tv The Papers BBC News March 13, 2019 11:30pm-12:01am GMT
hello. this is bbc news with shaun ley. we go further ahead. monday, a quieter day. average temperatures, we'll be taking a look at tomorrow morning's papers in a moment, light winds and some sunshine. first the headlines. what's the difference? it is down to the jetstream. at the the ayes to the right, 321, the noes what's the difference? it is down to thejetstream. at the moment, we have a powerful one slamming into the uk but further ahead it will to the left, 278. mps have rejected leaving bomb its way further north. allowing the european union without a deal under any circumstances. those voting included several ministers who defied theresa may's instructions. it's another heavy setback milderair bomb its way further north. allowing for the prime minister, milder air but also allowing high pressure to build in the south of who warned mps that a delay the uk so quieter weather in the to brexit is now highly likely, unless they back a deal. outlook. the jetstream still close to the south of the uk. we could the legal default in uk and eu law remains that the uk will leave stay —— c quieter weather by the the eu without a deal unless... unless something else is agreed. time we get into next week. maybe some return of early morning frosts. earlier today in his spring statement, the chancellor urged a cross—party compromise on brexit to lift the "cloud —— see quieter weather. of uncertainty" hanging over the economy. in the event of a no—deal brexit, ministers say that tariffs would be cut on a range of imports
and there'd be no new checks at the irish border. the united states, the home of boeing, finally bows to pressure and joins other countries grounding the boeing 737 max 8 — the new variation of its best selling aeroplane which has crashed twice in six months. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are anna isaac, economics and trade correspondent from the telegraph, and polly mackenzie, the chief exec of cross party think—tank demos. tomorrow's front pages are in. let us look at some of the ones we have had in in the last hour. almost all are leading on what happened in the commons earlier this evening. the guardian describes the pm's
humiliation and says she's now warned tory rebels to "back me or lose brexit". the financial times also leads on the ultimatum given to tory brexiteers and describes parliament seizing control of brexit. the express urges mps to "not let the eu bullies win the day" and suggest mps are trying to "sabotage brexit". the metro goes with "it's a total no—no" and says theresa may has lost her bargaining chip with the eu after tonight's defeats. the mail says "chaos reigns" as theresa may loses control and says she's considering a third vote on her deal. the times goes with "brexit meltdown" and also suggests the pm is already preparing a third vote on her deal. the telegraph warns that brexit will be delayed, and names a "gang of four" rebel ministers who abstained on tonight's vote. and moving away from brexit, the sun claims that, according to a netflix documentary, madeleine mccann is still alive and was taken by traffickers.
writes, shaun and polly —— anna and polly, let us begin with the daily mail. chaos reigns, does it? i mean, basically, yes, i don't normally agree with the daily mail but on this they are correct. so what happened is that the government ended up voting against its own motion, whipping a vote, in order to try and say that no deal was a possibility, it wasn't a possibility almost 29th, and then forced into saying that no deal is kind of of the table with this slight problem that, legally, no deal remains the default option, as we saw theresa may explaining. so they would have to change the law. they would have to change the law. they would have to change the law. they would have to change the law do something. the options are agree to her deal, and she has said there will be another meaningful vote on her deal next week, without even the figleaf that week, without even the figleaf that we had last time that she would renegotiate it. the speaker could
rule that out. technically you are not allowed to put the same thing multiple times. lots of people having lengthy debates about it on twitter. in the end, i think the speaker will not be hidebound by rules, because we have basically... we have torn to pieces the royal box —— rulebook of the house of commons. people abstaining and keeping their jobs doppler chaos reigns, true. we don't know how it will be made. there will be some kind of extension. the question is is it a short extension or a long extension? if it is 21 months, then the options are incredibly open. there could be are incredibly open. there could be a general election, another referendum, some people are advocating for a deliberative democracy process, like a citizens' jury, which i think would bring the country together on this divisive issue. anna, the daily mail, it says
theresa may risks losing brexit altogether. we have heard that before and some brexiteers have described it as an empty threat. is that threat more or less empty tonight? that is a really difficult question. it is a strange situation to be in where she does not want no deal ruled out altogether, yet the best way to strengthen that statement of have brexit on withdrawl agreement terms or have no brexit at all is actually to rule out a no deal. it is a bit counterintuitive sometimes, this statement. i'm not sure she has convinced many. i don't think you would have had the rebellion against herfrom some remain minded ministers that you had today, if they had genuinely thought that it was a binary choice between that man 01’ no was a binary choice between that man or no brexit. i think they believe no deal is a very real possibility. you have both wings of the conservative party utterly convinced that no deal can still happen. partly because of the nature of the legal situation that we have just
described. so, no, idon't legal situation that we have just described. so, no, i don't think that message sold before, i don't think it sells now, and it also has an extra layer of political misfortune attached to it, because it is what has been repeated at several points by leading european figures. not least jean-claude juncker on monday night with theresa may sitting next to him. it sounded like he was reading the government script. i think that has been very unhelpful in terms of a strategy. it does not make it seem independent, it can make a scene week. it makes it can make a scene week. it makes it harderfor her sue it can make a scene week. it makes it harder for her sue seem that she is having the argument based on uk interest and terms as opposed to having this term is dictated by the eu. in terms of how you it's been a political message, i think it has been very fragile. let us move under the express, polly, don't let eu bullies windy day —— move onto. the express is a strongly brexiteer paper. ina express is a strongly brexiteer paper. in a sense it has a point, effectively now, if no deal is ruled
