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the ii‘ul‘ei n—rhflm— mm" moving in to the legislative council building, as that operation continues on the streets outside and in the council itself. you are watching bbc news. these are live pictures from hong kong as the authorities move against the protesters after a day of protests. we've seen in the last couple of hours and also set by the police that unless the protesters move, they will move against them and that's what we have seen in the last while, both on the streets outside the legislative building and inside the legislative building and inside the main chamber. we saw only two hours ago hundreds of protesters inside the main chamber having burst through and broken in. i want to show you the pictures from a couple
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of hours ago what the protesters moved in, they were using metal bars, metal barriers, these are the pictures from earlier inside the legislative council building, they ended up, and hundreds of them poured through once the initial break in had been done. in they went and four hours they were inside that main chamber room and these are the pictures. using social media, they we re pictures. using social media, they were broadcasting, making more of their demands. then we had at that tweet from hong kong's police saying they would move unless the protesters moved out. the live picture feat ended as the police operation started. in the basement of that building is the bbc‘s
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reporter. i'll speak to him in the next few seconds. he's putting his earpiece in and waiting to speak to us. earpiece in and waiting to speak to us. welcome back. we spoke to you a little while ago. tell me the latest in terms of the operation by the police to actually move in on the protesters occupied the building. the very latest we've got is from a pro—democracy legislator here who says the people in the chamber, those incredible scenes you just showed, the scenes you're describing, the people there have now left this building. they obviously did not come their way we we re obviously did not come their way we were but they've made their weird side. there are still police here but much fewer in number compared to when we spoke 15 minutes ago. let's try and go inside the legco building, the place that was under siege all day. the scene speak for themselves. there is an eerie
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silence now. you can see the com plete silence now. you can see the complete mess. these barriers which we re complete mess. these barriers which were used to ultimately get through the glass, umbrellas were used to shield protesters from the pepper spray the police had deployed. they also used it as a way of hiding their identities. they were worried about the repercussions of coming in here. let's have a look through here, not a huge amount to see but this was one of the buildings, one of the room is the protesters came into. if we go further through, normally this is the bustling the beating heart of the democratic process here in hong kong but it's com pletely process here in hong kong but it's completely defaced. wires falling from the walls, graffiti all across the place. the protesters made their way income occupied here and those are the steps they went up to head to the chamber where what followed,
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people could not believe. they spray graffiti on the walls, they also defaced some of the portraits of the politicians who ruled this place for so politicians who ruled this place for so long. if we go over here you can see more of the barricades, this explains how they were able to get in. we saw these human conveyor belts, this chain of people moving these barriers forward. they were using these things to tape them together and that made a really effective battering ram. crucially, the police did not stop them. i think in the coming hours and days people will see why did the police let it get to this? they were criticised several weeks ago for not doing enough to try and stop the protesters in a peaceful way, and i think today the pendulum has com pletely think today the pendulum has completely swung, they've stood back and, frankly, we seem protesters running and walk on the streets of hong kong today. i don't know if you are able to
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a nswer i don't know if you are able to answer this question but you made the point the protesters had moved out of the building from a separate exit, do we know if those protesters we re exit, do we know if those protesters were arrested or whether they just dispersed and got out onto the streets without being detained? i'm afraid that's something i don't know. the way they will be dealt with in the short term, the next hour or with in the short term, the next hourorso, is with in the short term, the next hour or so, is something that we don't know at this point. whether they were simply allowed to slip away into the nights are whether they were detained, processed, their details taken. that's something we don't know and it would be fascinating to find out what exactly has transpired because we've seen in other parts of the world when you big protest like this, people are allowed out but it's the legal proceedings hit them in the that follow. in terms of what happens i'm afraid i don't know, that's something i am desperate to find out. will the authorities really throw the book at those who carried this out, even though there were
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hundreds of them, will they make a real example? in previous protests individuals have been sent to prison for what many considered minor infringements. looking at this, how does the city administration respond, how do peaches executive, carrie lam, who has faced so much criticism, how does she deal with this when her authority has been shattered in this way? protesters we re shattered in this way? protesters were talking about how they used to have respect for the police force, built up over generations, they look after their city together. repairing thatis after their city together. repairing that is going to be extremely difficult and the spectre of beijing, walked to the powers that be in china make of this? what will they be saying about the response carrie lam should take? the chief executive who is backed by beijing. if you have time to wander further in. there is an alarm going off so we are mindful of that. you can see some of the water that seeps along
