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♪ tok: with all due respect senator rand paul, now that you dropped out of the race, you are sort of an off-the-rand. ♪ mark: hello from our granite state studios at the radisson hotel in manchester, with just a week to go before the new hampshire primary. presidential races in both parties erupted into an epic war of words on twitter and the campaign trail today. on the democratic side, bernie sanders blasted hillary clinton in a series of tweets, challenging her progressive credentials more forcefully than
he ever has in this campaign. we will get to that later. on the republican side, over the last 24 hours the explosion has involved people going after ted cruz, sarah palin, ben carson, marco rubio, and donald trump have ganged up on cruz over allegations that his campaign used deceitful tactics leading up to the iowa caucuses. not surprisingly, some of the harshest rhetoric came from donald trump's twitter account, where he charged, quote, ted cruz did not win iowa, he illegally stole it. he later deleted that tweet, but put out a similar one without using the word illegally. ted cruz struck back. senator cruz: i think they are very funny. i wake up every day and laugh at the latest thing donald trump has tweeted, because he's losing it. we need a commander in chief, not a twitterer in chief. we need someone with judgment and the temperament to keep this country safe.
i don't know anyone who would be comfortable with someone who behaves this way having his finger on the button. likelyohn, what is the fallout between this back-and-forth between the first and second place iowa finishers? john: it looks like ted cruz yesterday enjoyed a day in which he basically flew without much interference. that is no longer going to be with us. it looks like donald trump is honing in his sights on ted cruz. i imagine he's going to resume the pummeling. we will see how well ted cruz withstands it. i was struck, i will say, by the fact that ted cruz was insinuating that donald trump is losing his mind. mark: after trump accused cruz of stealing iowa. not just based on the mailer, but he made other accusations about going after ben carson. suggesting he is dropping out of the race. the four establishment candidates are delighting in this.
trump's numbers, according to the campaigns were doing private polling, they believe trump has come down from the 30's into the 20's. some even have him in the low 20's. that means if they can bring trump down to earth and cruz can help bring him down, that means that someone else could finish a close second or first. john: i will say right now something we cannot say enough, and did not say enough yesterday. people with big leads, whether bernie sanders are donald trump, you can say they have been ahead in new hampshire a lot, this state loves to take people in that position and hurl them to the earth. independent voters who have been waiting to put their thumb on the scale, no lead is safe. donald trump could be in third place on tuesday night. not the likeliest outcome, but it would not surprise me at all. mark: you have got to wonder if trump and cruz are thinking through the strategy that this fits into, because tactically they might think it's a good thing, but strategically i don't know it is in either of these
guys' interest to have this war. -- fight. you have a situation where all four of these candidates, any one of them is still in the zone where they are poised where they could theoretically leap into second place or even first. that's just how crazy this thing can be over these eight days. i think if those two guys beat each other up enough, they could create just enough room for one or more of the establishment guys to rise up. mark: it does not take a great memory to remember the days that cruz and trump said they were friends. and where cruz said he'd not go after anybody personally. thinking some crazy, a little personal. john: he is losing it. republican establishment candidates, rubio, are worried that young marco is writing a - riding a wave. no surprise, today they started attempting, as they did yesterday, to knock him off his surfboard. bush'sjeb bushes -- jeb
campaign ran a full ad in the "new hampshire union leader" featuring an open leader from past republican senators of the florida house who had chosen not to endorse their fellow former sunshine state house speaker , that's marco rubio, and who are instead backing jeb. and a day after chris christie uncorked his bubble boy broadside against rubio, the new jersey governor was at it today at a town meeting in bowe, where he attacked rubio and cruz by calling them first-term u.s. senators, which is both true and a euphemism for totally useless. mark, my question is, can marco rubio's momentum, which is kind of almost the big mo at this moment, can it be stopped? mark: rubio has more momentum than any of the other establishment candidates. all of those campaigns are worried about whether they can stop it, because we are not far from the primary, he clearly has momentum. they're doing a combination of hoping that it dissipates, and thinking they can bring him down, christie being most aggressive with his classically memorable boy in the bubble
yesterday. there is some advertising going up against him. but rubio proved in iowa when he was pummeled that he can float above it, and i think there's some possibility that there's nothing they can do to stop him from being the strongest establishment finish. >> i thought rubio, his response was pitch perfect. he basically said, chris had a bad day yesterday. let's move along. very composed. did not lose it at all. just let those guys yell at me, whatever. i'm on the rise. i thought there was a lot of composure there, and that is something we questioned about rubio. we know he is a good communicator when he is scripted. when he -- when he, under pressure, buckle? so far, we have not seen him buckle even a bit. >> rubio is the one of the four establishment who is not a governor. he is sort of the other brand. the other three guys are governors, and all of them make the case of executive experience. rubio is making the case of new generation, foreign policy expertise.
