutch pedal without it hurting. gerry says, i have had an infected hernia mesh for seven years, no amount of antibiotics can clear the infection, i have two weeping wounds on my abdomen, constant backache, sweats, difficulty walking, it is hell and
it should not be allowed. i have had to have a testicle removed, says another viewer, to allow them to use the hernia mesh but i have never had any problems at all, if i had not had it in the first place there was a great danger the hernia would recur. i know it is probably different for women but i would recommend it to any of my friends who had a similar problem. this one says, i had a mesh implant from a hernia, it has broken away, i am now going back in soon for another operation. my husband still has really bad pain, two years after his hernia mesh operation, i hate to see him suffer. he is on a very long waiting list to get it checked out. there are so many more where they came from. thank you, we will keep on this story. thank you for your company today. have a good day. we are back tomorrow. bbc newsroom live is up next. morning, rather warm start today
across parts of uk but a lot of cloud, outbreaks of rain further south, clear skies, and may well give our sunshine now but rather chilly this morning, temperatures down to two or three degrees. we will keep the sunshine across southern england into wales, the midlands and eastern england, more cloud further north, certainly for scotla nd cloud further north, certainly for scotland and northern ireland, chance of rain and drizzle affecting western areas. temperatures in aberdeen up to 19 celsius, feeling quite pleasant, for many of us, temperatures into the 205. overnight tonight, bit of cloud and rain across northern areas of scotland, still quite mild, in the
south, clear spells, temperatures dropping into fairly low single figures, it means that for friday, more sunshine, thursday, lots of sunshine for southern areas, 23 degrees in the capital, further north, just a little bit more cold, quite a bit of cloud, brighter skies later. this is bbc news. these are the top stories developing at 11. labour leaderjeremy corbyn is to set out what he calls a radical plan for the uk economy, with an attack on "greed is good" capitalism. labour is promising to kickstart a "green jobs revolution", promising billions of pounds of investment in renewable energy. there's confusion about the fate
of the whale spotted in the thames estaurary. research suggests that eating a mediterranean diet may help prevent depression — but experts say trials are needed to confirm the theory. up to 170,000 people who have had hernia mesh implants in england in the past six years could face complications, the bbc learns. i can't even sleep properly. used to sleep on my front. three hours a night if i'm lucky now.