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due respect to all of that bad blood, what a difference a single day makes. mr. trump: he cannot do it. he's a joker. breaking tonight, senator ted cruz just ended his campaign for president. mr. trump: i don't know if he likes me or doesn't like me, but he's one hell of a competitor. he is a tough, smart guy. john: he's ok.
bay, sports fans. we will have more of the donald dr. jekyll and mr. hyde act. john kasich and ted cruz say see you later. after a dozen debates that made him whole, 10 months after leading in his first national -- triedrivals sought to stop him and 75 million dollars in ads can block them. dozens of contests in which he couldn't be beat in seemingly endless late-night retreats. last, the billionaire is presumptive. this hour, we are waiting for john kasich to speak in columbus, ohio. we are going to look at what happened. is this real life or is it
fantasy? how did donald trump do this? mark: i have been asking republicans over the last several days of trump could be stopped and i have not heard a single explanation from anybody given the weakness of the field, given how trump match the mood of the party, i haven't heard anyone give me a scenario that downs plausible how trump could be stopped. once you take the field as the nature ofake those individuals and how they would choose to compete -- i don't think anything is inevitable in politics and it takes away something from trump's particular genius that got him to where he is today against all odds to say it was somehow inevitable. give trump credit, you don't have to like his policies to
acknowledge the fact he sees the moment, he understood the ways in which the party had changed and read the electorate acutely and built a message that resonated with millions of republicans that resonated in a way that no one else did. maybe he could have been stopped but you have to take your hat off to him. mark: if you made a list of all the things you want in a successful presidential candidate, trump was first or second in every candidate -- in every category. as i said as we close out the republican nomination fight, this was not the best field either party had put forward. it was the most overrated. there was not one person in this theirwho performed under skill level. they'll perform pre-close to skill level, just none of them were a match for donald trump. john: i'm not sure you will disagree, but there's one area, there something you want to make
presidential candidate which he did not exhibit which is policy expertise or policy innovation. any idea put forward by any other candidate -- none of them presented ideas that caught on with the public. john: that is 100% true and that speaks correctly to the weakness of the field. i think what trump understood wanted notience innovation or new ideas, they wanted someone who understood their sense of grievance about how screwed up the room publican party is. we are standing by to hear john kasich in columbus ohio. shortly after ted cruz announced last night that he would drop out of the race. -- gave his nod.
he said we all need to unite and focus on defeating hillary clinton. there are a lot of leading republicans who still have not weighed in on where they stand, but there has been a fair amount .f reaction on one end, you have scott a betterat trump is choice than hillary clinton. but there are a lot of people hedging. donald trump says has the opportunity to unite the party would if he is going to build that wall, he is going to have to mend a lot of ansys. kelly ayotte come a senator from new hampshire who faces a tough reelection battle there. telling the new hampshire union leader that she plans to support trump but isn't endorsing anyone the cycle. another tweeted if indiana
changes anything for me, the answer is simple -- no. a lot of people still left to react but what does this say about trump's chances of uniting the republican party as the nominee presumptive? collins andk susan kelly i ought are clowns as far as the wishy-washy talk. if you vote for somebody, you are endorsing them. that today notable has not in a day in which there has been a lot of loud calls to rally around trump rum a lot of establishment years. i think trump has a lot of work to do. he says he's not ever going to unify the whole party. they -- he says there some parts of the party he will not get.
mark: bill kristol said late in the day that he was not going to vote or trump or clinton. but most of like talk to, elected officials will be enough on board to not create a problem for him. he is going to have problems with others and some of that can be solved when and if he starts raising money and helping the republican party with a plan for a successful convention and make a strong vice presidential pick. that could go a long way toward uniting the party. john: it is clear if he does not see this that he should, the vice presidential pick must be aimed at trying to solve this problem, it's not about voting blocs. mccain,romney am a john george w. bush 43 or 41, fall the living previous republican nominees are all against him, that is not a unified party.
leading against her rivals in the hoosier state primary, so what explains trump winning big but clinton losing in indiana? john: the fact that the clinton campaign decided not to advertise in indiana and i think they may regret the decision in that it could make the next month of their life harder. bernie sanders was on the ground -- it's hard to win a contest you are not on the air. mark: for the most part, it did look like they could win that easily and it seemed -- we don't know how much money they have left because the cash on hand figures are not up to date but what are they saving the money for? why not advertise? the clintons always think they can win but the campaign decided they did not want to spend the money. create that second front. agree.
