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mark: i'm a mark halperin. john: and i'm john heilemann. "with all due respect" both to mother nature and barry manilow -- ♪ looks like we made it john: happy week before the iowa caucuses. a big hawkeye state hello from our new home for the next week. the bloomberg politics "with all due respect" studio at the downtown area. seven days until democrats and republicans kick off election season with the iowa caucuses. we will be following every second of the closing arguments,
the frenzy of campaign events, holes, forums, debates, and media interviews. on the democratic side, front runner hillary clinton saw her lead shrink in recent weeks bernie sanders is sticking with the theme of hope and change and optimism, as seen in his latest and last highway tv commercial. we have it for you here first. take a look. there are those
who say we cannot defeat a corrupt political system and fix everything economy. lift our we need to vision above the obstacles in place and look to the american horizon. to a nation where every child cannot only dream of going to college, but attend one. where quality health care will be a birthright of every citizen. where are good job is not a wish, but a reality. where women receive equal pay and a living wage for all. after aica where
lifetime of labor, there is the time for rest and grandchildren. a nation that offends our people and our values, but no longer carries so much of that burden alone. thatw we can create america if we look into our heart, in that journey begins here in iowa. of a bigt ad is part iowa buy that included the examining garfinkel -- simon and garfunkel
ad we saw last week. mark: another smart ad. they took the emotion from the addedand garfunkel ad and the policy proposals bernie sanders has been pushing that have caught the attention and some would say caught fire with iowa voters. another strong ad. finally, it is optimistic it would've been nice if he smiled at the end but it is optimistic and that is the key to winning elections america, and the clintons know that. john: i think optimistic, and the other word would be
"visionary." there is an implicit critique politics.intonian bernie is a it is ok to dream the it is ok to reach for stars. we don't need to compromise all the time, we don't need to capitulate all the time come we don't want half measures and incrementalism. that is what we have gotten from the clones and gotten in some sense from barack obama. we want more. that is a powerful message for the democratic base. mark: it is coming back at hillary clinton, who effectively saying that bernie sanders is unrealistic and the things he is advocating couldn't happen. he is saying to his supporters that they can happen. these are things popular with the democratic base. the clintons, the ball is in their court to respond to this ad. a very effective at that the sanders campaign is bullish on. hillary clinton has been trying .o solve the berniementum she says she is the realistic
candidate who can get things done in washington. , like the her allies brady campaign to prevent gun violence, continue to good size anders'-- criticize sanders' record on things like back in full. clicking seems to be backing off on what had been a policy of going after sanders on her own. why did she change her approach and hold back from criticizing centers for a couple days and where does that leave her campaign in these final days? john: i have three words for you, mark. nice."st two are "iowa werehird is "surrogates," outsourcing, if you will. these are time-honored tactics where the candidate broadcasts a positive message while the surrogates to the dirty work. we are back to the traditional path. this is a state that likes up, positive, optimistic.
hillary clinton did not want to close on a down note but she is making sure the people who support her are taking to me axe stillng the meat to bernie sanders. mark: if she loses in iowa, it compounds the loss. better to let the surrogates do with the surrogates do, and if she does lose, save the ability to go negative down the road in south carolina, where there is no such thing as south carolina nice. john: right, where there is a bigger appetite for negative politics. the president of the brady campaign to prevent gun violence hit bernie as hard as he could hit him, saying his record on guns was " disgraceful," dangerously in line with the gun lobby. the sanders campaign disputes that. it shows you that although the clintons are playing nice now in front of the cameras, as i said before, they've got plenty other people out there who will be hitting sanders hard.
