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>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." >> president obama arrived in china monday for regional visit.
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leaders have gathered in beijing for the asia-pacific economic cooperation summit. tomorrow, president obama and xi jinping will engage in a series of meetings. the visit will capture the complexities of the relationship, the tensions are rising power confronting an established one, as well as the promise of the world's two largest economies can find common cause on issues like climate change. from china, the president will travel to burma and in australia. joining me is the chief u.s. commentator for "the financial times." his latest piece is called "china is no refuge for obama's woes." "china strikes back" recounts his trip to china with jimmy carter. with me in new york, ching lee is the director of the china center at the brookings
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institution. i am pleased to have them all with me. i begin with you, cheng li. tell me, what is the status of the u.s.-china relationship today? >> uncertainty. there are different directions the relationship can go. it's a critical time. we know china is a paradox of hope and fear, probably more so than any other time in the last 25 years. on the hope side, the leadership is very strong on anti-crunching and wants to adopt an ambitious market reform agenda. they also talk about the rule of law. at the same time, the political control, the control of media, control of intellectuals, has reached a peak. there is a concern about the direction china is going.
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>> tell me where you think the relationship is and where the president is, reflecting on your column, on going to china. >> i was on the white house trip in 2009 where president obama made his first visit, and then of course he was very much at the height of his domestic standing. the democrats controlled both chambers of congress, and obama's global standing, he had just received a nobel prize. the chinese under a different president, hu jintao, a much more low key character, treated him pretty shabbily. he offered him a g-two level of cooperation in terms of the u.s. and china tackling global warming, terrorism, the aftermath of the 2008 financial meltdown, and china really didn't want to hear any of it.
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it didn't want to step up to the plate. they kind of spurned obama and treated him not particularly well given how warm the president's overture was. fast forward to now, exactly six years later, and president obama's domestic standing is at a low point following the midterm elections. the relationship, as you said, is a lot more complicated. china under xi jinping is a lot bolder and a lot more vicious than it was under hu jintao and his predecessors. i think obama goes very much as the weak leader who is on the decline, who's got two years left, but whose party is out of power. xi jinping as the most powerful president since deng xiaoping, probably.
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so, we've got two very different positions for the leaders and much more complex agenda. ji jinping wants to develop what he calls a new great power relationship, and this is something that makes president obama and america in general feel fairly uneasy. i wouldn't be hugely optimistic that president obama's leverage in this context is going to be very big. i'm sure xi jinping will be polite, will roll out the red carpet at the apec summit, but i don't think this is the situation where president obama is going to be successful. >> so much has changed since obama was last there. on the one hand, we have a tremendous shift in the real power relations between the united states and china, but even more of an impediment is china has kind of arrived and does no longer, as deng xiaoping once counsel the chinese to do, to keep their heads down and buy their time.
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there is a bit of an attitude problem in china that shifted dramatically. a lot of the old toolkit that united states normally brings to their in the relationship is not operable anymore. i think really what is missing, despite all of the protestations on both sides, is that that there is much common interest, and we should find a way to get together to win xi jinping's notion of a new power relationship. i don't detect a tremendous amount of willingness to hunker down man-to-man in a congenial way to solve problems. we see much more sort of suspicion about the motives of each. i would have to say that the climate is not terrific for the kind of breakthrough that people are very nostalgic for on both sides, from the days of
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kissinger and nixon, or even jimmy carter, who you'll recall in 1979, engineered the re-recognition of china and the normalization of diplomatic relations. >> i want to point out also that this comes after xi jinping has just seen japanese prime minister abe, vladimir putin, so he's stretching his connections to other power centers. >> in china's mind and xi jinping's mind, the u.s.-china relationship is the most important bilateral relationship of the 21st century. china cannot afford not dealing with that relationship on the right terms. they believe that china reconciled the relationship with russia to try to have the leverage with the united states. china wants japan because it has the backing of the united states, so therefore, the u.s. is the real power that can make a difference in the chinese perspective.
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xi jinping wanted to improve that relationship, a specially seize that opportunity. xi jinping has emerged as a strong leader. he's not anti-u.s. as some people believe. he has a lot of american friends, and also, he has said to the chinese public recently he loves hollywood movies, sports, the nba. his life has been heavily engaged with the bill gates foundation, aids prevention, tobacco control, etc. these really show that he wants to have constructive, friendly relations with the united states. at the same time, there is concern about the u.s. policy of containment against china.
