tv Charlie Rose Bloomberg April 18, 2016 7:00pm-8:01pm EDT
charlie: every presidential candidate was in new york this week and the democrats faced off for a fiery final debate in the brooklyn navy yard. all of this comes days before the crucial tuesday primaries. for more, we turn to major garrett, he has been covering the republican primaries. i am pleased to have him here and we will talk about where we are. new york is crucial? >> new york is important. it will be a place for donald trump to reset.
he will win new york handily, and most of the congressional districts. 27 in new york. if he gets a majority in each of those, he will run the table and get 95 delegates and regain the momentum lost. might pick up a few delegates but he will reframe it as a reset and say he is back on track to winning the nomination outright. 1237ie: can he get to before the convention opens? mr. garrett: he can get it if he wins california heavily. the month of may the crucial for donald trump. i am a little curious why they spent so much time and new york -- in new york. new york is solidly in his column. nebraska, other places that do not lay as well for trump, oregon, washington,
other places where he could spend better time getting ahead of the curve against ted cruz. they will -- may will be a crucial month for ted cruz. charlie: he is spending a lot of time complaining about the party rules. mr. garrett: which is interesting on a couple levels. one thing that donald trump has told the country is that he understands rules, he is incredibly shrewd, and wonderful negotiator, because he figures the stuff out. now he is baffled by rules that are in copperheads of the -- incomprehensible. they are not baffling, they are straightforward. he is just not getting the upper hand. charlie: he is setting the stage to do something else? mr. garrett: he is setting the stage to have a grievance built into the psychological cake on the floor of the republican convention. in that respect, he is being
strategic in his thinking and taking the hit initially that he is a whiner and sore loser. charlie: ted cruz is not doing well in new york and never expected to. how is his national effort going? mr. garrett: his national effort is going as he imagined it would be, except not against two he imagined itwho he would be against. charlie: maybe george bush? mr. garrett: george bush or some republican -- establishment republican. what ted cruz always imagined was the need to pick up delegates, to have operations at the state level across the country. he built that, starting more than a year ago. memorized all of these arcane state party rules and apply them well to get delegates and is reaping the benefit of that. charlie: also reaping the benefit of somebody looking for someone to oppose donald trump?
mr. garrett: not initially him, but they are getting closer to him. charlie: because john kasich cannot put it together? mr. garrett: they believe that kasich would have ought to have put more together by now. i would not rule him out because he is going to stay. the convention is in ohio. if the polling data shows he is the only republican who can be beat hillary, and trump and cruz say, we need to get rid of this guy, than the scrutiny will come. one of the reasons why he is where he is, is that he is the least scrutinized. if he starts getting attacked by trump or cruz, those numbers will diminish as well. charlie: if donald trump had been scrutinized earlier, would it have made a difference? mr. garrett: it may have. i know that there are a good number of republicans who have told themselves that they blew it. othey allow themselves to be
talked into -- or maybe they were so fearful to begin with. they said he is the summer phenomena, he is not really serious. what of the central insights that donald trump brought to this campaign is that he knew how serious he was, and he calculated those against him would not understand. charlie: i totally agree with you. if you look what he did in 2012, 2015, he was thinking about trying to get some read on the country, reading every possible conversation he could have. charlie: going to the trademark -- mr. garrett: going to the trademark office and trademarking make america great again more than 18 months before he announced. charlie: going into this convention, republicans have a dilemma.
if donald trump does not get the nomination, he will be very angry and may run in some way. if he gets the nomination, republicans are worried that it will be a disaster for them. some seem to say we would rather lose to someone else to save the party. mr. garrett: imagining a loss with ted cruz is more comforting than a complete party meltdown with donald trump. charlie: how do they know that's what will be? the polls having to do with women, the unfavorables, and lal all that? mr. garrett: there are institutional donors who have made it clear in private conversations that they will not participate, they will not show up at the convention, and big bundlers have said, we will sit this out or we may even send money hillary clinton's way if she is the nominee.
