tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News January 14, 2019 10:00am-11:01am GMT
hello. it's 10 o'clock. i'm victoria derbyshire. the prime minister makes last ditch efforts to boost support for her brexit withdrawal agreement 2a hours ahead of that crucial vote in the commons. she warns mps that if they don't back her deal, they risk there being no brexit at all. here's her international trade secretary. having made a contract with the british public on the issue, we have to honour that contract and we have to honour that contract and we have to leave the european union as instructed. the question is, how do we do it? and i think the best way to do that is to back the deal that the prime minister has set out. how do you want your mp to vote tomorrow? let me know. courtney boden was four months old when attacked by her dad, leaving her profoundly disabled. now 20, she's officially homeless despite being awarded £500,000 in compensation for her injuries. she can't use it for a home because her own mum — also here today — would benefit.
we'll talk to both in an exclusive interview. and a new plan to reduce polution in england is being published today. banning the worst polluting wood burning stoves is a major part of that plan. in certain parts of our country, we cannot control particulate matter. some of that gets blown in across from france orfrom ireland. so we need to work again with other countries, which we do, because not everything is within our control. we'll talk to rosamund adoo kissi—debrah — whose 9 year—old daughter died after developing severe asthma living close to one of london's busiest roads — about whether the plans go far enough. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. 2a hours ahead of that big vote in the commons on the pm's brexit withdrawal deal, what do you want your mp to do — back it or reject it?
let me know. the prime minister will make a last—ditch attempt to persuade mps to back her brexit plan today, ahead of a crucial vote in the commons tomorrow evening. mrs may will issue a stark warning to brexiteers, that if they don't support her deal then parliament could stop the uk leaving the eu altogether. mps are expected to reject her deal. the most polluting log burner and open fire fuels will be banned in england as part of a new clean air strategy, to be published by the government today. the proposal also outlines plans to reduce ammonia emissions from farming and minimise pollution from the use of fertilisers. environmental campaigners have
criticised the plan, suggesting it lacks detail. the government says it has set a "bold new goal" to reduce harmful pollution across much of the country by 2030. a british iranian woman detained in iran is due to begin a three—day hunger strike in protest at being denied medical care in prison. the british government has repeatedly called for release of nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe, who has denied undermining the iranian state since she was jailed in 2016. a mother has died and her 8—month—old baby is in a life—threatening condition in hospital after being hit by a car in london. the woman, believed to be in her twenties, was pushing her son in his pram when the pair were struck in the penge area of bromley at around 8 o'clock last night. police say the driver, who has not been arrested, is helping with their inquires. the police commander at the hillsborough disaster, david duckenfield, will go on trial today charged with the gross negligence manslaughter of 95 liverpool fans. 96 people were killed as a result of crushing on overcrowded terraces at the sheffield ground in 1989. one man, tony bland, died four years afterwards,
and is therefore not included in the prosecution. liverpool were playing nottingham forest in an fa cup semi—final. the trial is expected to last for at least three months. indonesian officials say they've recovered the cockpit voice recorder from a lion air plane that crashed in october, killing 100 and 89 people. navy divers discovered the black box — which is orange in colour — buried eight metres under the mud on the bottom of the sea. it's the second black box to be found. the aircraft went down minutes after taking off from jakarta. the british actor hugh grant has tweeted after his car was broken into last night. in this twitter plea, he asks the person who stole his bag to "at least return my script. many weeks‘ worth of notes and ideas and perhaps my children's medical cards."
and zoe ball has started her first radio 2 breakfast show. she takes over from chris evans and played respect by aretha franklin as her opening track — let's hear how she opened the show. hello. my name is zoe. good morning, radio 2 superstar listeners! here we go. # the zoe ball breakfast show! and relax. after all the build—up and all the preamble, the big day is finally here. we are super excited. i'm ready. the squad are ready. karen has tweeted, she has got new batteries fitted in the bathroom radio, so she's ready. the first record, what's it going to be? that isa summary record, what's it going to be? that is a summary of the news. zoe sounded brilliant on the
programme. the government's launching a major new strategy to tackle air pollution today — but does it go far enough? we'll be talking to a mum whose 9—year—old daughter died after developing severe asthma living close to one of london's busiest roads. first, this is 20 —year—old courtney boden and this is her mum beverley neal. they're from lancashire. when courtney was 4 months old, she was attacked by her father, bev‘s ex—fiance ?— which left her with severe physical and mental disabilities and the mental age of a young child. she'd suffered fractures in her arms, legs, ribs and skull. courtney needs someone to look after her every day, so the criminal injuries compensation authority awarded her £500,000 back in 2007 for her welfare and support.