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>> if you believes -- do you think it's him or the army that believes that the united states wants to contain it? >> the u.s. wants to contain china. why does it spread sentiment in china not just with military or with leaders but also with the chinese public? how deep is unclear, but it slightly spread, the sentiment. >> we mentioned earlier that china feels like it has arrived and wants to the recognized as
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an equal with the united states, and it would seem to me that that would give confidence to the relationship. >> one thing, if i may -- often, we don't appreciate that in this year earning china has for global standing and to gain the respect of the world that underlying our relationship with china, indeed all of the western world, is completely different political systems and values. this makes it very difficult for the average american or european in london or oxford to really respect china and the way china wants to be respected. i think we have one point did succeed in sort of putting the different political systems and values to one side and getting on with your common interests. carter had a real lovefest with
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deng xiaoping. now, this might be the bitter progeny of 1989. the political differences in our systems and values continue to mitigate against us really feeling comfortable with each other and affording each other the kind of respect, which i think china historically has worked tremendously hard to attain and for whom it matters a great deal. >> is it possible that the president will say, look, i may not be able to do much domestically, but certainly there is a whole range of foreign policy challenges and opportunities. >> yes, i do think that, but don't forget that the central plank of president obama's foreign policy, perhaps his
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legacy, the thing that he most wants to be his legacy, is the hit it to asia, which secretary of state hillary clinton announced in his first term. the chinese see this as a thinly veiled u.s. strategy of u.s. containment, and xi jinping has been more explicit about seeing it as such. part of president obama's pivot to asia, it's not just shifting military resources to the asia-pacific, but it's also the economic initiative. there is the transpacific trade partnership, which president obama really wants to push ahead with on this asian trip. the tpp has 11 countries in it, but not china. china has not been invited to join the tpp. japan is in it, south korea is in it, and so forth. it's going to be harder with that suspicion that there is a u.s. encirclement going on, even under what perceived to be a weak president, it is going to be hard for the president to say, let's cooperate on isis or
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shoring up the iraqi government or persuading iran to conclude a nuclear deal. >> isn't china continuing to buy iranian oil? >> it is indeed, and it has very different interests in terms of iran and the u.s. does. there is another pivot to asia going on. that's a close relationship between president clinton and xi jinping -- president putin and xi jinping. one of the best-selling books in china right now is called "putin, the great." it is seen as a bit of a hero in china. i think there's a climate for obama to say, let's work together on myanmar -- it's not as propitious as you might hope.
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>> what should the president do? >> the president does end up in china with a limited number of prospects for major cooperation. one paradoxically is north korea because i think the chinese, you don't need to get more than one glass of wine in a chinese friend or diplomat to hear them just the as exasperated with pyongyang as the americans are. i think that's a hopeful area. climate change has been an infinitely retreating horizon of hope. everybody hopes that the u.s. and china will be able to really have a major collaboration. china is doing a good deal on this front, in a patchwork,
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piecemeal way, but washington is so bollocksed that we don't know if that will happen. many states like california are very ambitious and very -- have very ambitious and very active climate change collaborations with china. that's not going to help obama much in beijing. >> what might come out of this? >> i think the economic cooperation will be a major item. you cannot imagine the international economic integration if you exclude china or the united states. therefore, the number one economy and the number two economy have to cooperate together.
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the united states wants china's investment. china has money for infrastructure in the u.s. at the same time, u.s. companies cannot access china. that includes public health, education, green consumption, and particularly the pollution control. united states companies have leverage in this area. therefore, there is tremendous room for cooperation, environmental protection, energy, anti-terrorism. in all of these areas, there is tremendous room for development. obama just announced that the u.s. will offer chinese visitors 10-year and 15-year visas.
