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to mission is simple -- build a significant centralized news property for a digital page. the chief of fox. com was the founder of a washington post vox.com waschief of the founder of the washington post blog. i am also joined by the ceo of the parent company of vox.com. how and why did this happen? because i have been writing about american politics for about 10 years. what you learn when you are doing that, particularly the policy stuff -- obamacare, the financial crisis, the hard, complicated stuff, is that we are not well set up to guide readers through stories. we started covering obamacare before anyone in the world was covering it. i the time people tune in, we have done our explanation.
we are on little bitty pieces. the idea was, what if we could create a news site that over five years of covering something does not just give you 5000 articles about obamacare, but build a central resource that could really guide you from the beginning of the story to the end, so that no matter when you wanted to start paying attention, you had the information in front of you to understand it all stop the was thatbehind this the problem was technological. in order to print one thing, you have to leave out something else, what the internet has plenty of room. if we could create a new publishing technology and a new journalistic workflow, we have plenty of space to create the kind of resource we always wanted as writers. media had something close to that publishing technology. >> who notice to first?
first?ced who a our technology guy was at conference with ezra. ezra heard him speak. i think you describe it as, either i join these guys or i compete against them. we want up coming together. >> he said an interesting thing. tell me if i am right about this. you said, they are already using the technology we are working on. you knew they had something, knew what they were doing. >> i was at this conference and had this idea in my head, before we had gone public with it at all. trade talking about some of the things they invented. s, i wouldoom trey wa not speak, because i was worried that if i said anything more, they could execute on it. we would not have room to do it later. i left the conference terrified to let people know about vox me dia.
a couple of weeks later, we hooked up and it was an easy merger. >> you know someone who was on this program with his son, early . he said to me, so many startups ups have the idea, but not the technology. >> i think in media in particular, it is taken for granted. you know whether it is energy or health care, education, they have all been transformed, the whole industry, by technology. when it comes to media, we look at certain platforms -- netflix is a great example. amazon is a great example. when it comes to content creation, technology has been marginalized. this historical legacy of, let the i.t. guys let ust, as opposed to, be a technology-driven product. the tech guys are simply publishing what the creators
give them. >> that is exactly right. the first phase was, great companies with great brand names, putting content on the web, whether it is video or text, putting it on the web and expecting great results. they were burned by that. that is where we hear about digital dollars turning into dimes. where thehing came pendulum swung, and honestly you got a lot of low value content. a lot of slideshow, pop-up, content farms and crowd source model. conditioned to have low expectations of web content. it was lousy, and the advertising was also lousy. i think we are entering a third phase, where great new brands are being created with quality web-native journalists, great design, and great user utility. that is what we are investing in. >> how did you come to form vox media?
>> it started as a sports site, sbnation. that is still one of the fastest parts of the seven different brands we run. an oakland a's fan got fed up with all the giants coverage in his hometown and decided to do something about it. he started an oakland a's blog called athletics nation which is still around. washe time "moneyball" coming out, billy beane became a fan of the site. those inve 20 of different communities. this underlying publishing platform allowed us to publish in real-time, take advantage of where we saw media going, which was more social, conversational, more real-time, and more topical. there were a lot of great portals. but you cannot necessarily command authority in any given area, so we wanted to be more
vertical in nature. we did well in sports and decided to launch into technology as our second one. we created one called the verge. that is a site that focuses on the intersection of technology and culture. technology has an impact on everything today -- art, literature, science. the verge looks at the world through the lens of technology. as a result, it has been taking off, and rose to the top of -- passed a lot of older brands that had been around for a while , with its fresh approach. >> brands like what? >> brands we respect, like wired or techcrunch. all great sites in their own right, but we took a new approach, with forward-looking design and forward-looking content strategy. as a result, the audience continues to grow. >> what is the key to design?
this is not about health care. >> the answer is really good designers. a really good platform. >> obviously, that is true. but i am asking again -- is there a sense that if you can have somebody that can give you some variation of this, that is where you have to go, designwise? one of my cofounders is a woman named melissa bell, who and designs.s our theory was that there were four pieces to what we're doing. there was the editorial piece, the building of the under nine technology -- underlying technology, the design, and the business. if any of the four was not there -- >> this was design, technology, and editorial. quickly thing about design is, i cannot do it.
