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tv   Victoria Derbyshire  BBC News  November 23, 2019 4:30pm-5:01pm GMT

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hello, and welcome to the programme. over the next 30 minutes we will bring you some of the highlights of the programme from the last week. first, we hear from jennifer arcuri, the american businesswoman at the heart of a controversy over her links with borisjohnson. on monday, she described her anger at the way she described her anger at the way she feels she is being treated. she claims the prime minister and his aides have blocked and ignored her since the controversy blew up. it is alleged she received favourable treatment when mrjohnson was the mayor of london because of their friendship. both allegations —— make allegations both of them deny. she said she felt snubbed by a man she considered a friend. tell our audience what it has been like for you being in the middle of this scandal? horrendous, to answer shortly. i mean, it is a nightmare i
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cannot wake up from. itjust shortly. i mean, it is a nightmare i cannot wake up from. it just seems to perpetually get worse. it isn't because i keep coming on to do interviews, even when i don't do any interviews, even when i don't do any interviews the story continues. or some new piece of information is found, or some salacious gossip is printed. now that i am here in london, i want to make every attempt that i can to speak out about the wrongdoing and the foul treatment i have received from the media. and hopefully try and change the way the narrative is going. what has been the effect on you personally and your business? and there it is horrific. i mean, the mental warfare thatis horrific. i mean, the mental warfare that is needed to not completely lose it every time you look at twitter or social media, or you see people respond because they are angry from the deceptions they have
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been fed. my business? all of these allegations that it did not meet eligibility requirements. this is by the by. dcms was very intrigued and inspired by my company. that is why we got the funding. we were exceptionally good at what we do. our technical acumen is very good. those in the uk in the intelligence services and an information security know who we are and what we stand for. dcms funding is a grant you apply for a £100,000, a review said that it was appropriate, some of that it was appropriate, some of that £100,000 has been paused. i will come to that later. what you think about how you feel boris johnson is ignoring you, that you we re johnson is ignoring you, that you were not a fleeting one night stand? isaid were not a fleeting one night stand? i said that specifically. it wasn't like i rocked up when he became
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prime minister and thought, ok, here iam! prime minister and thought, ok, here i am! let's have this story come out. absolutely not. it has been almost ten years i've had him in my life and the fact that i have to now be dragged back to britain to somehow stand up for myself and not be afraid to actually call him out forjust be afraid to actually call him out for just looking the be afraid to actually call him out forjust looking the other way and allowing me to be fed to the lions. ifind it allowing me to be fed to the lions. i find it absolutely atrocious. he has an entire pr team. when i reached out to him asking him about this media and what would happen with the story, i was completely sidelined. why keep me away? why treat me like the enemy. i don't get it. you haven't been dragged back to britain, you have come here voluntarily. he is the prime minister and extraordinarily busy. he is ina minister and extraordinarily busy. he is in a new relationship. perhaps it isn't surprising he is not
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contacted you? sure. being dragged back means i chose to come back because i am choosing to show the public that i never went anywhere. i was always a uk company. i went to the west coast to bring in more revenue and seek out more clients and build my business. i didn't do anything wrong. when i come back here, dragged back meaning dragged back with the weight of the world on my shoulders. having to fend for myself in my city that is now com pletely myself in my city that is now completely turned upside down. the legacy of my events has been tarnished with this. hacker house has been completely eaten alive and broken apart across the media. of course i am coming back to call him out on it. here is the thing. i've no interest in his new relationship. he has moved on, i have moved on. fine. that should not stop him from having the kind courtesy to acknowledge the fact that for a long timei acknowledge the fact that for a long time i was a part of his life and
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just like that, after he has already become his big leader role, feed me to the wolves and let me die. why? what do you want him to do? pick up the phone and acknowledge that this story was brewing, because it was an orchestrated attack specifically put together to feed lies to the public about my character, my personality, what kind of businesswoman i am and, of course, the public like to use words like blonde, model, ex pole dancer. all of these things became the firing line, i was caught in a storm. he is the prime minister though. and? he has biggerfish to fry? i don't buy it. that is what happens when you meet someone for the night, you don't know them. you haven't spent their hours with them,
