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>> it is 1:00 p.m. in hong kong. i'm angie lau with an update on your top stories. oil held its biggest gain in five months. crude producers rallied. the cartel will produce output by 1.2 million barrels a day, with saudi arabia alone cutting 486,000 barrels. russia credit stance just changed it sense and will also cut. chinese officials say crime is at the high-level level things to regret filled recovery of smokestack industries. the manufacturing pmi rose to 51.7 in november. estimates were calling for 51.
the gauge was 50.9, attached below forecast. the dollar has just seen its best month against the yen in two decades. treasury yields asked to the u.s. currency zone or. allure.ncy's the fences it will raise interest rates in a couple weeks . the prospects of donald trump his policies fueling inflation. double news 24 hours a day powered by more than 2600 or less and analyst and more than 120 countries. this is bloomberg. we have some breaking news coming across the wire right now. macau casino revenue rising 14.4% in november. it was up 8.8% in october. ♪ >> i am emily chang, and this is
bloomberg technology. go pro slashes it workforce looking to turn a profit. we will put the action camera company in focus. nutanix had its first earnings test but investors may have missed the call. we will ask the ceo why shares are down at the cloud company. after a series of roadblocks from regulators, one of the most famous hackers in the world shares his secrets of driverless car tech with the masses. he will tell us why head. -- ahead. our top story. gopro announced restructuring plans and it's cutting its workforce by 15% and shutting down its entertainment division with the goal to turn a profit still insight. a few months back, the company was singing a different tune. i spoke to the ceo in september and he was optimistic about the future. >> we've got a terrific vision for the company. if there was an opportunity that helped us accelerate our vision and realize gopro on some massively larger scale, then we were able to alone, that might
be something that is interesting but we are doing such a great job of executing against our vision ourselves. we are excited about the future as a standalone company. emily: joining us now to discuss the latest move, brad erickson. you have a neutral on the stock. you said you wanted to wait to see reception to the new cameras, the drone. now with this news today, how does that impact your outlook? brad: you know, it is interesting. a pre-announcement general he drives somewhat of a change. from our perspective, the news out this morning from gopro really was not that much of a change. change. the 35% sales growth relative to the year ago quarter that saw 1.2 million units, we think the number may need to even be higher than that. getting out of the entertainment business, that business was not driving that much revenue.
so, really no impact there. the workforce reduction, they had already really guided to the opec target for 2017. telling the market today that they are going to let 15% of the company go is really just the mechanism by which they will achieve this target. from our perspective, there was not a ton incremental today. emily: they had to recall 2500 drones, after some of them lost power midair. they are facing a class-action lawsuit over this. how concerning is that to you? these are products that are supposed to be the future of the company. brad: certainly it is a concern if you are an investor. around the drone, there isn't all that much expectation built in. investors are not giving them much credit there. so, if they can, with a product, i do not think it is looking great for this holiday. if they can get something out next year and drive a little bit of traction to that market, that could certainly help. in the near term, the company's message seemed to be a prudent one which they are narrowing their focus and concentrating on
capture devices, which is the best course of action at this point. emily: so, let's talk about the cameras. what is your outlook for the holiday quarter? you have got new competition. different competition, spectacles for example. how do you think the new cameras will do this holiday? brad: we have done a lot of our own research. we think the hero five black is doing fairly well at this point, about in line with expectations. we think the session is probably lagging expectations somewhat. our estimate is a bit below the street. we're looking for about 1.9 million units on the streets , closer to 2.1 or 2.2. so, we think things are likely to come up a bit soft in the holiday quarter. emily: 40% of gopro's stock is sold short. it causes a lot of volatility. do you see the company shaking off that short interest?