i believe at this point, all four of them could be the top establishment finisher, but you have to say that big mo matters more than all of these other factors. including the fact that bush, kasich, and christie have spent more time on the ground here. but rubio proved in iowa that you don't need organization if you are doing it rubio style. john: it's a new word of campaigning in which donald trump campaigns in a totally different way in iowa and new hampshire. rubio is in some ways trumping that. not really worrying about ground game. as you say, all three of those guys, bush, kasich, and christie, have spent a lot of time here. i think one of them could climb up into rubio's orbit. more likely, you end up with two establishment candidates rather than them knocking rubio off the perch. mark: rubio may have a three-to-one strategy, maybe 3-3, because cruz could be on schedule. 48 hours later, the iowa caucuses have claimed the lives of four presidential campaigns.
martin o'malley got out. on the republican side, mike huckabee got out, and today two more, rand paul announced he is suspending. and today it appears that rick santorum is joining that club. not a big surprise, the presidential field often winnows down after the iowa caucus. what effect will these dropouts have? john: rand paul is obviously the most significant. on the democratic side, the now missing o'malley will obviously change the nature of the back-and-forth -- mark: we have three straight nights of joint appearances between the two of them. john: and that's a big deal. and a change the dynamics of the race. mark: and the dynamics of this agreement. a forum, a debate, and a deadly party dinner. john: the rand vote is a real thing. there is the libertarian vote out there, and for a candidate like ted cruz, that makes actual votes available, especially in new hampshire, where there is a strong libertarian streak. those votes are now free.
cruz can capitalize on that if he is smart. mark: externalities situation that cruz has seen from the beginning. normally what happens, there is a crowded social conservative lane, and those people cancel each other out. now you have a crowded establishment lane. ted cruz is able to say, does not have to compete with huckabee, does not have to compete with paul for that libertarian wing, does not have to compete with santorum, and carson is highly diminished. we could go into south carolina one of any significance in the social conservative lane, except for ted cruz. it is still a crowded establishment lane. john: that's a big advantage for cruz. it always struck me as a little odd that someone could compete in both the social conservative and libertarian lane. it's usually not compatible completely. somehow, cruz managed to pull that off, sort of. it will be tested here. i'm not sure some of those rand paul voters -- mark: some will vote for trump, some will vote for bernie
sanders, but it is good for ted cruz. it allows him to have a better chance than before. i think he gets second. john: there's no doubt about it. when we come back, clinton classic, and how bernie sanders 's new secret service protection just might change his campaign. and later, brian fallon from team clinton will be here on this set with these cohosts. we will be right back after this. ♪
bernie sanders has long held a healthy lead in the polls, instead of focusing their shift to the states were clinton is stronger, like nevada and south carolina. that decision is a triumph for one key clinton advisor, her bill, whose presence on the campaign trail has been felt. yesterday in nashua, andrea mitchell asked 42 about similarities between bernie sanders' campaign and barack obama's campaign in 2008. and perhaps, not surprisingly, the big dog barked. >> are you worried this could be a repeat of history the way obama upset her? president clinton: it's very different. there was almost no difference between them on the issues. there are dramatic differences here. >> you don't think bernie sanders is barack obama? president clinton's -- present -- president clinton: no. i don't. barack obama is not bernie sanders.