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the investment into another person. the fact i am called out because, why am the fact i am called out because, whyami the fact i am called out because, why am i here if i'm not here to admit the affair. wait a minute, why am i here if i'm not here to admit the affair. waita minute, i'm not allowed to be upset because somebody that was very much a part of my life, who knew what i stood for and the calibre and integrity and merit that i work at? all of these things he knew and hejust and merit that i work at? all of these things he knew and he just sat back. why? he did not have to ignore me. it could have been a 32nd phone call to let me know that he is acknowledging the fact that while he gets to be prime minister, he gets to feed me to the wolves and i find that really disturbing. because he fed you to the wolves? yes. why do you say that? because the right thing to do would have been to cut the phone and talk to me. i haven't been a politician for 20 years, i've not been in the public eye. aside from a fleeting glimmer of a press release when i used to have an
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event, or when my co—founderfinds release when i used to have an event, or when my co—founder finds a new exploit. that is the press coverage i received. i've never found anything where literally everything i've ever done is written down and categorically drawn back to one man. the entire press gives this man credit for everything i have done. why wouldn't he acknowledge the fact that he did know me? that he did like my events? he really did like coming, he did like innotech. and now it has turned into this nefarious, must have declared an interest in order to be transparent. these things i did not know of, or i knew the importance of, until now. what sort of pressure has there been on you to reveal all? umm, how do i start? the fact i am called out, why did you come here if you are not willing admit the affair? how can you be upset without admitting the affair? when the story first broke i
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was told to admitted and it goes away in two days. i said, can you guarantee that? they could not. —— admit it. before this scandal came to public attention, you rang him in august. what happened? i rang him because i wanted to know what would happen with this story. like i just said. i've never been caught in something like this and i had no idea the calibre of torture that i would have to go through. so, i rang and he answered. it was passed to someone and he answered. it was passed to someone who mocked me by pretending to speak with a chinese accent. they we re to speak with a chinese accent. they were not actually speaking chinese, english with a chinese accent? yes, even more mockingly pathetic. and it wasn't him? it wasn't him, i know his voice but it was someone who did not want him speaking to me. and you text him last week? what did you
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say? i called him first and he hung up say? i called him first and he hung up on me. yes, hello? isaid, why did you block me. lech. i called back, and it was like, really? do i have to do this? i was pressing it over and over. this is ridiculous. soi over and over. this is ridiculous. so i sent him a text. do you want to read it? " is this the price of loyalty? to be hung up on, ignored and blocked. why would i remain silent if you can't even speak to me and i've been nothing but loyal to you". did he reply? no. why are you loyal to him? you". did he reply? no. why are you loyalto him? because outside you". did he reply? no. why are you loyal to him? because outside of what the press are seeing right now, this... this man who is acting like he is as shallow as a paddling pool, outside of this personified fake
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puppet. outside of this personified fake puppet, i see, outside of this personified fake puppet, isee, and i don't outside of this personified fake puppet, i see, and i don't mean to discredit him as much. just layout the fact that i am very upset that he could not man up and pick up the phone and call me. no one supports him more than i do. no one wanted him more than i do. no one wanted him to succeed more than i did. all of those years, i was building a technology ecosystem and my text m essa 9 es technology ecosystem and my text messages are, we are doing this together and we'll build this tech community. just wait, london will be great. you will see! and he said no, thank you so much for believing in london. he was nothing but... for him to suddenly decide, ok, i'm prime minister and i have no time for you? no, i prime minister and i have no time foryou? no, i remember how prime minister and i have no time for you? no, i remember how busy you we re for you? no, i remember how busy you were during the olympics and i know how busy you are and i know that you area how busy you are and i know that you are a man of your word. did he call you when he was london met? absolutely. and that is why it is ha rd absolutely. and that is why it is hard for me now. every guy say they
