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in the uk, that would elections in the uk, that would likely come particularly in the current climate, deliver large numbers of very eurosceptic mps to the european parliament which com pletely the european parliament which completely ripped up all their plans. so i believe they won't extend article 50, and by the way, importantly, we can stop it anyway. we have a veto. if the prime minister says don't extend it, it isn't extended. we don't need to do that, it's ten days away, let's do what 17.4 that, it's ten days away, let's do whati7.1i million that, it's ten days away, let's do what 17.4 million people wanted that, it's ten days away, let's do what17.4 million people wanted and just leave. but say that doesn't happen say the government present a choice of perhaps bringing their deal back to parliament, while other mps are saying if that doesn't get passed we will try and further delay brexit. what will you do if you feel you are being faced with that choice. mps tried to sabotage brexit tonight. it failed. they tried to launch a coup against the british people. but other mps defeated them to their absolute, eternal credit. that didn't work and in ten days from now we are due to leave the
european union which is what17.4 million people voted for. at the end of the day, the people are sovereign, not members of parliament. we don't like the people, they elect us. we are there to obey their instruction and they gave us in order to leave so for god sake let's just leave. gave us in order to leave so for god sake let'sjust leave. thank you for your time. so some different reactions coming out of the commons chamber tonight, i've been speaking to people who have been proponents of this idea of mps trying to take more control, they don't seem to be giving up. it looks like we could head for another round of indicative results in some form on wednesday. looking at some of the reaction from the chamber this evening, hilary benn who sits at the chair of brexit committee, says theresa may is willing to request a longer extension to article 50. that'll be a next step that many people are demanding the labour benches and if there is a labour extension there will be a debate about keeping the
party in the european elections and i'm reading there is anger on the labour benches this evening among those who supported common market 2.0, the likes of steven kanik because he is saying they backed the people'svote motion and they're looking for their softer version of brexit but he says that 33 people'svote colleagues abstained on the boles motion and it was defeated by 21. so those 33 that abstained would have the difference. let's ci’oss would have the difference. let's cross to chris mason who has been looking at some of the reaction. what you make of that? four votes, four noes, again. there is a real sense in mps of their understanding, having spent a week in their constituencies, that the headline inescapably constituencies, that the headline inesca pably tonight is constituencies, that the headline inescapably tonight is a four giant noes in capital letters. and i spent a week talking to constituents who are of saying variations, pull your finger out and get on with it,
coalesce around something. i'm proud has failed to do that. the frustration for an individual mps that they are one individual of 650 and they have their views or their willingness to compromise around views but they can't necessarily, to great or lesser extent are free, they can't cajole others in a particular direction. all they can do is fall back on the point of view that their lack of decision reflects the divisions that exist within the country. but ultimately that doesn't get as any further forward. picking up get as any further forward. picking up on the point you made a second ago, the gaming of results tonight and the frustration of that. i was chatting to a senior mp a couple of minutes ago and there is real frustration about that. when you look at this platter of options, some mps were inclined to back one of the other even if they had to live with something they didn't endorse, because they wanted to see a particular option get higher up in the pecking order of row votes.