but the organisation also barred beverley from benefiting in any way from the money, as a judge had ruled she had failed to protect courtney, because at first she didn't believe herfiance had been responsible for courtney's injuries and tried to hide that she was still in touch with him. now the government's official solicitor — who is in charge of deciding what courtney can spend her trust fund on — has barred courtney and beverley from buying a home for them both to live in, because mum beverley would also benefit from that. it means they have been left officially homeless and they've had to use food banks even though there's half a million pounds in a fund which is there to make sure courtney is looked after properly and has a happy life. let's speak to them now in an exclusive first interview. hello, courtney and beverley. the
assault on courtney was over two decades ago. i wonder if you could tell our audience what her father did to herand tell our audience what her father did to her and why? we never got the full story in the end, but through medical things they found she had a broken tibia, fibula and a fracture of the skull which put her in intensive care. she had to have shunts fitted into the brain to drain the fluid. 0bviously, shunts fitted into the brain to drain the fluid. obviously, it was a very emotional time. she was in a very emotional time. she was in a very critical way. he has never owned up to the full amount of what he has done. they did medical assessments and that was what came back. as a result, courtney is profoundly disabled and has cerebral palsy. yes, she has learning difficulties, struggles with food and eating and is totally paralysed down her right hand side. so every need she has is reliant on me. at
the time, courtney was placed in foster ca re the time, courtney was placed in foster care and in the meantime, your ex, courtney's father, handed himself in. yet you didn't believe he had done this to your daughter. no. i was in denial. love is blind. he wasn't a mean man or a bad man. so it was hard to understand what he had done to me and courtney all the way through the pregnancy, for him to do this and ruin our lives, not just his own. i didn't believe him. even when he owned up to it, i had to have answers, so i stayed in contact with him, which i know i shouldn't have done. i let him stay in contact with the two boys as well. i was wrong. i appreciate that i wasn't the best person back then. it was confusing. it was like hitting a wall, as if your life comes shattering around you. it's
ha rd to comes shattering around you. it's hard to absorb. do you know why he did it? know, we never got the a nswe i’s did it? know, we never got the a nswers why did it? know, we never got the answers why he did it. he was on bailand answers why he did it. he was on bail and you were not supposed to contact him. you broke that rule. why? naive and in love. i needed a nswe i’s why? naive and in love. i needed answers as well as to why he owned up answers as well as to why he owned up to it. at first, he said he owned up up to it. at first, he said he owned up to it. at first, he said he owned up to it. at first, he said he owned up to it so that the pressure would be off me. this was what happened in court. but he kept changing his story. so that didn't help me. and i was in disbelief over the whole thing. he was found guilty and sentenced to 18 months in prison. he said 12. by the time courtney was three, you had fought to get her back from foster care and succeeded. tell us about caring for your daughter since then on a day—to—day basis. it's a routine. we get up at six in the morning. we have showers,
prepare breakfast. i feed six in the morning. we have showers, prepare breakfast. ifeed courtney because she can't feed herself. she can't even get out of bed herself. she is fully incontinent, so i have to change her, get her ready for college. 0nce to change her, get her ready for college. once he is at college, it sta rts college. once he is at college, it starts with all the washing of clothes she has had. with being doubly incontinent, i have to do everything. when she comes home from college, it is again preparing food, getting her changed and backed, getting her changed and backed, getting her changed and backed, getting her ready for bed and entertaining as well, because she can't entertain herself. and you need access to courtney's £500,000 of compensation which she was awarded as a result of those injuries, in order to buy things like specially adapted vehicles or a specially adapted home. you have discovered you can't get access because the rules in place say that you are not allowed to benefit, directly or indirectly, from this money. how did you find that out? we got in touch with the official
solicitors. it must have been december 2016, because i was really struggling. i remember pulling up at the side of the cemetery and breaking down on the phone to her, saying i was struggling. i couldn't carry on funding everything. i rang her direct and carry on funding everything. i rang herdirectand said, carry on funding everything. i rang her direct and said, we are happy to come down and see you or you are welcome to see us, see how we live, see the sort of people we are. she agreed that they would come up on the 17th of january. they sent up two legal secretaries to the house. i picked them up at the train station in courtney's van so that i could show them how bad the vehicle was. it was a nearly ten—year—old vehicle that they had given us an interim payment for. they said 45 minutes at the house and then left and injanuary, we got the letter to say i was excluded and they wouldn't help, and we had to seek local
authority housing and help through them, which was obviously degrading. why do you say that? because i have worked so hard to provide for her. and she is my world. she has had an amazing lie. we love life. but now we can't even go out. we sit under an electric blanket at night to keep warm because i can't afford the heating because the money we are living on benefits now onlyjust cove rs living on benefits now onlyjust covers the other heads. we have lived off credit cards. like i say, we are now on food banks to survive, because i wasn't eating. we fought them and fought them and yet slowly but surely, it has weakened me as a person. how much more fight do i have in me to care for courtney? that is what my priority is. in trying to find out why you would be an excluded person, we found what a judge said about you in a fact—finding here. this was in the
year 2000. this is potentially why you cannot benefit from this half a million pounds. "mother has not been excluded as a possible perpetrator of injury to her child. at the very least, she failed to protect courtney by firstly not giving the hospital a full history which might have alerted them to the truth earlier, secondly leaving courtney with someone she must have known was a danger, thirdly not telling the truth at the earliest possibility". i honestly didn't think he had done it. he wasn't a cruel man. it was totally out of character for him. he was very protective of me. even through the pregnancy, i wasn't very well, and he was protective. he was there as a doting father all the way through. so i couldn't come to terms that he had done it. and yes, i did lie. i stuck by him when he said he hadn't done it and i did believe in him. because courtney had had to
