tv Closing Bell With Maria Bartiromo CNBC November 4, 2013 4:00pm-5:01pm EST
mr. bull ard on cnbc today, i'm cautious not putting money to work using options strategy to straddle to buy on the put or take some premium. >> very good. thank you, sir. that will do it for the first hour of the "closing bell." dow finishing near the highs of the session. gain of about 23 points. stay tuned for the second hour of the "closing bell" with maria bartiromo. i'll see you tomorrow. it is 4:00 on wall street. do you know where your money is? hi everybody, welcome back to the "closing bell." i'm maria bartiromo. this market modestly higher as the dow and s&p 500 inch back toward record highs. some money moving into equities pushing the dow up at 25 points at the close. 15,640. nasdaq picking up ground technology doing better ahead of the big twitter ipo on thursday. nasdaq with 3936. s&p 500 higher by 6'.5 points,
finishing at 1768. no new records for the dow or s&p tonight but not a bad start to the week. bob pisani following the action as olzalways. >> now historic high for dow transport. we've been talking about it all day, due to airline stocks. historic highs on delta, u.s. air all on the upside. low oil since going back to june. that's a big help. that's what moved it forward. speaking of oil, i've been talking about exploration and production stocks. it's the fracing plays and companies involved in fracing plays, northern oil, concho, they were strong all day again. the big surprise has been exxon. they've been dead money all year. moved up again big today. since earnings last week there were modest increases in oil production. they've been flat to down for years. they spent a lot of money on
capital expenditures. bulls are out saying we might see growth in oil production from exxon. that was $85 a month ago. that's a big move for exxon in the last few days. let's talk about housing stocks. realology, vulcan had a big story, and the big story, tri pointe buying weyerhaueser. shareholders will own 80% of that company $2.7 billion deal. i want to note financials have had a rather tough time today and they've been topping out a long time ago, jpmorgan half a point to the downside. regions, fifth third, some regional banks like keycorp, on the down side. s.a.c. announcement, a lot of people wonder what it's going to
mean for trading. they were part of the big trading volume perhaps 5%. the big thing is commissions, maria. they were the largest commission payer on the street as a hedge fund. largest hedge fund that paid the number one commissions. and i think the clear outtake -- the takeaway from this is there's going to be fewer commission dollars that are on the street. that's what people down here really care about. maria, back to you. >> thank you so much. joining us now to help break down the market action lizzette from athena capital advisers tim leech and nathan, and thank you for joining us. what's your take on these markets here? you say you don't want to be underweight in an environment where you've got such easy money from the fed, is that right? >> absolutely. we have easy money all around the world, not only the fed but also in europe eurozone and japan. japan has been a big entrant to
that. >> do valuations not counter into a decision on when to put money into equities right now? do you worry about valuations even though this market is going up on all of this easy money, as you say? >> yeah. valuations are high, particularly in small caps and in some of the consumer cyclicals. there are still areas for relative value. and i think there's still room for further margin expansion as we look sfwardforward into the future as we keep the asset bubble going. >> nathan? >> i see it that we're in a trading range. we're range-bound. most rallies start at about 11 on an p.e. and end or die around 19 or 20. when you see the 16 or 17 the hard part is that we're halfway between where we've been and where we're likely to go. and absent news like -- we didn't have any great news today so everybody looks around. now is a time to check your strategy. i think if you don't have enough in equities, now is the time to
think about it. watch the party over in europe inspect i like vgk as an example. when you hear the drage announcement, they're dropping rates, there's only one more thing to hear, it will be short term emergency measure like our fed for five years, in which case you know it's time to get out party streamers. >> is that what you're expecting, you think rates go lower this week? >> absolutely. they go to a quarter and stay there for a while. we've seen the movie, read the book, we got the t-shirt, we got the postcard from our friends, we know what happens in europe when money gets down to a quarter point and stays there for a while on bank funds. >> interesting. tim leech, where are you on all this? a big meeting this week for the ecb. speculation we could actually see rates go lower. what's your take on that? how does that impact markets? >> well, i think rates have to go lower in europe, maria, with the core cpi in europe, below
