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went in, i spent, president bush went in, i strongly disagreed with it, even though it wasn't my expertise at the time. but i have a very good instinct about things. they went in, andi instinct about things. they went in, and i said, "that is a tremendous mistake." there were no weapons of mass destruction. it turned out i was right. i was right for other reasons. president trump is at the white house giving details of the american raid which he says al—baghdadi was killed. so i might actually discriminates against america in all issues towards oh companies to the from other countries after what we have done have an advantage in the right for the oil. heat the oil, give them what they need. why should
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we go in and lose thousands of lives and spent all units of dollars and oui’ and spent all units of dollars and our companies don't even have an advantage to the murky and getting the oil issues. that's what i heard. so mikel the oil issues. that's what i heard. so mike i saw your counterterrorism director in the hallway. yellow like eve ryo ne director in the hallway. yellow like everyone played a role. gina was great. —— geno. everyone played a role. gina was great. -- geno. did your pull-out from syria lead to this operation? mighti from syria lead to this operation? might i have been looking at this for three years. i said i want al—baghdadi, that's what i want.
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they said they had someone else and isaid they said they had someone else and i said that's fine. i want al—baghdadi, i don't want other people. i wanted al—baghdadi, i don't want other people. iwanted hamza bin al—baghdadi, i don't want other people. i wanted hamza bin laden who the young man of 30 who looks just like his father, tall and handsome and just like his father did bad things. i don't get any credit for this, i never do, buti things. i don't get any credit for this, i never do, but i wrote a very successful book and in that book about a year before the world trade centre was born up i said there is somebody named 0sama bin laden, you better kill him to come out. i was in big trouble. i always find it fascinating. but i saw this man,
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tall and handsome, very charismatic, making horrible statements about wanting to destroy other countries. and i am writing a book. i think i wrote 12 books, all did very well. and i am writing a book, the world trade centre had not come down. i think it was about a year before the world trade centre came down. and i said to people take out 0sama bin laden that nobody had ever held off. everybody has heard of al—baghdadi because he is built this monsterfor a long time but nobody had ever heard of 0sama bin laden until the world trade centre. but about a year earlier and a half before the world trade centre can the book came down and was talking about is my book came out and i was talking about 0sama bin laden, you have to take out. nobody listened to me. to this
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day people say to me one of the most amazing things i've about you as you predicted that 0sama bin laden had to be killed before he knocked down the world trade centre. it's true. if you go back and look at my book. i think it was the america we can't make this air. i made a prediction. let's beat it this way, if they would have listened to me a lot of things would have been different. what about some of the difficult decisions you had along the way here in this operation? anything that way don't you? just death. i'm sending a large number of brilliant fighters, the greatest fighters in the world. i would rather let the generals tell you but a large number. we had helicopters and many other ships and planes. it was a large group and again this is a large group heading
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into very strong firepower areas. that was the session one, will be naked? and made it. but they took fire. but they made it. we don't believe it was nation fire, we believe it was nation fire, we believe it was individual group fire oi’ believe it was individual group fire or gunfire as the collot. so they made it and it was a big relief. then they went in, they blasted their way so quickly, it was incredible. because the building was quite powerful and strong. they blasted their way in and then all hell broke loose. it's incredible that nobody was killed or hurt. we had nobody even heard. and that is why the dog was so great. we actually had a robot to go in the tunnel but we didn't get it because we we re tunnel but we didn't get it because we were talking very closely but we had a robotjust in case because we we re had a robotjust in case because we were afraid he had suicide vest on anything oppressed on it and it was
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up anything oppressed on it and it was up you're going to die in a very powerful suicide. so mike while troops were on the ground? just incredible. we were getting full reports one little boy minute by minute basis. so, wejust broken, sir, the wall is known, sir, we have ca ptu red sir, the wall is known, sir, we have captured not microsoft, two people are walking out, hands up. fighters. then 11 children. you people were dead within the building that they killed. then it turned out they give us killed. then it turned out they give usa killed. then it turned out they give us a report, sir, there is only one person in the building. we are sure he is maternal trying to escape but it isa he is maternal trying to escape but it is a dead—end tunnel. and it was brutal. but it was over. as i said, when he blew himself up the tunnel collapsed on top of him. and his children. he led his children to death. so mike the robot followed to
