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hello, i'm ros atkins, this is outside source. theresa may has a new plan for brexit. this debate, this division cannot this is bbc news, i'm clive myrie. drag on much longer. the headlines at 8pm. it is putting members of parliament and everyone else under immense pressure, and it is doing damage theresa may says the uk needs an to our politics. extension to brexit, and offers to there was a promise to find sit down with labour‘sjeremy corbyn compromise with the opposition to end the stalemate. labour party, and there was this this debate, this division cannot drag on much longer. it is putting members request for the eu. of parliament and everyone else under immense pressure, and it is doing damage we will need a further to our politics. extension of article 50. one that is as short as possible, in which ends when we pass a deal. i'm very happy to meet her. we need to have a discussion with the prime donald tusk has indicated he'll be patient, but will brexiteers minister, we need to ensure that within theresa may's cabinet feel the same? parliament has an opportunity to we'll be live in westinster and brussels. vote on proposals that will prevent it's another breathless head—spinning day us vote on proposals that will prevent us crashing out of the eu at the end in the brexit story. of next week. let us be patient is the response from donald tusk to eu leaders, but the scottish national party is
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unimpressed. this is a process we are engaged in in parliament. there is a bill being dropped tomorrow that would extend the article 50 process. and what we are seeing tonight is the prime ministers seems to want to ignore that and engage in a fireside chat with jeremy corbyn. that and engage in a fireside chat withjeremy corbyn. that's not acceptable. theresa may has announced that the government will seek a further extension to the brexit process. in a statement in downing street earlier this evening, which followed seven hours of cabinet discussions, the prime minister said the delay should be as short as possible. mrs may offered to work with the labour leader, jeremy corbyn, to find a deal both parties could support. she said it would have to include her withdrawal agreement. in the past hour, the labour leader has said he's "very happy" to meet the prime minister.
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let's hear the prime minister's statement in full. i've just come from chairing seven hours of cabinet meetings, focused on finding a route out of the current impasse. one that will deliver the brexit that the british people voted for, and allow us to move on in bringing our divided country back together. i know there are some who are so fed up with delay and endless arguments that they would like to leave with no deal next week. i've always been clear that we could make a success of no—deal in the long term. but leaving with a deal is the best solution. so we will need a further extension of article 50, one that is as short as possible and which ends when we pass a deal. and we need to be clear what such an extension is for. to ensure that we leave in a timely and orderly way. this debate, this division cannot drag on much longer. it is putting members of parliament and everyone else
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under immense pressure, and it is doing damage to our politics. despite the best efforts of mps, the process that the house of commons has tried to lead has not come up with an answer. so today, i'm taking action to break the logjam. i'm offering to sit down with the leader of the opposition and to try to agree a plan that we would both stick to to ensure that we leave the european union, and that we do so with the deal. any plan would have to agree the current withdrawal agreement. it has already been negotiated with the 27 other members, and the eu has repeatedly said that it cannot and will not be reopened. what we need to focus on is our future relationship with the eu. the ideal outcome of this process would be to agree and approach on a future relationship that delivers on the result of the referendum, that both the leader of the opposition and i could put to the house
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for approval, and which i could then take the next week's european council. however, if we cannot agree on a single unified approach, then we would instead agree a number of options for the future relationship that we could put to the house in a series of votes to determine which course to pursue. crucially, the government stands ready to abide by the decision of the house, but to make this process work, the opposition would need to agree to this as well. the government would then bring forward the withdrawal agreement bill. we would want to agree a timetable to this bill to ensure it is passed before 22 may, so that the united kingdom need not take part in european parliamentary elections. this is a difficult time for everyone. passions are running high on all sides of the argument. but we can and must find the compromises that will deliver what the british people voted for.