8% europe is very much in danger of a deflationary risk. they really have to counter that very strongly. but here at home, when we think about the easy money policies our fed has been maintaining, and i agree with the first guest in the sense that it's hard to fight that or to see that that's going to choke off the equity market returns, but the issue that we're actually seeing now on the horizon, maria, is that the fed may surprise. the fed may -- may actually look at the january meeting but probably more certainly for the march meeting if not january in order to begin the taper. that may catch some people by surprise. >> yeah. what do you think happened today? cimino, i want to welcome into the conversation. samir, felt like a quiet day on the street. what were driving things from your standpoint? >> the most interesting thing today is you had the dollar down and also commodities down. you've seen that over the last
few weeks. one reason is the fed policy this time around is keeping asset prices fairly low. i would take the other side. you could see the fed staying on hold much longer because there's a lot of room for them to really keep from tapering. in our opinion, the stock market can run for a little while longer. >> what you're seeing with the bond market by virtue of the fact they won't let the ten-year get below 2.6 right now, listen we're going to do better next quarter. if the economy can get along, you can add 2.6 and get a home mortgage at 4.6 they're not about to give away anything on the bond market. i think that's why rates have stayed, other than when politicians messed things around in the middle of october, we're sitting at 2.6 and i think so the bond market says, we're not going any lower than this. >> we saw a pretty good spike last week. people were worried last week but there's always a cap. >> i think the cap is if this economy can adjust and move
homes, which we're not forming households we're off about 300,000 in terms of hos hold formation. if we can get household formation back, we'll see progress. i think rates -- the bond market is saying we're not going anywhere. you can't talk us down any more fed chair. we see the rates coming. we know they're rising. >> what do you think? >> just given where how much rates rose on the threat of taper, that i don't think janet yellen, if she is, in fact elected as fed chair, is going to go anywhere close to pulling back too quickly. she's going to error on the side of being slower. she's dovish. i think she's going to keep the front end. curve pegged to -- >> nothing gets in front of this equity rally train? >> i think there may be bumps along the way. >> not right now. >> go ahead. >> you do have to keep in mind, with commodity prices going lower, one thing you have to watch for is where there's that tipping point when people start
to focus on the economic data as opposed to what the fed is doing. there will come a time even if, let's say, the fed doesn't taper, if economic data tends to weaken meaningfully, you will see a tip willing point where folks will celek wits and take profits if the economic data starts to weaken. we're not there yet but that could be coming. >> great conversation. appreciate your time tonight. we'll see you soon. thank you. nasdaq continuing its slow march to 4,000. sheila has been covering the action at the nasdaq. >> we're hanging onto gains at the nasdaq. we were led higher by names like tesla, western digital, but what a ride it has been for nasdaq 100, also the composite. both indices near 13-year highs right now. we're just about 70 points away from nasdaq 4000 that's a level we haven't seen since september 2000. what's been driving the nasdaq higher? two words -- momentum stocks.
names like tesla, up 500%, flet netflix up 300% gilead biogen and facebook up more than 20% in the past three months alone. back to you. >> thank you so much. we have $1.8 billion and a guilt judge plea s.a.c. capital today agreeing to pay a record fine and plead guilty to insider trading charges. but the legal battles of hedge fund titan steven cohen and his company are far from over but possibly so are the days of him running other people's money. we'll have reaction from sheila bair. also, if you're thinking of putting your money in twitter this week, pay attention to what young people say. social network just upped the price of its ipo but our new poll shows a lot of users may be
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it's a big week at big board. twitter shares will begin trading on thursday. the social networking giant raised the price range between $23 to $25 a share, despite a new cnbc/ap poll which shows the folks who actually use twitter are skeptical about it as an investment. kayla with the details. >> rearranging price work like clock work. in the midpoint of the new range twitter would be valued as $16.9 billion fully diluted, 17 times 2014 estimated revenues. it could price above that. that's what wall street's expecting, or goldman sachs could choose to sell more than the allotted 70 million shares as an elite few on wul street crowd into ipo, main street is not so sure. 40% of respondents who are active investors believe twitter is a good investment compared to 54% who thought facebook