i do not have a design sense. the folks who we work for at some of the designers, like matt irvine, are unbelievable. a lot of people do a design and thing, how pretty is it going to be? what they would talk about is user experience. i think this is an port and distinction to make. on the editorial side, the idea was we could give evil a range that went from the specific articles they come to us for, and also an entry into all kinds of topics. they could go as deep as they want to go. you have that much information, the experience for the user, how overwhelmed they get or do not get -- they can bring it somewhere else that matters. that experience decides whether or not that information is words
on the internet. not pay attention to design, the whole thing fails. >> across mobile and across tactics and desktops -- you have to make it all work. we are conditioned to think of our phones as beautifully and elegantly designed devices. apple has conditioned us and many others to think that way. when you thought of websites, you did not think about things that were beautifully designed and utilitarian. we put a lot of effort into that. we test and refine and are not afraid to be bold. aresee a lot of things that overdesigned on the web, pretty for the sake of being pretty. overeb had become a little optimized. you often wind up in the exact same place. a lot of websites and up looking the same. crammed into the
right rail of the website, the right side. that is where we put that other stuff. beste were like, that is practices. we were able to talk to our audience, analyze the data, and be bold about where we were going. >> with guys like ezra, what do they have to do to ring your bell? >> we have a strong belief and vox media that there is a new breed of talent, a new class of storytellers that grew up as web native. in silica and valley, we are part technology. you have this culture of the hacker as hero. this is a person who never asked permission to create a web application. they did it at home. mark zuckerberg is the prince of the hackers. in media now, it is the same way. when i was younger, you had to
fight for that school paper job just to get yourself published. let alone if you wanted to be a professional at this, you had to have some connections and hope your talent would take you far. obviously, that has all changed now. we have access to open platforms. we can create a blog on wordpress, video on vimeo or youtube. talent can experiment. is not going to be professional grade. but there are going to be stars that rise, whether it is a woman ore melissa bell, or as raw josh, or any of our team. we look for those media hackers. >> did you learn on your own? cruzapplied to the santa college, and i got rejected. around that time, i had started a blog. i said, i guess i will spend
more time on them. i have often thought that if i had actually gotten into the newspaper, he could not only have gone differently, but a lot worse. the skills that were valuable and important or not where the industry was going. my blog, i began it in march of 2003. it is utterly uninformed. whatever this college kid. >> every time you have ever been on the show, you were a great guest. we knew you could deliver. it would be an interesting point of view. beyond health care, where is your core competence in terms of editorial? >> in terms of editorial as a writer, my core competence is generally positive. the different kind of learning i did on my site is, if you are going to go into media, which i did not intend to do, you are going to be doing a blog as an amateur. you are not going to get your
calls returned by congressman. you have to learn about politics a different way. you have to figure out something that gives you the information to elicit value for your audience that is not uninformed. the direction i went in with that was reading a lot of white papers from think tanks, a lot of academic research. even tonks are open people who do not have a huge platform. and,ve me, on the research the ability to dive deep and get the kind of information that a lot of professional journalists did not want to take the time to do. it can be dull, complicated. the great thing about doing policy online is, you can go very deep into very esoteric topics that would never get a huge audience, because you would never make it into the paper or a magazine or television show. but it does not bother your audience. you can write it.
every other time you are dealing with that issue, you are more grounded. have spent the last couple of years at the washington post, running five riders at a blog there. i switched to a tech site which was more socially driven. i have had a bit of experienced rain to build on my product and trying to understand, who is your audience, and what do you do to serve them? if you are going to complete online, the fundamental difference is not just technology. how competitive it is. you need to be delivering a service to your readers that other people are not delivering. there is almost no way in a world that has a new yorker, washington post, new york times, these incredible organizations, that you are going to be such better writers that you are going to be able to compete. you need to find a service. at washington post, our service
was policy. -- it you also believe believe the washington post would have been more attractive to you then doing what you did. what could they have made, some promise that would have made you stay there? you have said nothing but good things about "the washington post" in your description of the departure. but i question whether someone like this might have the same thing he has, to go to the entrepreneur. >> i think you do not underestimate an organization run by jeff bezos for its ability to be -- i love the post. it is an incredible organization. decided to focus itself on "the washington post." i felt this product needed to be
built to be itself, needed to be its own thing. i have no doubt the posts in one amazing products, as they do everything will day -- every single day. >> was there something that could have promised you that would have made you stay? what didn't they have in their promise that would have compelled you to stay? >> i think that when we have those -- >> framing it in the positive -- >> i am not asking for negatives. i am just asking for the truth. >> you already touched on things like a particular technology and a particular approach to design that was already built up. the post is capable of building up, but we had it. is, we testament to that launched our site within six weeks. it will never be a finished product. most great websites are not.