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also, beyond the economic front, and our values -- to a certain extent, there is a difference in values, but also the shared values coming universal values of rule block. at a time in china, there was no middle class. even in the 1990's, there was no middle class. now the middle class is changing china in a profound way. >> thank you very much. great to see you. thank you, chang lee. we will be right back. stay with us. tony vidal is here, the founder and ceo of nest. the company is revolutionizing how we use unloved products in our home. google bought nest earlier this year. they paid him $3.2 billion, it was said. he was previously at apple where he led teams that created the ipad and iphone. he has authored more than 300 patents. i'm pleased to have him here. >> welcome. >> it's great to be here. >> give me the sense of where you think nest will go. explain this to me. >> it was born out of the idea really of looking around the home at these products that we've been using for years -- they are really important products like thermostats and smoke alarms and saying, they haven't really been changed since i grew up. why was this? when i was buried -- building a house in lake tahoe and designing it, i wanted to be the greenest, most connected house there was. what was really strange was that
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i could buy these products, but they were more expensive than an iphone or ipod. they had nowhere near the capabilities. i was like, there's something
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wrong. i said, why don't we look at taking the technology we know of in these other connected products like a smartphone, and let's reinvent the products that are so important in our homes? >> what is the end product? >> the first one is a thermostat. it is called the nest learning thermostat. we made it look beautiful, first of all. the reason is, you put it on your wall. why should you have a plastic, gray box that you don't know how to work or use? that was first, make it beautiful. then, because the thermostat controls over 50% of your home energy bill in the u.s., $1200, it should be easy to use so it can help you save money and stay comfortable. it turns itself down when you're not at home, when you are not there, it turns itself down. it learns from you. typically, you had to program thermostats before. you had to say, what time do i wake up, what time do i, home. it was like a 1980's vcr.
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no one did that. no one really programmed their thermostat to save energy. we just learned. as you turn it up or turn it down -- >> it learns from your life experiences. >> exactly. >> where are you going to move into? give me a sense of some of these unloved products that are fertile ground for you. >> the second one was the smoke and co2 detector. it just beeps today. we want to change that. there are all kinds of appliances -- your dishwasher, your dryer, your refrigerator -- those are interesting products. they don't have the idea of how much it costs for energy. when are you home, when are you away? we are working together with different appliance manufacturers to bring that information and connect it into one space so that these products can become intelligent. we can't build everything, but we think all of these things should be connected in a common way in the home so it can be more convenient for you. >> how did your experience at apple serve you in doing this?
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be developed the ipod with others. >> it takes a team. i worked at a company called general magic before apple. i learned really how to do products. it was the mac team minus steve building this iphone very early. at apple, what i really learned was about experience. designing a product experience, not just designing a product, but next year in spirit how you first learn about the -- but how you have an experience. how you first learn about it, the branding, how you on box -- unbox it. there's a ceremony of unboxing now. from there, installing and configuring it. all of those things amount to a product experience. that really was the thing that i sought out.
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>> what was it that steve -- this is not a broad question about steve's genius, but what did he add to that process? >> one was disciplined. making sure we looked at every single element and going, why do we do this, and seeing the cracks between the experience, when you are in retail to when you unboxed it. what were the cracks, and making sure we fill those cracks. sometimes, we would be struggling, the team of us, really smart people, would struggle with a problem for six or seven months, and steve wasn't a part of it. we would come up with three or four options. we would present and the three or four options and say, this is the best of the worst options,
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and he would come in, and really not having details, he would come in with a fifth option that was just break through. we would all sit there, and our jaws would be on the table. >> why didn't i think of this? >> exactly. you went, ok, this is amazing. >> a unique experience. >> absolutely.
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>> when you left apple, did you say, we are going to create a company that's going to make us rich, or did you have other visions? >> i was already retired with my wife and our kids. my wife had also worked for steve for almost a decade. >> what did she do? > she was head of hr. she helped build the big team. we have been working so hard, so we wanted to take time for our kids. we got anxious and wanted to travel the world. as we designed this house in lake tahoe, we were living in all of these houses around the world with our kids, and we said, they have the same problems all over the world. that's where i got the bug. we actually cut the trip short. i was like, i've got to get back. when you have a good idea, we've got a run back now, much to her chagrin. >> what did you do when you left? you were young. you have a family. you have a lot of money. the idea was what when he left apple? to find myself, to take care of my kids? >> it was really about both of us working so intensely, and we have a newborn and a one and a half-year-old. it was a really important moment where we came home, and our son was crying. something had happened that day.
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he ran to his nanny instead of my wife. that was the moment we both looked at each other and said, something's not right. you just went, there are these special times that money can buy -- can't buy back, right, when the kids are small. they are cherished moments. don't squander those. we said, now it's time. steve really respected it. he was wondering when my wife was going to tell him that. he was really beside himself, distraught when she told him. >> did you go in together or separate? > it was separate.
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>> who went first? >> i think i did. he knew. he knew it was coming. we also went in together when we decided we were getting engaged. >> you had to get his approval? [laughter] >> we didn't go that far. i didn't ask for my wife's hand in marriage with her father. we didn't go that far. it was a very interesting moment when we told him. we did it very secretly. >> it sounds like almost a family. >> without a doubt. when we first realized we were pregnant and we told steve, steve literally went and he took as each one-on-one outside and spent an hour or two hours, and we talked about having kids individually. we see the genius. we read all of his books and what have you, but when you actually have those moments where he really cared, and he said, money tell you some of those things that were important to him about raising his kids, it was amazing. >> david kelly had worked with steve. when he found out he had cancer, steve was like all over it. let me give you my experience. let me tell you what you will feel. let me tell you what you should do.
