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this is bbc newsroom live with me annita mcveigh live at westminster. the headlines at 11.003m. theresa may is holding cross—party talks to try to reach a consensus on brexit — butjeremy corbyn is refusing to meet unless no—deal is ruled—out. this is the scene now in hastings where the labour leader is due make a speech shortly. the other main stories on bbc newsroom live. plans for a new nuclear power station in north wales are suspended — putting thousands ofjobs at risk. cutting red meat to a burger a week — researchers say a radical shift in diet is needed to protect human health and the environment. premier league footballers take part in a new concussion study which could lead to pitch—side diagnosis.
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and "work constructively together" to find a way forward for brexit. we have just heard that andrea leadsom in the house of commons has said that the next brexit vote will be on january the 29th. said that the next brexit vote will be onjanuary the 29th. a vote on a new motion following a full day of debate on january the 29th. new motion following a full day of debate onjanuary the 29th. how do we get to that point? there is no consensus on the backstop, we plan to avoid a hard border on the island of ireland. there is no consensus on what is the national interest so let's speak to norman smith, our
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political editor. when you heard the news coming through you said, what motion? yes. the next stage in the process is monday january the 21st when the pm makes a statement to the house, broad lining outlining, setting out the direction of travel based on we assume the conversations she is having with other party leaders. that is a motion, not the brexit deal. it may well be changed for people who like the norway option, no—deal or whatever they like. never mind getting to the following week. what i read into this is firstly, i think to reason may is going to stick to something close to what she has already got because it doesn't
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sound as though there is a massive re—crafting under way and secondly, it suggests that the talks, as we pretty much no already, are not going to change things very much. thirdly, she wants to move very quickly. she is still aiming for the 29th of march deadline. what is in theresa may's diary for the day? we know there are lots of talks happening involving below the leadership tear? most of the jokes i think are going to be conducted by... rest of the meaningful talks will be conducted by those outside number ten. people like michael gove. and it will be with opposition politicians below the leadership level. the thinking is that if you are in a position of leadership it is difficult to compromise because you have your own people you have to look after and it
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isn't easy to give ground. it is easier to give a little ground a few tea rs easier to give a little ground a few tears down. the second thing is that theresa may is not the greatest schmoozer in the world and it will be difficult for her to get people on board. if you get the figures like david livingstone involved, it might bea like david livingstone involved, it might be a little bit easier to get people moving in that direction, albeit caroline lucas came in this morning after her meeting and it didn't sound like there had been any particular progress. she is clearly having many discussions with many different groups of mps. as i say, the pity is this is happening so late on in the process with the clock ticking down towards the 29th of march. i urged her again and again to take no—deal off the table because i think it totally skews the talks because knowing that cliff edge is there... philip hammond has said today that it would be possible to revoke article 50. we know that from the legal case but he was saying that could be a political possibility. i don't want to see it revoked,
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i want to see it extended. it does reinforce the fact that keeping no deal on the table is a political choice the prime minister is choosing to do, even though i think it is so deeply damaging and reckless. finally, i raised the issues of the 3 million, the british in europe as well. i urged her to be loud and clear about their rights, even in the awful event of a no deal and urged her to be working with other eu member states to make sure that all of them would extend reciprocal rights to the british in europe, were the worst case to happen, which in my view would be a no—deal. i'm most will what can be achieved in next few days that hasn't been the next few days that hasn't been achieved in the last two and a half yea rs. indeed. just to go back to where we we re indeed. just to go back to where we were before because i have been thinking about it. theresa may going for a vote on the 29th of january. that is very soon. i wonder if half the game plan is to move well your
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opponents are all over the place. that is the other factor. there is no majority for anything. there is no majority for anything. there is no agreement on what mps should do. there were suggestions that various tory former ministers had got together with this idea that parliament could seize control. that has blown out of it. there is no agreement among opponents of theresa may and i'm wondering if she is thinking, while they are all over the place i will come back with my twea ks to the place i will come back with my tweaks to plan and have another go. maybe she calculates she can get the numbers down because there is a view in herteam numbers down because there is a view in her team that a lot of the people who voted against the other day had to set down a marker almost for their constituents to say they weren't happy. when no deal gets closer and reality kicks in, maybe more of them will get on board. from the perspective of downing street, maybe on the 29th of january, the
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numbers opposed to theresa may could come down significantly. an incremental process, if you like. the opposition are all over the place and theresa may suddenly believes she can get some sort of momentum. that i think will be her game plan. whether it will work, it isa game plan. whether it will work, it is a big cold. certainly, she has been meeting senior tories this morning and she met some of the 1922... i guess they would go along with that. have a listen to them as they went in. well i think it's absolutely superb that on the steps of downing street yesterday the prime minister emphasised the fact we are leaving the european union, that is number one. some people have got to get over that in parliament. we know that three quarters of mps in parliament and for remain. they voted remain. but the people, the 17.4 million people voted to leave and it's great the prime minister is getting so many people to listen to them today.