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would call and they don't. but every time he said he would call, he would call me. i was convinced he was a man of his word. i could not believe the linear focus in which he man of his word. i could not believe the linearfocus in which he had on me. i assure you, it wasn'tjust a sexual intention. he was actually very intrigued by my energy and ability to get things done. he loved my events. he saw how i could work a room and how i met everybody. i was in london for 30 seconds and i knew a lot of people. he recognised that. ifind ita a lot of people. he recognised that. ifind it a real shame. a lot of people. he recognised that. ifind ita realshame. i know a lot of people. he recognised that. ifind it a real shame. i know that he's a very passionate, in—depth, charismatic... a very considerate person but it has been very hard for me to stand back and keep excusing this. where dating him? i don't want to a nswer this. where dating him? i don't want to answer these questions, victoria. i appreciate it. only because you said it wasn't just a sexual
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intention. of course, iwon't said it wasn't just a sexual intention. of course, i won't sit here and patronise the public. my intention is not to dance around the topic as much as to put an end to this nonsensical questioning and more 01’ this nonsensical questioning and more or less bullying on me to admit my weakness. i wasn't weak. nobody lost their senses. i don't feel any, you know... let me pay you this. the reason you are in the middle of this is because mrjohnson is alleged to have failed to declare your relationship when he was mayor of london. potentially he broke the greater london authority code of conduct. the code of conduct says that holders of public office should not use their position to gain benefits for their family or friends, and states holders of public office should declare any private interest relating to their public duties. he denies any wrongdoing. have a look at this. this is mrjohnson being asked about this by my colleague, andrew marr. everything was done with full
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propriety. so you did declare the interest and you can say that... know, i said everything was done in accordance... you have to declare an interest. did you declare it? there was no interest to declare. there was no interest to declare. there was no interest to declare. you know what? i agree with him. there was no interest. no interest in that i was rightfully... i applied for these tenders. i had to go through the process and i got £10,000 in sponsorship for an event that cost £50,000. idid sponsorship for an event that cost £50,000. i did an event at the houses of parliament, they gave me 1500. have you ever done an event there? it buys you a cup of coffee! he didn't do me any favours. i would have produced this event with a without him. the fact he wanted to come and show his support for the london tech scene was huge. he
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didn't really know where to start. yes, he had a lot of handlers and people shoving papers on his face... i hear you saying he did not do you any favours. but you were in a close friendship. you asked him to speak at business events of yours in april 2012, april 2013. you said to itv you made a profit on that. you sold vip tickets for £1000 per head. you made a profit on that. you sold vip tickets for £1000 per headlj you made a profit on that. you sold vip tickets for £1000 per head. i do not know where that came from, actually. and a profit on an events business goes right back into the event. it wasn't what a pot of gold just because borisjohnson came!|j understand that, but borisjohnson broke to city hall on multiple occasions —— mike wrote to city hall declaring interests. why did your name not appear? i don't know. should he have declared you as an interest? if that would have saved me this entire embarrassment and humiliation and carrying this weight
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of being torn through the media, then yes. i wish he had. was there favouritism? no, then yes. i wish he had. was there favouritism ? no, no then yes. i wish he had. was there favouritism? no, no there wasn't. let me read the statement on behalf of their prime minister. the conservative party say any claims of impropriety in office are untrue and unfounded. given that city hall have made an independent statement, we will not be providing details. the matter will be quickly resolved by the iopc. also this week, we exclusively revealed the identity of a royal marines charge with the murder of a wounded taliban fighter in afghanistan in 2011. until our report, he was only known as marine e. marine e is sam deen. military court has lifted an anonymity order and he can finally talk about what happened that day in afghanistan when head cam footage showed him offering to shoot the wounded fighter in the head. the murder
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charge against him was later dropped. he reveals to the programme that he tried to take his own life after hitting rock bottom. his colleague that day, marine a, alexander blackman, was given a life sentence for murder. his conviction was reduced to manslaughter and he was reduced to manslaughter and he was released from prison in 2017. clairejones reports. a story of men in war. i wanted to be the best that you physically could be. that is why i wanted to join the marines. if things had been different, i probably would have done the full service. i cannot back and have a lot to be proud of. men who shared a moment that changed their lives forever. the way i left was arguably unique. though it is hard. i do not feel like i did anything wrong. i don't feel like anything wrong. i don't feel like any of us did anything wrong.|j