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this is a decisive moment in the story of these islands, and it requires national unity to deliver the national interest. prime minister speaking from number ten. jeremy corbyn has been giving his reaction this evening. he was asked when he first heard that the prime minister wanted further discussions with him. i saw on the television this afternoon, i listened very carefully, and i read a statement. we need to have a discussion with the prime minister, we need to make sure parliament has an opportunity to vote on the proposals that will prevent us crashing out of the eu at the end of next week. and we also need to ensure that we give security and certainty to the people of this country that there will not be a crashing out at the end of this process. what will your negotiating position be when you meet the prime
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minister? what will you be demanding of her? we put forward our proposals, which are to ensure that there is a customs union that the european union, that there is access to those markets, and above all, protections of our standards, environmental and workers' rights. and we will ensure that those are there on the table, so that there is fio there on the table, so that there is no danger of crashing out. but we are also very clear that there has to be an absolute guarantee that the good friday maintains so that we continue with the process of peace in northern ireland. this could be a fairly major compromise from the prime minister. are you willing to compromise on labour‘s redlines? prime minister. are you willing to compromise on labour's redlines? so far she has not showed signs of compromise. but i'm pleased that today she announced she is prepared today she announced she is prepared to reach out and have that discussion. our bases are about protecting jobs and living standards, and ensuring that our trade continues in the future, and that we don't become some kind of deregulated offshore tax haven on
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the shores of europe. it is about supporting people and theirjobs, but it is also about the kind of country we are in the future, one that will be investing in the future of our people, one that will be guaranteeing higher living standards and better wages. would you be willing to meet the prime ministers somewhere around the middle around a simpler solution, rather than the guarantees you want? we voted for a customs union in the house yesterday, it narrowly lost. we understand the importance of it because that helps to maintain the trade. we will meet the prime minister. we recognise that she has made a move. i recognise my responsibility to represent the people that supported labour in the la st people that supported labour in the last election, and the people who didn't support labour but nevertheless want certainty and security for their own future. and thatis security for their own future. and that is the basis on which we will meet her. and we will have those discussions and proposals will be put to parliament to understand earlier next week so that we can
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avoid crashing out at the end of next week, and we can guarantee the protection of those jobs and that trade in the future. so it sounds as if you're in a compromising mood potentially? i have been meeting mps from all parties over the last couple of weeks. long discussions with a lot of colleagues, and it has beena very with a lot of colleagues, and it has been a very interesting process. and yes, there is some common ground and areas where it is difficult to agree on. but the principles have to be, as i've set out, that however people voted in the referendum in 2016, whether to remain or leave, they didn't vote for lower living standards or to lose theirjobs. and actually there's far more that unites people on both sides about the kind of society we can be then divides them. do you agree with the prime minister that it is important that britain does not take part in the european elections next month? it looks as if that may not be taking part in those elections. i don't see that as the most important issue one where the other. the most
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important issue is to make we don't crash out of the eu next week with fio crash out of the eu next week with no deal, and what i believe will be a degree of chaos that will follow asa a degree of chaos that will follow as a result of it. asking one last time about compromising in that case. are you saying you are willing to compromise on your bed lines if it means avoiding that crash out, which you believe will be so detrimental? we will discuss with the prime minister. i don't want to set any limits one where the other ahead of those meetings. i want you to understand the principles on which i will go into that meeting. recognising the needs of the people who elected all mps to parliament, and we need to avoid a dangerous crashing out. lastly, given you will be now be in negotiations with the prime minister, can we expect you not to bring a vote of no—confidence next week? we hold and reserve our right to bring a motion of no—confidence in the government if the government proves it is incapable of commanding a majority in the house of commons. time will tell on that. but our responsibility
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as the opposition is to make sure we don't out, and i believe it is to make sure we have a government that does command the majority in the house, and does indeed command the majority support across the country at the we don't have that. interesting thatjeremy corbyn said he only found out about this invitation from theresa may by watching tv. he was not asked in advance whether he would be willing to ta ke advance whether he would be willing to take part in those talks. very interesting, and those talks are likely to take place sometime later this week if the timetable to avoid a hard brexit, which is remember the default position of the uk in leaving the eu if no deal is agreed before that. that is coming up on 12 april. our chief political correspondent vicki young has been giving me her take on the latest developments. the no deal, which is still the legal fallback position, the no deal, which is still the
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legalfallback position, on the no deal, which is still the legal fallback position, on 12 april, she is saying there she will not do that. so instead she will go and ask for another delay to brexit. now as we know, it is in the eu's gift, they must unanimously agree to it, and they've said before clearly they will only do so if there is a clear plan, and there must be a plan. so that is why she is going to do it, she says she wants it to be short. that would suggest that what she is going to do — she's talking about changes to the political declaration. she is saying this future relationship, the uk's future relationship with the eu is the thing that could be changed very quickly, and that you have made it very clear. if you look at the rest of it, she talked about the bill still going through parliament by 20 to may, so the government doesn't ta ke to may, so the government doesn't take part in the european elections. that is still her plane democrat plan, but nothing has changed. something has changed for the first time ina something has changed for the first time in a very long time because she is suggesting she is prepared to cover my. indeed, 0k.