that is one example today. mark: let me for not the first last time say that the clintons are held to a double standard right now. sanders is going to give, in some ways personally negative, clinton, something he said he wouldn't do, and is not being held by the media at all. john: i agree with that. and i think there's anything wrong with him just noting it is happening good just when you thought there would be no more democratic debates before the iowa caucuses, cnn is holding a last-minute forum at drake university in des moines. bernie sanders, martin o'malley, and hillary clinton will all be speaking in that order. they will take questions from audience members and cnn anchor chris cuomo. what do you expect to see the, and will it matter? mark: bernie sanders did some gotts with voters and
emotional interactions with them. even though they won't be on the stage at the same time, this is the last opportunity that we know of, less something gets again, for a big audience in iowa, though there is a big game that a lot of iowans will be watching. it is a high risk thing for all three of them, and also an opportunity. john: yes, for sure. i want to take this opportunity to point out what a total mess this debate situation has been in the democratic party. it should be a debate, regular old debate. last week before the iowa caucuses, we should have a final democratic debate in iowa. instead, we have this jerryrigged candidate forum. better than nothing, but no reason it shouldn't be a regular debate. the dnc screwed this up start to finish. mark: the question is what the audiences asked, put together by cnn, i understand it. interesting to see how much of a rolet westerners and journalist
-- role the questioners and journalists play confirming this. the stakes are high. it is the last big event. after this, it is all tv ads and campaigning and surrogates. after the break, the race for the republican nomination and the latest drama between front-runners donald trump and ted cruz, with his word from our sponsors.
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>> donald trump is not a conservative because he is extreme on abortion. >> would president trump ban partial-birth abortion?mr. trump : i'm very choice. >> you would not ban it? no, i'm pro-choice in every respect. >> does this sound conservative? mr. trump: i am pro-choice in every respect. i am pro-choice in every respect. mark: today, in what appeared to be something of a response to that cruz team attack, donald trump went on the web with this video. thetrump: the establishment, the media and what the donors, they are all against me.
i'm so funding my campaign. anybodyowe anything. they are really trying to stop me. everybody knows it, everybody sees it. we're going to win it for the people, when it for our country. trump did an interview with cnn today, part of which aired this afternoon. he called cruz a
nasty guy and a whack job. getserception is that cruz the worst of the back-and-forth with donald trump. does he fare any better in this exchange? john: i think he handled it relatively well but i wish we could tv it from what we have ted cruzfew days, but on his back foot, donald trump ruz on front foot, c defense, not where he wants to be. mark: if this is super pac ad does not break through, if iowa voters don't look differently
will get him.ad it is well produced. we will see if it works. but with the back-and-forth between the two candidates, trump is still doing pretty well. is strongink the ad but i continue to ask -- there is a reason we call him the teflon don. a lot of the information is not new information. theay be new to voters, but things about ideological consistency, i don't think those will put a dent in donald trump. mark: the other thing is that cruz got rick perry's endorsement today. that is a big deal, a lot of media for that. john: important in iowa, where rick perry had a little bit of a following and it could matter. their grubby,
tenderloin thumbs on the scales anyway? yes, they have. i will governor kerry b -- iowa says he terry brandstad does not have the temperament to be president. appearedor joni ernst with marco rubio in des moines. i don't think any castration took place. why are these influential iowa republicans making these non-endorsement endorsements? mark: they all say they don't want to endorse because that could interfere with people participating and candidates coming to iowa, but all of them want to put their thumb on the scale. there is a question about whether voters can tell the difference between a non-endorsement endorsement and an endorsement. i've no idea whether they can or not. i do know that joni ernst has been close to marco rubio for a
while, and charles grassley and the governor would like to see trump beat cruz in the end. john: i think, look, a nonendorsement endorsement could be as good as an endorsement if it brought with it fundraising, if it brought with it going around the state and doing a number of events, crowd building, get out the vote efforts. onet is just one event, week out from the caucuses, or one of news media comment or something, taking a shot at a candidate, i don't think those things matter very much, because they don't stick. you can imagine a situation where the nonendorsement endorsement matters a lot but i'm not sure this is it. mark: i think at least one of them does, but i won't say which. this weekend, "the new york times" reported that michael bloomberg am a former new york , is weighing a bid for the white house this year. he is considering a run if donald trump or ted cruz get the
republican omniscient and bernie sanders wins the democratic contest. of course, is to bloomberg is our boss, he owns the company we work for, but the editorial positions here are controlled by our editors. by whicha scenario there is a realistic path for michael bloomberg to run for president and win? john: well, i think there is a realistic scenario but i don't think it is very likely. you and i have both covered my withberg's dalliances running for president on two successive cycles already. 2008 and 2012. the one thing i learned about it is he is a rationalist, he would only run if you could win. you can imagine a scenario if donald trump and ted cruz or bernie sanders were the nominees. i think even if you crunch the numbers, there is some chance you would come to the conclusion that it is not very likely, impossible to win, and probably in the end mayor bloomberg will end up not in this race.