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let me tell you how to avoid all the mistakes i may have avoided. >> we also have a similar thing with one person on the team. i was david kelly. we had a person who is a very good engineer. we said, steve, we have somebody who has cancer. he literally took the time to talk to this person, help them through it, and he said, i'm going to help you get the best doctors. he went to that level. it wasn't just people who were his friends but people inside the company. like you said, like a family. >> to make hard to leave. >> absolutely. not just steve. so many friends there. these things happen. >> you like to use the term conscious home instead of smart home. >> smartphone has been since the era of "the jetsons." i remember being at disney world in 1976, and it was "home of
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tomorrow." you went through it, and it was how you would press a button and you press a button and some food would come out. we heard it again in the 1980's and 1990's about the smart home, and we don't think it's about one-button and automation of everything. it is really about these simple problems you have in life. >> what would be demanded of human beings to interface with these products? >> i really think it should be simpler. >> ease of access? >> ease of access.
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we aren't going to get rid of lightswitches on the wall. people said, you should use your phone for everything. right now, we are accustomed to easy access. if you are two years old or three years old, kids are not going to have smart phones that -- at two-years-old or three-years-old. >> here is what "time magazine" said about you --
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>> exactly. what is it supposed to do? given delivering on that? >> it is really the right question. >> don't keep adding more and more features. that was the genius of steve. continuingly cutting out things, giving it just enough, the perfect feature set. >> we are everyday learning more about how much silicon valley companies know about us, how much they know about everything about our lives. is that good? >> i think if you want convenience -- you have to be able to give information to an entity. if you have an assistant, that assistant knows a lot about you, whether that's a human assistant or computer assistant. to have them help you, you need to give some information. what is really important is that the communication is secure and private and that it is not sold to the highest bidder. we were very clear when we did our acquisition with google about that and what was going to be different about our business model, which was, we sell products.
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we don't sell data. you have to be really worried about the data that goes or where it goes, what is done with it, but we try to be very transparent about what we do and how we do it. trust. >> tell me about the google acquisition. >> it was a long courtship. two and a half years earlier, i was at a ted conference, and sergei brin was there. >> i have a feeling like sebastian is everywhere. >> sebastian is a great guy, a great friend. he has his hands in a lot of things. guy. sergei smart
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saw us and was like, this is wonderful. can we buy you? and he was like, not yet. can we invest? that is where it started. or were subsequent investments into our company, not just google. ultimately, we had money on the table to make the next investment. larry and the team approached us and said, we think now is the time. >> tell me why you would sell. you have real hard-line experience. you have access to money. why do you need google? >> this was about the mission. it wasn't about money in terms of cashing out. >> money not to cash out of money to do if you want to do. some people have great entrepreneurial ideas but they do not have the capital. >> our vision is so large of what we want to do, we need to expand our products and developer partnerships as broadly as possible.
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and then, we had to go across before we did the acquisition, we saw our products being used in 100 countries where they were not canceled. now is 130 countries and growing. then we went to canada and the u k -- the u.k. were still trying to put on new products to it was becoming -- -- we were still trying to put on new products. i hate to wait for the future. today.the future to come when i was talking to larry and about the vision, we were completing each other's sentences. i was like, ok, that was the reason why. we could accelerate the future, bring it in much more rapidly.
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we started this company for a mission, and we wanted to see it. >> what is the mission? >> the mission is to build a conscious home. a conscious home is a home that over time -- over the last hundreds of years, we have only taken care of our homes. is there a way, our homes can talk back to us a little bit. can they give us information so that when before the dishwasher breaks and ruins the floor, can we actually get ahead of that? when i'm using energy much more so than i thought i did because i get the bill at the end of the month and it's opaque about where the money was spent, how can i get better information to make better better decisions? > where is all of this going, do you think, in terms of what is going to happen within the next 20 years? >> the next 20 years -- >> i had a feeling we are just scratching the surface of the power of the tech revolution a our understandings of human genomics.