have these procedures, he thought the hospital had done it. that was one of his excuses. you do hear things like that. the more things that went through my head, it confused me more. i was stupid and in love. we were due to marry. if you can't trust somebody you're going to marry, and especially with his own daughter... is said the mother has not been excluded as a possible perpetrator of injury to her child. the police did checks. i wasn't even in the house. they got a specialist from alder hey hospital and he pinpointed the exact time that the bones had been broken. so what do you think when you hear me say those words to you? what do you think when you hear me say those words to you ?|j what do you think when you hear me say those words to you? i think i didn't help myself at the time, so he built a picture of me as a bad parent. it hurts me because i would never hurt my daughter. i am there to protect her. people know how good
iam. she to protect her. people know how good i am. she is very well known, courtney. she has met so many people. we have never had social services involved since she came home because she has had an amazing life. is it possible that you could live apart from courtney and then courtney would be able to get access to this half a million pounds? they have offered to put courtney in a home and they will fund her then to live away from me. that would not be good for me or for courtney, more courtney than anything, because her lifestyle has been good. we have such a great relationship. her life would completely go downhill. they have had reports from school saying this, from people who are involved with courtney, teacher saying it is not in courtly‘s best interest. we have even had a social services best interest meeting and it was
unanimous that courtney stayed with me. her health will deteriorate. she would go in on herself. she is such a happy child with me. you can see from her smile. she is my world, aren't you? good girl. courtney, where do you want to live? with mum. and why do you want to live with your mum? why do you want to live with me? newhouse. why, though? peas ina pod. with me? newhouse. why, though? peas in a pod. we are, aren't we? i have a statement from the government official solicitors here. they are the trustees of the fund. they say this was an awful case and we have every sympathy for what courtney has been through. the official solicitor can act as a trustee of funds for vulnerable victims when there is no one suitable to take on responsibility themselves. hst will allow a access to a fund to ensure
daily expenses related to the welfare of a victim can be met. it is their duty to administer trust in a lawful manner and in accordance with the terms of the compensation settlement. presumably, expenses like food... they don't give you anything. we have had an electric wheelchair of them, which we had to fight tooth and nail for. we wheelchair of them, which we had to fight tooth and nailfor. we had to get school to write that they wouldn't push courtney any more because she getting too heavy to ta ke because she getting too heavy to take out on outings. they also had to do take out on outings. they also had todoa take out on outings. they also had to do a health and safety check. as ifi to do a health and safety check. as if i would benefit from it. what would be your plea to the government? official solicitors, then? i would try to take it back to court and have the trustee looked at again. it was made in 2007, so it was 11 years ago. she had been home with me six years, having an amazing
life, when the trust was finalised. and nobody looked into where she was, who he was living with. so the trust is not workable now. it's put us trust is not workable now. it's put us in trust is not workable now. it's put usina trust is not workable now. it's put us in a state where we are homeless. we are vulnerable people. it's not fairany we are vulnerable people. it's not fair any more. we are vulnerable people. it's not fairany more. i we are vulnerable people. it's not fair any more. i could handle being homeless, but not courtney. we are having to live in a room with the original foster carers. that is the only thing that has come out that is good. we have two wonderful people who have been there for us. you moved in there a week ago. and you did have privately rented accommodation but the landlord wa nted accommodation but the landlord wanted to sell it and the council have said there is nothing suitable for courtney in the foreseeable. we have been on the housing register. it is like a housing association, so all the different companies going to
one. we have been on there since august 2014 for a disabled house. we have met with local authority and he said, as you are aware, there is nothing available. so what are you going to do? i haven't got a clue. u nless going to do? i haven't got a clue. unless they change this deed and give courtney the proper help, if they bought her a bungalow, i wouldn't be benefiting because they are saving thousands on caring. i'm caring for her and i don't charge for the caring, i am doing it for my own love for courtney. i want what is the best life for her, and i can give her that. i can see that you're really trying to hold it together, but this is tough. it's horrible. it's your worst nightmare. like someone at the council said, it is living in a nightmare and there is no end to it at the moment. it is just not fair. they are playing god
with people's lives, in my eyes. it would help courtney have a normal life. instead, it hasjust caused serious problems. somebody needs to act now. she has already suffered through her life. we have got through her life. we have got through that and now we are being punished again, 21 years on. surely they can see what a life she has already had. it is about what she wa nts. already had. it is about what she wants. and it's just already had. it is about what she wants. and it'sjust not happening. thank you for talking to us. we will do what we can. it would appear to bea do what we can. it would appear to be a significant injustice. we will see what happens. if you are in a similar situation and have had issues accessing compensation money after you have
been injured by a criminal, please get in touch. we would like to hear from you. still to come... wood burning stoves and open fires could face new restrictions in england to clean up the air. we'll hear from a mother whose daughter died from asthma believed to be linked to illegally high levels of air pollution. and rosie was born intersex — with a variety of characteristics that don't fit into a traditional concept of male or female bodies. all over the world, children with intersex traits are being operated on to be sex—assigned at birth — sometimes with devastating consequences. a full report coming up shortly. "if my deal is lost, then brexit itself is in jeopardy"... that's the warning theresa may will be making to conservative mps today in a last ditch effort to avoid losing tomorrow's vote on her brexit deal in the house of commons. 0ur political guru,
norman smith, is at westminster. are we expecting any more last—minute concessions from brussels today which could help her convert more mps to backing her? we will get some sort of words from brussels, trying to set out brussels' interpretation of the backstop and how they would like to only be temporary. but it will fall a long way short of what most are demanding, which is firstly that they want something legally enforcea ble they want something legally enforceable that can get us out of the backstop. they want a clear route to britain being able to quit. so it's not going to be a game changer. it seems to me that the pm is now trying to minimise the scale of the defeat she will face tomorrow, because it seems clear that she is going down to defeat, it isa that she is going down to defeat, it is a question of how big a defeat.