brad: it is difficult with these types of hardware based models. if a company goes out and sells a ton of cameras in the holiday quarter, that is awesome. the problem is we have to turn around and do the same thing all over again in the march and june quarters. that's the sort of ongoing struggle with these hardware type models. we do think there is a sustainable market for action cameras going forward, but the issue becomes is that, if they continue to see price erosion looking out to 2017 and they faced further unit decline, i wouldn't expect that short interest to decline meaningfully on an ongoing basis. emily: how optimistic are you about the company returning to profitability next year? brad: i think they are selling a good product at 40, call it 40 percent something plus gross margin percentage. so, if they cut their operating expenses enough, sure, you can
run this company at a profit. the issue then becomes if you are running profitability on a sort of stagnant revenue level, there is no growth for the future, and tough to find the incremental buyer of the stock. emily: we will continue to follow that. brad erickson, thank you for stopping by. another story we are watching. netflix is appealing to those binge watchers who do not have wi-fi. the company that boasts 87 million customers globally said it is making some tv shows and movies available to watch off-line appealing to customers in emerging markets where internet service is unreliable. netflix has been stepping up its push for more customers internationally and fighting off rising competition from other streaming services like amazon. coming up, he is known as the hacking boy genius who turned down a job from elon musk.
it has more russian cities than uber. hacker george hotz shocked the auto industry when he showed up with a working autonomous car jury rigged in his garage. he went on to reportedly turn down a job and elon musk, founding his own company to promise to sell self driving car kits for $999. it came to a halt last week when regulator says hotz a warning over safety concerns. he tweeted, "would much rather spend my life building amazing tech than dealing with regulators and lawyers. we'll be exploring other markets and products. hello from china." not so fast. hotz came back today to announce a plan to give away his software for free. he is here with me now in the studio to explain. you are giving away the software for free.
and you have with you the hardware. you're giving away the plans for the hardware for free. that will turn any car into a self driving car. >> let's qualify both of those statements. it supports right now select hondas and acuras. you still have to pay attention at all times but there are certain scenarios that you can take your hands off the wheel and not touch either pedal and the car will drive by itself. emily: ok, so, regulars were not -- regulators were not so happy about your original plan. how do they feel about this one? >> i don't know. i have not heard from them. the regulators response i thought was very reasonable. the problem was when it came. we were not selling a product. we were not even taking preorders for a product and they were already asking me for things like a user manual under oath. easier to just cancel and pivot. emily: haven't you really just upped the ante? do you expect get more than just a warning? >> no. we are not selling a product.
nhsta regulates the sale of products using the interstate commerce clause. we are just making plans available for free on the internet. that is a lot more like free speech. emily: isn't it like opening pandora's box, telling everyone, here is how you can make a self driving car? you're basically allowing them to do something that is illegal. >> first off, it is not illegal. you are responsible for complying with local laws and regulations. my understanding is if somebody in california went and built one of these, i am not a lawyer but i think that would be legal, because technically is only an adaptive cruise control and lane keep assist. those are explicitly exempt under california law. california has the most restrictive laws, similar like texas. that's why google and uber are testing them. emily: have you made any commitment not to test yourself? >> nhtsa does not regulate testing. the only thing i told nhtsa is that we would notify them before we are making a product available for sale.
we're not doing that. emily: what kind of interest have you gotten? >> we just opened it this morning. emily: are people is excited? what is the response? >> already, we have people talking about building them, porting them to the old tesla that did not have autopilot. that is the great thing about it being opened. those other cars we do not support, people can download our code and add support for that. emily: when you said hello from china, what did you mean? their -- what were you doing there? >> we were looking for manufacturing partners. i did meet with a few companies there as well. i am not going to say who. you know,the other thing about open sourcing this, there are so many more jurisdictions than a -- the u.s. the u.s. government may not like but some other, governments may say hey we would , love to work with you. emily: is china more open to it? >> i don't know what to be
honest, i do not believe that it would be easier to navigate the regulatory environment in china where i did speak chinese versus the u.s. but i don't know. emily: so, you know, folks like you have been willing to challenge regulators, but more broadly, people to not want to take that kind of risk. how do you think regulations are essentially holding back self driving car technology? >> i mean, again, i can really only comment on my specific case. they tried to regular product that was not even available for sale. they actually gave me 10 days to under oath provide them the user manual for a product i'm not taking orders for. if i make a mistake in the user manual, they are going to martha stewart me. premature, i think that was the problem. emily: you said elon musk offered you a job to build self driving car software for tesla with a multimillion dollar bonus. you turned it down. you also said your software is just as good as the latest tesla autopilot. >> i've not said the latest, the previous.