there some sign the exit is where the states were bernie sanders has been able to win, he has done better with women voters and the ones where hillary clinton has 1 -- they basically split the women 50/50, but that doesn't explain the thing. she is going to be the democratic nominee almost certainly but she made her life harder to be parsimonious with her funds there. trump'sd about donald efforts to bring the gop together, but one looming roadblock is the clinton campaign's effort to identify anti-donald republicans from a variety of groups. into defectors. which republicans are likely to targets and how big of a role will they play in the general
election? my suspicion is the national security ones are going to be a big deal. you'll see a lot of retired military and diplomatic say they are not with trump and that is why trump would like to pick somebody with national security credentials, if you'll pardon the pun, that is the trump card. i think you will see some retired elected officials, maybe some women, who will be symbolically very important. john: one of the things i think is overstated is the degree to which trump is the dove and hillary is the hawk. trump routinely misstates his position on the iraq war, which he claimed he was never for, but there's plenty of evidence that he claims he was for it. hillary clinton has credibility with military people. military is a huge thing for clinton because she has a lot of credibility with those folks.
don't meansements all that much, but one of the challenges they face is winning news cycle. having the discussion be about what she wanted to be about rather than what trump wants it to be about. he dominates the news when he wants to. john: when high-level military people come out and say trump is not to be commander-in-chief, that could matter. opinions ranged even within hillary clinton's circle about how hard it is going to be to beat donald trump in november. some think his populist message and unpredictable campaign could hose a threat. others are predicting a clinton landslide. clinton seems to layout the latter argument. ms. clinton: he said climate change is a hoax and i think it is real. we have to put the world together. toe of which he has tried
lob and we've a little, but i think he's a loose cannon and loose cannons tend to misfire. >> if he's a loose cannon, he certainly willing to say things in her race against opponents and we seen this already -- a lot of candidates were not prepared for on the gop side, were you ready for that? ms. clinton: i've and in the arena for 25 years and nearly everything that can be thrown at somebody in politics and public life has come my way. anderson: you feel like you can run against them? ms. clinton: i'm not running against him. i'm running my own campaign. was: later, trump said he eager to start focusing on the general election. mr. trump: i thought i would be going longer and she would be going shorter. she can't put it away. it's like a football game -- i put it away. i thought i would be out there
and should be campaigning against me, so i will be campaigning against her. the biggestre variables that will determine whether trump can win or whether this will be a blowout? john: can donald trump fix one or two of the following problems -- his historically horrible ratings with female voters in with hispanic voters? yes to fix at least one of them. if you cannot fix either, he's done. mark: the bigger umbrella is the fight to define donald trump. --he, as the clinton believe clinton people believe, a man with a dark heart that does not represent the best of the united states or is he a business man who is politically incorrect but the right person to make change in washington? that will speak not just to those groups but his ability to support the electorate he has one. john: i think it doesn't start
with dark heart, but with loose cannon and not suited for the oval office. the second set of thing is -- set of things is we give groups the sense he does have a dark will have to do work to convince them otherwise. choice.'s always a people say it's a referendum on one candidate or another, but this reminds me of the gore and bush elections. not seem bush will qualified we will convince people he's not up to the job and they did not make progress on that score. i think the clinton people believe they can rende her unacceptable. she's got to prove she is likable enough. but a lot of this is about can trump get over the bar of being acceptable and the debates will be widely watched and hugely
his candidacy. if he was able to significantly improve his standing, what kind of achievement with that the in the annals of politics? if i had wings, i could fly. i gets an enormous uphill climb for him because he is extremely well-known. the definition around him right now is of his own making. this did not get put on him by any opponent. he has created themselves. when you solidify things on your own efforts -- let out thatwill he could have a standing good enough to win? anything outt rule completely, but when you look at how this has built up over time and how solidified it has been, if you look at when he started talking about running for president in the things he's been saying over the last four or five years, these ratings
have been pretty steady. the other thing that will oppose hehallenge for mr. trump is has never shown a propensity to work on his own image. he spends most of his times with adjectives, very little substance and most of the time attacking everyone else. it's hard to repair your image when that is your ammo. john: change versus more of the same -- she's running for the third term of the obama administration he wants to blow up everything when massive numbers are -- people are fed up with the elites and establishment. joel: the numbers on the wrong track were higher in 2012 when barack obama was elected president. these things are choices.