but we were ready to go. we had a lot of assets. another difference. we have this set of brown's. sbnation, and now vox, what we are trying to do is create next-generation brands. you go to the magazine rack and see big categories -- news, sports, home, food. you turn on cable and see big categories -- news, sports, home, food. on the web, we want to be that company that creates the leading media brands for a generation of consumers that have grown up expressing a preference to consume digitally, by the web, by mobile. every ounce of our organization is consumed with that. we wake up in the morning with no distractions. no business model distractions. no creative distractions. of beinga big part
successful in any endeavor, and we are able to focus on that. >> would you say there is a condescension toward providing simple information? >> there is in the media broadly. explainers, we will begin an explainer about the crisis in the ukraine, with the answer of what is ukraine or , or unexplained or about medical marijuana laws -- what is marijuana? you get pushback from the media, because they feel it is simple. >> you will never get any from me. >> why do you know that? >> i believe in digging deep as you possibly can. simple informational -- what follows tablets? something like that is a very simple question. there is a huge need for it.
>> there are two problems in the media around this kind of thing. one is that the media rights for itself too often. it is trying to impress the peer group. you have a lot of desire to be thehe analytical and and on reporting and, the cutting-edge, to be the competitor. you are trying to come up with an idea on the bleeding edge of the conversation, that none of your competitors have thought of. meanwhile, your readership has not read everything on the planet about this. they are not like you, a professional media consumer. the bleedingng on edge, you are missing part of the pie. -- i am sure i will make of the quote. the signoff, we have always tried to never underestimate the audience costs intelligence or
oraudience's intelligence overestimate their information. i think we often do both. we underestimate how serious they are about hard issues. wapo was all about the idea that policy was not about the vegetables. you put in the work to make it readable, but you need to give folks the information they need to understand what you are talking about. lookinghen i hear folks i am thrilled, because it shows me how wide open that space is. >> what is interesting is, after they get through the first card -- you asked about design. one of our design features is a metaphor of a card stack.
preparing you for a topic, helping you to consume information. this is a design metaphor that works particularly well on mobile. you can be on your phone and swiped from one set of explanations to the next. as as her was saying, usually zra wasst -- as ex saying, the first is basic. what is obamacare? it gets moreough, detail. always easy to understand. the first card, for people who are experts, might be evident. as you go through, i have had experts on a topic like gerrymandering, say, i learned something new. and i do this for a living. >> and people like to learn new things. by the way, in the share economy, it is something people like to share. i learned this, and i want to express that i learned this. it is helpful in that regard.
>> my friend david carr has several things to say. 's change of address could be read as the latest parable of old media cluelessness. ontar journalist cashing in namebrand success, but it is more than that. he said, mr. klein is not running away from something. he is going toward something else. >> there is some sort of negative judgment being rendered on the washington post. the washington post just won a number of pulitzers. theredeeply glad to be and it is a deeply incredible organization. this was just a different idea. if you are a large distributor, a large magazine that has a good website, you need a publishing system that provides a number of
different solutions and integrates different things, including how to move things from digital. you have publishing systems built in the world that are really good. the thing we needed to do, which was create a quite vast amount easy tomation, that was update, easy to make permanent, easy for reporters to get back to, that could be attached to other information -- that was optimizing your technology for something entirely different. -- what weis saying were running towards was this idea there was something different we could do. not necessarily better. just different, and needed. vox media had the technology to do it. people creating the product know more about technology than editorial content? >> it is a perfect question. -- it requires a
multidisciplinary approach. our platform -- we get a lot of kudos for it. say, is it a unicorn with a pink ribbon that creates magical content? of course not. it takes subject matter experts that know how to work the web. but technology can assist the storytelling process. technology is developed by people who listen and collaborate to develop the best systems for helping existing distribution, and the consumption of digital media. carr pointed out, there is a whole class of talent. we get people who understand digital and create stories for this media, first and foremost. guys spencer our
the college football voice on the web, or a woman like is grant, who understands fashion and retail better than anyone -- every day, we think, how do we enable the audiences and advertisers? >> when you think about people who are leaving, does this in a sense make these institutions lesser, if they are losing so many good people? in the digital sphere? >> it is hard to point to anyone at these great institutions, that still create incredible products -- i tend to think of our products as targeting a class of audience that really prefers to consume digitally. the new york times is doing some incredible work digitally as well.