there is that restlessness within the financial matrix of the republican party. that may be an empty threat, but it is a concern for the republicans. it is a dilemma built atop an existential crisis. what is the republican party now? what are its foundations to those issues? what are its tactical approaches? not just in the voting booth, but winning back the presidency. all three of those things have been deployed to this conversation and have been unresolved for years and the donald trump a nominal is -- phenomenon is a manifestation of that. charlie: some say, you democrats will face the same thing down the road. you have the beginnings of the same kind of split. mr. garrett: that is potentially true. one thing that is true in traditional politics is that demographic advantages do not last forever, because democratic
-- demographics change constantly. they are not linear. you cannot project them for 30 years. not long ago we were talking about the republican lock on the presidency, but then it snapped in two. charlie: karl rove went to the white house saying we will build a permanent republican majority. mr. garrett: and it lasted until 2006. charlie: i will turn to the democrats in a moment. paul ryan, do you take him at his word? mr. garrett: i take him at his word, but looking at the history, knowing his own ambition, that the most likely route for him to become a savior i have point is to say, no interest and i will not take it under any circumstance. you have to deny it to get it. i'm not suggesting he is being insincere, but he knows if there is going to be an uprising, it
has to be something approximating a genuine uprising. one that he has to suggest over and over publicly that he is neither in favor of, nor behind-the-scenes manipulating. but paul ryan will be part of this conversation whether he wants to or not. charlie: the serious money says it will be donald trump or ted cruz. mr. garrett: you have to look at it that way because the acquisition process has put them first and foremost. charlie: whoever gets the nomination and marches into the general election, the issues for the republicans will be immigration, foreign policy, the obama record, and if it is hillary clinton, it will be trust. what else? mr. garrett: trust, credibility, and muscularity will be the suspect. cruz has drafted behind that idea of america lacking a sense of muscular purpose and definition about its role in the
world. on foreign policy and these other issues, that is where republicans will land. trump has taken that to a level of creativity or absurdity, depending on your position on the issues. saying america has to win and i will define what america looks -- what victory looks like, then i will pursue it. ted cruz will either draft behind that or create something that sounds similar. republicans will rally around that idea that we have been a dissident, loser-type country, not that thats true, but there is a feeling about that among republicans. when donald trump talks about general macarthur, and general patton, he is trying to revive a nostalgia for an era that is reatly resident --
sonant. i have talked to a lot of trump supporters. they are not hung up on specifics, they are not even asking for them. what they care about is a front and more profoundly aggressive direction for the country. iarlie: on the morning show, have seen you on report after report having the opportunity to talk to trump after he leaves or before he goes in. he is a little bit short, but give us a sense of having covered this man and watched his rise, what is it about him that perhaps the public would not know? ,r. garrett: that he does have and has tried to create for himself, a sense of what the job is like. when i first started covering him i thought, maybe he has not thought about the presidency and its rigors. i think that he has. i still think he is a little bit
more casual about that than be, thinkingght to that things are easier than they actually are, but the other thing of it like to say is, he does not like to reveal a lot. when forced to confront things that are inconsistent about what he said, or that are incomplete, he will walk away. that is an option on the campaign trail, it is not in the oval office. charlie: do you think he has and knows his values? mr. garrett: yes. but i would also suggest his values are perhaps not as broadly defined. i think he has very singular and central values. a lot of other things are left to the side. s, i he knows and believe think that he knows and
believes to his core. that is less common for people in political life, but he has not been a political actor. as a business person, someone who deals in markets and that realm, i think is formulated opinions are rocksolid. the rest of israel, the tax -- size of thee, the wall, i think a lot of that says, into what he everything is up for negotiation. charlie: enterprise how much he pays attention to social media. mr. garrett: he is someone -- charlie: i am surprised how much he pays attention to social media. mr. garrett: he is animalistic in his search for data about him . the market and his relative position. there were lots of stories about
him checking in with new york tabloids about what they thought of the latest woman on his arm. charlie: i was told that he would send comments all the time time,pliments all the mainly just building relationships. mr. garrett: this goes back to the question of values. donald trump separates the world in distinct ways. if he believes you are a person of strength and purpose, he will deal with you. he will not find that disagreeable if you believe you are strong and a person of conviction. if you do not know what you are about, and you are a wishy-washy person, he will push you to the side and move ahead. he looks for people like that, like megyn, and tries to develop a relationship. charlie: as major point is that he is a counterpunch or. if you attack, he attacks back. is aarrett: this primary
bellwether for hillary clinton, and a place where bernie sanders can possibly demonstrate something beyond expectations about what democrats are thinking he is capable of. if he does that, he continues to keep himself in this conversation above all odds. charlie: can he win even if he doesn't win? mr. garrett: he can sort of win. in politics, a win is a win. if he loses by three points and not 10, that is close to a victory. charlie: he has had heavy turnout. are they expecting heavy turnout? mr. garrett: they certainly will. one issue in new york is the registration laws. you have to have prepared yourself to be a bernie sanders supporter back in october. if you are doing something to register in a new way, you would have had to have done it several days ago, 25 days ago in some