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anything wrong. i don't feel like any of us did anything wrong. i had any of us did anything wrong. i had a mental health diagnosis but mine was situation and location specific. i tried to take an overdose. it wasn't the best time. what has happened that day is one of the biggest military controversies of our times. but the stories of some of the men involved have not been told. now, one of those men is speaking for the first time about the day that changed his life forever. you cannot really go through something like that and not be different at the end of it. in 2012, nine royal marines were
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arrested on suspicion of murder after an incident involving an insurgent in afghanistan. five marines were charged, and an anonymity order was granted in order to protect them. they became known as marine a, big merci, d and marine e. marine e's real name is sam deen. a military court has lived in an order so that he can speak freely about what happened that day in afghanistan. and there we were scrambled out to intercept the taliban. we stormed a compound. they we re taliban. we stormed a compound. they were trying to flank us. they could have been trying to flank us but these two insurgents had been shooting at one of our check points. they were actively going out to kill british troops. the helicopter was called in. 144 rounds he let off. the apache. he
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did not get a direct hit. he was just hitting the ground. it appeared one of the taliban was still alive. ido i do remember being called over. he was in the middle of the field, very exposed. i took him out of the way. he was there quite some time. it was like, what are we doing here? let's get out of here. alexander blackman was in command. marine a. get out of here. alexander blackman was in command. marine ai get out of here. alexander blackman was in command. marine a. i was involved in the beginning, when he called. that was influencing things.
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this video footage is from a helmet camera, worn by one of the marines. what was it you said on the video?|j don't remember exactly what i was saying. yeah, let's just don't remember exactly what i was saying. yeah, let'sjust put don't remember exactly what i was saying. yeah, let's just put one don't remember exactly what i was saying. yeah, let'sjust put one in his head. let's do it. i will shoot him. the guy was dying, he was in pain. it was like, he's going to die. then, it happened. right, that's done. let'sjust go. we took his fingerprints to find out who he was, made him decent, and left. there's no way that they could have ended without risking, you know, british casualties. it had to end. it had to be that way. he was going to die anyway. sam left
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afghanistan and tried to put the incident out of his head. afghanistan and tried to put the incident out of his headlj afghanistan and tried to put the incident out of his head. i was actually on ship in gibraltar. i heard over the seven marines had been arrested for some footage found on someone's laptop. i did not realise i was actually one of those guys. it was a bit of a shock. i didn't feel like i did anything wrong. i don't feel any of us did anything wrong. i thought it would be done and dusted. it's like, how can you charge me? you've seen the video. i didn't have any involvement other than saying what i said. how can you charge me with full on murder when i did not kill anyone? the whole situation, i was used as a scapegoat for the military. they had to be seen to do something. if they we re to be seen to do something. if they were going to do that, they should bring up thousands of cases that happened in every single war. four months later, sam was acquitted of
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the murder charge. but the acquittal was not the end of the story. even though it was done and dusted for me, it wasn't in my head. i sort of went off the rails a bit. ijust broke down. i remember i broke down andi broke down. i remember i broke down and i was crying. but nobody knew what to do. it was, ok, we are flying you back to the uk. i had to sit around, flying you back to the uk. i had to sitaround, and flying you back to the uk. i had to sit around, and wait. they flew me back and i was sort of stuck. stuck in limbo. then, in 2015, sam left the royal marines. it was like, i just went off the rails. a combination of the stresses from the tour and the trial. alljust bottled up. then, it wasjust... popped. it really affected my mental health. years later, years down the line. last year, sam attempted to end his life. i was having panic attacks as
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well. i didn't want to live like this any more. yeah, i tried to take an overdose. it wasn't... it wasn't the best time. you go from being a royal marines in control, who knows what he's doing in life. to then leaving, and just losing control. it's embarrassing, yeah. that's not embarrassing. in my head, it was. you don't want people to think you are struggling, do you? especially because it wasn't successful as well. but, you've got to live with the after of that and people knowing. yeah. marine a's identity was revealed in 2013, as alexander blackman. he was given a life sentence for murder. his conviction