others were looking to ensure their opening but the closest to getting an overall majority. so you had people who are keen on the referendum pointing to the peter kyle motion, which got the highest number of endorsements at 280, but if you're a fan of the customs union you point out that years at 270 got the closest to getting a majority, because the opposing number on that one was 276. so a huge amount of gaming still going on. i hope, from some mps, that come wednesday there is still potential to coalesce around something. —— there is hope from some mps. but that's what they said last time and it didn't happen. the cabinet didn't vote tonight, with the prime minister changed her mind on that? the cabinet didn't vote because they are divided on a lot of the stuff and if they did vote then a lot of those divisions would be exposed in less than glorious technicolor, as far as downing street is concerned. the other, very small reason tonight,
why particular individual, couldn't make it, which some mps are pointing to, small and the scale of things but important to individual mps. you get a real sense of the proponents of these various arguments are clutching at straws, even if numbers change a little bit it doesn't look like there will be a solid, sustainable majority for anything and so you do wonder if any of these options are going to provide the prime minister or the government with anything to work with other than being able to say to those brexiteers who haven't yet been persuaded to vote for the government's deal that any other option proposed by this parliament is likely to be a softer version of brexit, a closer relationship with the european union, than the one the government is advocating. but frankly, that argument has been tried by government whips and others for months on end and it has worked a certain extent, the scale of defeat for the government has come down, but not by any where near enough as far as they're concerned if they're going to get this over the line in the next week or so. and
thatis the line in the next week or so. and that is what the leaders in european council were saying last week, they are not looking for a confirmatory vote, they are looking for a stable majority that can take one of these options through the house of commons, the house of lords and turn it into legislation. chris, thank you very much indeed. lots from mps tonight, saying that various other sites, other factions tonight, saying that various other sites, otherfactions in the house weren't prepared to compromise. let's cross to jessica weren't prepared to compromise. let's cross tojessica parker, she got anna soubry with her. anna soubry from the independent groupjoins me anna soubry from the independent group joins me now. anna soubry from the independent groupjoins me now. first, nick boles resigned the conservative whip in dramatic style, do you think he willjoin you on the independent group? i don't know but he would be very welcome. i share his values, he shares mine, we both came into parliament at the same time, he is a sensible, great brain, so much to offer, he is a sensible, moderate, one nation conservative who, like the other three of us found that it's not us that's changed, it's the party that has changed. and i think
increasingly there are exactly the sort of conservatives realising the party is not only falling to pieces but actually the future of it, we saw with dominic grieve, the vote of no confidence in him, is moving to the right and it is moving to the right at a very, very fast pace. to be clear, you didn't have any prior discussions with nick boles? be clear, you didn't have any prior discussions with nick boles7|j be clear, you didn't have any prior discussions with nick boles? i had no idea at all. i think everybody was... uchitel when he stood up that something was going to happen because he was clearly very upset, as he would be. —— you to leave your party, when you have been elected and you have given so much to your party, these are very big decisions, important decisions for some people, from almost. i wasn't quite that catchy groove but for some it is. what did you vote in favour of tonight? i want people to vote and i also voted for the s&p, joanna cherry‘s motion about what would happen in the event of no deal, we would just stop the whole thing and
rightly so. —— snp. i didn't vote for the customs union because it wouldn't have what we call the regulatory alignment, for frictionless trade in the manufacturing sector is absolutely desperate for, i couldn't vote for nick's and then ben, it's not his, it belongs to a load of people, i think what was going to happen with it it was a temporary solution. it would be put properly into a treaty with the european union and he said it would need an extension, of course we would, we would have to reopen all the negotiations with the eu to do it properly so we would need a long extension. unlike a lot of people we were really worried that the prime minister would just stick it in what we call the future framework and not really deliver on it. and you voted as a group, so interestingly, if we look at the customs union proposal, but only lost by three votes. so if they change your mind...? lost by three votes. so if they change your mind. . . ? the other thing, of course, that the people'svote which labour whipped on
but 16 labour mps didn't vote for the people'svote, so they defied their whip, but the good news on the people'svote is that there were 15 conservatives that did vote for it, so the conservatives almost double the numbers. and if you had a vote that included the cabinet, remember, they were excluded from all of this, i think people'svote could get through. i'vejust i think people'svote could get through. i've just been with peter kyle who picked for the amendment i voted for, which is whatever deal that we settle on, put it to the british people. and theresa may could do that. she could do it tomorrow. you could say, i've got my withdrawal agreement, negotiated it with the european union, she thinks it's rather good, put it to the british people and this whole thing would be done by september or october. and finally, given that stephen barclay stood up tonight, saying, pilate has failed yet again to reach a conclusion, he talked about it, seem to be hinting at the possibility of bringing the deal back. do you really think your hopes of another referendum can really be
revived at this stage of the game? what do you think will happen on wednesday? we still got the highs vote of any of the options before parliament. you're not giving up? goodness, no! the british people are entitled to change their mind, just like mps change their mind, the way that they are voting. they did on her withdrawal agreement, they did tonight again. they are allowed to change their minds and vote again, but the british people aren't? it is right to go | now they know what people. but now they know what brexit looks like and young people people. but now they know what bre) are oks like and young people people. but now they know what bre) are bearing and young people people. but now they know what bre) are bearing the young people people. but now they know what bre) are bearing the burden aeople people. but now they know what bre) are bearing the burden of)ple people. but now they know what bre) are bearing the burden of brexit who are bearing the burden of brexit are entitled to have a boat about the future. it's the most democratic thing to do settle it because it will either be the deal, we know what we will get with brexit and that will be delivered, or if people realise the best deal is the current deal we have with the eu, we will remain within the european union. and a quick 1—word answer, another round of addictive votes on wednesday? that is a very good idea.