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the building. it is easy. just an hour or so ago there was a right of noise and chanting, the messages being shouted at the police, and now you've got the sound of fire alarms and the protesters have moved out. this is what we can see at the moment. as you are taking us through, there are so many unknowns here. potentially, because there has been such violence, the destruction you're showing us, as you are walking around, potentially that gives the authorities the opportunity to say, we are clamping down on people who are behaving illegally. similarly, it could go the other way, with pressure building up, forcing some sort of concession from the authorities. we simply don't know which way it goes at this stage. i think that's fair to say. i don't know if you just saw the police
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officers there who are basically scouting the building trying to find if anyone is still in here, they told us not to go any further so we will head back this direction. there we re will head back this direction. there were accusations today which we cannot substantiate that there were probation elements within the crowd, trying to work it into a frenzy and agitating and may be helping create the violence we saw. that's impossible to say whether that's true or not at this point. talking to people, they are already angry about the growing influence of china, they did not like this particular piece of legislation that kicked off this huge protest movement. what beijing is telling carrie lam and the messages being sent, we simply don't know. it's going to be interesting to see how the dynamics play out. tell me more about the protesters. you've been tracking this protest for weeks and it's a very noticeable that predominantly they are very
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young people, apparently? four police officers walking through, you can see. they are full of many. i think they are coming back out now. —— they are four of many. the officers themselves here seem to be quite young and that's the irony, there is essentially a split between the authorities and a very young group of hong kong citizens, angry and disaffected. we spoke to university students who said they fearfor their spoke to university students who said they fear for their future. we can see another railing the protesters used. we will wander through and follow the police, i think we are told we can't go any further forward. the protesters were extremely young. very few will have taken part in anything like this before. there is an alarm going off once more. these are unprecedented
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scenes in many ways. the fact the protesters are so young is something that really strikes you. thank you so much rubbing with us. i know you two levers now —— thank you for being with us. i know you have to levers now. let's look at the pictures are from a different viewpoint now, on the ground floor of the legislative building. quieter than about an hour or so ago. while that has been going on, outside the police operation has been moving and dispersing those protesters. we saw volleys of tear gas and then the ra nks volleys of tear gas and then the ra n ks of volleys of tear gas and then the ranks of riot police move forwards and push back the protesters. a period of relative calm now after that movement of the last hour or s0. that movement of the last hour or so. we started a couple of hours ago talking to the legislator fernando
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chung. hejoins talking to the legislator fernando chung. he joins us talking to the legislator fernando chung. hejoins us now. your thoughts after how things have played out? it's fortunate all of the demonstrators retreated and left safely. without any actual encounters with the police. we are glad that is what happened anyone who resisted leaving legislative council, ifear who resisted leaving legislative council, i fear there would who resisted leaving legislative council, ifear there would be bloodshed, and the police would not be hesitant to use force. i asked one of our correspondence with this, he was in one section of the building i did not know the answer, but you alluded to it, can
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you tell me, do you think those protesters just left the building or we re protesters just left the building or were they arrested and detained? do you know that? no, iwas you know that? no, i was in the chamber with the protesters and in the final minutes there was a group of protesters who came back and dragged the few who said they would be determined to stay, even risking their lives and of course the rest of the protesters did not agree and they came back and dragged them out. we are glad that happened. everybody left from the chamber. when we left we were expecting everybody left the building at that point. that explains some of the pictures we had on our screens, exactly
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explains some of the pictures we had on oui’ screens, exactly as explains some of the pictures we had on our screens, exactly as you describe it. there was a moment where there was a frenetic activity inside the chamber with protesters seeming to be pulling and pushing amongst themselves stop you provided an explanation of exactly what's happened those moments before police started their operation. where does this go from here, did you think? we've seen yet another day of protest, these are violent scenes to actually get inside the legislative building, where does this go now? well, it's hard to gauge. what i am afraid of is this campaign would be losing public support because of today's situation. the storming in the legislative building and what happened afterwards certainly does not project a positive image of the entire campaign. and with the public
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opinion and public support... if that were to turn, i'm afraid the government would take it as an opportunity for them to claim their legitimacy me back. and start retaliation and which, again, stand strong without even considering any of the demands from the public. i'm sure society would be divided and we would always have one side of the society siding with the demonstrators and the others condemning them. and it would be a very divided situation and people would be very hostile. the
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government, although it may look itself as claiming back legitimacy, itself as claiming back legitimacy, it has pretty much lost the trust and confidence of our young. i do not see how it can effectively govern for the next three years. as you were speaking we've shown pictures from about an hour ago, the moments when the police finally moved against the protesters out on the streets. very large numbers were there still on the streets long after the police warned them they needed to clear. then we saw the use of tear gas again and riot police moving in. most of those protesters have been dispersed now, as we continue to see the pictures that are coming into the building, the live scene. but smaller in number by a significant amount, in terms of the numbers of protesters still there. just in terms of, fernando