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was later reduced to manslaughter, and he was released from prison in 2017. you had a long and distinguished career in the royal marines over many years with many different experiences. what you've become known for is that one afternoon in one field in afghanistan. how does that make you feel? it is difficult. but it's the situation i found myself in and how life is. you know, i'm moving on from that and it's not defining who lam. from that and it's not defining who i am. sam has spoken very honestly about his mental health, and how he has struggled to adapt to civilian life. is that something you can relate to? in certain aspects. i mean, you know, i had a mental health diagnosis but mine was situation or location specific, as faras i'm aware. situation or location specific, as far as i'm aware. i don't feel i am suffering now. i've had colleagues who i have worked with who
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unfortunately have ta ken who i have worked with who unfortunately have taken their lives re ce ntly unfortunately have taken their lives recently since they have left service because they are struggling with mental health issues and have ke pt with mental health issues and have kept it all bottled up. since leaving prison, why have you wanted to help veterans? you know, the difficulties that they face, not all of them, but some of them can face when they transition can seem insurmountable. i see the opportunity to help others and give something back is very appealing.- help with some's mental health, he has challenged himself to climb the seven summits, the highest mountains across the seven continents of the world. week by week, day by day, i am changing. ijust feel stronger and more confident. i do not feel like i can be in the situation i was in last year. when i wanted to start climbing, it gave me the boost i needed and it took my mind off everything else. that it was going to get me back to where i need to
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be, to feel like i am achieving something. if you keep dreaming big, thatis something. if you keep dreaming big, that is when it gets better, doesn't it? that's it for this week. a reminder that you can contact us at any time. thanks for watching. hello there. the next few days will stay mild, but there will be some rain around at times as well. certainly today has been a dull, cloudy and damp sort of day. we have had some heavier rain earlier on in wales and the south—west, that has been easing off. the wetter weather transferring its way a little bit further north, with thickening cloud and rain arriving more widely in scotland. now through this evening and into the first part of the night, the heaviest of the rain will be
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affecting north—east england and eastern scotland, particularly heavy rain, i think, over the high ground. it may well lead to some travel difficulties. there is the rain moving north. got a bit of rain and drizzle heading up from the south—east across england and wales. that peters out overnight. it turns drier across northern ireland. away from the north—east, where it is wet and quite windy as well, those winds will be falling light. we're going to find some mist and fog patches. it should be a mild frost free night with temperatures at sixes and sevens. tomorrow, a drier day. we're in between two weather systems. the next area of low pressure approaching the south—west by the end of sunday. we still have got some rain in the morning across eastern scotland that will slowly peter out. it will linger a bit longer in the northern isles. one or two light showers maybe around these irish sea coastal areas, but on the whole a drier day, but lots of cloud again. quite misty and murky in the morning. maybe a little sunshine here and there. south—east corner favoured for a while, perhaps the moray firth. temperatures generally in double figures, and those numbers very similar to what we've seen today.
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into the beginning of next week, here is our area of low pressure bringing rain up from the south—west. we have the jet stream on there as well, because that is a bit further south than normal for this time of year. that is picking up those areas of low pressure and pushing the rain towards the uk. again, from the south—west, this is monday, rain overnight continuing northwards. mainly affecting england and wales on monday, not as wet for scotland and northern ireland. the winds picking up as well. sunshine is going to be hard to find. but at least, i suppose, it is on the mild side. no frost again in the morning and temperatures generally in double figures. that mild weather continues into the middle part of next week. then signs of change as the wind direction changes. colder air coming down from the north and north—east. potentially even a touch of frost returning by the end of next week. that is some way off — you can see how the temperatures do drop away. ahead of that, it is mild, cloudy with some heavy rain at times, particularly for southern parts of england and wales.
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