out, the government has lost its last kind of bit of negotiating room that might have helped it, when we come up to the wire, get the eu to blink. that would be true if the threat of no deal was genuinely a useful kind of negotiating tactic. people often use this metaphor that if you are trying to buy a house, you wouldn't say i will take it at any price, you would offer to walk away. most negotiations, that is true. but in most negotiations if you walk away went up with the status quo. in this negotiation it is much more like selling a house when you have already decided that you are going to move out. no deal isn't a negotiating chip for us, because the consequences of no deal are bad for the european union, but catastrophic for the uk. it is a misguided hypothesis from the brexiteer right that it was ever
useful. in fact, in these international negotiations, and the funny thing is, anna will know more about this than me, actually when you hear the brexiteers talking about trade negotiations, they always talk about it as being about mutual respect and mutual cooperation in offering benefits to each side, they talk about those negotiations in a much more grown—up way than the childish way they characterise this negotiation, which is all about throwing the toys out of the pram. i think that arises from a fundamental disagreement on whether or not you separate out those two things. i think for a lot of people, certainly within the political class, who supported brexit, they have seen no separation between this withdrawal agreement and the final relationship we have, because of the nature of the northern irish backstop. so for them it is that they are constrained from having — trade negotiation that they wa nt to having — trade negotiation that they want to have. the fundamental problem is that no—one has found a
trade based solution for the northern irish question. that is what you saw this story around tarus today, you had a special carveout for northern ireland because there is no way to have an independent trade policy that doesn't either just apply to great britain or to northern ireland in a manner that has been devised so far the doesn't have a hard irish border. it was make just have a hard irish border. it was makejust a have a hard irish border. it was make just a fait accompli. let me move make just a fait accompli. let me m ove o nto make just a fait accompli. let me move onto your paper, the daily telegraph, it is nailing its colours fairly firmly to the mast. brexit delays until further notice, after gang of four rebels. well, yes. i think there is a certain amount of frustration, particularly about the narrative of this rebellion. my understanding, partly from seeing some of the tweets around this story, is a number10 some of the tweets around this story, is a number 10 aide told people go for it, you won't have to resign. this is a big problem, because you either have cabinet collective responsibility or you don't. it is a super binary thing.
the continued sort of punch and judy show we see in the papers, you had liam fox last week saying he waits for the papers to come out before the cabinet minutes because then he knows what the meeting was. it is funny but it also feeds into the kind of problem we have here, which is an extraordinary situation wherein a three line whip, that would ordinarily mean that if you go against this it is a resignation matter... against this it is a resignation matter. . . and against this it is a resignation matter... and if you fail to vote for it, it is not even voting against, it is abstaining, which is what they did. ajunior minister did resign on principle. sarah minister, —— sarah newton. she announced she was resigning and voted against. she did the proper thing to do. and normally, those who didn't, who voted or abstained would have automatically been sacked. absolutely. if there is anything they can't afford to do now is to
lose both amber rudd and greg clark at this point in time. and they know it. and that understanding is very much shared. the problem is, though, you had the flip—flopping as to whether this vote would be whipped and this fees out of an extremely wicked government before you have this rebellion taking place. last night they established it would be a free vote on the main motion, then it was will it, won't it, this amendment, will or won't it be whipped? and then you have a situation where the government is so out of control that people have forgotten they are the people who put this vote on the table in the first place and they are the ones having to whip against it because an amendment has been laid. there's extraordinary. really extraordinary. some interesting blogs have been written on this subject tonight. went through, item by item, the extraordinary things that happened
in barely this space of an hour this evening. it must be very hard for people to realise what was going on. just next to the photographs of the fourmps, a picture, just next to the photographs of the four mps, a picture, possibly theresa may won't even recognise him from this, he shaved off the bed that used to distinguish him. nick timothy, he wrote a commentary. we used to be one of theresa may's closest advisers. he was a colleague of sorts of mind... when you were in the coalition. he waits for theresa may in the home office and he was one of her most loyal aides. really instrumental in some of the wonderfully ambitious and exciting things she talked about in that famous speech on the steps of downing street, her industrial strategy, her absolute commitment to
tackling what she called burning injustices. a real thinker, contributed to her mission. but it's like this is his, i don't know about evil or good twin, but just like this is his, i don't know about evil or good twin, butjust some 20 was not him, he has written in this column as though he has never met the woman or taken any responsibility. this level of self—awareness to me is extraordinary. this is a man who we nt extraordinary. this is a man who went into numberio extraordinary. this is a man who went into number 10 with her, was one of the joint chiefs of staff, and in those very early days, when she had to make a decision about her opening redlines for brexit, that lancaster house beach, party co nfe re nce lancaster house beach, party conference speech, he helped crafty strategy that has got into this mess. for him to now, two years later, to say it is all her fault is just... i don't have words for it that one can say on the television, frankly. i was found him, that one can say on the television, frankly. iwas found him, as that one can say on the television, frankly. i was found him, as a person, perfectly charming and affable and friendly, actually, but i don't know how you stay alive with this level of self—awareness. i don't know how you stay alive with this level of self-awareness. his first line is "the prime minister has lost her ability to lead her party, her governments, and the country." it party, her governments, and the country. " it is party, her governments, and the country." it is pretty clear that whatever relationship they might have been...