would be a good place to put their money book in may 2012. a larger percentage of higher income and millennial respondents believe twitter would not be a good investment. however, 46% of those young adult respondents, the core user for twitter, believes the company will be successful in the next five years. so, down the road. two forces behind this. one, millenials are wary of the stock market in general, according to wells fargo. two, perception of social media is lagging. 19d% of respondents said they viewed twitter as a good company. facebook highest in that crowd at 47%. shares of twitter for retail investor will be far and few between. perhaps giving time for that positive sentiment to recover. back to you. >> kayla thank you so much. if millenials aren't buying into twitter, who is? with us larry from dynalink. he doesn't think twitter is sustainable as a stock to own
and also max wolf sees twitter as a great momentum growth story. larry, what is your problem with twiter? >> i don't like it, first of all if it comes out $25 it's double the valuation of facebook at 40 times sales versus 20 times sales. the difference is they're not profitable. facebook at the tirmme was $1 billion profit. i don't see any sustainable growth. i think they're coming out way too early and they're not ready for it. talk about $25 billion. i think if anything, maybe $8 billion valuation. and i still would stay away from it. i think people, if they get in, are going to get burned. i could see this thing going way down. >> max, let's talk about this for a second. i know twitter has been a growth story. i have a little bit of an issue with the survey we did because we're surveying users of twitter, so-called millenials. that immediately makes me think of my 20-year-old niece, samantha. she doesn't have any money to put in the stock market. she's still in college. i don't know why we think users
of twitter, millenials will have any money to put in a stock market if they don't have the money to invest right now. >> the good news is thanks for having me as always. the good news is they're not actual buyers. it's a sentiment check. it's important symbolically, get filling out the cards and getting shares filled. in terms of the multiple twitter is coming out at less than 20 times forward sales we got facebook out at. coming more like upper mid level of the range. they're coming out in multiple more like facebook is now and it's had quite a good run. facebook came out at $103 billion and it was going to do about $5 billion in revenue in the next calendar year. so, we thought. so, it isn't more expensive. it's going to come out around the same range we're seeing facebook and linkeden trading now. when you buy a company that doubled revenue last year, only making money for two or three years, you need to be careful not to do that as a value investor otherwise i would never buy any tech ipo ever.
while there's a reason to do that, i think the bigger question is, will you like this company over the next year or two? it's too early to tell. that's the real decision metric for retail investors to sagely use. >> with all due respect, larry facebook had its issues when it first went public but it stabilized. people are believers in the story. it was above $50. google had its share of critics. what is it doing to those critics now it's above $1,000 when it went public at $85. who is to say long term this growth story is not a real growth story? >> facebook is over 1 billion users and already profitable. this is zero profitability. right now they're losing a lot of money and slowing growth. if you look at valuation of $25, it would be last year's 43 times sales and facebook came out at 22. it would be double the amount. don't see the growth there.
200 million users. what will happen is you continue to get hit on margins, slowing your user growth as it is. to continue to scale i don't see it there. >> dan niles sold his entire position. he was a guy who's been a genius in terms of investing in this stock. he shorted it when it was up to 4250 during the ipo and then bought it below $20. now he just sold it at around $50. >> look. as you recall, i was one of the more bearish voices on facebook. i told the public in part on your air they would be better off buying a lottery ticket than those fb ipo shares. liked the company. i didn't like the share price. twitter has the advantage of standing on the shoulders of the folks who came before. i think this ipo is being handled better. if has a lower forward apples to apples earnings multiple. i don't think it's an earnings
multiple. bottom line, it's definitely not cheap. it's not the bargain of the century. people are either buying it this week because they want a quick pop, which is not wise and not for retail investors or they believe in the long-term story. let's be honest here. twitter has become the first draft of history. everything happens first on twitter. it's the first democratic wire service. becomes the second screen for television. it's becoming the rating system for television. and it's taken over the field of journalism. that makes it relevant. it isn't just in the news. twitter is the news. that makes it exciting for mou. it will take more than a few weeks or months to know if it's a good idea. it's here. it's revenue growth year over year, quarter over quarter is 100%. it has momentum. has trouble with user growth here and there but it has conquered mobile. facebook hadn't. 75% of utilization is outside the u.s. and it hasn't been monetized. if they can turn on the do it yourself ad platform you'll see -- >> but it's not making money. >> it's absolutely making money.