emily: how does it compare to the latest? >> it is a lot better. all of their autopilot cars are helping to train the other autopilot cars. once a bunch of people start building these they communicate , with our network, we train, we improve, we ship out. emily: what is your relationship with musk today? >> have not heard from them. emily: no new offers? interestingly, president elect trump has nominated elaine chao to run the department of transportation. do you have any inkling of what she might mean for this industry? >> i looked into her policy positions a little bit. i could not find that much. the woman who he chose to do, to the lead transition committee on transportation, she came from a libertarian think tank who criticized california's steering wheel and pedal policy. for being overly restrictive, which i agree with. there has not been a single death in autonomous vehicles to date. you can talk about the autopilot
one but that is a lot more of a cruise control system. to try to regulate something that has not only never caused a public safety problem but also could potentially solve a huge public safety problem, to me, seems premature. emily: let's talk about the tesla autopilot death you just referred to. there's a debate about semi-autonomous versus fully autonomous, what is safer? what do you think is safer? what do you think most cars of the future will be -- fully or semi autonomous? >> there is a long path to get to fully autonomous. i do not believe that there is a path to fully autonomous cars without going to semi-autonomous. i think tesla's plan for attacking the problem is brilliant and going to succeed. if tesla is the ios. we want to be the android. we will be the ones getting the 80%. we will be a little worse for a bit, but that is kind of the
emily: microsoft held its annual meeting and one of the biggest topics covered was his -- its cloud services. the company or is on course to pull and $20 billion from his cloud business by 2018. speaking at the meeting, the ceo describe the massive scope of the plan. >> by 2025, our society will produce 180 zetabytes of data. in fact, we are running out of words to describe the number of bytes we're gathering. our role is to make sure that the data is converted into actionable, helpful insights and intelligence. emily: and sticking with cloud computing, nutanix is out with its first quarterly report as a public company.
investors sent shares lowered and wednesday trade as the company posted a wider loss. joining us from scottsdale, arizona, for an exclusive interview, nutanix ceo dheeraj pandey. thank you for joining us today on the show. a strong report, but investigators did not love it. what is going on? >> i think it has just been 24 hours since the results. we look at things on a longer-term, next three-month, six months, 12 months. that is the way stocks should be looked at as opposed to 24 hours. emily: so nutanix shares soared post ipo but they are down from the peak. they rose so much a surprise a lot of people in the market in a was talk that perhaps shares were initially mispriced. talk to us about your vision for the hybrid cloud, and how it plays out in the realm of microsoft and amazon and google which are at war for territory
here. >> think about it right now, there is one real leader in cloud and that is aws. microsoft has done a lot of work with -- 65, their office application cloud. but that's still to be tested at scale. google is in the very early days of thinking about what products, what services it will build in the cloud itself. one cloud is amazon. even that has not been tested for the global 5000. we have some really large customers, 10, 15, 20 of those that probably drive the majority of the revenue from. so, what is going to look for the global 2000, the global 5000, which spends probably 80% from these 5000 companies. and they have complexity of different kinds, which is not the long tail of smb customers at amazon or these internet companies amazon has. i think that is where the real frontier of cloud is going to be.
what you do about operating in 100 countries, hybrid security, and everything has to become hybrid and the operating system has to straddle the two sides of the aisle. this is a massive computer science problem. a massive user interface divine -- design problem that no one has scratched the surface of yet. emily: how do you see the cloud and the hybrid cloud evolving? where are we in five to 10 years when it comes to the cloud? >> it is very similar to, in the last guest that you had on your program talking about how you go from current cars to semi autonomous to fully autonomous. it is a similar journey here. it is not like computers will become rented. there is value in renting. you would do not want to rent hotel for three or five years if you know you're going to live in the place. you're not going to rent a car for three or five years if you know you need a car for five years.