just to be fair, i think that is a fairly accurate summation. a week from now we will all be watching theresa may on her way to brussels with the deal into her hand able to say to you yes, give us an extension but the deal is done and we can talk about the trade relations. will we then reconsider our assessments of theresa may? i won't disagree that she will be defined by the brexit outcome and as many cabinet ministers have said, we will be a cabinet entirely defined by what has happened. people do fundamentally believe they are acting on principle as well. it is a super ideological and not just to as well. it is a super ideological and notjust to driven by career is on. although there are some exceptions. they have gone to amber rudd arriving at the vote before they did this shocking thing and
abstaining against the government's instructions. in the end, we are sort of no further back even if we are no further forward. it has been the most active and busy day. i was on college green earlier. the campaigners, the whistles, the noises. it seems so febrile. yet nothing has changed. theresa may's famous line nothing has changed remains true. even though it looks dead, there isn't a particularly viable alternative. i keep coming back to the sense that every single possible outcome feels impossible.
her deal gets through by a process of wearing people down. you were talking about a strategy of fatigue. if they do that, the question of asking for something more radical like a people 's vote or god forbid a general election starts to be back on the table. are any of those feasible? people 's vote or a general election? i think the fear is that if these politicians have to return to the polls and they haven't fixed brexit, they are all in their various ways going to be in a real
pickle because if you don't fix brexit before you have a general election, the general election is going to bejust election, the general election is going to be just about what you have done on brexit so far. if you compare it to the tariff lists, you look at which industries might be affected, it becomes a very, very challenging. there was an mp for middlesbrough, his constituents are in the steel industry was that he might have to back a deal that he didn't want. the labour party doesn't have a viable alternative either. they are still talking about what we really need being a jobs first brexit, is if that means anything. there is no political leadership to be seen anywhere. not noticeable by its presence. let's move noticeable by its presence. let's m ove o nto noticeable by its presence. let's move onto something you might feel quite strongly about is boeing. the
economic impact could be enormous for one of the us's most important companies. but the safety question is enormous for anybody who travels by plane. two relatively new aircraft which have both crashed separately within six months of each other. you have a company championed politically by the us. donald trump has backed them to the hilt throughout tate — make trade negotiations by canada. a whole range of issues. we saw their share price on the 11th go down to a level not seen since 2011. beyond the financial crisis. at the opening bail, they lost 12%. they are now down again 2.5% thanks to donald trump and essentially the us and the civil aviation authority saying actually, we have two ground these aircraft. the astonishing thing is
they didn't do it a few days ago when other countries were moving so fast. which begs again the question how great this had to be for a big american company to be delayed in that decision and also donald trump using very heavily caveat had language. there are really great company, the way that donald trump says the word really. you can't not have damage in this situation. the company is going to really suffer as a result. it's possible the problems could be corrected, the software could be corrected, the software could be corrected, the software could be sorted, the pilots could be properly trained and briefed about what to do in this scenario with the system to stop instability with the ﬂight system to stop instability with the flight first taking of being cut out so it doesn't cause the nose to drop on the plane to plummet. even if all that happens, there are airlines who
will probably say we bought this aircraft in good faith. there was a flaw in it, we spent money buying in replacement aircraft while these we re replacement aircraft while these were grounded and you owe us big time. i think norwegian air is already saying exactly that. they will be a lot of work for lawyers in the resolution of this assuming, as you say, it can be resolved because lam sure you say, it can be resolved because i am sure boeing will have their upstream people in terms of who designed the software or who the engineers work and they will be a lot of blaming and potentially a lot of liability for those companies. boeing, ata of liability for those companies. boeing, at a very competitive sector, will be really, really profoundly affected by this. it is worth reminding that aviation remains and its very safe way to travel. that remains a very safe way. but it is so terrifying and catastrophic when an accident does happen that people rightly get very fearful of this. one of the flight