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men? the robot was set to but we didn't pick it up because we were moving too fast. we were not 100% sure about the tunnel being dead ended. it's possible that you have been an escape hatch somewhere along but we don't know about. so we moved very, very quickly. these people we re very, very quickly. these people were chasing. but again because of the suicide vest you can go too close. again one of the reasons with the wives if they have a suicide vest you have to be very careful. these vests are brittle and they go for a long distance. thus mike brittle. so mike when you speak to families like the foley family. you mikei families like the foley family. you mike i am foley speaking to the
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family. he kept on his personal captivity for a long time. she was a beautiful young woman. she was there to help people. and he saw her. and she thought he —— mike and he thought that she was beautiful. he brought out into captivity for a long period of time and then he killed her. he was an animaland of time and then he killed her. he was an animal and he was gutless animal. that was president trump giving the details of the raid that killed al—baghdadi. he gave a brief statement and a lengthy question—and—answer session. mr trump said al—baghdadi is dead and
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it was a top national security operation and no logistics personnel we re operation and no logistics personnel were lost. —— american personal loss. al—baghdadi died after entering a dead—end tunnel and blew himself up. tests proved it was him. they have killed a man and a leader but not a movement. he said they chased al—baghdadi down a tunnel and they detonated a suicide vest along with three young children who president trump seem to indicate where his three young children inside that tunnel. this was a speech in which president trump spoke as he thinks and talk about
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al—baghdadi furthering and crying and screaming all the way. he described him as dying as a dog. it was very much a political speech and president trump was talking to an international audience thanking russia and syria and iraq forces and very critical of european countries for not taking back islamic state fighters. beyond that it was also very much in that an american audience. he talked about himself directing as commander—in—chief of the united states and he had obliterated an islamic state and this was his message to try and say that islamic state had now been defeated. but it is a point you've just raised, a very important one, that of course the ideology is something that does not die necessarily with al—baghdadi underwear references there were attem pts underwear references there were atte m pts to underwear references there were attempts to try and reorganise and regroup in recent months and also
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suggestions that al—baghdadi had su ccesses suggestions that al—baghdadi had successes who america has, according to president trump, in their sights. he also paid tribute to the most of those who died at the hands of islamic state and talked about some of the dreadful ways in which they die. iwant of the dreadful ways in which they die. i want to make reference to james foley, the journalist, die. i want to make reference to james foley, thejournalist, the first killed by islamic state. his mother said she was grateful to president trump and trips for finding —— tips forfinding al—baghdadi. —— troops. finding —— tips forfinding al-baghdadi. -- troops. can we expect what president prompted they said to feature in his re—election campaign? undoubtedly. the killing
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of the leader of al-qaeda was mentioned several times and many people believe it helped president barack 0bama as he was trying to go for office. in recent months there has been a huge criticism of the foreign policy of donald trump and at times it has been difficult for the white house to articulate exactly what is going on. he has been criticised although he denies it for allowing turkey to invade syria and allowing many to die in that invasion. but this will be seen asa that invasion. but this will be seen as a victory and president trump will use this to try and push the idea that he is someone who looks at the greater picture. willie defends american interests globally and that this has been something that has made america as well as the world safer. as you mentioned he said this was a top national security probity of his administration and therefore
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he regards this as a victory. what mightand of he regards this as a victory. what might and of course it will be part of the election campaign as you said. iwant of the election campaign as you said. i want to go to the order of turkey and syria are as close as we can get. tom bateman is there. i don't know how much of the president trump session you could see but he mentioned corporation of turkey. do you have met any idea of what turkey might or might not be able to do but so might or might not be able to do but so might we certainly have extremely vivid account from president trump of that special forces operation flyover territory which he repeatedly referred to as the most dangerous part of the operation. he said they had to fly over us with of territory in syria here which included that's controlled by russian forces, by turkish forces and repeatedly talking about the strength of firepower that those airborne troops had to potentially
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come into contact with. he said that they didn't apart from some limited fire that he believe not to be from any of the main players. he described it as individuals who didn't like helicopters flying over them. they said the town they did that fire. as for that cooperation he repeatedly talked about different countries and specifically fight people stop you had a us president thanking syria, thanking russia and other countries with which there has been not exactly a great deal of cooperation and coordination about many other things but when it came to this operation he was at pains to do that. then he also spoke about the cards, about syrian —— kurds. .