i don't think it's as simple as change versus more of the same. i don't feel like people have gotten back where they want to be in a want to know who can get stuff done that's going to make a difference in their lives. presidential elections are about the future, not the past. when you look at who is talking about the range of things that affect their lives, bringing down college debt, hillary clinton is the candidate who happens to be winning more votes than anybody else. john: would you say those voters d off thanr less pisse they were years ago? the up for grabs voters you will be competing for? joel: i think they are probably a little less pissed off. i think the repercussions of the
citizens united case and what that meant in terms of spending , whichey is troublesome is also an advantage for us. hillary clinton was the first candidate in this election cycle to call for overturning it and appointing judges that would reverse the. i think that has people concerned. economically, i think people are not where they want to be. i think people have figured out in theirake it work own lives and our back a little bit closer to where they want to be they are not at that level of security where they were before the economic crash. it will probably create a better future for them in their kids. expect -- would you expect that to change next several months before the convention? when you look at the
reality of the situation and what's happening on the republican side, you are talking andt and array of tweets commentary from establishment republicans about their dissatisfaction, including the chief consultant for john mccain's race and mitt romney's race -- yet people like mitt graham, theirthe party is going to make this difficult to change the numbers on that side of the equation. we have more swing voters and more swing voters will be modulated in their temperament. they don't like the hyper politics in a hyper politician in this raises a donald trump character, not hillary clinton. grind a nose to the stone, make a difference for you. 2012, the obama
campaign would say we would rather have our hand then there's. what does donald trump have in his hand that you envy? unconventional candidate. i don't think the media has treated him like a conventional candidate. you have had people like megyn kelly on fox for letting him wallpaper the airwaves or phone into sunday shows. i think his own conventionality has had the media off guard. i think now is gametime and he's going to face the scrutiny and questions. anything else you envy besides his ability to be unconventional? joel: not right now. mark: how about his support with male voters? joel: the was a poll out tay showing hillary clinton running even with male voters. i can't believe you come
nothing candidate. >> donald is a bully. >> the bullying, the greek, the misogyny, the third-grade theatrics in the race baiting. at a level ist don't this country has ever seen. >> i move people together. we are on a bender. fact around to -- backed around two. that live video with something your campaign put out today. john kasich has announced he is suspending his campaign. not a surprise. he is out of the race for all intents and purposes. we were talking about donald trump. your friend who ran a campaign the last two times around that he would be a little nervous about running against trump. he is so unpredictable as a
performer and he scrambled the map. talk about those two things and how you think about those two levels of unpredictability facing the trump
general election. >> i agree on the first one and disagree on the second. the unconventionality -- you at me what -- asked me what i think he has. he has shown an ability to say outlandish things and not get his feet held to the fire for it for some reason,. whether he can sustain that or not remains to be seen john: you don't worry about that getting into your candidate's had? people say things that no one us would say. >> secretary clinton did some interviews today. in 25 years she's had more things said about her and at her than any other candidate who is ever been out there. i think he is pretty thick-skinned. she knows when to respond and when not to respond. i think it will be a real key here. what you don't want to do is let trump dictate the terms of the engagement.
i think she will be really good at that. unscrambling the map, that's right disagree. we are good friends but i believe in looking at the map going back to 2012 and 2008. more states will be put in play for us and the republicans will have to defend. notably north carolina. georgia, arizona possibly. i think states like that will have to defend with donald trump on their ticket. i don't see there is a state where they make is play defense and where we don't already compete aggressively. we will compete in the rust belt the matter who it is. mark: when you have been a stronger general election candidate than donald trump and by how much? >> the always can't look at primary as a blueprint for a general election. it's hard to make a case that you'd be a better candidate when you are losing in the primaries. if you cannot win in your own party, and it's a lot harder to win beyond that.
the same is true on our site. hillary clinton amassed 3 million more votes than bernie sanders and 285 pledged delegates. you have to be able to show you can win in your own party to translate into general elections. he certainly would not carry the baggage that donald trump might carry with five years of unfavorable ratings, but he would have a bigger climb up to define himself in the short amount of time. if he was the nominee, people still don't know who he is and he only a six was to go. mark: a 10% chance he loses this race? >> i will not do a percentage game. mark: go ahead. >> that we lose the race? mark: what words were used to describe your chances? >> i think we have a structural advantage and a candidate and hillary clinton speaks to what people want in the next president. mark: two big advantages. bloc we got you doing two
k and we fail to talk abouts bernie sanders. you will have to come back and we will take it up with you. thank you for coming on the show. coming up, a ted cruz ally joins us here in that same seat that joe was sitting in. you can listen to us on bloomberg 99.1 fm in washington. we will be right back.