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the prime minister has got to listen to the 17.4 million people. so if there is a red line, some of my mp colleagues have got to get to understand, the red line that is most important is that we are leaving the european union. they have to accept that. let's honour what the people said. we are going to leave. the politicians have got to implement what people said. yes. if we are in a customs union, you can't do those free trade deals. thanks very much. norman, we wonder what the news of this new vote will do with regard to the labour perspective on all of this. we are expecting a speech from jeremy corbyn in hastings shortly. what is his next move? good question. we know he's not going to talk to theresa may. he has received quite a bit of criticism
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from that, including from tony blair. paradoxically, ithink from that, including from tony blair. paradoxically, i think that helped him because tony blair has become such a hate figure among some sections of the labour party, anything he says they disagree with so anything he says they disagree with so that might actually helpjeremy corbyn. it is difficult for him to go into talks actually because the fear of many labour second referendum supporters is that he won't bite and at the end of the day it will enable brexit. in other words he will go along with some sort of brexit deal. he can't be seen to be going into number ten and having a cup of tea with theresa may. i don't think he really has much option to go into talks, never mind his reservations and his own red line. however, he is also going to have to take a position pretty soon because it seems things are coming toa soon because it seems things are coming to a head. he hasn't got the general election he wanted. one idea
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amongst some supporters ofjeremy corbyn is that we can have another motion of no—confidence. i can't see that taking off because the snp and others are asking what's the point? and is there any point unless it comes out behind the idea of another vote ? a good point. if his default position is we want a general election, he could keep hammering away at the door but it seems pretty firmly bolted at the moment. he doesn't get the general election. he is lukewarm on a second referendum and he won't go and talk to theresa may. i mean, you're kind of left wondering what is he going to do. let's find out if he says anything about that in this speech in hastings. there is the labour hastings. there isthe—lrabeur hastings. there isthe—lreieeur leader hastings. there isthe—lraiaear leader of very a very interesting position. he is not going to go into those talks, he
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says, with theresa may 5555, fiiffi t55f555 n53i wlffifif 5555. fiiffi t55f555 n53i wlffifif being 5535 fiiii‘i t55f555 n53i wlffifif being taken 5535 wlffi t55f555 n53i wlffifif being taken off. table. no—deal being taken off the table. the optics of ”a: 7 no—deal being taken off the table. the optics of if? would 7 no—deal being taken off the table. the optics of if? would be 7 no—deal being taken off the table. the optics mg would be very - no—deal being taken off the table. the optics mg would be very bad i the optics of that would be very bad for him. is he going . move, as for him. is he goingsto move-a md in — for him. is he goingto move-a un in his m— for him. is he goingto move-a “p' in his party "7; f for him. is he goingto move-a $ in his party would like to many mps in his party would like to do, towards a public of another referendum? and as we wait for the introductions to be over, norman, just pick up on the thought as we we re just pick up on the thought as we were discussing what jeremy just pick up on the thought as we were discussing whatjeremy corbyn might do next. is there anything more his party could do and other opposition parties said in the letter last night, urging him to move towards a second referendum. anything they can do to get him to budge on that? they think, come monday, some of them anyway, that if they put down an amendment to mrs may's motion calling for a second referendum and there is a big surge of support for it, it could create momentum. i
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think the most realistic route is everything else has to fail. the respect of some middle way, norway customs union soldier of agreement, that doesn't get liftoff —— norway customs union sort of agreement. parliament is split, all the parties are split, with the exception of the lib dems and the snp, so we are going to hand it back to the people. that may happen but everything we've heard from jeremy corbyn suggests he does not want to do that because does not want to do thatbecause lijf’ hefearsw” — —— does not want to do thatbecause i if he fears the f " frankly i think he fears the ramifications. there are labour has . win general election that supported next general election that supported leave. all the people around him are saying they don't want to touch a second referendum with a barge pole. i think be the absolute last throw
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of the dice forjeremy corbyn, albeit we know many of his supporters at the grassroots level, many of them are passionately pro—european. there are risks for him as well if he holds out against a second referendum and he fractures the coalition supporters he has assembled in the party behind him and all of those supporters desert. they have been anecdotal suggestions that labour members are handing back their cards because of his refusal to throw down his hand. he is doing all he can to avoid having to embrace the idea of a second referendum. just a thought as we wait for the speech, beyond what is going on with theresa may and jeremy corbyn, what else parliament can do to move this forward ? i mentioned earlier the nick boles plan which was floated earlier which
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is this idea of a liaison select committee chairman, so the most senior committee in parliament taking control of the brexit agenda. putting a motion down, amending the statement on monday from theresa may to say in effect she has so much time to come to a conclusion if she can't we will handed over to a liaison committee which will come up a bill and it will be voted upon in the house of commons. that is the mandate theresa may has to negotiate. last night members of the liaison committee said they didn't like it. they kicked off about it and don't want to do it. they are going to have to find some other mechanism to do this. and indicative votes are something tony blair was talking about in the interview this morning, where a series of proposals are put to the vote to give mps an idea of what might get the most support. the problem is you might get some
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kind of bash street kids.. nobody will get a majority and it can be a scene of disarray. that is the advantage that theresa may has. if parliament is at sixes and sevens and her opponents can't work out what they want, the prime minister may well take the view that she can press with may well take the view that she can press - with some rework of her press ahead with some rework of her plan. 0k, plan. ok, let's see
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