she and president obama had enormous overlap on what they wanted to do and how they wanted to do it. and there are big differences in their positions on the issues. and now we are free to talk about this. john: bubba is in columbia, south carolina today. there's no doubt he will play a big role in the closing days of the new hampshire primary. mark, what about time in memorial questions, always with bill clinton, that big role -- mark: there ain't nothing more clinton classic and andrea mitchell on a rope line chucking it to bill clinton. you don't need to be the biggest clintonologist to see what is going on there. he obviously wants to frame this fight, he believes hillary clinton has a chance to do well enough here to not suffer a big defeat in new hampshire, whether she closes the gap completely or not. if i were a clinton person watching that, i would be concerned he's headed in the direction which might be
successful, but might, as happened in 2008, backfire. john: it really did backfire. they are lucky in this case that they have an opponent whose wife, let's say it -- no clinton can trash bernie sanders without getting accused of racism like he was often in 2008. that was a bill clinton where a lot was going on there. calculation, irritation, provocation, tactical, strategic, meta -- he is a free radical in this campaign, and he can be an extraordinarily brilliant surrogate. he can also cause a lot of trouble. mark: the clintons are correct when they say they are held to a tougher standard by the media, and bernie sanders does things all the time that if hillary clinton did them, she would be savaged. they are absolutely correct. but they are not going to change that between now and tuesday. john: also, he is a former president of the united states. it's the way the world is. up is down. black is white. mark: hillary clinton is also
making news. she fired back today at a suggestion by senator sanders that she is only a progressive quote, some days. here is how she responded at a town hall in nashville. a littleon: i was disappointed, to be honest, yesterday. it was kind of a low blow when senator sanders said in response to a question, well, maybe she's a progressive on some days. so i hope we keep it on the issues, because if it's about our records, i'm going to win by a landslide. [applause] mark: the battle between the two democratic candidates did not and there. this afternoon, sanders went on twitter saying, quote, most progressives i know don't raise millions of dollars from wall street, and most progressives i know were opposed to the keystone pipeline from day one.
he had a running theme here, without using her name, that she is not a progressive. john, what about this breakout after a day of calm yesterday? john: bernie sanders is waging a very important fight here. it's not just that there are substantive differences. there are differences of ideology. bernie sanders recognizes the democratic party of this century is not the democratic party of the 1990's. they can argue about what progressive means all day long. bernie sanders would say he's a liberal. hillary clinton will never publicly say that she is a liberal, and liberal is what the democratic party is now. mark: i think part of her messaging problem is she has taken lots of his positions, and just as liberal on health care, etc. then she says he is not electable because he's too liberal. there is a dissonance there that i think works to sanders' advantage. those tweets, you've got to say, it shows that bernie sanders is ready to fight. the gestation period for the campaign is 9 months. john: he is a fully formed
candidate. mark: he is, and it's going to be fascinating in their one-on-one contest over the next three nights here to see if he is in this game not tentative the way she will be. john: i will go further. the things that people want to attack him for for being a socialist, all he has to do is say, what are the policies you want to call socialist, 80% of the party agrees with me on. mark: we are going over the bell a lot because we are super excited. john: we are. today, bernie sanders became the fourth presidential candidate in the field to receive secret service protection. being afforded protection by the service is a mixed blessing. on one hand, it means you are a serious candidate, but it also imposes constraints that can be annoying, especially for an insurgent and notably cranky candidate like bernie sanders. for every candidate, though, it will certainly be an adjustment. mark, my question for you, knowing bernie sanders as you do, how do you think he will handle his new secret service-ized lifestyle? mark: i think he will adjust to
it, but i can't remember the last time a democratic socialist had secret service protection. [laughter] mark: his whole way of operating, freewheeling. not just on the campaign trail, but going back to your hotel room at night, going to the supermarket when you are back home -- he will have a big adjustment. but i don't think it will hurt in terms of symbolism. and i will tell you this, it helps with crowd control at times. we followed sanders around for our show on showtime. sanders is like -- after a while of cameras being too close to him, he's like, get these guys out of here. the service will be up in his kitchen all the time, and for a candidate like bernie, there's a temperament issue. try to get him to smile more often, the service and proximity to him will make it harder to bring out the softer, smilier side because you will be cranky, because they will be on him all the time.