i think there is going to be this yin yang between owning in -- and renting that will shake itself up in the next 3-5 years. emily: do you think that owning will go away at some point? >> i don't think so, because if you think of going back to you own a house, car, it is not like these things are going to go away simply because there is uber and airbnb. computing is very similar. you know you're going to spend this much and your workload is this predictable, it is much cheaper to own then rent. renting has this sort of extra premium that is attached to it in terms of pricing that you might just pull the plug tomorrow and somebody needs to make money off that option now any which is what happens with hotel rooms on rental cars and so on. emily: you went public ahead of the election. i'm curious what advice you would have for companies and ceo's considering doing this right now, especially enterprise companies, what might you do differently and what might you
recommend in this political environment. >> i think the new political informant does not change much in terms of ipos, but there are some policy decisions that will happen in the coming, probably year or two around immigration, around manufacturing in the u.s. things of that nature, maybe what happened in the u.s. and russia become friends as opposed to enemies. i think there are a lot of things that are open now. business in russia and cis states and so on. all in all, i think the i.t. experience taught me you want to have a win-win relationship with investors. you want to really understand that your employees and customers and partners still as important as stakeholders as they were when you were a private company. you do not over rotate on the new stakeholder and maximize the shareholder value when you know it is actually a second order benefit in the first order is employees, customers and partners. emily: dheeraj pandey, ceo of
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showsctory gauge also expansion, although it was a touch below forecast. is seeing revenue gains last month with its strongest month and -- strongest growth in almost three years. estimates had been for an 11% rise. -- revenuether was was $3 billion. promote an attempt to feel efficiency. the 10% levy will affect vehicles costing $189,000 or more. the tax is deemed as the latest move to turn on spending by the growing ranks of wealthy consumer. global news powered by more than 2600 journalists and analysts in 120 countries. this is bloomberg. let's get a look at how the
markets have been trading in the asia-pacific. all about the oil story. look at these very positive by outsourcing across the asia-pacific index. has closedian market high with all of the energy producers getting a strong boost. topped $50 a barrel for the first time since october 27. you see the dollar strength story that is weighing on the yen. the nikkei is up. let's have a look at how the macau casino stocks are bearing following the latest numbers coming through. a bit of a mix picture. galaxy and window are in the red. also we have been watching the currency market very strongly today. weakening thelly fix for the first time in four days for the onshore renminbis. is one currently bucking
the trend we have been seeing in the dollar strength story. the japanese yen also in focus. we'll be live from london at the top of the hour. this is bloomberg. >> this is bloomberg technology. i am emily chang. in silicon valley, technologies like ai and robotics are seen as innovative. in other press of the country, they are job killers. in other press of the country, they are job killers. is the tech industry's lack of empathy a real issue? if so, how much will that miscalculation cost the industry? joining me now, great to have you back here. you open to the piece talking about the quiet and depression that has swept silicon valley since the election. what do you mean?
guest: i feel that in the aftermath of the election, the response from silicon valley was, we could have done more or we could have given more money. there was a lot of sense of self-righteousness about as if we did not do enough. from the point of election. there was a lot of debate on facebook and twitter and people who have called friends. emily: it is still happening. guest: i took a week to step back and say, way, why are we -- wait why are we not talking , about what is the actual cause of why a large portion of our society want it a certain way and the more you realize it, it is coming from the place of people have very little hope. they have no jobs. the economic prospects are dark. and people are fearful.
and to make it all about silicon valley is the wrong way to think about it. i think we are contributing to the big changes in the society. it behooves us as this industry of change to take a step back and perhaps have a sense of understanding and empathy toward people who we tend to impact. emily: mark cuban tweeted, we all need to give president-elect trump a chance, no one is bigger than us all. i wonder, empathy to what extent? if some of these folks are in jobs in industries that are outdated, do we do this to the extent of holding back progress and holding back innovation? guest: i never said we should hold back progress. i am a big believer. when we say empathy we need to understand what are the changes
which are happening, where they are happening, and are there any things we can do in order to ease some of the pain? i am not talking about handouts or any of those things. i am talking about can companies like google and facebook and microsoft think about setting up smaller development units in the middle part of the country or in the southern part of the country, how like chattanooga is trying to do innovative tech startups there. even 2000 jobs have a knock on impact on the rest of the economy. it has an impact on restaurants and other services, construction. it is not going to replace every single job. it does give some direction of hope to people. and similarly, we need to think about retrenchment of a couple
of generations of americans. i understand there are certain people who will not be part of the digital shift, right? there are a lot of people who are in their late 30's to mid 40's who also need to transition. i think we need to be thinking about, can we redeploy them in a different part of the workforce? before we do that we have to understand them. we have to understand what are their fears and that is what i mean by empathy. emily: you closed the piece by saying, let's not start by raging on our facebook feed but take a trip to places where lattes are a reminder of haves and have-nots. come 2020 come the silicon valley will become an even bigger villain in the popular imagination, much like its east coast counterpart wall street. i want to talk to you about facebook.