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is suggesting she is prepared to cover my. indeed, ok. so the next pa rt cover my. indeed, ok. so the next part of her statement says she is willing to sit down with the leader of the opposition, jeremy corbyn. now the hope is they will come to some kind of deal that parliament can later ratify. the problem is that her idea of where britain should be going injeremy corbyn‘s idea, the leader of the opposition, are poles apart. we are reading into what she's had to say here, but the fa ct what she's had to say here, but the fact she's willing to sit down with him, presumably she won't sit down with him and not be willing to compromise. the question is, where is she willing to compromise? most people think she wouldn't compromise over freedom of movement, people think she wouldn't compromise overfreedom of movement, for example, so the idea of any kind of single market membership could probably be ruled out. so what she might be looking at is some kind of customs union, something that the house of commons hasn't quite had a majority for so far in their indicative votes, and i could be something they may be able to agree on. the politics of this are still fascinating because there is still politics here. she is getting labour
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involved, so if jeremy politics here. she is getting labour involved, so ifjeremy corbyn is to go along with this, then his fingerprints will be all over brexit as well as hers. and up until now, that's not been the case, labour has really stood back and voted against her deal, and not gotten involved. will he be willing to get involved in this kind of brexit? because in the end, they will both have to compromise. because she has another plan as well, she may not be totally confident that that will work. but that will be incredibly unpopular with her own party, because many of them, dozens and dozens voted for a no—deal brexit. they would be perfectly happy to leave in just over eight week without a deal will stop and what you are already seeing is that those in the tory party who voted for her deal and have been warning the european research group about this, saying the hardest break that you will get is hers, if you don't back this then the only inevitable consequence is a much softer brexit, and that does look like what will be on the cart. 0k,
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so like what will be on the cart. 0k, so the very final point from her statement is that if some kind of agreement is not reached withjeremy corbyn, then we could get another series of indicative votes in parliament, and the government would be bound by whatever parliament says. they could be an election, another referendum ? but says. they could be an election, another referendum? but the government would be listening to what parliament said it a yellow thatis what parliament said it a yellow that is a huge suggestion from her to say that rather than succulent rather than fostering the process, they feel they did not allow the cabinet to vote on all that. there are questions here, will there be a free vote for everybody, or will they whip one way or the other? you must assume there is a free vote or else they are not truly indicative votes. then you have the problem where they have not coalesced around anything. but it feels if those talks with jeremy corbyn fail, anything. but it feels if those talks withjeremy corbyn fail, than all those options are back on the table. and if she says the government will go along with that, than everyone who has been fighting
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like cats and dogs to get their thing forward and get them to coalesce around that, they will now all think that there might be a chance for their referendum or option. after the prime minister's statement, the president of the european council, donald tusk, posted this tweet in which he called for patience. well, our europe correspondent, damian grammaticus, told me a little earlier, what brussels now wants to hear from theresa may following her downing street statement. the uk has to present a clear plan by the beginning of next week, preferably monday for the eu summit on wednesday, to consider. because if you look at what theresa may said, she's asking for an extension possibly up to 22 may, so the uk would not have to take part in the european elections. now this is something that the eu leaders have already dealt with, they had that big summit,
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their own long meeting late into the night that happened already a few days ago, and they were very clear that they would only be that extension if the withdrawal agreement is passed, so the uk could still do that. but if it goes down this route, as is now happening, what the eu said is no extension beyond the end of next week unless the uk commits to taking part in european elections. theresa may said just now that she did not want to do that, and i think that is a clear point of difficulty. and i do not see how, to be frank, the eu leaders will row back, because that was their stipulated, written in the conclusions after all of their hours of deliberation. all 27 countries put that down as the condition, so i think it is highly unlikely that they will now — it's difficult to see how they will now row back from that, because what they were doing there was saying they were protecting their own legal order,
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the legal integrity and certainty of their elections. they don't want an extension beyond 12 april, the last day the uk can commit to taking part in those. unless that's clear that's going to happen, so i think they are still going to say — it seems to me the most likely think they'll say is a clear plan or clear commitment to take part in action. the headlines on bbc news. theresa may says the uk needs an exception to brexit again. she is sitting down withjeremy corbyn to end the stalemate. jeremy corbyn has said he's happy to meet the prime minister to ensure the parliament can minister to ensure the parliament ca n vote minister to ensure the parliament can vote on proposals for the uk leaving without a deal by the end of next week. donald tusk tweeted to eu leaders,
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" let donald tusk tweeted to eu leaders, "let us be patient". let's go to the sports news. good evening. despite a record investment last summer — the most ever by a newly—promoted club — defeat send them back to the championship with five games remaining. and it's not going well — abdoulaye doucoure has watford ahead. manchester united could move up to third with a win at wolves, it's been a quick start — scott mctomminay put them ahead with his first goal for united. but diojojota has levelled it up in the last few minutes for the hosts. coverage on bbc radio 5live and the bbc sport website. england will be joined by scotland for the first time at the world cup.
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the deal will also taek in the next euriopean cahmpionship that will be hedl in england. —— take in the next european championship that will be held in england. northern ireland and wales have been involved in a joint home nations deal before, but the republic of ireland are included for the first time. and england's record goalscorer who retired from the international game in 2014, thinks deals like this will increase the players profile. my role models were males growing up, and i would have loved to have a female role model. my role model was sally gunnell, who was in athletics, not football. so if these brands can push some of the names, and they can be on billboards or make them household names that these young girls can look up and see, "i want to be like them". and know that they have a pathway or could even have a career to make it as a women's footballer. the championship side,
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who are in the relagtion zone, say that they they are unable to address the obligations of its safety certificate until after tomorrow's high court hearing, the club faces a winding up order over an unpaid tax bill. the players also went on strike yesterday after they weren't paid on time for the second month in a row. england cricketer alex hales has told the bbc its part of hisjob to be a role model. hales faced no criminal charges for his part in 2017's bristol nightclub fight, but he was suspended and then fined by a cricket discipline commission. now he wants to move on, with lessons he says learned. i was iwas in i was in the wrong place at the wrong time. and if we could all go change things, we would. but i u nfortu nately change things, we would. but i unfortunately can't, i have those consequences. but i like to think people deserve a second chance. that certainly how i look at things. to not be yourself in the situations in
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the micro it is not in a place you wa nt to the micro it is not in a place you want to be. i would be a bit more mature and make sensible decisions. the fly half is believed to have agreed a three—year deal at the club, which could see the england international end his career at kingsholm. he joined gloucester from top—flight rivals wasps last summer. former england defence coach mike ford says leicester are not too good to go down. ford has been brought into the club as a consultant coach until the end of the season. the ten time champions have lost eight of their last 11 games and are five points above the bottom club newcastle who the play next week. we keep in the moment as a club, we work on what is coming this afternoon in training. that is all we worry about. we look too far back, we get depressed. we look too far in front, we've got newcastle on friday night, that's going to be a tough game, you know? so just keep them in the moment and try to unleash the talent in a simple game plan.