mark: on the other side, he's not a wealthy man. he is going to appreciate how professional they are. here's the other implication -- the sanders campaign normally puts out their schedule later than anybody else. they will have to make decisions about where he is going much earlier because the service will not stand for last-minute scheduling. up next, today's breakfast chat with john kasich. his thoughts about the final days before the election, and is very big bet on the chronic state -- on the granite state, after this word from our sponsors. ♪
kasich said he is confident of closing the deal with candidate -- with granite state voters. governor kasich: i can tell you for us, if we don't do well, we are not going to be tracking around like this band of minstrels begging people to come to our shows. we will make a hard choice. i think we will do well, but we are not going to drag this out. i'm the governor of ohio. i have run a campaign where we have lifted the bar. there are people who come to our town halls who leave and say, i'm hopeful. i wasn't hopeful coming in. i am more hopeful about our country. i am proud of what we have been able to do, but i've said all along, if we get smoked here, i'm going home, never to see you all again. i hope. [laughter] onlynor kasich: we have five days to go. i'm not changing anything. no hail mary passes, no manic behavior. i'm having a ball.
500 volunteers in new hampshire -- you know why? because they sense a movement. they sense that there is something different here, there is something more hopeful here, something more idealistic here. you know, people want to attach themselves to something bigger than themselves. it's not that i am that great a guy, it's just that there is a sense -- why are sanders people looking at me? why are the college students looking at me? because they sense there is something bigger here, something they can believe in. contrary to what people think, i think hillary will be a strong candidate, and if our party underestimates her, they are making a terrible mistake. the fact of the matter is, i am a conservative. somehow people want to put out this notion because i care about -- my tone is good, because i care about the mentally ill, the drug addicted, the working poor and members of the minority community, that somehow this disqualifies me as a conservative, i will come to what you ask.
if a conservative republican party does not care about people who live in the shadows, we will fail. john: joining us now to talk about this morning is none other than the "bloomberg view" columnist and friend of the host of the show, albert hunt junior. guest: great to be here. john: john kasich -- things got a little testy, a little tense. there was a little back-and-forth at the practice this morning. how do you think he did? guest: i thought he did well. i'm not sure that he thinks that. but i think the exchange is helping a bit. it shows, yeah, he can be a testy guy. he showed that today, but he was pretty candid about who he is. we tried to get him to criticize rubio. didn't quite go there, although there were several references to people who have dark messages. i think john kasich -- i'm not sure what will happen. but if you look at those
independent-minded new hampshire voters, he fits the profile pretty well. mark: if he does not do well, do you think he will have felt that he got to be himself and present himself to the voters and they were not in the mood for him, or has he fallen short of how he wanted to come across? al: it's more of the former. he has pretty much been himself. mark: and had his chance. guest: yeah. this is only for policy wonks, but what has the republican party talked about for the last 4, 5 years? budget deficits, and how they will wreck america. he's the only candidate who has put out a tax cut proposal and a balanced budget proposal. i don't think it will all add up, but it is serious. none of the others have done it. christie has talked about what he would do. but the numbers actually add up. john: kasich has grasped a fundamental truth, in which grievance and anger has been on the rise, he just went the other way.
i will be optimistic and sunny, and let the chips fall where they may. if the party is up for that, they will come around. if not, they just are right for me. al: when you were just a kid, i was covering ronald reagan. the thing that was remarkable about ronald reagan, he was very conservative. he was can-do. can-do is what ronald reagan was all about, and that is what john kasich is talking about. john: all right, thank you to al hunt and john kasich. up next, brian fallon right here at this table. don't forget, if you are watching us in washington, you can listen to us on bloomberg 99.1 fm. we will be right back with brian fallon. it will be great. ♪
is tuesday, but we are already looking beyond that to look at something that's quite interesting. look at what is coming up on the political calendars both parties and why doing well here is so important. starting with the democrats, big if, but let's say for the sake of argument that hillary clinton loses here in the new hampshire primary on tuesday. that means she will have to wait a long time before she gets another chance to have a victory and turn the page. there's a democratic debate two days after this primary primary. that would be on thursday. you have to wait all the way to the 20th for the next democratic contest in nevada. that is a long time. if hillary clinton does poorly here, or if bernie sanders loses, whoever loses, we will to wait a long time to get a w on the board. what does that mean? john: if sanders were to lose here, and he has been expected to win first along, it is going to be hard for him to ever get