i wonder, do you think facebook should be doing more to monitor fake or inaccurate news, should they be doing more to make sure we are not living in our own little bubble or are they a media company? yes: i have maintained that it is the platform's job to make sure that misinformation and disinformation does not scared of it especially if it is from dubious sources. that is up to them how they implement it. if this is a company that can edelman censorship in china, it can do a lot more from spreading of misinformation in this country. that said, we create our own bubbles. facebook did not create that. that has been going on for thousands of years. the roman senators always used to hang out with roman senators and it is the same thing.
the technocrats are hanging out with the technocrats. i am one of those people. i cannot be self-righteous about that. i do think forget the facebook as an individual. we need to learn to listen to other people. i think listen better should be the we should be talking about. emily: what about twitter? i talked to the cofounder of twitter who said he saw a trump use twitter with a mixture of bewilderment and fear. some say his tweets are hateful so you should be kicked off twitter. should he be kicked off twitter? guest: if you think about the role they played in the election of the current president-elect, they were built for this. sources go direct. this is what the technology was
built for. the social platforms of distribution of news at network speed. emily: should they take a stand toward trump? guest: why should they? emily: if what he says well it's -- saying violates their rules. guest: has it? emily: if what you care as as -- if you characterize what he has said as abusive and hateful. guest: that is different from what they have been trying to cut down on. i am not trying to get into the whole political debate. my view is both facebook and twitter proof their true value as platforms for social to go direct in this election. i think we forgot that in 2008, same facebook was hailed for electing president obama. we cannot pick and choose as to what the results and the outcomes are whether we like them or we do not. i think bewilderment over -- if
he is bewildered over trump using twitter, he does not understand his thought form or what he built. maybe he did not build it. we cannot get to self-righteous about this. emily: a great read on the new yorker. always great to have you here on the show. more spending stats are coming out as the holiday shopping season gets into full swing. amazon is once again the most visited retail site on cyber monday, all of by ebay, kohl's, target. as theone out -- won out preferred method of shopping. 89 million shopped on their device versus 78 million on their desktop. we entered a strong season. cows go reporting to a $9.7 billion has been spent on my -- cosco reporting $29.7 billion
emily: in recent months, co-working spaces have become a booming business in asia. there is a $5.5 million seed round. the company plans to use the funds to expand its reach from singapore. joining us from singapore is the ceo. third business you have found it. why: working space, and why singapore, how much demand is there there? guest: thanks for having me. it is definitely an exciting time for co-working.
lines are blurring come as special when it is being offered to more traditional entrepreneurs and smes. this is a way for them to be flexible, a way for them to learn how to be nimble. we are helping companies that are small to become big and big companies to remain small and nimble at the same time. emily: is that competition? guest: it is definitely competition. we have focused in southeast asia but we have ambition to go beyond asia. it is a very asia-pacific play. the product and the technology and the value added services we provide our catered toward asian companies, expanding regionally. i am talking about freelancers and sme's.