cases. you may have on a lot of newly minted bernie sanders supporters who have not done everything they need to do who can't v ote. this is a party primary with elaborate and to many people's america,view in modern restrictive rules on registration. charlie: last i saw, clinton was up by 10. mr. garrett: 10 is her sweet spot. if she wins by 10 or more it is a thrashing and an important vindication for her. 's will blunt sanders perceived momentum. charlie: isn't it amazing drawing twice 7000 people for a rally in brooklyn? mr. garrett: the sanders phenomenon is real and long-lasting. whatever happens in this democratic race, bernie sanders
spent years and years in congress saying exactly the same things but to zero audience. zero audience in the public and congress. nobody paid attention to him. he was viewed as such a fringe thinker. he is not a fringe figure anymore, nor is that agenda. that is an enormously important moment for this country. charlie: will the democratic party come out of this convention a more left party than when it went in? mr. garrett: i would say, slightly more left. if bernie sanders, by some alchemy becomes the nominee, it will become more left. charlie: but even she is the nominee, she has moved left. .hether it is crime, trade, or mr. garrett: other issues the party hasmr. garrett: shifted -- issues.rtrade, or other
mr. garrett: the party has shifted to the left. i would not say that barack obama has left the country in a period of moderateness. but this is part of the moment i am talking about. how it got there and how this conversation is moving hillary clinton in directions she did not anticipate. charlie: talking about immigration and foreign policy, what will the democrats talk about? mr. garrett: the democrats will talk about a country that weathered a strom economically that they will blame almost entirely on republicans. they will remind the country where we were, what we have achieved, and they will say, the unfinished business, it is now time for that unfinished business. it is time for a living wage, for social security to be enlarged. it is time to push beyond obamacare, make it more effective and more ambitious, and deal with college debt.
they will talk about unfinished business on their terms. they will say that this whole other agenda is not only economically damaging to most americans, it is dangerous. charlie: that's what they say about the democrats. it is good to be identified with barack obama in the primaries. true? mr. garrett: generally speaking, yes. the hiccups with bernie sanders has been him questioning whether or not president obama should have run again. will hillary asnton or bernie sanders, the nominee, make this appear as a third obama term. the only time that has worked was when george bush succeeded ronald reagan. mr. garrett: that is historically not what happens in this country.
major parties get to terms and then someone else gets a chance. extending a third time it's a termy unusual -- third is highly unusual. the extension does not often occur. runit to occur, you have to on the previous eight years. that's why i say, we are here, there is unfinished business, but we are proud and absolutely certain about the last eight years. we are simple going to extend it. you cannot run without embracing the agenda of the eight years past. me,lie: people have said to has rove,, for example, said that elections are a referendum on the future, not the past. mr. garrett: that is always true, but to give people a sense
of what the future looks like, you have to frame their experience in the past. you cannot have that conversation with this country if you are the in party. the in party has to explain the future by exporting the benefits of the recent past that they were in charge of. that is why you cannot get away from it. charlie: if donald trump has to allay fears, and he shifts to the general election, what does hillary clinton have to do if she gets the nomination? mr. garrett: if hillary clinton gets the nomination, it seems to me that her central mission to the country is to say, you have known me for a long time, i cannot reintroduce myself to you. maybe i can shift some of the perceptions you have about me, that you are so certain about, that i am a strong leader, that i have my country's best interest at heart, and that my ability tond my
come to a conclusion and put it into action are sound and beneficial for you. if she is the nominee, she still has to resolve the great unresolved question in our history. we have never had a woman president. even if she becomes the nominee, that is still an unanswered question. it all has to be a kind of prism about her character, judgment, capability through a different lens. a woman. as much as we would like to say that is resolved, until it is with a victory, it isn't. all of that will flow through her in ways that are different than for every previous presidential nominee. charlie: she seems to emphasize that less than at the beginning of the campaign. mr. garrett: she doesn't want to convey that you are electing a novelty. charlie: or that it is about gender? mr. garrett: you are not
electing a novelty. your electing the most qualified person to be president of the united states because of my range of experience and my sense of this moment, and your future, and how they come together. every successful candidate does that at one point or another. that will be the challenge. charlie: back in a moment, stay with us. ♪
president obama's upcoming trip to saudi arabia. he intends to meet with king aluman on thursday. the trip comes after the president raised new questions about the u.s.-saudi relationship in an interview with "the atlantic"'s jeffrey goldberg. joining me now is a reporter who has reported extensively from the middle east. her nude look is called "on saudi arabia,". a," i am pleased to have her back on this program. talk to me in the beginning about where is the relationship as the president arrives there.