phil -- fulfill the purpose of my life. that was john kasich speaking in columbus, ohio. he did not mention donald trump in that speech. he promised to keep fighting last night. he did not mention the republican party. joining us to decode the speech is kelly and conway -- kelly ann conway. explain this to me. ted cruz, an outsider, all those things in the year when it should have mattered a lot. how could he have failed? bottom line, whitehead cruz cannot -- wide characters cannot defeat donald trump? >> if your ted cruz and you have all the kings men against you, it is tough. i guess being in the senate for two and a half short years is
too much of an insider for an electorate that truly wants an outsider. when they say outsider, they want somebody not part of the system. if you're in the system it means you have raised money. you've been approached by lobbyists. you cast votes that people don't like. ofis amazing really to think people wanting an outsider but wanting an outsider with no political experience ever. that's a pretty remarkable feat. we are old enough to remember that last summer ben carson also was doing very well in the polls as a political outsider. zero experience in washington. was able to trump carry that narrative forward among constituencies like evangelicals and the non-college-educated voters that is quite surprising even if people like me. he was able to say you're not getting delegates, you are raiding the system. donald trump did a smart thing. he locked on the voters in a way
that they felt he was being attacked, they were being attacked. they really feel like they are part of a larger cause. mark: do you plan to support him? >> i do support him. i hope others will as well. i'm part of the never hillary camp. i'm really disappointed in some of my republican colleagues and friends who say they will support hillary. i understand why others may not be willing get to get on board with donald trump, but i am a party girl. i have been a party girl when they were other nominees that were tough to swallow. mark: what are the building blocks of trump's comeback with fema voters? >> first of all, something should be written about the gender gap. if he focuses on the issues, in the bloomberg polling, it shows -- what do women talk about when they say the economy? they say everyday affordability and long-term financial
security. fuel,st of food and paying tuition, the mortgage, the rent, and long-term financial security. i think donald trump should say you were going to improve the women? you have been in office for 30 years. you are the typical conventional politician that is interested in her own status, wealth and power. it's done precious little to help women across the country. should donald trump force a two-way conversation on abortion with hillary clinton. say to her, he was more extreme? is it my party, the republican party that says a woman deserves compassion and support and not our judgment and condemnation? abortion forys anyone, anytime, any well -- anywhere? exterminating the next generation of little girls. taxpayer-funded abortion. if he forces into a conversation, i think you are dealing with unpredictable trump
against fairly non-resilient statused hillary clinton. mark: see the favorite or is he? >> she is the favorite because the democratic blue wall. i think donald trump makes competitive some of the rust belt states. based -- they backed romney . if you look at what happened in pennsylvania, he and thousands of democrats and independents switching to vote for him. that is not nothing. i think that coupled with mrs. clinton not being able to put away bernie sanders in the rust belt states, but they cleared the field for her. she still does not have the nomination. of 17 inump was 17 out the beginning for a lot of people. john: we will have to leave it there for now. coming up next, the ghost of ted cruz's past and future.
♪ >> ben carson is lower energy than jeb. he took a knife and when after fred and he lost. he is a pathological temper or temperament. lo and behold -- a child molester. give me a minute. dr. ben carson endorsed me. that is an incredible man. it is such an honor to have ben. he has become a friend. three -- youour it
are at three. let me talk. quiet. i wish him the best. jeb, who was a very nice person -- he was like a little boy. he flew in a helicopter and he was all excited to be in the helicopter. is he going to vote for obama? people in new jersey want to throw him out of office. ♪ chris, thank you very much. chris christie who endorsed me, incredible guide. this guy his life so much. i'm watching marco sweating like a dog on my right. they call him a robot. it is rubio. i want to congratulate marco rubio on having run a really tough campaign. he is tough, he's smart, and he's got a great future. lying ted and nasty cannot win by himself. nobody in congress likes him once they get to know him. he is a joker.