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cheung, what you were saying, the demands of the protesters, if the bill on extradition was shelved permanently, would that be enough or do the protesters what does carrie lam have to go, in the view of the protesters ? i think carrie lam pretty much has lost her legitimacy and she has demonstrated to the public that she is incapable of governing hong kong. the lack of response and the lack of even the basic courage to face the public and also in the face of such a crisis. we are talking about a major confrontation, the whole city is almost turned upside down in the past three weeks. everything has to be on hold because of this major
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confrontation and yet she was able to not face it or come out to speak to not face it or come out to speak to the public or even via the press. i think she has pretty much lost that. as to how the communist regime would look at the situation in hong kong and whether they would want carrie lam to stay, and if they do, how would they govern hong kong through carrie lam, it's quite a different matter. the more the situation goes, carrie lam has pretty much become a puppet of the communist party, that's not something i think they hong kong people would like to see. the final thought, i will pick up that thought and carrie lam in a moment, but a final thought because s0 moment, but a final thought because so much focus with these protests
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has been around the central plank of one country, two systems, how under threat do you think that is? we've seen threat do you think that is? we've seen it for 22 years, but how under threat is it as we speak now? the whole extradition bill has a direct impact on it. we are allowing the mainland authority to basically arrest people or send people back to mainland. that is certainly not something that was promised in the one country, two system. so people are looking at... the problem is in the past couple of years that deterioration seemed to speed up and thatis deterioration seemed to speed up and that is what people really don't
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wa nt that is what people really don't want and oppose, we would like to see what was promised, universal suffrage of both the legislative council and the chief executive being actualised as soon as possible. fernando cheung. we will leave it there. thank you forjoining us once again. europe is at the start of the programme and you are back with us —— that you were with us at the start of the programme and you were back with us at the tail end. like it for a analysis on what you have been seeing in hong kong today. asi been seeing in hong kong today. as i say, we are coming towards the end of a programme as we continue to watch these pictures from inside the legislative council as they move through the floors. it was interesting, as we saw nick take us round, the obvious damage done by the test we've seen. i agree with one of your previous
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commentators, tomorrow the hong kong press reaction, you will properly see lots of the backlash, condemning some of the extreme acts today. i saw lots of the graffiti on the wall calling the officials and dogs and calling the officials and dogs and calling different names. in a sense, however angry young people can be in a movement, when you lose your cool in those types of fashion, often you will attract a certain level of criticism the next day. fernando cheung made the point, in his view, carrie lam no longer had the authority to govern in hong kong. i suppose the critical view or are not necessarily be what protesters think what fernando cheung thinks but it will be what the patient thinks. officially, they've still expressed confidence in her —— it will be what beijing
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thinks. behind closed doors it will be anybody‘s guess what they think. we can probably read beijing is not one patient. in the few decades of communist government there is always a factional politics behind it. whichever function, the same with the usa china trade war, one faction or possibly once a truce, one faction wants to fight on and it will be the same for hong kong. one faction championing a softer, more diplomatic solution and another will say we have to show our resolution. we cannot allow this chaos to go on. it will be interesting to watch. stay with me. let's bring and an associate professor at hong kong university of science and technology. thank you for being with us. technology. thank you for being with us. your thoughts and analysis of everything you have seen today. us. your thoughts and analysis of
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everything you have seen todaylj think the police adopted a policy of waiting them out, trying to win back the negative popularity, it suffered because of the excessive use of force on june the 12th. because of the excessive use of force onjune the 12th. and despite the so—called vandalism, the protest, if you understand the chinese, what. .. three protest, if you understand the chinese, what... three kinds of messages, one related to tea so—called extradition deal because s0 so—called extradition deal because so far the government has not promised to completely withdraw, nor has the chief executive, she has the lowest popularity ever recorded since 1997, but she's not willing to step down. they also ask for democracy because the younger generation especially, they will suffer not only in terms of the
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enjoyment of democracy and human rights, they have gone backwards in the past few years. they also suffer in terms of living standards, not only things everybody knows but also in terms of health, hospitals are extremely crowded. i think the message is clear, they tell the government they've suffered enough. the third message is the legislator as it symbol. the entire system has been pro—beijing and the took out their anger on pictures of the chairmen who have been controlled by beijing, in one way or another. does something significant have to change? we have had weeks and months of his protest, do the authorities have to give more to end this or could there be a further clamp—down?