it is not in a very good place. i know that the saudi's and the americans like to say that we have a close relationship, but the distrust of saudi arabia now, of the u.s., which has been building at least since we 2003, againstn their strong advice, has now become so eroded. they simply do not trust the u.s.. charlie: a series of other events that took place, too. the redline in syria. >> even before that. in their minds, the president abandoned a long-term ally, president will barack -- president mubarak in egypt. then there was the redline in syria, where if assad crossed
it, we would do something, and then we erased the red line. most recently, and most importantly, the nuclear deal with iran, which they were el,ays skeptical of like isra but they were willing to accept that if we would understand and do something about what they meddlesomeran's region. in the they feel that we are not living up to that. charlie: they question whether this president, with not that much time left in his term, would stand behind them in a crisis? >> they simply do not trust the united states right now. the main thing that i got asked -- i spent a month there in
january, in the main thing that people brought up, whether they are academics or normal saudis was, is the obama policy and aberration or is this going forward? will hillary be any different or will trump the any different? those were the two names that they mentioned. answeruld, in essence, their own question by saying that they do not expect us to be any different. one individual said to me that the biggest issue confronting saudi arabia is, how do we construct a post u.s. middle east? i think that is where their mind is. charlie: they certainly have made some overtures to russia and china. >> yes. january,as there in the chinese president visited. got an enormously warm
reception. they are improving their cooperation with china. minister andense deputy crown prince mohammed bin withn has visited president putin of russia. they want us to know that they alternatives and have organized an islamic coalition. trying to have some cooperation and protection in a world where they feel -- it is not just the nuclear deal. they feel that we are equating, or maybe even elevating iran above saudi arabia. that we certainly, as the president said in that atlantic
interview, he told them, you have got to learn to share the middle east with iran. it's true that the geography forces them to share the middle east, but to have the president say that to a journalist and the whole world, as opposed to privately to the saudis, to say, you have to share. it's like a man who tells his wife, you have to learn to share me with the mistress. it is not exactly what the loyal partner wants to herar. charlie: do you believe that in america there is a change in perception of saudi arabia and maybe, assuming the nuclear deal works, and that somehow there is some modification of iranian behavior, which is a big if, that there could be a warming of the relationship with iran.
just this week there were discussions about conversations between iranians and boeing, having to do with commerce. >> i think that american companies will try to get back into iran. it is happening slowly, but i'm not sure that will warm the saudis. obviously, saudi arabia had good relations with iran. proper relations when the shah was around, and they had a -90's.onship in the mid iran restored diplomatic relations that had been broken in the 1980's. sf the saudis feel that it i necessary for their survival to improve relations with iran, they will. right now, they simply feel
surrounded that the iranians have, thanks to the u.s. in their view, that they are the dominant power in iraq, in syria, messing around in lebanon, seeking to mess hutiis inth the wh have goneh the saudis to war against. i think they also worry that the u.s., more than the president, that the american public may not --as supportive anymore with of a relationship with the kingdom of saudi arabia as it used to be. charlie: that is the question i was raising. they may not be as supportive and may see some possibilities
for the development of a relationship with iran. let the come back to mohammad bin salman. 30 years old. you have met him. how did he achieve so much power so quickly? he is the deputy crowned prince. his father is the king, but this is a young man running not only national security, but also the giant economic plan. how did he get there? how smart is he? what do people think of him? why is he the one who emerged? >> he seems to be his father's favorite son. his father has older sons. governor.m is a one of them is running the tourism industry. one of them is a deputy minister of oil. very a copy son -- very accomplished sons who are older,
but this one seems to be a favorite. he is a graduate of king saud university. he first began by helping his father when he was the governor of riyadh. then his father promoted him last april to be defense minister. --n his father became king his father became king in january, but he gave up his defense ministry job and passed it to his son. year, heapril of last removed the crown prince, put the deputy crown prince elevated to crown prince and named his son as the deputy crown prince. verynk saudis see him as a hard-working young men. ministers talk about being in
meetings with him at 1:00, 2:00, 3:00 in the morning. when he met the bloomberg journalist, and mentioned that they were with him until 4:00 a.m. he is young and young people like that. 70% of the30 and population of saudi arabia is 30 or younger. those young people like seeing someone of that age thre. ere. they like the fact that he is a workaholic and that he is informal. theeets people without headwear. it is different than the more ayed aspectt and st of previous rulers. he is clearly focused on the economy and young people hope
that he can execute economic -- 30% of young people are unemployed and the government and the longer afford with oil prices to give everyone . got -- job charlie: what role have they played with isis? >> they are not very concerned with isis. i find it interesting because we obviously are. isis, mr. baghdadi, has put a mark on the saudi heart, if you will. he is saying, we must overthrow this regime, we must liberate mecca and medina, the oil places that the royal family is not really islamic or religious.