that matters because if she can whittle down the numbers, tim may will hope if they don't go down to an absolutely cataclysmic defeat, she can then come back and say, i didn't win, but it wasn't so bad, so i'm going to go back to brussels, see if i can get a few nips and tucks, come back with something better and we will try again. in other words, if he doesn't suffer a shattering defeat, she will hope she can reheat her deal and keep the process going. it's about trying to get those numbers down, not trying to avoid defeat. i think that boat has sailed. so under100 mps? would she be able to bring it back if it was less than a three figure defeat? that would be very rough. that would be the ballpark hope of team may. that said, she is not the only player in this act. it is clear that mps on all sides are moving quickly
to seize on the aftermath of the pm's likely defeat. i expect that if mrs may is defeated and comes back with a reworked deal, it will face a blizzard of amendments from mps on all sides. you will see people in favour of a second referendum, people in favour of no deal, people in favour of canada and norway. everyone will pile in with their preferred option. and what we will get over the next week is a sort of shake—out of some of the options. i think mrs may's deal marc warren will go. i think no deal will go. and then you are moving to a situation where i suppose the two frontrunners become a softer sort of brexit, some sort of customs union, norway kind of option, or a second referendum. those seem to me to be the two contenders. but stage i will hinge on how big a defeat mrs may
suffers tomorrow. thank you. chris on twitter says the vote was leave or remain, not replace one bad deal with another. it's time to leave without a deal. aidan says glad to see common sense at last. no deal would be a catastrophe. roll on, no brexit, and we can all get on with our lives and business. and tom says, i want all mps to say no to this deal. parliament are united against mrs may's deal and if no compromise can be found in westminster, it's time to put a plan bor westminster, it's time to put a plan b or remain to the public. as things stand, we're leaving the eu at the end of march with or without a deal, but even with the possibility of a no—deal brexit looming — most people seem to think mrs may will lose the vote. and then what? well, it's hard to say, but we thought we'd hear about one possibility... here'sjohn 0wen... theresa may has spent two years straining every sinew to get a deal on the terms of the uk's exit from the eu. she's suffered resignations from her government, defeat in the house of commons and snubs from eu negotiators. but now, atjust 585
pages of dense legalese, she has her withdrawal agreement. so that should put all of this brexit stuff neatly to bed, then. not so fast. many people think it falls wide of the mark and she stays in the fight of her life to get it through the house of commons. most people think getting the deal through will prove to be mission: impossible and that it will be voted down. so what then? another referendum or a general election? another one! maybe, but another idea is also gaining traction in westminster. a cross—party group of mps is proposing a form of brexit that its members have branded common market 2.0. they believe it could be the solution if theresa may's deal brexit has no shortage ofjargon, but this essentially means that we leave on terms similar to the ones that norway currently enjoys. we would still be inside the single market, which means we would share common rules and regulations with the eu and crucially, eu citizens would retain the right to live and work in the uk and vice versa.