there are older media organizations that can get it and execute on it very well. not all of them to -- not all of them do. some are afraid because they lost money or for whatever >> last thingsp about the place you came from, washington post. i love, and ings think this fits into simple curiosity. something andat say, five bits about obamacare. you will see new information you have not thought about. become part of the conventional wisdom and might not be true. what do you think bezos is going to do? what impact will he have on the washington post? >> i would be fascinated to know. but me say a broad think about jeff bezos.
there can be a sort of a cult of the billionaire. it is not just the washington post. any time a charismatic billionaire takes over, the question people ask is, what will jeff azo stew? is, there is a really talented editorial team, and products team and other types of teams at the post. he is going to give them, for a while, the resources and the autonomy to execute on their vision. jeff bezos is not going to come in and tell the executive editor, here is how you would publish this. jeff bezos is going to help back who runsd emilio, digital, and the rest of the leadership team. some people have this image that is going to sit in the back room and come up with a great plan. but they are good, deep organizations. will bejeff bezos listening, but i think
execution, just like it would be for anyone, including -- this is how jim would describe what he does at vox media. it is going to be in powering really good people, giving them the resources and protection and time to push the post and any other institution like this forward. >> it is good to have you here. >> great to be here, thanks. ♪
>> john calipari is the head basketball coach at the university of kentucky. in 2009ed in lexington after building programs at the university of massachusetts and others, culminating in an improbable run through the tournament to the championship game. he writes about his coaching philosophy and much more in "players first: coaching from the inside out." i am pleased to have him at this table for the first time. >> i've made it. i got to the table. >> on the half of the table, i say thank you. the table says, we do not speak. we just do. i am glad to have you.
as you know, i am a huge basketball fan. a duke basketball fan. is blue. it is blue. we did not do so well in the ncaa this year. you know better than me. >> very good recruiting class. very good players in the program. obviously, michael had those guys ready. >> what is it about you and mike ?nd michigan, louisville you build programs. you do not build teams. you build programs. >> the program in kentucky started in the 1930's, with a guy named adolph. it is amazing that the foundation he set still stands today. true leaders, in my mind, build something. and when they leave, it
continues. and that is what he did. walking into kentucky is like nothing i have ever done. i had to build massachusetts, and rebuild. i walked in there. the program was down, but it was tough. >> they had a fan base. >> he did not have to sell a ticket or get people excited about basketball. and they watched the tapes more than i watch the tapes. >> you mean the fans. >> they will watch it three times. i watch it once or twice. but, again, what we are doing, and what i talk about in "players first" -- the players have not changed. the clutter around them has changed. the environments have changed, in that they now have choices after a year of going to college. where kids stayed four years, now it is, how do you deal with this? >> you look at the reality and say, that is the reality that i
have to deal with? there are players in the country going to college for one year. not all of them, but most of them. them, firstrity of and second round choices -- >> it is crazy. the nba is getting younger. they need to change the rule, but that is another point. here is the other issue for me. players, it good have to give them the information that leads them to make the best decision for themselves. they have to trust me. if i wanted to be a team during the season to give up part of your game, to sacrifice, to be there for your teammate more than yourself, to do less so it ends up being more for you and us -- they say, but coach, you have to have my back. i am when to worry about everybody else. you worry about me.
you have to look at the information. if the information leads them to make a decision to go to the pros, you have to be happy for them and their family. it is not what i want, but i will deal with what is left. >> do you deal with that when you are recording? i would prefer you stay for years and get a degree. do not deal me as somebody who wants to come in and take you for a year and support your talent, and do something big for paysd the university who my salary. i want you to get an education. >> i say, will you commit to your family that you will come back and get your degree? and they say, i will. we just started that. i have only been there five years. >> take one. john wall. >> john wall has not, but john wall was just becoming that player. he got a max contract and gave a million dollars to charity right away.