the nominee. but hillary clinton, you keep hearing from her people, we are strong in nevada and south carolina. that overlooks this. look at the calendar again. you have new hampshire on the ninth and a debate on the 11th. the debate will get a lot of attention. mark: but there are still nine days. john: nine days until you get to the oasis, a race that hillary clinton is confident she can win. that's nine days where bernie , if he wins here, is just going to be on a roll. fundraising, positive media attention, all that stuff for nine more days. mark: that is a big part of the reason why clinton's camp doesn't think she can actually win. if she gets blown out here, those nine days, and the 11 days from new hampshire through nevada will be an eternity. every day bernie sanders will be raising money and getting attention. it will be a horrible stretch for her. again, there is a big difference in losing it by seven or losing it by 17. think theysay, i
have not fully -- the real firewall for her, the nevada caucuses will never get as much attention as a big primary. the system is a little bit weird. she might put a w on the board, though she lost in delegates to obama in 2008, but she will probably do well there. the south carolina primary is a full 18 days after the new hampshire primary. to fully make up for a big loss here, she will have to wait 18 days to get to south carolina. that is a long time. mark: put up the republican schedule, i want to say one thing about that. you see the democrat thing on the the south carolina 20th. republican primary is also on the 20th, but that will get way more attention. it's not a no basis for her. she's got to keep this closer. she will wait a long time for a meaningful w. john: with the republicans, the
same dynamics are in play. they do have a big debate four days away in greenville, south carolina on the 13th, and then you have of all week. that week right there, everybody is going to be in south carolina. everyone will be focused on that. a lot of republican candidates presumably will still be in that race, so it is the most , more accurately predicted presidents for any other state, including iowa. that will be a down and dirty seven days. mark: the person that interval could be good for is marco rubio. if he finishes strong here, leaves the state as an establishment candidate, presumably he will continue to do well and that interval gives him a chance to raise money and get endorsements. even in this era, south carolina is usually an establishment state. if rubio is the top person here, he can get endorsements and build up in south carolina. for trump, even if he does well here, it's potentially a bad period. john: two things to remember,
take the stage at a town hall for them in derry. joining us now is clinton's national press secretary, brian fallon, not jimmy fallon. one time when i read this, i set a different fallon. brian: i am much funnier. john: there's a lot of back-and-forth between clinton and sanders over progressivism. senator sanders says he is progressive, hillary only some of the time, and and clinton says she is a progressive who gets things done. would hillary clinton call herself a liberal? brian: we have seen democrats rally around the term progressive. john: what is the difference between progressive and liberal? brian: i'm not sure, but i think republicans have tried to turn liberal into a dirty word. progressive is a term that democrats proudly wear. john: because it doesn't mean very much. is secretary clinton a liberal or not? brian: she is a progressive who gets results.
i think you are asking me because you want the rnc to clip this. john: i don't want them to do anything. i'm just clipping you because a liberal,ls himself and i'm curious if secretary clinton would too. brian: well, we like the term progressive. mark: what is something senator sanders is doing that you think should be getting more scrutiny and he should be held more accountable for? brian: i think it's appropriate and fair because we have seen scrutiny on an increase. that's appropriate because he is on pace to win the primary. i was surprised that for so many months, there were so few news organizations that traveled with him regularly. we've had a traveling press corps with us since april. i do think there is a level of scrutiny that comes with having a pack of journalists travel with you.
mark: it's a good point, but is there anything he has said or done in the last week that you think he should be held more accountable or not? brian: i think his health-care plan, he put it out on the eve of the debate, literally two hours before the debate. it is starting to get some scrutiny, but there are a lot of groups that would do worse under his plan. like working seniors, you would not improve your health coverage that much, but you will end up paying more in taxes. there is an independent study they came out a week ago that proves that, and it's true for other populations as well. folks that are fully subsidized exchanges would not gain much under his health care plan. they have pretty good coverage right now under the aca. they would pay 9% more in taxes. mark: but they would not pay any premiums. brian: right now they don't, right now their health care costs are almost fully subsidized. but they would get socked with the tax increase. and that is true for a bunch of
different populations. the reason is because the affordable care act actually did deliver health care for millions of people that didn't have it. senator sanders sort of sidesteps that issue when he touts his bernie-care proposal. mark: you would not deny that new hampshire is a hospitable state, right? brian: it is a neighborly state. that is why they have been so kind to sanders. john: but this is a state that has been pretty good to the clintons. 2008, good to hillary clinton. she came here and did very well here. how is it plausible that we should not consider this an even contest, given the clintons' history in the state, senator sanders and his neighboring state, but you guys like to dismiss his lead, but i would say the clintons have a lot of allies and deep roots here. why should they not be evenly matched?