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>> you have touched on it with genomics. when i look back 10 years ago, 15 years ago, who would have thought that the ipod would grow into the iphone and ipad? when we started, we didn't say, we are going to make a tablet. it just started there. now i'm seeing that in genomics. you see us getting a better understanding of some of the very lowest levels of our biological system. we've been talking about the genome. we've been talking about dna and reading dna. think about that as hardware, like computers in the 1950's. above that, we started putting software on those computers. there is an epigenome above the genome. it's like the software on top of the hardware. pivotal influence each other.
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we almost know nothing about the epigenome. there is so much more to go. digital technology is helping us understand biological systems much more rapidly. 20 years, i have no clue. i wish i had a looking glass to see in the future. >> thank you for coming. back in a moment. stay with us. ♪
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>> matthew van dyck and marshall curry are here. they have collaborated on a new documentary called "point and shoot." it follows matthew fighting alongside libyan rebels against the forces of muammar gaddafi. it opens in cinemas on october 31. here is the trailer for the film. >> i was raised on action movies. all my adventures were virtual. >> matthew. >> i was sort of sheltered and
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spoiled growing up. here i was come in my mid-20's. my mother and grandmother were doing grocery shopping. i had to do something drastic. a crash course. i thought, i'm going to hit every single arab country. i'm filming and photographing. it was incredible. and then libya happened. >> a revolution is spreading across the arab world. >> governments have fallen in tunisia and egypt.
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will libya be next? >> the friends i met and libya were better to me than almost every other one in america. i wanted to be shaping events around me and having an impact, and here was the arab spring challenging everything. >> baltimore resident matthew van dyck is armed and fighting with rebels in libya. >> i spent five and a half months in two different prisons. it absolutely transforms me. >> i had grown out of matthew van dyck. >> everybody tries to create their idealized image of how they want to be seen and who they want to be.
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>> wow. lots to talk about is from the trailer. let's start with a title, "point and shoot." guns or cameras? >> both. matt's story, when he was young, he had a severe case of obsessive-compulsive disorder that was sort of paralyzing and decided that he wanted to go on what he calls a crash course in manhood. >> what does that mean? >> a journey of self-discovery and development, growing up and becoming a man. >> was it a moment in which you said, i've got to go do something that will define me to my own satisfaction? >> i originally intended to work for the u.s. government. i was opposed to the iraq war, so i no longer wanted to work for the government. i went to my family's beach house, thought about it, and then remembered that i saw travel adventure films by an australian filmmaker. i thought, that's what i want to do. quite quickly, i bought a motorcycle and was off. >> at the center of the film is how does somebody like him and
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up becoming who he is? >> it's an extraordinary story. the way we got together was, matt sent me an e-mail and my wife is the producer, told me about the story. >> and he had footage. >> and he had footage, sort of a filmmaker's dream come true. >> did you guys always see the same why, or were their creative differences over what the film should be? >> there were differences, but we worked them out. when matt first approached me, it was clear that i needed to have complete creative control. he agreed with that. nobody ever has an 85-minute film -- never in history documentary films has there been
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a subject of a film who said, yes, this captures everything perfectly. we mixed it up a couple times, but i think it turned out well. >> tell me about how he changed things for you -- a change things for you, the arab spring. >> in my case, it was largely personal reasons. i went to libya. i made good friends there. the arab spring started in egypt and tunisia. when it hit libya, my friends in libya were telling me what was happening, friends or relatives getting killed, and one of them said, why doesn't anybody help us? i realized i couldn't sit on my sofa and let this happen to people i cared about. one of my libyan friends is in the film. he is a hippie.
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he traveled for about 10 years by foot all over the world. he had actually gone from hippie to fighter. >> when were you arrested? >> i was captured on march 13, 2011. i was struck in the head. i have no memory of the capture. i woke up essentially imprison where a man was being tortured above me. i spent nearly six months as a prisoner of war in solitary confinement. >> what was solitary confinement like? just you in a small room, no light? >> my first room was four feet by seven feet with a small circle in the ceiling for life. -- for light. you pace back and forth. you try to sleep that night, but unfortunately, you would sometimes hear people being tortured. you rehearse what you might say during interrogation.
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you pace, sings songs to yourself. one day, prisoners came to my cell during a run. i worry that it was a setup and we were all going to be gunned down. >> tell me what you went through as you get deeper and deeper involved. >> i went through a transformation, for one thing. when i first went, it was largely personal, helping people i cared about, and also partly ideological, but over time, the experience of fighting on the front line, getting a taste of what people in the country were going through, and in our victory, seeing people's faces as they saw freedom for the first time, it completely transformed me. democracy is not a panacea. and plenty of countries, it is common for a country that goes
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through civil war to go through another one. >> what is going to happen? >> libya is going to be fine eventually. i have faith in libya. >> will you be back? >> i have been back twice. >> what little do you want to play in libya's future? >> it is up to them now. i will go back and support them in any way i can. >> what story are you trying to tell it here? >> when i saw his footage for the first time, i was struck by a few things. one was the way the camera was used to craft the story and to craft his own autobiography. it is not just matt. there are shots in the film where you see american soldiers asking that to film them right before they kick a dorian.