so did demarcus cousins. they learned something from us. i predict that of the guys who went after one year, half of them will begin to come back. random night will finish up. he stayed one year. i tell kids, do not think you are staying one year. if something happens and you are good enough after one, i will support you. i am not going to use you. i want you to use me. i do not want this family to think, i do not need to use children. for everybody i know, everywhere i have been. you use me. that is what we go in with. we do not even talk nba, but they know, if you go there and are good enough, he is not going to hold you back. >> what do you teach them in a year? >> a lot of life skills. servant leadership. do you know how hard that is, teaching servant leadership,
when the young man and the young guys were the center of attention their whole lives? all of a sudden -- >> since they were eight or 10. >> since they could think. a high school on team that they shot every ball. they are coming with me and into years, i am trying to get them to understand, when you make , verybout yourself difficult. very lonely. very hard. when you make life about everyone else, life becomes easy. and that is the game of basketball. when you want it to be all about you, it is difficult and lonely. that won the national title, anthony davis, michael and twolchrist -- one pick in the draft. they took the fourth and fifth most shots on my team.
they understood servant leadership, and they were young. to say you cannot teach that when they are young -- yes, you can. can you make someone feel good, because you are in a kentucky uniform, spending two minutes with a child or a grandmother, somebody from the hills in pikeville that comes in? in two minutes, you just made them for six months. money has wings. , you nevere money really get it. chase excellence. money follows. the first million, put that away. do not worry about buying cars. put it in the bank. leave it there. in seven years, it doubles. if it goes south on you, you can live the rest of your live off what comes out of $2 million. there are a lot of things we try to teach, but it is all speeded up. >> how many accept what you are teaching?
momichael gilchrist's called me and said, he listened to everything you said about the money talk. i have it with all of them. me, becauseotion to they were listening, they were watching. what we found out -- we raise money for haiti, for sandy victims. a million and a half. but they were part of the fundraising. can have an, i impact for other people. is fleetingnd, fame and money has wings. there is more. and they will tell you. what we try to do is teach more than basketball. we are teaching life skills. >> when you say players first, what do you mean? >> every decision i make is based on, is this right for them? i will give an example. when i went to all the players on this team and said, would you
like nba teams to check on you, yes. they get the information, and i tell them, you know i want to coach you. but i also know you have dreams and aspirations. but i also want you to understand, you make this decision for you. during the season, it is all about the team. it is all about brotherhood. it is all about sacrifice. when the season ends, no more games. it is about you. this program is going to be here 50 years from now, whether you make a decision to leave or go. this school, this state -- everything is fine. if you choose to leave or come back, this program will be here. do what is right for you. >> what happened this year to your team? slow start. everybody thought you were going to be a killer. >> we all did. i probably got intoxicated by it. i think i needed to develop
rolls faster than i did. i read the hype and did not want to step in. i needed them to fail fast so i could see what they were and what they were not. but no one has ever attempted to do what we did. start freshman and when a national title, seven freshman and a sophomore? i woke up one day and thought, how am i going to help andrew? the tweets you heard about was me getting with andrew, getting him to watch kate of williams, telling him, play like that. and telling him, create for us. do not shoot any balls. the changed our team. that is on me. i apologize to him and the team. it take so long? i do not have an answer. >> did it take time for freshmen
to bond together? it is simply, no matter how you cut it, a matter of time. you cannot skip steps. there is a process. in different years -- i will give you an example of the process as you are going. i talk in this thing about us playing vanderbilt in 2012. we are the best team in the country. comes inidd gilchrist before the championship game and says, start there is miller in my place. -- darius miller in my place. what are you talking about? it is 30 minutes before the game. he said, you are killing him. he is not playing well. and we cannot get the national title without him. >> he took 17 shots in the game. we are not going to win. michael got in foul trouble, because he was not used to coming off the bench. in that moment, we won the
national title, because darius knew we were all believing in him and rooting for him to do well. from that point on, he played well enough for us to win a national title. that is part of servant leadership. are you willing to step back so someone can step forward? that is the type of things we are trying to teach. >> the five most important things a coach does for the team? >> during the game, there is managing substitutions. i like it when the players of themselves. >> meaning they come over and say -- >> get me out. the second thing is, flow of the game. only played louisville, i had to stop that game at different points. people were like, why is he stopping it? my team was scared to death. you stop the game to stop runs. i think the other thing is, as a head coach, being able to feel,