mark: very difficult for any independent to get 270 electoral votes. he has made clear he will only run if he can win. he is not interested in affecting the great or being a spoiler in any way. he wants a good chance to be president and there is a possibility with certain configurations the could happen. he set the deadline for march could it is possible we won't know who the nominees would be then and the clock might run out for him. it will take quite a constellation -- the stars and moons aligning -- for this to be a reality and i think those things are unlikely. not impossible. john: hard to imagine a scenario bernie we know sanders will be the democratic nominee by march. when we come back, philip rucker and kathie obradovich.
john: joining us now are phil rucker, correspondent for "the washington post," and cap you brad lidge of -- kathie obradovich of "the des moines register." want to talk about the democratic race, leading to phil's at a store, but give us a sense of where things stand between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. kathie: i don't think it could possibly be any closer. apartre couple points and people are still making up their minds. everything is going to matter. do endorsements matter?
usually they don't, but this town hall tonight, no one can afford to make a step out of line. john: you don't dispute the notion, though, that there is a large and easy as some gap between the sanders -- enthusiasm gap between the sanders forces and clinton forces? which may not be decisive, but there is a gap. weatherif we have bad and some people think, oh, well, i don't need to go -- but in a close race everybody gets enthusiastic and everybody thinks that their vote matters. john: phil, you have a piece today with your colleague -- philip: john wagner. john: you have so many colleagues over there that i forget who is who. wagner did the interview and you helped him write it up. it was striking, he was negative. talkrs said he wanted to
about certain policy. he is now as negative as hillary clinton is. philip: he has become a more traditionally combative candidate. he sees a chance to win and he sees the candidates coming his way from hillary clinton and he wants to fight back but he is initiating some of his own. he went after her speaking fees from goldman sachs and he told the john and interview that he thinks clinton is running a desperate campaign and there no sign of any enthusiasm or energy for her. that is not true. i was at her rally last night and there was a very big crowd. john: used the word desperation at me a week ago and it has popped up again. i want to go to my friend mark halperin to take the interview in his own direction. mark, where are you? looking at then schedules of secretary clinton, senator sanders, the kinds of talking to, what is a tell you about the demography or geography in the
last week? kathie: well, i think hillary clinton is making a hard pitch to younger women. i think we are seeing that with some of the groups she is meeting with and talking to, which is interesting. young women are not necessarily really heavy voters. they are not reliable in getting their.ying to push i think what bernie sanders is doing and needs to do is make sure that people see him around the state, not just in college towns. we got him, for example, on the east coast of iowa, and clinton in places like that. that is important. you can't afford to run the board in a college town. you have to have support statewide. hil, as you talk to people i deal with people in both candidates, i wonder if you are sensing anything in the body language. are the equally relaxed completely confident, equally upset? how would you compare the mood of the campaigns at this point? philip: they do seem equally
confident. they both have pretty strong ground games. i think they are hoping for that. certainly the clinton campaign is concerned about the surge from sanders and they are getting aggressive in how they fight back against him and we will have to see how these ground games work. mark: john? john: guys, problems with our being in 2 separate cities. talk to me about trump-cruz. kathie: we talked about whether iowa politicians are putting their thumb on the scale, and i think terry branstad put his elbow on the scale also. john: that is not an image i wish to contemplate. kathie: the question i have is will republicans be able to come back together after this?this is not just a thumb in the eye of ted cruz
but the evangelicals and the christian right supporting him. the bad feeling doesn't go away when the caucuses go away. this might be a lingering issue here in iowa politics. john: this i keep asking about -- elbow on the scale, some in the eye -- thumb in the eye. kathie: political twister. john: we know that trump and cruz, very clear they are the top-tier for a long time. do you imagine there is a surprise in the bronze medal race? review is kind of established, according to the polling, as the third-place guy, but i keep thinking one of these other guys might surprise us. philip: rubio just got "the des moines register" endorsement over the weekend and has got big crowds. for see a chance to contend a solid third-place and distance himself from the other establishment candidates to chris christie will be working this state hard. there is a debate on thursday.