the proposal also says that we should negotiate a new customs arrangement that would mirror the existing customs under which countries agreed common taxes on imported goods, which would avoid a hard border in northern ireland. they say this would amount to a simple economic relationship which is free of all the political paraphernalia of the modern eu. critics say the plan has some drawbacks. the uk would still follow many eu rules, but without a say in writing them, and we'd still have to contribute to the eu's budget. accepting the four freedoms including free movement of people from the eu is also a big sticking point for many on the pro—brexit side of the argument. but those who are sympathetic to the idea think it could be the best available plan b if the government's plan a doesn't make the grade. whether following the norway model could gain the support of the house of commons, however, remains to be seen. let's speak now to robert halfon, conservative mp and labour mp lucy powell, who together have
authored a report setting out proposals for what they're labelling as "common market 2.0" — or what's also been called the "norway solution". let me check with you, or you voting for or against? lucy powell. i am voting against it. which means those of you risk either leaving in a destructive way or according to the prime minister in a speech today, you risk it being no brexit at all. i think if we risk a deal we risk no brexit at all, we don't have a voice ora brexit at all, we don't have a voice or a beadle. that's why i have come together with lucy to suggest a proposal called common market two points zero. it delivers the referendum result, takes back control of fish farms, takes us out of the european court ofjustice,
other political union but safeguards jobs, business and ensures we have a free market agreement with the rest of europe. lucy powell, it's pretty much the same we have now, we pay m, much the same we have now, we pay in, free movement of workers, we we won't be able to sign free trade globally. it absolutely leaving the eu. we would be in a separate alliance group of countries, we would share economic interests with the eu but we wouldn't be part of the eu but we wouldn't be part of the ever closer political union and as robert says we would be part of many of the aspects of eu that people have come to dislike and on free movement, there are, there is the option of an emergency brake should be extra economic or political or societal pressures on the uk. our government can unilaterally decide in those
circumstances to suspend free movement. i think it fully respects the decision of the british people but it keeps us in that economic relationship that i think many people thought we would stay in and i think if rob and i both had a pound for every time someone said to us on pound for every time someone said to us on the doorstep we were happy we we re us on the doorstep we were happy we were in the common market but we didn't like the eu funded became this political superstate, i think we'd be very rich indeed. we think this is a compromise that people who are levers and remainders can get kind and they are doing so in great number. a compromise that there is unlikely to be a majority for in parliament. we don't know what there would be a majority or but what we do know is there are a lot of mps, that's why might leave constituency came together with an mp from the north—west of england, lucy, to show there is a lot of support across the house for a common market two points zero. for it seriously to get any for it would have to be taken up
either government, wouldn't it? yes. but it depends what happens, we don't know what will happen over the next few days in the house of commons but if the deal falls there will be a lot of support across the house of commons for a sensible arrangement that delivers the referendum but safeguards jobs and businesses. 0k. can i ask are you involved in this, it's been called a coup by the sunday times, this attempt for ordinary mps to take over the business of the house, if you like, in order to forge a breakthrough on brexit to supersede government business. i'm not involved and those are very much process arguments. what i'm involved in this trying to campaign for the idea of a common market 2.0, leave it up to others how they want... what do you think of the attempt? i'm not sure, we've onlyjust heard about at all for the last few hours. i would like to the crucial thing is if the row minister's deal falls,
parliament comes together and presented with a range of options, the common market 2.0 be one of those, i'm confident people would unite and vote for that option. lucy powell, 40 yea rs unite and vote for that option. lucy powell, 40 years and got the idea, jurors of select committees taking over and negotiating the most important thing britain has voted on for decades. i'm not sure that's what the proposal wasn't what i think is important, the prime minister in my view should have done this months ago, is we do need to get a view, an assessment of where the parliamentary majority would lie. 0ne the parliamentary majority would lie. one of the reasons we are in the situation right now is because the situation right now is because the prime minister has had a bit of a ten yearto the prime minister has had a bit of a ten year to parliament's view, she has ploughed on with negotiating a deal that was never going to get parliamentary support but i do believe there is, will be a majority in parliament for some kind of the land i think, market and mike want that rob and i have set out along
with many other mp5 from labour and cause served as would attract majority support in the commons. i ama majority support in the commons. i am a remainder, rob represents a leave seat but when i was director of britain in europe i debated those who wanted to leave the eu and they used to advocate for a norway style british relationship with the eu. it used to be the domain of levers and are used to argue against it and that's how much i am billing to compromise and how much the sands had shifted. whatever the processes, whether it's the government instigating it, back ventures, i think it's vital that parliament comes forward and says what it would agree on when it'sjust saying things that won't agree on. very briefly, your leaderjeremy corbyn suggested it misses me loses tomorrow labour were colonised confidence vote in the government with the aim of triggering a general election soon. if it's not quickly enough. labour mps do it instead?” don't think that would be advisable.
if the prime minister loses tomorrow i think if the prime minister loses tomorrow ithink in if the prime minister loses tomorrow i think in any historical context such a significant defeat on such a major plank of government policy would in any circumstance, trigger a general election. however, we've got to be realistic, colling a vote of no confidence at the moment is unlikely to be successful but what i'm interested in, what most of my constituents are asking me to do is to help deal with this blockage and unlock it in some way so that we can move on to the issues that people really wa nt move on to the issues that people really want us to deal with. ok, thank you both burry much. —— thank you both very much. woodburning stoves and coal fires are to restricted as part of the government's clean air strategy which is published today. the environment sec michael gove wants to cut the cost of air pollution to society by 1.7 billion pounds. he says that reducing it will create savings by cutting the number of sick days taken and reducing costs to the nhs.