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time to tell you that full him of pulled back, watford one overfull mfa look towards relegation tonight, and manchester united has also one. that's all the sport for now. i'll have more for you in sportsday at 10:30pm. a neo—nazi will be sentenced in may for his plan to kill a labour mp. a series of trials linked to his plans came to an end today which means we can now report fully on the background behind the plan byjack renshaw, a former member of national action, to kill rosie cooper with a sword. our home affairs correspondent daniel sandford has been talking exclusively to his friend robbie mullen who blew the whistle on the plans. the committed neo—nazi who faces a long prison sentence for planning to
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kill his mp. we can now reveal is a convicted sex offender after trying to groom to young teenage boys. the group he belonged to was banned in 2016 as an extreme right—wing terrorist organisation. but then it's leader decided to take the group underground and prepare for a violent race war. his ultimate plan was that there was going to be a number of islamists, other groups bombing. and we would respond with oui’ bombing. and we would respond with our own. and he believed that that would generate random acts of terrorism of lone wolf—type people. robbie mullen initially joined national action because of its uncompromising neo—nazi views and its young membership. but he turned against them, ultimately foiling a plan to kill an mp. he can only speak about it now the case is over and told me what was it about the way that national action were going,
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after the ban, that made you decide you needed to take action? i didn't want to be involved in killing anyone, or a group of people that i was involved with killing people. i just didn't want anyone to get killed or hurt. robbie mullen started secretly passing information to the anti—racism group hope not hate, and injuly 2017 was present at a national action meeting in a warrington pub when one of those present, jack renshaw, told the group he'd bought a large sword and was planning to murder his mp, rosie cooper so he said he'd bought this machete, ready to kill rosie cooper, and then he'd take hostages in a nearby pub. and he'd demand that the detective investigating him come to him in exchange for the hostages. then he'd kill her, and then he'd be killed by the police. was there anyone there who tried to stop him?
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no. that was the ultimate aim of the group, really. the politicians are who they class as the traitors. the mp who was at risk is now calling for politicians to be better protected. i was targeted not as rosie cooper the person, but as rosie cooper the member of parliament. i was to be murdered to send a message to the state. jack renshaw will be back in court in may when the judge will have the option of giving him a life sentence. daniel sandford, bbc news, at the old bailey. back to tonight's top story — and theresa may's call for talks with the labour leaderjeremy corbyn to try resolve the brexit deadlock. boris johnson, the former foreign secretary,who was a leading figure in the campaign to take britain out of the eu, has called theresa may's statement "bitterly disappointing", and warns brexit is becoming "soft to the point of disintegration". let's have a listen.
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i think it's very disappointing that the brexit process has now been entrusted to jeremy the brexit process has now been entrusted tojeremy corbyn and the labour party. and i think that the result will almost certainly be, if corbyn gets his way, that we remain in the customs union so that we can't control our trade policy. huge areas of lawmaking we can't control, and brexit is becoming soft to the point of disintegration. we could be moving into a position where parliament and house of commons calls the shots. what would you say to that? well, i think parliament should think about our responsibilities, about what people we re responsibilities, about what people were promised in 2016, and they should deliver a brexit that really allows us to take back control of oui’ allows us to take back control of our money and borders and laws. in
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this really doesn't qualify, because you don't take back control of your laws, and you can't do free trade deals if you remain in the customs union. and i think that people will feel very short—changed, and they will beat bitterly disappointed. this approach cannot endure. you cannot expect the fifth biggest economy in the world to come out of the eu and remain run by the eu. it's just not democratically sustainable. and for those of us who campaigned for brexit and believe in it and the opportunities of brexit, it and the opportunities of brexit, it is bitterly disappointing. what i hope is that there is still time for the prime minister to get an improvement to the deal that she has, orjust to get her existing
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deal, which is frankly better now than the chaos of having a jeremy corbyn controlled customs union. what would you say to those who feel as strongly as you do about brexit in your own party at westminster? what should they do, how should they react? should they make some move about bringing about new management at the top? how on earth can we be proposing now to delay brexit again? we missed the 29 march deadline, we will miss the 12 april deadline. we now run the risk of the absolutely ludicrous absurdity of contesting the european elections. it costs about £109 million, the government will have to spend, to elect 73 british... who have paid — to do what? to sit in strassburg? what
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ma nifesto what? to sit in strassburg? what manifesto will they stand for election? the thing is satirical now. we should be leaving, and we've made abundant preparations for coming out without a deal. i had hoped that the cabinet would decide to go down that route, because as you know, the withdrawal agreement has been defeated three times. you could manage — as a premise or herself and said, you could manage the a perfectly successful no deal outcome herself aside and i think that's what the public once. is it too late for a change of leadership? and if that's the case, are you one who would wish to be the leader? you argued the party needs now? what we need to do is get brexit done. we also need a change of approach. and if we're going to have a second