indicative votes. —— indicative votes. i hope we could see an amalgam, and motion with the customs union, you might have regulations there as well, and the people'sfolk. i think we could get it through. thank you so much for your time. a lot of people who have been advocating their ideas whether it's another referendum, a customs union, don't necessarily seem to be put off by tonight's result, they're going to try to keep pushing on with those ideas later this week. jessica, thank you very much indeed. just to confirm, nick boles has tweeted this evening he won't be sitting with anna soubry‘s group in the independent group, he will be sitting as an independent, progressive merrimack conservative, he says, but clear that sheer frustration on his part this weekend. —— eight progressive
conservative. guy verhofstadt, on the brexit steering committee within the brexit steering committee within the european parliament, says the house of commons... you get a sense there that patience is running out on the part of the eu. let's go to brussels and speak to our europe correspondence, who has been following this. you get the sense there from that tweet that patience is running out, damien? yes, patients running out, frustration growing, gleam growing here in brussels because the automatic situation at the minute is that the uk is on a path to leaving the eu on friday next week, the 12th of april, with no deal because nothing is in place. in that process is automatic because the uk
triggered the process, at the minute, the end date is the 12th of april. and that will only change if the uk takes some sort of action, so what we saw tonight was failing to ta ke what we saw tonight was failing to take action on finding an alternative path, the only other option is for the uk to cancel brexit entirely. i think that is why many on the eu side watching expected tonight to be a deadlock again but it's also the result that they feared. they need the uk to come forward with a proposal of some sort for the eu to be able to respond to and potentially lengthen the deadlines again, otherwise the uk is out on friday. we just heard from anna soubry there, she says, we finished top of the pile this evening and certainly a confirmatory vote, second referendum, gets 280 votes this evening which is more than the 268 are caught in the first round, so 12 more mps backing it. but you look at all the options and
you wonder whether there is a sustainable coalition behind any of them? that will be the concern for european leaders, that even if you we re european leaders, that even if you were to get one of these across the line on wednesday, can you carry it through the house? yes, that the minute comedy can concern is nothing is even getting across the line. —— at the minute, the concern is. whatever the option, no majority is coming forward. there are blocking majorities on the other side. so eu leaders will gather in the city on the 10th of april and favell, if they have something presented to them by the uk, have to take a decision. —— they will. do they grantan decision. —— they will. do they grant an extension if that is what the uk is asking for or do they not? and one thing, you're right, they will consider is how likely is the uk to reach a resolution in the next few weeks, months, whatever they are being asked for or do they think it's better at this stage to look at this process and then, it's not getting anywhere, and increasingly
there are voices in the eu who do think that, his patience is running out. i think many are inclined to wa nt to out. i think many are inclined to want to grant that extension but they also see real difficulties in how the uk is going to resolve its own political gridlock because we've not even got an agreement in parliament let alone getting the government than to act on that. parliament let alone getting the government than to act on thatm the prime minister in the cabinet, there is a long meeting tomorrow, five or six hours we are told, she will meet the political cabinet and then the full cabinet later on. if she is to come to a decision that there is no way up through this right now, they want to press pause on it, get involved in the european elections which would be controversial in itself, take a long extension to restart the process, what would be the reaction there if there was no coalescing around one particular direction? that is sort of the nightmare scenario for brussels because they've set to conditions. —— two conditions. one is, if you want a long extension, they've said to the the uk must take