as well as banning the sale of the worst—polluting stoves, the strategy also aims to get people to use more efficient appliances to heat their homes and encourage farmers to to use low—emission farming techniques. in a moment we'll talk about whether the strategy goes far enough. but first let's take a look at what are the worst offenders when it comes to polluting the air we breathe. here's our science editor, david shukman. air pollution, what exactly is it and how bad is it for me? so let's see virtual reality to visualise them. i spoke to environment minister therese coffey, and asked her why — when transport is responsible for the vast majority of pollution — the strategy doesn't address that.
a lot of the legal limits, we are already meeting. there's one particular one about roadside nitrogen dioxide, we are working with local councils to make those changes in the small parts of the country where that is still a problem. i am conscious we want to keep improving our qualities of the strategy today covers not just the issue where we are looking at transport but also broader challenges. you are basically deferring action on many of the biggest sources of pollution like transport. no, we have already set out through the road to zero strategy how we tackle transport, we've already put money into transport for london helping them with their plans and what they are doing about changing buses, the other activities going on. but you're not ending the sale of new, conventional diesel and petrol cars
until 2040. that's right but we are already seeing the industry moving, making changes, it is going to take time for some of these innovations to come through. also through different activities making sure we are seeing more electric charging points going into across the country and we need to build the infrastructure to go alongside the changes we want to see. transport is the major source of pollution in this country. and even backbench mps on the business energy and industrial strategy committee said your actions do not match the ambitions of your words, bad target for example, should be brought forward. in terms of nitrogen dioxide it's accurate to say transport has become the largest source of pollution, that's why we are making the changes. we've already done a lot of work as a country, our quality has improved, we need to go further and faster. bring the deadline forward. the broader issue we face which has a more comprehensive spending review but in the country as some think all particular matter, is tiny bits of
suit and dust and smoke, the biggest source of that, we made changes to the energy industry is through domestic earning. that's why a key pa rt domestic earning. that's why a key part of the strategy is to turn our focus and attention to that element. what's the deadline for reducing that deadly particular matter. we set legal targets for 2030, not just particular matter. we have targets in place by twenty20 agreed across europe we have already achieved. this is part of an ongoing projection we want to tackle in a variety of ways that. include transport because there are things like the plastic that comes out of tyres and brakes which is particular matter. that's why we have to keep working on research and innovation alongside actions we can take today to make the changes. why aren't you going to legislate to reduce air pollution in line with world health 0rganisation emendations? pollution in line with world health organisation emendations? you'll be aware world health organisation has and is the strategy today and says it's for other countries to follow our lead. why aren't you going to
make the plant legally binding? we are looking to reduce the number of people exposed to particular matter, think it's accurate to say in certain parts of the country can control particular matter, some of that gets blown in from france and ireland, we need to work again with other countries which we do, because not everything is within our control. where there are things that the nap until we are taking action but that's why we will continue to work together with european neighbours and internationally, on the pollution they generate but also we generate that can get blown into other countries. let's speak now to rosamund adoo kissi—debrah — who's 9 —year—old daughter died after developing severe asthma living close to one of london's busiest roads. aaron kiely who is from ‘friends of the earth‘ and sarah macfadyen who‘s from the british lung foundation. thank you all for coming in. particular matter, briefly, at the heart of the government strategy, what is it and why is it toxic? it's those really tiny things you breathe
m, those really tiny things you breathe in, many sources of them, dust, little tiny water droplets, the really worrying thing is you breathing in, they are so small they can get deep into your body, your lungs and even into the bloodstream, they are associated with loads of nasty effects and can damage your health, they are concerning. i‘m glad it is being talked about in the strategy but unfortunately it‘s not compared to the no automatic, as we have just heard, if that doesn‘t tackle the real big problem which is around road transport and associated pollution. wasn't, what you think of it? it doesn't go far enough. the environment and mr cover the world health organisation has endorsed it. the british government need to have that enshrined in law so we all know, diesel cars, 2040, even in norway which is a lot cleaner in this country, i think it's 2025 at 2030. it is appalling. young people
in london are choking, between ten and 15% of them have asthma, it's a very, very sad day. i can't believe i was on such a high on friday and now, it's like a reality again. just to explain the reason you were on such a high on friday was because due had been given permission effectively to have a second inquest into what happened to your daughter, ella, you say it was down to pollution, the attorney general considered whether air pollution contributed to her death, you were told it most likely did. it's such a let down. children are suffering in urban cities, manchester, glasgow, bristol, this is such a let band. i am so surprised after four we have learned about my daughter's condition. i'm stunned. sarah, how do you react? i think the good news is that the government is starting to think seriously about the health