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phase, and i think we will have a second phase if we can get the first bit over and done with, then we cannot go on with a failure to decide about these fundamental issues, whether to remain in the customs union or whether to stay aligned with the eu single market rules, or not. we need to take those decisions and move on, and then start to deliver on the issues that really matter to the british people. what about the idea of trying to bring about a change at the top at the sight of brexit? would that be a goodideain the sight of brexit? would that be a good idea in your view?|j the sight of brexit? would that be a good idea in your view? i think what everybody in the country wants more than anything else in the world is for politicians in westminster not to focus on themselves, but the needs of the country, which are now number one to get brexit done, and to come out of the eu. and what we've heard tonight is that there will be yet more delays, unacceptable delay. there is no need
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to extend the brexit process in the way that westminster has. it's a great shame we've missed the opportunity to come out at a no deal. and as i said, i think it is bitterly disappointing that the climax of the brexit process is now being entrusted tojeremy corbyn in the labour party, with the result that we will almost certainly remain in the customs union. borisjohnson boris johnson they're borisjohnson they're clearly unimpressed with theresa may's latest attempts to end the brexit logjam. much more on this coming up, stay with us. now it's time for a look at the weather with louise. hello there. a bit of a weather cliche, but plenty of april showers around today, some heavy with hail and snow in there. you can see quite and snow in there. you can see quite a widespread rash across the country, interspersed with sunny spells as well. those showers will continue through this evening, and we will see more widespread ones
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across wales in southwest england for a time. then persistent rain pushing into eastern scotland in northeast england, following snow with any elevation. it will be a chilly night with temperatures hovering just above or below freezing, so a cold start to wednesday morning. we will see that rain pushing its way westwards, snow over the mountains of, democrat scotla nd over the mountains of, democrat scotland for some eventually moving into northern ireland and across northern england. for the rest of england and wales, sunny spells and scattered showers, but not particularly warm. if you factor in a cold northerly wind, it will feel bitterly cold out there on the east coast. just a bit milder and dryer to look forward to by the end of the working week. hello, this is bbc news with clive myrie. the headlines at eight: theresa may says the uk needs an extension to brexit and offered to sit down at what labour party went jeremy corbyn to end the stalemate.
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this debate and division cannot drag ona this debate and division cannot drag on a much longer. it is putting members of parliament and everyone else under immense pressure. and it is doing damage to our politics. the labour leaderjeremy corbyn has said he is very happy to meet the prime minister to ensure parliament can prime minister to ensure parliament ca n vote prime minister to ensure parliament can vote on proposals to prevent the uk crashing out of the eu at the end of next week. shortly after, she appeared to receive some force apart from the european council president who tweeted to eu leaders. in other news, a neo—nazi is facing jail after plotting to murder the labourmp jail after plotting to murder the labour mp rosie cooper, jack renshaw, also a convicted paedophile, by enacting its knife to kill her. and man has been found with knife injuries in the area of north london where four people were stabbed at the weekend.
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let's get more on the government possibly planned for negotiating the deadlock in the brexit process. —— a government pass plan. she said it would need to be as short as possible and end when a deal was passed. she said... she was offering to sit down withjeremy corbyn to try to agree a plan that they would both stick to; to ensure that the uk left the eu, and to do so with a deal. and mrs may said she wanted to agree a timetable to ensure a bill is passed before the 22nd of may so that the uk did not take part in the european parliamentary elections. well this afternoon emmanuel macron met leo varadkar, the irish taoiseach, in paris and their concerns over brexit dominated their talks. but the tone from president macron was slightly different to his counterpart, as he was keen to stress that the european union
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will not be a ‘hostage', to the political situation in the uk. our correspondent lucy williamson reports from paris. solidarity with ireland has been part of the eu's political performance since brexit began. but with its withdrawal agreement rejected by parliament, there are tensions emerging here over how to protect both the single market and ireland's open border peace deal, and whether the answer is simply granting the uk more time. translation: a long extension means the uk will take part in european elections, and so it's neither obvious nor automatic. we must protect the eu and the single market. the eu can't be held hostage to a political crisis in the uk. there is time for the prime minister to come to the european council with proposals that are credible and have a clear pathway to success, and i think we need to be open to any proposals that she may bring forward to us.
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the prospect of a no deal scenario is testing that solidarity to breaking point. mr macron is due to reassure the irish prime minister that brexit will not detach ireland from the rest of the eu. but goods entering the single market and the customs union have to be checked somewhere. if not in ireland, then perhaps between ireland and the rest of the eu. mr macron has said france is more prepared than any other key partner for britain leaving without a deal. at the eurotunnel freight terminal, a new electronic customs system is ready to transfer data directly to the french and british authorities. and space has been set aside for extra checks on food and animals. but eu leaders have reportedly been given little concrete detail on how ireland can carry out checks like this without a hard border. the german chancellor angela merkel is due in dublin on thursday to discuss options before a special meeting of eu leaders next week.