they are usurpers who must be removed. the government feels that mohammed bin nighnaif, the crown prince, who has been in charge of anti-terror for the last 20 years is effective at keeping -- picking them up, putting them in prison and trying to rehabilitate them. they are not concerned about isis, they are concerned about assad and we are concerned about isis and not about assad. we do not have a common view of what the thread is in the middle east. there are people who say that the saudi's are partly responsible for isis. rigidhe conservative,
version of islam is what breeds these people. it is certainly true that baghdadi and his religious cite them as their role model. charlie: it is said that what we do not appreciate about israel, but the saudi government does, is the power of clerics. and they are very careful because that relationship is crucial to them. >> it is absolutely crucial and americans do not. most americans don't take religion seriously. they think that if you go to church on sunday or synagogue on saturday, that is religion. it saudis, religious saudis,
is something that governs everything that you do all day long. very the society is conservative and it does listen to the clerics who are the arbiters of what is the proper islam. the religious family wants to very symbiotic relationship with the religious because their legitimacy comes from the view that we are the protectors and promotoers of the one true islam, and the one true , ism, according to this man wahhabism. it is this conservative brand of islam. like to say there is no
such thing as wahhabism, it is solipsism. back to the meaning basics, back to the beginning of islam. it is, whether you call it solid is a more wahhabism, it is a very -- solophism over wahhabism, it is a very conservative view. charlie: and a political force. >> the only people that can organize anything in the country, aside from the government, are the religious. charlie: as you may know, "60 minutes" did a piece about the 28 pages missing from the 9/11 commission report. it has never been declassified. ande is a real effort, former senator ben graham from florida has said that there is something in their and he would not be surprised if it shows
some kind of support for those al qaeda kids who came here and did what they did on 9/11, that there was some kind of saudi support. they don't say government, but some kind of saudi support for them. can you tell me how the saudis view that, because i understand they are in favor of the release of the pages? >> the ambassador who was here for many years says release it. i don't personally understand why the government doesn't release it. bluffing,dis are just that is their problem. but both the bush administration and the obama administration has refused to do so. it seems to me that we all deserve to know what is in the report. y, 15-16 yearsl since 911. we should hear the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
charlie: is there any sense of what might be in their that would cause the classification? from what everyone says -- i still don't understand why it hasn't been leaked. everything gets leaked. charlie: and people who have seen it. >> so why isn't anyone willing to talk about it? we journalists all approve of leaks. i am mystified. from what people say -- the saudi royal family is enormous. princes, so there is someone supporting every view in the world and acting in every way in the world at all times. it would not necessarily mean the bulk of the royal family. it mystifies me what it was and why we do not know it, given that so many people have seen the report. charlie: former senator bob
graham told fox news that the white house has informed him decision on whether to ents will behe docum made in the next one to two mon ths. >> after the president returned from saudi arabia. he definitely should not say whatever it is before. having waited this long, we can all wait a little longer. face telluld face to them, we are going to put it out and then come back and do it. charlie: finally, this. how is the economy in saudi arabia? oil prices have gone to the floor. >> they have risen recently to the $40 range.