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i think could there be a further clamp—down? ithink in could there be a further clamp—down? i think in principle a further clamp—down is not difficult, in terms of having a complete withdrawal. it's a matter of face on the part, not only of the legislator but on the part of beijing and i think vision is worried if they climb down in one of two dimensions the protesters would demand more. that's led to today's predicament. thank you for those thoughts and that analysis, as we continue to see these pictures of more and more police assembled in the floors of that legislative building, as they move from floor to floor. we had earlier fernando cheung, a legislator there, telling us the protesters, as the anticipated, the
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police move, they then left the building and the impression we get from that interview was there protesters were able to disperse and not be detained by the authorities. we wait to see if that was or was not the case. the combination of a day of protests with this police action both on the streets outside in hong kong, we saw them move against the thousands of people on the streets and this simultaneous operation inside the building, a move there to clear the protesters who moved in and had taken control of the building. it's been a dramatic day in hong kong as we reach the end of our global programme. stay with us because there is a continuing coverage on bbc news of everything happening on the ground between the protesters on
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the ground between the protesters on the grounds in hong kong but for us, thank you for watching. we will leave you with continuing bbc coverage. this is bbc news as we bring you continuing coverage of the events in hong kong. riot police inside the legislative council building in the complex which they have cleared, it would seem, of protesters, of activists who moved in there a few hours ago now in the most aggressive move the protesters have made after several weeks of protest. some of them, huge numbers come up to one or 2 million people on the streets but the number of people taking part in this particular activity of bursting into the legco, much smaller numbers and much more aggressive approach. just to make the point, it is 1:30am in
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hong kong at the end of a day of tension from first to last, really. 22 years to the day since the uk handed control of the territory to china. that explains why we've had these demonstrations but it did lead toa these demonstrations but it did lead to a forcing of the entrance of the legco by significant number of activists who stormed into the assembly itself. what we see our riot police who appear to have cleared most of the assembly by now but we want to give you an idea as to what the activist did the while they were there. our correspondent has been able to get inside the legco as well and give you something ofa legco as well and give you something of a toll of what has taken place in that building today.
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the scene speak for themselves, really. there is an eerie silence. you can see the complete mess. these barriers were used to ultimately get through the glass. umbrellas were used to shield protesters from the pepper spray used to shield protesters from the pepper spray that the police at this point but also as a way of hiding their identities. they were worried about the repercussions of coming in here. not a huge amount to see in here. not a huge amount to see in here but this was one of the room is the protesters came into. if we go further through, it's extraordinary to think this is the beating heart of the democratic process here in hong kong but it's completely defaced. we have wires falling from the walls, graffiti all across the
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protesters made their way in, occupied here and those are the steps they went up to head to the chamber where what followed people could not believe. they spray graffiti on the walls, date sum of the portraits of the politicians who rule this place for so long —— defaced some of the portraits. you can see more of the barricades through here. this explains how they we re through here. this explains how they were able to get in. we saw the human conveyor belts, chain of people moving these barriers forward , people moving these barriers forward, using these tapes, these things to tape them together and it made a very effective battering ram. crucially, the police did not stop them. i think in the coming hours and days people will say why did the police let it get to this? they were previously criticised for not doing enough to try and stop the protesters in a peaceful way, more effective way and i think today the pendulum has complete this one, they
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stood back and, frankly, we've seen protesters run amok on the streets of hong kong today. i don't know if you are able to a nswer i don't know if you are able to answer this question but you made the point those protesters had moved out of the building from a separate exit, do we know if those protesters we re exit, do we know if those protesters were arrested or whether they just dispersed and got out onto the streets without being detained? i'm afraid that something i don't know. the way they will be dealt with in the short term, and then next hour or so, is something we don't know at this point. whether they were simply allowed to slip away into the night or whether they we re away into the night or whether they were detained, processed, their details taken. that's something we don't know and it would be fascinating to find out exactly what transpired. we've seen in other parts of the world when you have got big protest like this, people are allowed out but then the legal proceedings hit them in the weeks that follow. in terms of

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