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in the absence of any clear answerfrom london, the eu is turning to ireland for a plan. lucy williamson, bbc news, paris. let's get more on this now, and i'm joined by katie daughen in dublin, she's the head of brexit policy for the british irish chamber of commerce. sylvia is in paris and deputy director of a french is for international and strategic affairs. i'm alsojoined by pauline come a general list for the new statesman in brussels. good to see you all. thank you for being with us. if i can thank you for being with us. if i ca n start thank you for being with us. if i can start with you in dublin, katie, we heard the meeting between emmanuel macron today and they both made it clear that if there was going to be any kind of extension to article 50, which we now know theresa may wants, there has to be a plan, a credible plan to back up that extension. do you see anything in what theresa may
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said tonight that amounts to a credible plan? i suppose she hasn't really put forward much detail in what she will look for in talks with jeremy corbyn and the labour party but i think it is a step in the right direction. businesses across both ireland and member of the iris chamber have always said they wanted to clear a way forward, that is the best approach we did a survey of the members into the other 16, it was the number one requirement for businesses. we are now beyond the original brexit dell, ten days away from the new deadline and there is still no clear picture so i think it is right that the eu are looking for this but it is notjust the eu that wa nt to this but it is notjust the eu that want to see some clarity on the plan for the way forward, i think that is what businesses one as well across both islands. hopefully this is a step towards getting a plan and a coherent vision of how the uk it will leave the eu and ensure that it can do so in orderly fashion. sylvia in paris, we know mr macron made clear today he wants a plan if there
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will be any extension to article 50. do you think the kind of comments that theresa may has been making today will allow him to be able to say yes i think there should be an extension to article 50?|j say yes i think there should be an extension to article 50? i am not sure. ithink extension to article 50? i am not sure. i think with macron, there are two things, the first is that like more and more europeans, they see no way out unless in less the prospect of the exit with the plan. then in that situation, they are convinced that situation, they are convinced that the sooner the uk x asked the eu will be the better. on the other hand, ithink eu will be the better. on the other hand, i think the issue of elections for the eu hand, i think the issue of elections forthe eu are not hand, i think the issue of elections for the eu are not only an issue of time and timing, it is also, you probably know the populous party is an anti—eu parties are in that
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election and i think in the head of some europeans, probably president, the harry is that —— directly harry is that if that brexit becomes true, it will be a real case about what can happen and they are convinced that we are currently in a political situation in the uk where british mps the fan more, their own interest in the national and and if finally we refuse the extension we will have an exit with no deal that may have dramatic consequences for the uk and that may be a case we help anti—eu
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parties to win. pauline and brussels, the bottom line is that nobody wants a no deal that meant there are some, but the majority of people across the european suddenly in the commission and in parliament do not want a no—deal brexit, they know it will be harmful for the economy of the 27, leaving at the united kingdom. as a result, it would be stupid, at this stage to say no, we are not going to grant an extension? yes, exactly. everybody is in deed worried about the possibility of eight no—deal brexit. with that said, it has been months now that eu leaders have been warning that the possibility of no deal is getting more and more likely by the day and michel barnier said that today again. it feels like it is the same refrain every day. it is
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true that every day that passes and the house of commons or the british government does not find a way out of the deadlock, we are rushing towards no deal. and no deal is still the default option and that is why with the complete lack of a nether solution in london, the eu is more and more wouldn't say the press but it is getting really gloomy over here. the institution, people are not necessarily optimistic about what is going to happen. yes, for the eu economy, just like the uk economy, it is much better if you avoid no deal. but there is a point when you have to find a solution, which they have not yet. in the eu is not going to be able to grant an extension after an extension after extension after an extension after extension and looking for another short extension which is something the uk already got a week ago, it is
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not going to help any side, so they could grant one, but it does not mean they well. this idea of solidarity, european solidarity, which i think someone mentioned earlier today, they will stand together and if at some point it means the uk, which is made its choice and decided that it cannot agree and it is a thing and have to go anyway, they will have to let it go. so it is not necessarily their fall, if the uk crashes out in the sense, there is a point where the eu will have to think about its own issues and its own elections and to protect ireland. it is going to be something. we are running at a time. going back to katie, i want willie limiti going back to katie, i want willie limit i wonder about the solidarity between the eu 26 in ireland. —— i
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wonder about. ireland will perhaps be affected the most adversely as a result of a no—deal brexit. do you see a potential scenario for attention to between ireland and trying to going for a deal that works and the rest of the eu who may feel that we have had a nap at this? we just need to move on nfa feel that we have had a nap at this? wejust need to move on nfa no deal is what will be the result, a no deal it is? a no dealfor ireland is very different than it is of the eu. there was a setting here last week to setting of this situation, irish gdp would be hit by 5% and may be 80,000 less. —— mech there was a survey here last week saying that. a no deal outcome for ireland is catastrophic. you solidarity has been strong. i think the words from president tusk in terms of willing the eu to consider eu leaders to
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consider a longer extension or encouraging but i think if there is any scope to get in orderly brexit with a deal in place on the groundwork for a strong future relationship that keeps the eu in the uk trade relationship close, thatis the uk trade relationship close, that is the best outcome for businesses across the two islands here and it will go a long way to addressing the issue around the border and the island of our letter which is greater so attention. —— island of ireland. a no deal would be bad for everybody but for ireland come it would be worse. i think it is encouraging everybody at the moment to work together and find a way forward and hopefully the moves by the prime minister today will be the first step in doing that. we live in there. thank you all three for joining live in there. thank you all three forjoining us. parents across england to sue be required to put the child's name on a new registrar if they are being educated at home.