brand: his lead has been consistent in new hampshire. there was a period after the first democratic debate and the benghazi hearing where you saw hillary clinton jump in front. mark: what other factors besides the fact that vermont borders new hampshire would you attribute simply to that? brian: that is not a small factor. geographically, vermont is next to new hampshire. he is a known quantity here. the vermont media market serves the western half of the state. there are a lot of labor breakfasts. mark: why else is he leading in this state? brian: people have warm feelings about him here. mark: does it have anything to do with his issue positions? brian: maybe it does. i would also say that as is the case in the democratic primary in general, hillary clinton has been the subject of attacks from republicans who have been campaigning in new hampshire for
the last several months. mark: they do that in south carolina and other states, too. brian: it's attacking hillary clinton. like i was just saying, bernie sanders for the past few weeks has not come under the same scrutiny. the negatives on him have not been explored. john: but brian, when you say that bernie sanders is a known quantity, are you trying to suggest that hillary clinton is not a known quantity in new hampshire? brian: over 20 years, there is a lot of goodwill generated by coming over the border, attending a labor breakfast. john: and by winning the primary, a lot of good feelings generated for that too. brian: my point is there is certainly a great deal of affection for hillary clinton, but there are warm feelings for bernie sanders, and he has consistently led. in the final weeks, we should not be surprised if he pulls this out. john: last time in 2008 when she ran and won the new hampshire
112,404 she got votes. should we see that next time? brian: i don't know, i don't have a turnout projection for you. a high turnout is projected, but we will just have to wait and see. mark: who has more momentum, hillary clinton or bernie sanders? brian: i think we have more. mark: how do you see that? brian: i think he really needed to win both of these states to change the fundamental trajectory of the race. i think our win on monday, especially in a high turnout caucus like we had, actually deprives him of a path going forward. it will be hard to see if he could not win in iowa how he is going to win those caucus states in march to the degree he needs to to amass the delegates. mark: is there a difference if she loses the primary by little versus a lot? brian: i will leave that up to you guys to decide. are going towe
mount a competitive fight here over the last seven days. i've seen some of the polls that have us down by 30. i think we have a chance to eat into that margin and have a good showing. mark: may be less than 30. may huge victory. as -- may be huge victory. has has senator sanders become a better debater over the course of the campaign? how do you think the dynamic will be different without martin o'malley on the stage? brian: i think what we will probably see is what has been true out on the trail. he will -- they have a good working relationship from their time in the senate, mutual respect. we don't want to see that eroded. as senator sanders' campaign has started to fare better, i think their eyes are getting big, and they are starting to get into
should be back-and-forth that he said he would not do. this comment yesterday that he made where he suggested that hillary clinton is aggressive some days, it reminded me of that comment he made to you guys , or his campaign leadership made to you guys, that they considered making her vice president. it is a diminishing, the meaning comment. john: but that's a pretty good job, vice president. brian: it speaks of condescension, and i don't think it will wear well if he continues to make it. john: does hillary clinton think it is disqualifying for a socialist to be president? brian: a lot of democrats do. we will see. john: brian fallon, that was an awesome non-answer, but thank you for coming anyway. coming up, we go around the table with our bloomberg politics team. ♪
♪ >> have you made up your mind? >> no. >> not yet. >> i have not made up my mind yet. >> i'm just trying to meet everyone at the moment. >> i'm looking at christie, trump, rubio, christie, and trump. >> every day i change my mind. john: this is my hope springs -- mark: this is my hope springs eternal for all these candidates. these were folks at a chris christie event. typical, a lot of people still making up their minds. here to talk about the races,
both exciting, are crack team of bloomberg reportorial colleagues. thank you all for being here. being undecided in the republican race, the democratic race, people are down to a choice of two. what are you finding interesting as you talk to voters on either side? >> the hillary clinton rally in dover, where her husband gave his famous "where the last dog died" speech. i was wanting her to try out that line. the audience was interesting for a couple of reasons. most of the people i talked to have made up their minds. the younger people in the audience were almost entirely bernie sanders fans, hiding in the back, hoping to get a chance to ask a question. a couple of the voters i talked to said they felt the results would be much tighter than the polls suggest. they thought how close it was in iowa would scare the people who wanted to make a point with bernie into coming around to what they know they must do. i don't know if that is true.