. a very nasty guy just you understand, ted cruz is one hell of a competitor. he is a tough, smart guy. now that he's out, everybody loves me. when they are out they nice, they ran a brilliant campaign. john: so very true. that was donald trump before and after. -- is kelly on mcdonald and casey hunt. thank you all for joining us. you both have covered. ted cruz will go back to be a senator? what do you think that will be like for him. >> tough. tough. it's interesting to see what mitch mcconnell has to say on his first day back. i'm not sure how the room will react but i'm guessing it will not be around of applause. mark: as a presidential candidate, which he do that surprises you? >> i think he brought a fierceness. to it that we expected the prize
-- expected. the surprise was exiting the way he did. i don't know how he will try to mend fences when he goes back. he talks about the fact he doesn't have been relationships with people, he just does not know them very well. now they all know him. i think you will have a tough argument after running against the washington cartel. i'm not sure it will be a different experience for him. he was pretty much a loner in the senate, operating with basically only -- of utah's a close friend. john: answer me this. 's speech aimed towards the future. they talked about the reagan analogy. thinking about 2020. is ted cruz the kind of guy who and bet another cycle the next in line with 2020 comes around, or is he rick santorum all over again? >> it was an intriguing
cliffhanger. i think he is certainly speaking about it. he hinted in a the other presidential candidates have not done. he talked about the ronald ourgan speech in 1976, f years before he won. he is drawing these analogs. he's built it piece by piece, brick by brick. 020, he has 30 years to figure out how to be president. john: the million things that donald trump wrote this year was broke the notion of the republican party. he was next in line, number two in 2012. not only did he did not get the guynation, is ted cruz the who will be looked to by the republican party if donald trump fails as the inheritor, or will people be like let's move on to
something else? >> he will be a voice for freedom, the constitution and so forth. if you need the party to rely on, he doesn't have the groundwork for that. does he have a passion among a certain grassroots activist voter? yes, he does. will he have the organization. i think there is a strong case to make for that. will times be different then? the pendulum back to way more next man of scenario? it's hard to imagine that but i think he was to remain a national voice. john: is there a way given the things he said about donald trump that he could end up supporting donald trump? >> i think his main problem here was the trust issue at the end of the day. if you are playing back-to-back clips of what ted cruz had to say about donald trump versus him saying nice things, it poses a real credibility problem if he wants to move forward. the answer your question is also what happens to this conservative movement? all the people that are opposing
trump and saying he's not an economic server but it -- economic conservative or national security conservative. does it become clear after whatever we see in november that the movement will be the future of the party? i'm not sure any of those questions are answered at this point or it will be. mark: there has not really been very many people prominent in the party today saying time to circle around, time to close ranks. you expect that to happen in the coming days or not until there is some some sort of intervening event? >> i think there are two categories of that. there are some people that will come around. we saw that senator richard burr from north carolina. he said he will support trump. then you have the susan collins brand, the most moderate republican senator who said if trump can stop saying insulting things, maybe i will be up to support him. you will have the yeses and the
maybe's, and the ones that run the super pacs that will not be legal behind him. i don't how big a number that is. the poll say between 20% and 23% in various states. the same obama had numbers in 2008 among democrats in the unified. i think a lot can happen between now and november. it depends on how donald trump will conduct himself. will he give republicans a reason to say yes, i can't support him. sort ofnot have the problems and incendiary candidate we worry about. yes, i think we could see a major shift that is on trump to convince people that he is the candidate people can get behind. mark: in terms of tactics, will of the less effective or not as effective as a general election candidate? >> he has to prove a threshold of people seeing him on a world stage and seeing him as more presidential. he has repeatedly given as the excuse that there is such a big field, i've got to be bold and over the top to the dealing with
that. there is a different question now. can he drop in voters that are just republican party primary voters? that is a big group. he is infected go into areas that are largely latino or african-american, places were people may be surprised to see him campaigning to say he is a different kind of candidate. he loves to lean on the month he's only been a politician for fill in the blank months. he was seeking that difference about himself going forward. the blistering stuff will come against hillary clinton. i think he is excited to turn the corner and have a whole new list of branding nicknames he will begin to unfurl for us. you cover the "stop trump" movement which was not what it was. i don't begrudge people that want to work for romney. other people say you work for romney, you are on the enemies list.
is it going to be a continuing feud in the republican party that divides people individually into two caps -- camps? >> i think there will be people within the party they keep score without question, but i think there is too much at this point that is unsettled. while i'm hearing democrats today talking like jeb bush supporters were talking earlier in the race, when we get to the general election in the voters have a chance to say their piece they will reject this and realize this is crazy. look what happened to jeb bush. i think we will be having potentially very direct conversations in the general election. i think if trump is able to consolidate the race and a way that seems inconceivable to people, all will be forgiven. it almost always is in politics. >> there is the survivor question for staffers and so forth. if a here for -- if they are our
four -- some people say this are my career. the window is not yet closed. if people feel they can be part of him mark: i will ask you one more question. you have seen a lot of campaigns come together. trump is way behind on a lot of fronts. no fundraising, targeting, media. what is the hardest one to catch up in? what will be giving him the biggest fits trying to get on level with hillary clinton? >> when you consider how on every policy level and programming level the clinton team is ready, on every level of who they would put into trump a transition, to have all those jobs already filled on paper they are way behind. mark: thank you all and we will be right back. ♪
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