tracker systems allowed you to book flights by saying not this particular flight. it shows flights by saying not this particularflight. it shows how strongly passengers felt about it. we are all flying off now. thank you for your company. that's it for the papers tonight. don't forget you can see the front pages of the papers online on the bbc news website. it's all there for you — seven days a week at bbc.co.uk/papers. and if you miss the programme any evening you can watch it later on bbc iplayer. thank you anna isaac and polly mackenzie. goodbye. hello, this is sport today, live from the bbc sport centre. coming up on this programme: so liverpool were 3—1 winners over bayern munich
and lionel messi scored twice for barcelona as they progressed 5—1 in the second leg at home to lyon after both matches had ended goalless in the opening legs. a brilliant piece of skill. it was 1-1 a brilliant piece of skill. it was 1—1 soon when there was an own goal. liverpool had to wait for the second half of this. liverpool 2—1 ahead. the best goal was saved for last. it means the premier league now has four clubs in the last date. barcelona survived a small scare but in the airand barcelona survived a small scare but in the air and went through with a canter. they went to a head thanks to lionel massey‘s penalty. they got one back in the second half. nervous
moments. barcelona eventually 5—1. norwich has gone back to the top of the championship in london. they beat hull 3—2. brilliant goal. it doesn't all happening in the champions league. yesterday declan rice was named ireland's young player of the year. —— yesterday declan rice was named ireland's young player of the year today he's in the england squad for this month's euro 2020 qualifiers. the west ham midfielder has been capped 3 times by the republic, but they were only friendlies and — at his request — fifa switched his nationality last week. he's the only new face in a 25 man squad to face the czech republic at wembley a week on friday and then
the match away in montenegro 3 days later. the 11 to 4 on favourite — with the dark cap in the centre here — was farfrom dominant and was challenged late on in the race. the runaway favourite altior won the big race of the day at cheltenham, the queen mother champion chase. it was a record equalling 18th consecutive victory for the horse. no doubt the star of the day here. it certainly wasn't easy. he was under pressure coming over the last but he held on to win the queen mother champion chase for the second year running. a record equalling 18th when. —— record equalling win. the cross—country race was won by remarkable fashion, by a street, some 22 lengths clear of his nearest
rivals. not surprisingly, he is the strong favourite to retain his crown next month. the main accolades today going to altior. there was an awful lot of buildup today. to pull it out of the way he did to battle up the hill. he is one of the best, a horse of his generation. the way the crowd have wanted to him showed today and we must appreciate him and enjoy him while he is here. probably not his favourite ground but there was a battle on. that is the great thing about him. he has an enormous amount of talent. it proved today he is very brave as well because he had to dig a bit deep and as soon as things got to get a bit serious, he was off
and away again. that is all the sport for now. see you again soon. good evening to you. storm gareth is actually dominating our weather. things are looking active in the atlantic. further weather systems heading our way over the next few days with more blustery weather on the way. overnight tonight, cloud, outbreaks of rain, pushing southwards. not much in the way of rain in south england. overnight lows. perhaps feeling a little on the chilly side. low pressure on charge on thursday. we will have cloud and rain to start the way that start the day. further blustery showers are feeding in on these strong north—westerly winds. winds that could gust to a0 or 50 mph in
places and it is a wins that strong that will make you feel on cool side. temperatures will only be around 70 degrees and 30 celsius the top temperature in london. through thursday evening, thursday night. rain spread back. northern ireland and scotland seeing further showers and scotland seeing further showers and some could be wintry. a contrast in temperatures. ten in cardiff and three in aberdeen. for friday, cloud pushing southwards. neverfar three in aberdeen. for friday, cloud pushing southwards. never far away from southwest england but for many of us, the skies will brighten up. over the hills, the showers are having a wintry flavour. ranging from six and 13. low pressure moves in. a stormy spell coming up on saturday. there will be snow around as well. rain to come around the
country. snow across the hills, the worse 22—3 elevation. as the rat — make band of rain pushes through, a big drop in temperatures and strong gusts of wind. a squally start of the weekend that begins left wendy on sunday. —— less windy. i'm kasia madera in westminster, as the uk government suffers fresh defeats over its brexit policy. the ayes to the right, 321, the noes to the left, 278. mps vote to rule out leaving the eu without a formal agreement — something the government had wanted to keep as an option. theresa may warns mps that if they don't back a deal in the coming days, the uk could yet