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that they had helped the american. kurdish in syria and instrumental in removing islamic state forces from northern iraq and syria, he said he thanked them as well. their leader has been talking about this afternoon the way in which he describes this as a historic operation and intelligence sharing with the americans. you have on the one hand the americans effectively paying tribute with the kurdish to each other and turkey in the third week of the operation across the border which they are trying to clear what they see as a terrorist organisation. and we now have a situation in which there has been a
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ceasefire which has been for the most pa rt ceasefire which has been for the most part holding. but i think this puts turkey and the americans and the kurdish militants across the border in a new realignment, a new phase of this relationship. if you're just joining phase of this relationship. if you'rejustjoining us phase of this relationship. if you're justjoining us what mike president trump has announced that the leader of islamic state, al—baghdadi has been killed. he said the united states had brought the worlds number one terrorist adjusters. healy is making the announcement a
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sort al—baghdadi was the leader of islamic states. the leader of the most ruthless terrorist organisation in the world. capturing him has been the most important part of my administration. american forces accomplish their mission in grand style with a night—time raid. the american personnel were incredible. no personnel were lost the operation but a large number of fighters and companions of al—baghdadi were killed with him. he died after running on to a tunnel, whimpering and screaming. the
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compound had been cleared by this time. people either surrendering or being shot and killed. 11 young children were moved out of the house and are uninjured. the only ones remaining where al—baghdadi in the tunnel. he had dragged three have children in the tunnel with him who would lead to certain death. we reach the end of the tunnel and as our dogs chased him down he ignited his best, killing himself and the three children. his body was mutilated by the blast. . the tunnel had caved in on it. test results gave certain immediate and totally positive identification. it was him. during
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president rob's announcement the director of white house social media pictured —— posted this picture on twitter which shows the president and vice president and key national security officials directing the operation. patrick cockburn corresponded to predicted the rise of isis and joins us predicted the rise of isis and joins us from canterbury. you type step—by—step the rise of islamic state. as the death of al—baghdadi a significant moment? will isis snowfall? he was the last important element in the caliphate which he declared in 2014. the caliphate extended to an area bigger than great britain under iraq and syria.
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that and being ground down since 2014. but it always stood out in everybody‘s minds that al—baghdadi we re everybody‘s minds that al—baghdadi were still alive and that isis was powerful and strong enough to keep them safe. so this is a big moment but it doesn't mean that isis will be totally out of business. as an organisation. it will make a and critically think of making attacks to counteract the impression that the death of al—baghdadi will make. we are already sealing an increase in guerrilla attacks in syria. —— mike seeing an increase. what was it about as miniature because the movement to rise under him? he had opportunities. he took over in 2010
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and two previous leaders of what became isis were killed in american air strike. shortly afterwards we had the arab spring and syria began to disintegrate, so isis, which had never been completely out of business also which they always had more strength there. n. mosul. it had influence. also the iraqi army was becoming more and more effective. there were some opportunities in 2011 and it took account of them. isis was always a brittle organisation but see and the
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other leaders would project terror. they would not only commit atrocities but with video people murdering individuals and massacring a online. spray terror everywhere. that was one of the motifs. we saw in 2014 he surprise the world by mosul. taking they spread rapidly but after that in many ways it was the witness of isis because the very ferocity of treating everyone as an enemy meant that they had enemies everywhere. we definitely need to attack the kurds in syria and that brought in the americans. trump has been saying he made an enemy in every country in the world. he was bound to be ground down and that is what eventually happened.