and air pollution and they are recognising the world health organisation recommendations and what we should be aiming for but i think that the british lung foundation we would agree with what others are saying, it doesn't go far enough. and we've got an environment. coming up this year, the perfect opportunity to legislate, to set new legal targets to reduce air pollution. wright, explain to the audience the sort of practical impact of legislation as opposed to a non—legally binding target, what is the difference? at the moment we have laws which tell us the moment we have laws which tell us what limits are four different kind of pollutants, most of those come from the european union. so when we have the environment bill later this year that will set you targets in uk law for when we leave the eu. what that means compared to just an ambition, if the government doesn't achieve it at the point they say they will do it either will be consequences. like what? the government is setting up a new obama
watchdog, it could be the government can be taken to court, there will be fined. the government has been taken to court since 2010 for breaking error pollution targets, there is no comeback, is there, aaron? it‘sjust embarrassing, reputational and embarrassing. you have to have a joined up approach to this, there is other strategies around dealing with air pollution but the real problem is at the moment towns and cities are struggling to deal with legal levels of air pollution. i think 50 places in this country are failing those current world health organisation targets, it‘s a bit more and we need more than ambition to have a target, we need the target andi to have a target, we need the target and i think that is what is missing from the strategy. there needs to be a new clean air act. that's what i think should happen. and a lot of people agree with me. i think, you know, it should be that simple. there needs to be, the last one was 1956, i'm sorry if i got that wrong,
there needs to be dumont. of this fussing around, you know, pay lip service, 2040 these all, is not good either. sarah, 88% double ammonia emissions come from agriculture and ididn‘t emissions come from agriculture and i didn‘t know that, many people watching may not have realised that. that is quite a key area of this strategy. do you welcome that? i think it's absolutely good news, air pollution is caused by so many different sources, in towns and cities it's mainly rural transport, some of that from wood—burning. in the countryside it is a very different picture. and i think people living in rural areas may be dumb thing about pollution, they may be thinking it's an urban problem so i think tackling those emissions from agriculture sources like that isa from agriculture sources like that is a really important step forward because everybody deserves to live in clean air, to breathe clean air where ever they live in the country. from your point of view, friends of the earth, what should the
government do as well as of the ship the strategy? i think rosamond got applied earlier, it‘s been way too far to leave out weasel and petrol vehicles to 2040, that has to be brought forward to at least 2030 and is also the issue of climate change, we are in a very unsustainable situation at the moment, cars on the road which are damaging health but also contributing to climate change. we issued a warning someone to go saying that the next couple of years are crucial, critical in making sure we have a planet that is liveable for all of us. the government has to make the big changes we need around getting into public transport, cycling, walking and instead of getting rid of these polluting vehicles from the road. 2040 is the government... in the next two years? you joking? is that realistic? yes, we have to be, climate change is the biggest threat we all face and we do need to invest in the public transport system, we have to make it
easierfor people to transport system, we have to make it easier for people to get around clea nly easier for people to get around cleanly and safely, it gives us the chance of stopping runaway climate change. ok, thank you all very much. i know you wanted to mention really quickly stop there as a crowd justice fund, we need to go to the high court to get verdict quashed so if people can look on the website. the verdict of the original inquest into your daughter‘s death? the verdict of the original inquest into your daughter's death? that's right and thank you very much. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live. if you‘re emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you‘ll be charged at the standard network rate. thank a few for all of your messages this morning. i‘ll get round to those before the end of the programme. the un says as many as 1.7% of the world have intersex traits — that‘s children born with genitalia
that doesn‘t clearly look male orfemale. all over the world, children with intersex traits are being operated on to be sex assigned at birth — sometimes with devastating consequences. bbc gender and identity reporter megha mohan explores the hidden world of intersex children. rosie, medicine time. i hate my medicine. it tastes bad, but it will keep you alive. it keeps me alive but if i chew it, it tastes bad. then don‘t chew it! i‘m in milwaukee, an american city on the shores of lake michigan. it‘s famous for the fonze, its cheese and beer. i‘m here to meet the lohman family. hey, how‘s it going? hi, my name is rosie. remember, i told you to sit up nice and straight. talk normal, no baby talk. hi, my name is rosie. rosie is frequently mistaken for a boy and she knows how
to weather that herself. she is capable of taking care of it and she does frequently say, i‘m a girl and my name is rosie. 0h, pikachu! nice! rosie was born intersex, it is an umbrella term that describes people who are born with a variety of characteristics that don‘t fit into traditional conceptions of female or male bodies. rosie was born six years ago with ambiguous genitalia. according to a report by the united nations in 2016, 1.7% of the world are born with intersex traits. that is roughly the same as people with red hair. when she was born, the room was silent for several minutes as nurses examined her. the doctor... a doctor came over and said, you know, sometimes babies are born and they are not quite boy and they are not quite a girl... there are instances where surgery is needed in intersex conditions. if there is a chance of developing
cancer or if there is a problem passing urine or opening bowels. rosie‘s condition meant that she would need to take daily medication. but she did not need to have surgery. doctors still strongly advised reducing the size of rosie‘s clitoris, and creating a vaginal opening. that was his only recommendation, so... i asked, what about the very obvious kind of doing nothing? rosie is an exception, many children with intersex traits are still operated on. as part of our international investigation, we found cases who were left so confused by surgery, several considered suicide. in most countries, including the uk and us, these operations still occur. and a child growing up like rosie is uncommon.