maybe jeb bush will have a good night and a little bit of energy, too. john: do you think -- if you look at the others, bush, kasich , really not in play at all, but let's say bush and christie. who might be the breakthrough of those two? kathie: if chris christie breaks through it will surprise people and you get the beating expectation factor as well. it which mainstream candidate is going to beat jeb bush? it has sort of been bush and everybody else and right now it looks like rubio is the guy who can beat jeb bush. kasey kahne christie hefner made little more of an effort to christie is the 1 -- john: i hate at this moment after we just arrived in iowa to think about anything beyond the caucuses, but i will in this one instance, phil, ask you this
question. traditionally in church is not care about what happens in iowa -- traditionally new hampshire does not care about what happens in iowa. if marco rubio finishes third in iowa welcome does that turn into anything in new hampshire? philip: it might. if there is one person to look for in a new hampshire, it is john kasich. he may be a surprise. john: philip rucker, kathie obradovich -- i love saying that -- thank you so much could you will be back again this week. coming up, establishment candidates in the new hampshire. don't forget, if you're watching us in washington, d.c., you can listen to us, to. ♪
they was the second episode of our new show on showtime the circus. show is on every sunday at 8:00. it was called the prisoner's dilemma about the challenge facing the establishment republicans in new hampshire. this features chris christie, marco rubio, john kasich and jeb bush. >> a granite state hello to all of you. what have you learned that you did not know before? >> why are you not going at trump?
chris christie: i'm getting political advice from donny deutsch. they're working out engaging with donny deutsch is a murder suicide pact. john: does that feel risky? is it do or die? i think theie: whole thing is risky. rubio seems to put no exit any basket. what decision you make, the whole enterprise is inherently risky. you have to make the best strategic decisions you can make and then go for it. john: you spent a lot of time in 2014 getting pummeled. you went from being a potential front runner to being a late-night comedy joke.
christie: i think the going through that has made me a better candidate. once i get through that, i got a nice for really good friend. you are now the most dangerous kind of guy in politics. you had a near-death experience but you didn't die. in washington they don't talk to each other anymore. i am happy to be here. you worked already this morning? i got some goats in the new jersey legislature i can give you. >> he knows the clock is running down and time is running out. christie: i am in the game
peoples told me that they were talking about the boots. a big heel on them. that's what came with the boot. john kasich: i thought they were going well even before you people started to pay attention to me. we are doing very well in new hampshire. mark: i do not know of his penchant for horrible jokes. john kasich: you're making beer here? it will keep you hopping.
this comparative stuff. said you areer calm and you have fun and if somebody asks you a question and you don't know you tell them you don't know. what separates you from others? you just said it. mark: it is a bit of a prisoner's dilemma because each of you thinks that one of the four should be the nominee. john weaver: candidates and
their teams don't think that way. you are in it to win it. jeb bush: you are all over the place. i like polls that show moving up. our timing is perfect. i have to get a hug from you. [applause] >> it just reinforces a good feeling about democracy. ultimately good public servants. bush: that wasn't a
question, that was a love affair. >> we are to join up with a woman who donated money and was picked as the contest winner to have dinner with jeb bush. jeb bush: you had a contest to? oo? >> i think there will be a surprise winner. we really banking on this man over here. mark: all four of those guys are fighting hard in new hampshire. what kind of third does rubio need to maybe push ahead in new
hampshire? given the contrariness of new hampshire voters, it is not clear to me that any third-place finishes going to help. to cruiserery close trump that would be a big thing. maybe one of the establishment candidates will surprise us here in iowa. mark: if trump ends up close to 40% in new hampshire, i don't know if it is mathematically impossible for any of the four establishment guys to surge enough to have a good showing. i did well enough here to go to south carolina with momentum.
we're showing you apart to about the clinton campaign. hillary clinton: the people and i will to make the first choice. the entire country, the entire world, is watching to see what happens right here in iowa are. how do people here have ready made a phone call or knocked on the door? i want to invite everyone else to come join with us. thank you. we want more people to be able to raise their hands before february 1. >> my name is brenton i'm calling with the hillary clinton campaign.