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-- door in. >> soldiers who want to look like soldiers. >> soldiers who look like the idealized version of a hollywood soldier. the one that really blew me away, the shots of libyan rebels. you think this selfie culture is a uniquely american thing, but there are these shots of libyan rebels in the middle of battle, spraying machine gun fire, and nec three of them filming them so they can have shots to send to their girlfriends and put up on youtube. that was one of the themes that really amazed me. >> you said an interesting thing. you said everybody wants something to share on facebook. >> right. it's human nature. throughout the history of war, soldiers have kept diaries or had pictures taken. it is especially important in these conflicts, not so much libya because of how quickly their conflict was, but in syria, units take photos and put them online and use them for recruitment and fundraising. >> the interesting thing is if you have a camera and you are
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shooting, when do you shoot with the camera, and when do you shoot with a gun? >> for me, the gun was always primary, the camera was secondary. if i wasn't in combat, i would sometimes shoot with the camera. it really depends. you have a responsibility when you are in a war to do your primary job, which is fighting. >> did you answer any questions about yourself that you needed to answer about manhood or anything else? did you find what you are in search of? >> i think i did. when i first started, i went to morocco and was afraid of leaving my hotel room. four years later, i was fighting in africa civil war. something happened. >> tell me what it was. >> it was personal growth. >> courage. >> courage, self-sufficiency, independence, being able to take care of myself and having to do it under difficult circumstances. learning to deal with stress, learning to deal with some of the most difficult conditions imaginable, and learning to cope in countries that are a little less unsanitary.
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>> one of the things we've talked about is how life doesn't fit into a hollywood movie script a lot of times. the question of how we define manhood, and matt's definition of manhood changed over the course of his travels. when the arab spring happened, it was less about having these motorcycle adventures and putting yourself on the line for -- and more putting yourself on the line for a cause that is really important. the movie asks a lot of questions that it doesn't answer. it ends with me asking matt, you went on this crash course to
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manhood, were you successful? we cut to black. the movie is over. the goal was to get the audience to engage with some many of the questions the film asks --how do we define manhood? > this is a different subject, but do you have any understanding in terms of what it is that is so appealing for people to join isis. >> it's a combination of young man having the urge for adventure seeking, young men being attracted to war, people being dissatisfied with their lives and the countries they are in, and religious zealotry in some cases. in syria, there are quite a few fighters that are actually not radicals, but because these groups are funded and have weapons and ammunition, they asexually fake it so they can fight in a war as opposed -- they essentially fake it so they can fight in a war as opposed to sitting at a checkpoint. over time, they gradually become radicalized. >> this is matthew in the heat of battle. here it is. [gunfire] [shouting]
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♪ >> this is the most filmed war in history. there are cameras everywhere. >> there are guys with cell phone cameras. a cell phone camera in one hand, an ak-47 and the other. these guys, the concept of war is television. -- is what they saw on television. guys standing up with machine guns and spraying ammunition at the enemy. they wanted their picture taken with a fake gun, things they can show their friends and family, people they would like to impress. i felt it, as well. everybody wants something they can share on facebook. everybody tries to create their idealized image of how they want to be seen and who they want to be.
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>> "point and shoot" is the film. was it all you wanted it to be? >> i love it. thanks to matt for shooting at ensuring his life. >> is this everything you were hoping it would be, this film as part of the experience? >> it does a decent job on most points. >> if you were doing it over, what would you like to do?
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>> i would do the film over if i did the experience over. i wouldn't change the experience in any way. even the time in prison was a formative development experience for me that i'm not bitter about. you overthrow a government, you get caught. that is what happens to you. it gave me a lot of time to think and chart out my life. as far as the film, he did a good job. some of the questions he left for the audience to answer, i'm eager to answer. >> which ones? >> why i went back to the front line after escaping prison -- >> the answer is? > i made a commitment. i told him i wouldn't leave libya until libya was free. my mother raised me to keep my
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commitments. i wasn't going to leave as long as there were other prisoners of war being held in the country. >> thank you, marshall. thank you, matt. thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪ ♪
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