where is this thing going, and how do i make it go a different way, whether it means playing the zone, those are the most important things. is,biggest thing of all your players throughout have to know you believe. even if you are being hard, they still know you believe. you cannot share lack of effort. you cannot. you cannot share a player who is not focused on breaking down all the players. you cannot cheer a guy who is playing with no intensity, or selfish, or bad body language. that stuff has to be aggressively dealt with. that, they have to know, i believe in you, and we are going to do fine. keep playing. just keep waiting. you have to be there, especially for the kids. they are 18, 19 years old. the best you have
seen, these young men? they have a certain drive beyond the norm. >> that is what i am interested in. skills,inly have larger but their whole subset has larger skills. those that have larger skills is what separates them is the drive, the heart, the well. >> you know where i think it comes from? >> mothers? >> a fear they are not quite good enough. the best players i have coached had this thought -- i am not as good as everybody thinks. and it drives them. i can think of a derrick rose that would be in the gym five hours. either members seeing evidence -- i remember seeing evans sleeping in a chair because he had just got done working out in class was in the morning, and he would leave from there. i see anthony davis or brandon knight, 11:00 at night, back
from recruiting, i pull in my office and look out the window. he is right there. he said, i had a calculus test and could not come over, so i want to come over tonight. that drive, which is a fear i am not good enough, a few that someone is getting better -- if it is channeled the right way, it is not all bad. >> it also can be a fear factor. this, i am -- i want to win so bad. good.ste of victory is so >> those guys, i will tell you what happens. they work so hard, they never surrender. they may lose, but they have invested too much. they will not surrender. theyteam, the first thing had to learn is how to work. when they got that, we could start working on the other stuff. by the end of the year, they
invested so much, they would not lose a game. >> if a kid comes to you and cannot shoot free throws -- >> that is why we lose games. i do not understand it will stop who has a teach a kid good game to be a free throw shooter? >> if they have huge hands, it is really hard. you are shooting like this. really tough. but the normal player, the last thing the nba worries about -- if it is mechanically right, they are fine. i will give you an example. >> an nba team will want to make sure the player has the right mechanics as the ball leaves his hand. >> when they look, they will know he is mechanically ok. it means he has to get into the gym. nba players, if they are mechanically correct -- grady
could not make a free throw, a 15 footer. five years later, not only on all-star -- he never missed. connecticute right -- so what happened to him? .> they get in the gym you know michael was not great at the beginning. neither was larry. neither was magic. >> michael did not make the team as a sophomore in high school. >> he got cut. those guys are driven. larry bird would come out two hours before the game and get the managers to rebound for him. shooting is the last thing. for me -- >> shooting is the last thing? >> if you cannot shoot because of your mechanics, that may affect them. i want to know, is he a good guy? does he make people better? nile -- now, kyl
corker, that is what they do. that is the skill. passing, defense -- you make shots for us. i am talking a normal basketball player that is well-rounded in a lot of ways. thingng is not the first they look out. >> who has the best shot you have ever seen? in the prose or in college. was it ray allen or someone like that? >> ray allen could really shoot. my son loves atlanta. top order can really shoot. really, really shoot. >> father had something to do with that? >> a little bit. jj could really shoot. there are other guys. that can get you in the league. >> it will not make you a superstar.
>> you have to have the other parts of your game. >> given the same quality do you believe you can get as good a result as any other coach around, given the same level of skill of your players, that you can do with those players as good as any other coach in college right now? >> there are plenty of great coaches. ask kevin ollie this year. >> kevin did a great job. i am confident i can get young people together as a team. probably no more confident than other coaches. i would tell you this. if i am doing my job right, i want my team to have more fun than anybody. and i have been there. it is not like life or death for me. if it is life or death, you die all the time.
i am trying again. players first. if i focus on them, my life becomes easier. just learned that willy colley is going to come back. that is like an upset for us. lastf our best players year. hurt in the louisville game. seven foot, athletic. today, he says, i am coming back for my junior year. very unusual for us. am i happy? i am doing back flips. he made that decision and was not influenced by anybody. >> doesn't bother you when people would write, john is a great recruiter. we do not know if he is a great coach. >> i did not hear a lot of it. but it is said. sudden, people say, he knows basketball. he is good. it went in that cycle. even though you had built .rograms in massachusetts
>> here is what they are saying and why that is ok. he has got really good players. look how good his players are. he needs to be a better coach. i have done my job. it is about them. myi want to say, promote players at my expense, i am ok. my life has been good. would i rather them say, he has really good players and he really coaches them together? i would, but none of us can worry about people who have never had a meal with us, have never sat down with us, and who are fans of other programs. all i do is, i do the best job i can for those players, the people i work for, the university, the state i represent. that is who i care about. if someone has been my friend and says, he is not a good guy, i have a problem. short of that, i walk on. >> a pleasure to have you here.
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