most people do not believe they will be back beyond the $50 range for at least several years. the economy, the government is trying to -- the have cut subsidies, they are planning to impose a value add tax. there have never been taxes in saudi arabia. the government does i get its money by taxing us and giving it back. they get their money from oil, but they are talking about a value added tax. they have imposed some taxes. reduced energy subsidies, trying to get their own people to pay a world market price by 2020, bu se are all the tinkering around the edges. if they want to reform, their will have to do some painful things economically and socially. --y will have to allow the
encourage more women to work. they spend more money educating them, but they need some return on the investment. privatizeto really the economy so that people are not dependent on government. that really affects the whole social contract. 80% of people's household wealth comes from the government. s rlie: the prince bin alman has created a new trillion dollar fund which i understand is to invest in efforts. >> according to what was said to the bloomberg people, they will sell a portion of ramco an put this money in.
they already have a private investment fund that has some investment in the telephone company, and the big chemical company. they would create this fund and invest in the companies all over the world and earn a return and have the money that oil used to provide now come from investments. that is a transition that they have to make, and have to make successfully. they are not there yet. it is at least a roadmap. he seems very determined and dedicated to making economic reform. if they keep that up, even if oil prices go up a little, the tendency in the past has been,
the government has promised widespread economic reform, privatization of the economy every time that oil prices get low. in the late 1990's and early 2000's. as soon as the rise goes back up, they just drop it all and go back to passing out money. it will be interesting to see if mohammad bin salman, who does seem to understand the necessity of this, will stick with it and get the government to stick with it, even if oil prices recover somewhat over the next half-dozen years considerably. charlie: we will probably look at saudi arabia 10 years from now and it will be a different place and that's probably good for saudi arabia but it has become more independent and everyone he knows where everybody stands. >> i don't let everybody knows
where everybody stands, but i think they are standing up on their own more because in part they have lost faith in us. i think that is not a bad thing. the company should become more efficient and proficient at looking after its own interests. we have to learn that if we do not want to support them, we cannot try to control what they do. behink the country will different in 10 years if the monarchy entities to exist. i think we should not expect dramatic changes. when i started going intensively 2006,k on my book in everyone said in 10 years time, it's going to be -- and it is different now than 2006, but incrementally. , and are doing more
think they will be doing even more 10 years from now. authoritiesgious likely to be dominant in saudi arabia, as dominant as they are now with the royal family. if something should happen to that family, even more dominant. charlie: i close with a quote from your book "on saudi arabia," which was published in 2012. observing saudi arabia is like watching a gymnast dismount the balance beam in slow motion. as the body twists frame by frame to the air, we instantly hold our breath to see if the hurtling gymnast will mail the landing on the mat. so it is with the al-assad monarchy of saudi arabia. thank you. >> thank you, charlie. charlie: we will be right back. stay with us.
charlie: what are you doing here in new york today? >> thank you for the question. the main objective for my visit to new york is because we want to promote the tourist potential of our country. we have a huge tourist potential. very important documentary called "the royal tour," with peter greensburg.
charlie: he is my friend and colleague. it is called "ecuador: the royal tour." this is you. exploring the amazon rain forest. take a look. >> soon we were flying toward the river. below us lay the national park, ecuador's largest protected rain forest. within a few steps, we had our first encounter. monkeys.f cameron >> they are everywhere. >> he is going to jump. look at that. >> did you see that? >> next, it was time to go deeper into the monkeys. this 900 foot steel cable bridge is suspended from two towers.
though it was a hike to get here, boy, was it worth it. >> this is where i come to get away from it all. at the same time, you see it all. >> and you do seattle. charlie: beautiful country. i want to show a couple more excerpts from the royal tour. the first one shows you exploring a church in quito? >> yes. charlie: take a look. >> this is the compania de jesus church. i think it is quito's crown jewel. >> mr. president, i walk in this building and all i see is gold. >> you have here seven tons of gold. >> this must have been quite a construction project. >> this is an impressive
building. but i will show you something really special. come with me, please. >> beautiful. it is considered the best preserved, least altered historic center and all of latin america. >> the biggest monastery in the continent. >> pretty amazing. charlie: beautiful. >> outstanding. charlie: it is. so your hope is that the production of these films will somehow show ecuador to the world and bring more tourism, which is a significant part of your economy. >> of course. we expect to have tourism as the first source of revenue by 2025. now, the first source of revenue
mark: i am mark halperin. john: i am john heilemann. with all due respect to hillary clinton's list of favorite new york foods, what is this? chopped liver? ♪ happy tax/boston marathon/animal crackers day. ted cruz's campaign is writing a high of political wrangling in wyoming and georgia where his delegates swept up state conventions, narrowing donald trump's lead. cruz has never been closer to se