but attitudes could be changing. late last year the uk government announced a review into intersex surgeries, after years of campaigning by activists. holly greenberry is the co—founder of intersex uk, campaigning for changes in surgery. we are genitally operating on children with pretty significant and severe levels of surgery to maybe remedy something which did not need remedying in the first place because it was not a health care issue, which has in many cases huge detrimental impact on that child's teenage years or their young adulthood and later on in life, too. but that is just focusing on that small aspect of health. and that is not necessarily looking at psychology, the social impact of it. mark woodward will be the chair of nhs england review of surgery on intersex people.
of the numbers of surgeries happening on the dsd children in the uk, how many of those are necessary, medically? it looks like roughly 150 children a year are assessed as new patients with dsd and maybe between 20 and 40 surgical procedures a year in the whole of the uk, so, relatively small numbers. and of those 20 and 30 having surgery, how many of those would you estimate absolutely require to have them in childhood? that is the big question, if you said, are these procedures absolutely medically necessary? i:e., is a child going to come to harm if they don't have surgery? well that number would be smaller than that. so while the majority of uk
surgeries on intersex or dsd children are not medically needed, mark woodward said it is often the parents pushing for them. so, yes, sometimes when you hear people talking about surgery it is as if we as surgeons are dragging the children out of the parents' arms and doing the surgery, somehow against what the parents want. that has never been my experience of the uk approach to dsd. i feel, as do most of the people i speak to involved is that our position is that we don't want to do any surgery rather than not do any surgery at all. so this is about making your body fit into neat boxes. perfect male, perfect female. because if it was anything else, this would not be a conversation that we would even be having.
all of the horror stories we were told rosie‘s life was going to be like if we let her be, none of which have come true. it‘s the same game, right? yes. you are not supposed to have the cards facing up there, rosie, we can see what you‘re doing! have you been looking at the cards? the lohmans in milwaukee have no idea whether rosie will choose surgery for herself, or if she will thank them for leaving the decision to her. rosie is fine. she's awesome. rosie is doing fine. she is like every other child. raising kids is not for the faint of heart and rosie is no different. this morning we‘ve brought you the exclusive story
of courtney boden and her mum beverley neal. courtney was just 4 months old when she was attacked by her dad, leaving her profoundly disabled. she was awarded 500k in criminal injuries compensation but, thanks to the way the fund was set up, her mum can‘t be seen to benefit in anyway from the money — and they‘ve both been left homeless. its verbal coverage worst nightmare, like one of the council estates, living in a nightmare, there is no end of it at the moment. that‘s not fairany end of it at the moment. that‘s not fair any more. they are playing god with people‘s lives in my eyes. that money was there to help courtney and let her have a normal life, it‘s caused problems. serious problems and to me, somebody needs to act now
because she‘s already suffered through her life, with both the bridges of that and went through that and now we are being punished again 21 years on. you know, surely they concede what a life issues already had and what she wants, it‘s what that‘s about, and it‘s not happening. beverley and her daughter courtney. mark says courtney being denied a better life and suffering through the legal system is disgraceful, raise a petition which i will gladly sign as well many others. terry says i have every sympathy for the young woman disabled by her father. sympathy for the young woman disabled by herfather. the sympathy for the young woman disabled by her father. the case needs to be led that again. punk on twitter: "found this story very upsetting the fund is a joke give them the money they were awarded you can see the mother is genuine". robert on twitter: "it‘s shameful & ridiculous that the mother of the severely disabled young lady is being penalised & not able to access the compensation,
the way they should be able to". letty on twitter: "this lady has made amends for what happend in her past life, this barring is cruel on both of them and should be reversed". this news coming into us, jeremy hunt is to summon the uranium asset to the uk to office to discuss the case of nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe. abc newsroom live is next. good morning. i‘d like to start with this weather watcher photo. this whole point cloud spotted in eastbourne, at the cloud evaporating into law part of the atmosphere creating a whole in the cloud. for many of us it‘s dry at the moment with sunny spells. those clearing away. rain spreading into northern ireland and the north west of
scotland, very patchy and light. for many of us, try, temperatures lower than yesterday. 6—10d. tonight or persistent rain across scotland, turning heavy at times, elsewhere largely dry, temperatures 5—7d, wilder across scotland and northern ireland, although neither lows of 9-10d. ireland, although neither lows of 9—10d. tuesday, a milder day for all of us, lots of cloud, some breaks in the cloud giving sunshine, maximum tem pters the cloud giving sunshine, maximum tempters10—11d. goodbye. hello, this is bbc news, i am alive
at westminster, the day before mps vote on theresa may‘s brexit deal. the uk may never leave the eu, that is what theresa may will tell brexit supporters in the speech in stoke which is due to start in the next few minutes. letters between the prime minister and eu leaders are that such to be published imminently, intended to provide assurances for those concerned for the backstop plan for the irish border. in other news, sales of the most polluting woodburning stoves will be banned under the government‘s new clea n banned under the government‘s new clean air strategy for england. environmentalists say plans are honest opportunity. and reports that hitachi is about to