>> i'm making phone calls making sure that everyone who has said they are coming to the caucus will be there. last weekend i called more than 220 people in two hours. i was out walking for six hours. weekend this month we have knocked on more doors than the weekend before. despite subzero temperatures. oahu toved from un des moines to participate in the
caucuses. diagnosed with autism. as first lady she helped design the program that my son is on. there are a lot of busy people out there. it is a matter of getting them to take the time. >> there people who are gun shy about, i don't want other people to know who i support. >> is disappointing that only 10% of the people get out to the caucuses. hillary clinton: some of you are already committed to caucus for me. some of you are on the fence i hope we can move you over.
some of you are still trying to make up your mind. i hope that i can earn your support. >> at the beginning everybody was undecided. now a lot of people are decided. be the precinct captain which means i will be running the show for hillary supporters in my neighborhood. opened and doors making sure that we are visible in the corners of the library wherever whereat. making sure they know where the hillary clinton supporters are. >> to help bring more people over to hillary. we are thinking there may be some undecideds. it is possible that the o'malley supporters may not be viable and we are going to try to convince them to come with hillary. we have been working methodically since april to earn every vote. in every corner of the county in every corner of the state.
we think we will see some great results on for very first. hillary clinton: i can't do any of this alone. i need you. calls you making phone and knocking on doors. i need you caucus and on february 1. and then i need you to help me win iowa in november and go into the white house as your partner. thank you all so very much. [applause] john: our thanks to the great griffin hammond. we will be right back with a special message from doll davos. ♪
leaders from around the world were the world economic forum. she pose questions about the 2016 presidential race. stephanie: what is the biggest factor out there in your world affecting the election? michael: confidence of consumers. we have a healing are largely healed consumer. we want them to engage back in the economy, housing, spending. companies really willing to invest. invest in research and development. stephen: education should be number one.
that applies to income inequality which we have a lot of in the united states. and thenology world ability of labor throughout the world has changed the whole relationship. they have got to talk about how we revolutionize the education system so people can move up the ladder and stop the income inequality. what i care about maybe different from what the voters care about. theal problem in terms of inability of people who start off life poor to do better. has gone down in the united states. we have to think about creating a country again were every single person has the chance to be the world bank president. has the chance to be president of the united states. we need to get people who are running to talk about the fundamental economics of this country. our system is being choked to
death by an explosive regulatory system. the candidates are not talking about a lot today. we should look at tax policy and really make sure that tax policy is set up to encourage investment in the united states. right now it is set up to encourage investment abroad. because tax rates are lower d.oad we should get the federal reserve out. causedink the fed has some of the overreach in the bubble in assets that we are looking at here. the sooner they get out of the management of the economy the better we are going to be.
he got the des moines register endorsement. to be thebest poised establishment alternative if he can perform in new hampshire. john: rubio is one of the winners. all of those new hampshire establishment republicans are winners. because the patriots lost yesterday. sunday newwl hampshire will not be fixated on the super bowl, it will be fixated on politics. those establishment republicans will get all the attention they need. for ine you looking iowa? which candidate connection to get hot and tries the same message every day on the stump? john: i want to see hillary clinton.
much of the question for her is her ground game. kennett match sanders enthusiasm? have dated plus the master of the ground game. live from san francisco. we are on twice a day. if you're watching in washington, you can also listen on the radio. fm. mark: all week will be in iowa covering the caucuses. thanks for watching. keep watching us. sayonara. ♪
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