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minister say every star would help councils monitor standards and intervene if they believe children are at risk. the number of home—schooled children is still low but the numbers are rising. that co m pa res to but the numbers are rising. that compares to nearly 9 million children who are being taught in school. the idea of a register has been criticised by some but the children's commission for england has welcomed the news. i think this is a positive step which will help ensure that now the tens of thousands of children who are slightly off of the grid because they are not in mainstream schooling, there is a better chance that we will know if they are getting the education they need and if they are safe in that has to be the ultimate responsibility. joining me now is the journalist and writer christina pattison who does not believe home—schooled and properly prepare students with general life skills and re—and joy joins prepare students with general life skills and re—and joyjoins us, author have been chosen are home—schooled. —— re—and joy. saying the education system has failed them. good to see
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you both. if i can start here, the suggestion is the education system has failed your youngsters, how and why do you teach them at home? so my old est why do you teach them at home? so my oldest son is autistic. he went to a mainstream school, and that failed him miserably. and he ended up in a special school and you think of that point you have the holy grail, you have reached the air and commit is going to help your son. and actually, it was a really detrimental to him. he got to a stage where he was self harming himself and he cannot cope any more. the only way he could stay there was ifi the only way he could stay there was if i medicated him. and i think that is unreasonable for any child to be medicated, to have to stay in school, so we now home educate him, my youngest son has got more complex needs then my oldest son and there was no way i was putting him in the system. christina, that seems
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logical, a concerned parent that doesn't believe that the education system is treating her children fairly are giving them what they need. so she is doing it herself at home. it make sense? i would like to congratulate rhian and taking what is clearly meant and incredibly challenging situation and turning it around to make the best of it for her children and around to make the best of it for herchildren and i'm around to make the best of it for her children and i'm sure you're doing a wonderfuljob but i have to say i think her situation is not the norm in home—schooling. broadly speaking, education it injust about learning facts and figures, it is about the whole process of learning how to get on with other people. it isa how to get on with other people. it is a preparation for life and a preparation for being a member of society and it is a preparation for learning how to get on with people. for people you don't like it people you do like. home educating the other provide that minichiello didn't slipped through the net at the weekend, i was speaking at a literary festival was somebody who has been started up a project for local children who were adrift. —— somebody who pass hussman started up. a lot of them are home—schooled
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but were receiving minimum 20 education. people who are literally just falling to the next. we also have to remember that teaching is a profession. not anybody can do it. i'm sure rhian is doing a good job but you wouldn't want a doctor to say i think i will examine this person. there is a rigorous training that teaches have to undergo. teaching at a very challenging thing. it is not that any time dick or harry can do it. i think many children, i'm sure there are some children, i'm sure there are some children who are being wonderfully educated by their parents and with any luck they have got supportive networks for friends giving them the social structures they would otherwise miss. but there are many children who are not getting an education to home—schooling. and we have a society have a responsibility to them. the register would make sense then. this will help hopefully stop children fall into the cracks in the children can be checked on, it is logical. if you will have this and if you have this. i think it is
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the minimum thing. i'm not in favour of home education although i think there are arguments for exceptional situations and i think if you local schools have failed you or you have particular educational needs and there is not the school that is meant to be offering that education is failing to do that, i think you can make a very strong argument for being allowed exceptional circumstances. but generally speaking, i think home education should not be the norm, but if it is, there should certainly be a registrar. what do you think of a register, rhian quest mcdonough fell logical to you? the register, rhian quest mcdonough fell logicalto you? the register is terrible. i understand that our children falling to the cracks. but my question is what exactly is there's register going to do? the local authorities and social services have the right and the capacity to actually go into people pots ‘s house and question them now. so what exactly is this register going to do? how is that going to help that? you don't think that
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there might be parents out there who are claiming their home—schooling and there is no reflection on you but there may be others who are claiming their home—schooling and they are not doing it correctly as christina has said here... what is correctly? that will be for the authority tojudge. as correctly? that will be for the authority to judge. as they do in schools. but that is the problem. home education is an alternative way of educating a child. it is not schooling at home. but there must meet minimum standards, surely, that that make if you read the guidelines commit is so loose. there is no legal guideline. that person who is going to come and question us and say are you providing a right education, it is down to interpretation. however they interpretation. however they interpret that, as how they're going to come at you. so how are you supposed to follow guidelines when there isn't any? right. that is precisely the problem. in up to parents what they do or what they do not want to teach their children. some parents might decide that children only need a religious education. we know there are schools