across different industries as well. emily: describe the state of the start up landscape in singapore and southeast asia. guest: it is definitely a good time to be in southeast asia especially in singapore right now. when i first started on my company it was very difficult to raise funds. but nowadays, i think the funding amount that is available to startups across the region has raised from $500 million to more than $1 billion in the last 12 months. you see a lot of startups coming in and you see a lot of startups getting more mature and we have been seeing a few unicorns coming out of southeast asia alone. >> the new funding, what do you intend to use it for? guest: the funding is to allow us to expand aggressively and quickly across asia-pacific. it is for us to invest back into our members and businesses who
are with us and these companies are expanding. we have one in singapore, another one being built in singapore and in jakarta. we plan to have another 30 offices in the next three years. it is going to be fun and quite exciting to achieve all of that in a short amount of time. emily: you also founded a company called travelmob that was acquired. i'm am curious what you see with the rise of airbnb and their own global ambitions trying to get into china as well. do you think airbnb can succeed in china? guest: i think everyone is trying to be successful in china. it is especially complicated for a non-chinese company to do business there. there have been success stories. one of the biggest things about airbnb especially on the
regulation side in china but all these companies are trying to solve that and i think they are here to stay. i see that to be an opportunity for this company to take on. emily: we asked this question when it comes to uber and ride sharing. do you see one player rising to the top? will this be multiple players or is it a winner take all market? how do you see it and home sharing when it comes to airbnb versus the other global players out there. do think one of them, that the winner will take all or do you think there will always be multiple players? if so, how many? guest: airbnb is getting a strong brand here in the asia-pacific, but there are various players that are fighting it out. back then, travelmob was competing with them. what is exciting is the whole concept and principle of the sharing economy has migrated toward the working economy. that is why i am super excited
to talk about spacemob, it is allowing the sharing economy principles to apply to entrepreneurs to freelancers and , sme's and corporate. emily: joining us today, thank you for stopping by. we take an exclusive look into a maker, and- drone how they signed deals with the u.s. army and ups. this is bloomberg. ♪
emily: a story we are watching. the maker of angry birds is spitting out a new company called hatch. it aims to be the netflix of mobile gaming. hatch will team up to give a range of new games. the idea is to create a thesis -- a new subscription revenue model and hope that developers will no longer need to worry about monetizing their game with ads or in app purchases. drones are going into new and unfamiliar territory. there is one type of commercial drone you may not see. cyphy works with the air force and ups. we visited the faa approves test
facility for an exclusive look. >> hovering among the trees at peak foliage is an unfamiliar object. a high-powered commercial drone. >> what you're seeing here is our park system. it is persistence aerial reconnaissance and communications platform. >> if you look closely they are tethered to the ground. they are designed for surveillance and communication. >> it allows us to keep the bird in the air indefinitely. it is powering the system. it is allowing us to move data up and down the tether. >> they can fly at 400 feet for up to 220 hours. cyphy is partnering with police, the u.s. army, and big events like concerts and marathons.
>> this screen you are seeing is coming off that camera. this is our payload. this is a cm-100 camera that gives you 30 times optical zoom. >> it is the latest startup. >> from the technology point of view we are flying right along. >> she is the co founder of the company behind rumba -- roomba. cyphy has raised $36 million. the drugmaker successfully flew its first delivery with ups this year. medicine to a hard-to-reach island. >> i think initially going to inaccessible areas, that is the right place to start. i envision drones delivering
starbucks, coffee in the morning or bringing you your pizza at night and may be bringing you milk that you forgot at the store. >> the faa cleared small commercial drones for take off last summer but the promise of delivery jones has been limited i -- by short battery life. 45 minutes max. tether drones present a new set of challenges but for them it is a bigger picture play. >> the tether drones, they are making our drones much more rugged and reliable. we get much more testing in and that will lead to much better, safer, more reliable delivery drones. >> big players like amazon and other startups are competing in the global market for commercial applications of drone technology valued at $127 billion by price waterhouse coopers. >> we work with the number of government agencies, public safety. we are starting to move into the private sector so we're seeing
uses in the oil and gas space, telecoms, utilities. >> they currently employ 50 people and plan to double the size of the company in 2017. >> it is an exciting time for drones and the sky is the limit. emily: they're at the test facility in danvers, massachusetts. that's it for this edition of bloomberg technology. we have a great lineup of guests tomorrow. be sure to tune in. also we get our hands on the snap spectacles without having to stand in line for six hours. one of the earliest investors in snapchat stopped by. gave us a little turn. it was pretty fun. excited to show that when with you tomorrow. all episodes are live streaming on twitter. 6:00 p.m. eastern, 3:00 p.m. pacific.
anna: oil boosts. asian stocks rally the most in three weeks. the bond rout continues, gathering economic momentum in the u.s. and trump's election win. more than $1.7 trillion lost in one month. plus, is india beating growth at risk? the economy slows. a bloomberg survey suggests it will slump further. we expect to a governor at the r.b.i..