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with me in the studio this man tracks media for bbc monitoring. what did you find? there has not been an immediate commentary from isis itself. it doesn't usually rush to confirm or deny either way but there has been at least one occasion when it did report the death of a former spokesman within 24 hours. what kind of role did al—baghdadi play online? people showing inspiration by him over the last few months despite the fact he had lost all his land and this caliphate. we received messages from islamic state supporters online and many reminding
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each other to stay away from mainstream news and wait for official confirmation from isis. he was seen as a official confirmation from isis. he was seen as a charismatic leader. there were many occasions when just after the declaration of the so—called caliphate in 2014 in the very recent one was just about a month after the defeat of the so—called caliphate. and his messaging was shared widely online and was repeated and posters were made in his name. and in terms of his reported death we expect two things. number one, once that information comes through it will be spun into major ways. number one, information comes through it will be spun into majorways. number one, he will be described as a martyr and seen as a will be described as a martyr and seen as a martyr, somebody who was leading by example and therefore he was killed. is that important in the way he might be remembered that he
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was seen way he might be remembered that he was seen to be fighting to the end? yes, that is one way they will spin it. another way is perhaps they were once campaigns in his name. we rememberjust after the once campaigns in his name. we remember just after the defeat once campaigns in his name. we rememberjust after the defeat of the so—called caliphate in late march, islamic state did launch campaigns in revenge on syria and we may expect to see something similar to avenge the death of al—baghdadi. a reminder of our top story. last night the united states brought the worlds number one terrorist leader to justice. al—baghdadi is dead. what the american president donald trump confirms the death of al—baghdadi, the islamic state leader who was
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killed by us the islamic state leader who was killed by us forces in syria over night. mrtrump said killed by us forces in syria over night. mr trump said he had retreated into a tunnel and committed suicide. pa rt part two of the weekend looking much sunnier than saturday was. high pressure has been building in the north—east of scotland and you can see them scuttling here. see some of the wintry ones over the high ground. you can see them over the north of england and wales and elsewhere in northern ireland. these conditions for the size it will be a dry story. but my for the
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south. you at least have the sunshine to compensate. shows continue over the north—east of scotla nd continue over the north—east of scotland in particular over the northern isles. dry and clear skies. a recipe for our cold night. temperatures will follow it quickly and you see the blue colours across the northern and eastern areas. wide red low temperatures. those in cities close to freezing. frost and chris sunshine around. the next few days look fine and dry with winter sunshine. it will be cold with overnight frost. an early frost on monday without frost lifting and widespread sunshine. these are required for the north—east of scotla nd required for the north—east of scotland and some speed not quite as today. some cloud spending out of the north—west of england. apart
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from a dry and sunny day. don't of nine to 12 degrees. then on the softening stories. high pressure still affecting the country on tuesday. if you little further northwards into the south—west. it looks like it was thought to bring a bid to bring to southern and western areas as we head into wednesday. fine day for tuesday and another pull the right one and it will be fine with some sunshine in eastern areas on wednesday but by thursday and friday it looks like low pressure takes over dp brilliant wet and windy weather to our shores and it will be milder. —— mike to bring wet and windy weather to our shores.
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hello, this is bbc news. the headlines: president trump has announced that us forces have cold abu bakr al— baghdadi. a brutal killer. 0ne baghdadi. a brutal killer. one who has caused so a brutal killer. one who has caused so much hardship and death has violently been eliminated. the us says al baghdadi died after detonating a suicide vest, killing three children in the process. his brutal self—proclaimed is "caliphate" lasted five years
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and attracted thousands ofjihadists from around the world. uk opposition politicians have joined forces to offer borisjohnson the chance of the 9th of december general election before the brexit feel is approved. vigils are held in vietnam by families who fear their loved ones were among the 39 people found dead in a refrigerated unit in a lorry nsx. wales out of the rugby world cup after losing to south africa in the semifinals. now on bbc news, the week in parliament. the announcement from donald trump that abu bakr al— baghdadi has been cold overnight in a raid by us special forces. we are waiting for a news cold fronts update from washington from the pentagon. we
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