mark: i have been fascinated with clinton and sanders supporters. they are like separate groups. i asked the clinton supporters if any of their friends were bernie supporters. they say they can't find anybody who supports him. >> there's like some weird geographic thing going on. john: there is some weird to -- who has more at stake in this race in new hampshire? hillary clinton or bernie sanders? >> i think hillary clinton has more at stake. she won the last time she was here, and unless she manages to stage an upset, sanders is really expected to win. this is a largely white, sort of progressive state. the voters i have spoken to, especially working-class voters, just adore him. that would be a pretty obvious situation unless hillary manages to come out. and then, it will be up to nevada and south carolina
weather to see if senator sanders manages to gain enough hispanic and african-american voters there. mark: you were here for our that john kasich breakfast, and he seems somewhat confident that it will pay off. >> right, and his theory of the case is that john kasich has not been heard enough. if he can rise in new hampshire, that will give him the attention that he lacked and the springboard to become sort of the alternative to tehran. -- to trump. he's counting on a superior ground game and the support of some of the legends here, like johnson new new, to -- like john sununu, to carry the day. it's unclear if that will be enough, particularly with marco rubio coming out of iowa with so much momentum in that crowded field. will it be enough for john kasich to emerge? john: to stay with you on this, you have covered kasich for a
long time because you have been an ohio reporter. john kasich saying the others are the angels of darkness and i am the angel of light. that's not really the john kasich i've known. have you seen him change much? is the cranky john kasich still below the service -- surface? >> you saw it at the breakfast this morning when he was challenged. i think he has tried to tone it down, and he was wary of that perception that he is an angry guy and whatnot. he wanted to come across more positive, particularly in the last few weeks, that has been his mantra, that he is the positive candidate. he is trying to reinforce the argument he is making that he is the adult in the room and the guy you can can count on to get things done. mark: every night this week they have some event. tonight back-to-back town halls and tomorrow a debate on msnbc. do you get the sense it will all thetents -- intense
way through, or will they go to their neutral corners? >> it could be a lot worse. his digs at her for not being a real progressive are clearly getting under her skin. she is trying to carve out her niche, what is the right spot in which she can be as progressive or as radical as he is, realistically within her resume, and that is a challenge he is facing this week in new hampshire. john: hillary clinton continues to vacillate with how much she wants to carry the banner of being the potential first female president. she is the first woman to win the caucuses. the think we will hear that talk over the next seven days, or will it be muted? >> i think you will hear that talk, because i think when you see the turnout senator sanders got in iowa, he did extremely well with younger voters.
when it is framed to young women in this historical light, i think millennials will really see the kind of identity politics that some younger people look toward. i think that will really energize a lot of young women. thank you very much. you can see they're reporting on bloombergpolitics.com. we will talk about who won the day after this. ♪
trump and cruz fighting is good for rubio, and none of the establishment candidates slowed him down, at least to my eyes. john: i give my winning of the day trophy to barack obama, who visited for the first time in his presidency a mosque. anytime you see a president grow a pair and do something like that, i think it sends a very positive signal of inclusion in this country. we are always on bloomberg politics.com, where we track all the latest news on our campaign tracker, including a great story about the $100 million worth of political ads on granite state airwaves. on "bloombergp west," emily chang speaks to yahoo!'s melissa mayer. more from new hampshire tomorrow. until then, sayonara. ♪
leading producers are to hold emergency talks. opec members and russia and oman are holding meetings. indonesia trading is getting underway. ate is a david with a look the market so far. david: pretty good. those that asia-pacific benchmark. if you leave japan out, the japan's -- gains are looking better. i checked. a good day. volume across the region. is convinced, so far this year, up two days and down three. eight