pa rt they've said to the the uk must take part in european elections. if the uk agrees to that, the second condition it does not meet, which is, have a clear plan, the eu faces a difficult choice. they will ask theresa may, i think on the 10th of april, if she asks for that extension, how do you see things progressing? how will you reach a resolution in the uk? what sort of resolution in the uk? what sort of resolution do you think you're seeking? what is your government's position and how will you achieve that? and if they don't get clear a nswe i’s that? and if they don't get clear a nswers to that? and if they don't get clear answers to that there will be a difficult discussion around that table of 27 leaders, with some of them, we already saw in the last summit, if you days ago, president macron, some of the others, we saw some of the other countries around the table, very difficult to find them, to convince them, if the uk cannot make a convincing case as well. indeed, it took six or seven hours the other week to come to a conclusion. thank you very much
indeed. things will come to head on you sense. let's take a look at how today's vote plays on tomorrow's front pages. that is all coming up. that's at 11:30 in the papers — our guests joining shaun ley in the studio tonight are lucy fisher, defence correspondent at the times, and sebastian payne, whitehall correspondent at the financial times. interesting things to look at, no doubt. clear skies for some overnight after what has been a glorious day for england, highs of 17 degrees, but fast forward a day and this is what to expect. 9 degrees as a daytime maximum, a real shock to the system. all because of this cold front starting to push its way in from the north—west, it's driving in colder airand in all the north—west, it's driving in colder air and in all the way down from the artic. it's bringing some rain at
the moment across scotland and northern ireland, snow to higher ground as well, and that will gradually drift its way south and east over the next few hours. that weather front overnight tonight will sit across the borders, down into the north of england, down towards wales. ahead of it, we keep some clear skies, if you isolated showers, not quite as cold, temperature sitting at perhaps 4—6 first thing but colder pushing in behind, low single figures into the far north—west. despite some early morning sunshine across east anglia and the london area, cloud will thicken up with a frontal system gradually drifting its way south—east. behind it, quite experience, we should see some decent spells of sunshine into the afternoon for some. if you dodge the showers. but there was showers could be pretty slow moving and there will be pretty slow moving and there will be hail, thunder, even some snow at the tops of higher ground as well. it will be a noticeably cooler story
for all of us, 6—8 in the north, highest values to the south of 8-10dc. as highest values to the south of 8—10dc. as we move out of tuesday, we will continue to see some sharp showers in northern ireland, wales and the south—west for a time, and and the south—west for a time, and an area of low pressure develops into the north sea which will cause some issues for wednesday. driving cloud and rain off the north sea, that will feel really quite raw, and againa bit that will feel really quite raw, and again a bit of a wintry flavour mixed with any elevation. sheltered areas seeing the best of the sunshine and best of the warmth by wednesday afternoon, highs of 7—10, but factor in the strength of the wind, feeling quite brawl on that east coast, particularly in the cloud and rain. no sign of significant change through thursday and friday, still pretty chilly. take care.
this is bbc news. the headlines at 11:00: mps reject all of the latest four alternative brexit proposals to theresa may's deal. this house has continuously rejected leaving without a deal, just as it has rejected not leaving at all. therefore, the only option is to find a way through which allows the uk to leave with a deal. cani can i remind the house that the prime minister's unacceptable deal has been overwhelmingly rejected three times? the conservative member and remainer nick boles dramatically quits the tory party whip in the commons.