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who provide education that is not passing off that standards and teaches children values that are absolutely contrary to the standards that we we set as a society have filed for. like homosexuality, sexism, all kinds of different things. —— tap out four. we work together to have education policies for a region and we have inspection for a region and we have inspection for a region and we have inspection for a reason and we establish standards that people have to attain for a reason. if parents can go off and ignore all of those, we might as well in northern for everyone. why should there be an exception? because they are children out there who have special education needs that are not being met in school and you say i am a one—off case or not very common, if you look at the stacks of how many people are now home educating because their children are not having their needs met in school, is the vast majority. i've seen injust met in school, is the vast majority. i've seen in just the last year. the have doubled. people now home
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educating now because their children are no longer having their needs met at school. we will leave it there. they could both forjoining us. —— thank you both forjoining us. health experts believe that long term exposure to man—made air pollution, especially from vehicle exhausts, accounts for around 30,000 deaths a year in the uk. from next week, london will be tackling the problem by introducing a new charge for vehicles entering central london. the ultra low emission zone will affect the most polluting vehicles, from motorbikes to hgvs. our science editor david shukman has been looking at the latest research on vehicle pollution and what it does to our health. air pollution can dominate our cities. in this image, scientists have used orange and red to represent where the air is dirtiest. in this case, the busy streets and junctions of central london. outside a school, we use a heat camera to reveal pollution you cannot see with the naked eye. the exhaust fumes stand out because they are hotter
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than the surroundings and they flow right past the children who are more exposed than adults because they are closer to the ground. scientists say the effects could be worse than previously thought. over the years we have learned more and more about what air pollution can do to us but we cannot see the stuff, so let's imagine the tiny particles and gases that are drifting around. and as we breathe them in, we are coming to understand the range of effects they can have inside us. the first impact is in our airways and lungs, risking inflammation and asthma attacks and diseases like lung cancer. and down inside the lungs, the smallest particles can cross into the bloodstream and cause more harm, blocking arteries, increasing the danger of heart disease and stroke. they may also reach the brain. links to dementia are now being researched. but the big concern is children, and whether pollution can affect their growth.
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even before they are born. walter is just five weeks old and his mother rachel is taking part in a new area of research, exploring the impact of pollution on pregnancy. the theory is that tiny particles can get into the placenta. it's pretty scary. you protect yourself when you are pregnant in as many ways as you can and that's obviously something where people cannot protect themselves as easily, living in london especially. yes, it is quite frightening. the researchers have so far investigated 15 placentas, looking for anything unusual. earlier studies have found that in polluted areas babies can be born underweight. nobody knows why. so the discovery in some placenta cells of tiny black dots, which look very like pollution particles, is a big worry. the well— being of the placenta is equal to the well—being of the baby, essentially,
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so if there is anything affecting the way the placenta works or the function, theoretically it can affect the growth and development of the baby as well. as the research continues, a hot exhaust pipe spews out more gases and particles. next week, london will try to reduce pollution by half by imposing a charge on the dirtiest vehicles. the aim is to keep tens of thousands of trucks and cars out of the city and scientists say this cannot come soon enough. now it's time for a look at the weather with louise. hello. we've already reverted to the second day of april, plenty of showers across the country, some of them have been quite dramatic. some significant hailstorm through the afternoon as you can see by this weather watcher picture. the showers, they just keep
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weather watcher picture. the showers, theyjust keep coming at the moment. some of them still following us know to elevation and these wider flicks, still somehow showers. plenty of showers around at the moment, those will ease a little bit. but we still are on the risk of some through the argosy, just clipping the west coast of wealth down into the southwest and also by the end of the night, persistent rain. between the two, clear skies, cold night at temperatures following to just below freezing. we start off tomorrow morning and then with the showers or brown into the southwest, more heavy rain continuing to moving across the north sea and it will push their way steadily westward. going through the day come rain and snow to top of any elevation across scotland, northern england and into northern ireland, accompanied by coastal gales. it will felt really quite right out there but much of england and wales could be a case of sunny swells and scattered showers but you have to factor in those
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cultural gales because your thermometer may read six to 8 degrees. but if you take into account the winds coming from the north, gusting in excess of 50 mph and places, it really will feel quite raw. i suspect across scotland and northern ireland. that low pressure will draft this way steadily south west overnight, then we see this curl of cloud and arraigned dominating both the north and the southwest of the country. between those two on thursday, a little bit quieter and brighter, and the wounds will start to change direction coming more from a southeasterly so the indication may be on thursday of something just that little bit moderate as well. that story is set to continue. always the risk at the end of the week of showers and southwest but generally speaking, just that little bit warmer and more importantly, just a little bit drier as well. as we approach the wiki, it looks as though the weather is that to behave yourself quite nicely. not as cold
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and largely drive come and there will be some decent spells of some sun. bear that in mind will be some decent spells of some sun. bearthat in mind if you will be some decent spells of some sun. bear that in mind if you are out in those awful showers and then strong bitterly cold when tomorrow.
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