>> we love the post office but the post office doesn't make money. >> i don't know if the post office is growing 100% year over year either. >> and the whole -- >> good point. >> the whole issue is we're getting into video advertising here. >> volume is a great property. >> if you look, you need a dramamine to -- >> most people have attention span for six-second format which is vine's format. >> i disagree. >> if you want a safe value play, don't buy any tech ipo ever, this one included. the real -- the proof is in the longer term pudding. >> what are those metrics, max? give me one or two metrics you'll be looking for -- said longer term you'll be able to see it. is it profitability? >> they have to inflekt at least to break even within six to nine months. they have to tell us a little more and how they'll get there. they have to ak tu the way on being the second screen social utility and take 75% of their
user base which is non-u.s. and monetize them because right now 25% of users are american but 25% of users are american but 75% of revenue is american. they need to flip-flop that with the international story. >> all right. we'll leave it there. gentlemen, thank you very much. good conversation. appreciate it. we'll be watching this big deal this week. the government will be notching a big victory over steven cohen and s.a.c. capital today. >> all of the charged s.a.c. companies have agreed to plead guilty and all have agreed collectively to pay total fines and penalties in the record amount of $1.8 billion. >> the latest with our own kate kelly on who's been way out in front of this, plus sheila bair speaking with me exclusively with reaction. hold onto your wallets. a growing call to make the so-called rich pay more and more in taxes. our wealth editor robert frank has been seeing a trend. he's here to connect the dots for us.
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procedurally there's a lot still to come. the settlement has been agreed to between the two parties. it's sitting on the desk of two judges in the courthouse behind me judges swain and sullivan, who must approve it. if and when that happens they'll have a public guilty plea by senior representative from s.a.c. not necessarily founder steve cohen but as well as sentencing to follow several months later. it's after that s.a.c. needs to get serious about restructuring. they'll have to appoint an independent compliance monitor to oversee what they're calling the wind-down. what that means is they have to return third-party money to investors. a process that actually will be mostly completed at the end of the first quarter, from what i'm told, but could take ultimately one two two years, maria because they have liquid assets they need to sell. that process is currently being negotiate with the s.e.c. they have sfooif years to do it. probably won't take that long. >> so, nearly -- kate, thank you for the facts. we want to talk about this.
nearly $2 billion to settle insider trading charges at s.a.c. we want to get the latest from sheila bair. u.s. attorney pete bharara said penalties are steep but fair. he made it clear this shut help serve as a deterrent. you agree? >> i absolutely agree. this is great. this isn't just the cost of doing business. a fine of this size hurts. it hurts where it should. we have more coming from criminal prosecution, so i applaud the u.s. attorney. i applaud the justice department and s.e.c. to bringing this to fruition. >> interesting they were unable to bring any criminal or fraud charges against steven cohen individually. his name is on the door s.a.c. is steven a. cohen. why do you think was that? >> well, i don't know. i don't know what the evidence is, what the facts are. criminal prosecutions can be very hard to bring. we'll have to see what kind of
further indictments might come down the road. but at least at this initial stage, this is a very, very steep fine. it will be hitting him obviously, since he is s.a.c., it will be hitting him personally as well, i can only assume. and i think it sends a very strong signal. gerngs i applaud the government. >> and the s.e.c. is expected to demand that steven cohen never manage outside money at s.a.c. or anywhere else. should that happen? >> yeah, absolutely. i don't know why someone with this long track record of improprieties at his firm should be interested with ever managing public money again. i think that's completely appropriate, absolutely. >> but does it say anything about the fact that they weren't able to bring charges you know, against him individually and now they're trying to say, well, he can't manage money? >> well -- >> and if they're bringing criminal charges and his firm is saying, yes, we plead guilty to this, well who? an institution doesn't do it. people do it, right? >> well, people do it, that's true. but it's easier -- look, i'm
glad that they're going to bring further criminal prosecutions. it's obviously easier to get a settlement when the firm is paying versus talking about sending someone to prison and attaching the personnel assets. that's just a fact of life. but nonetheless, i think this is a very steep fine and one that is going to hurt him, or it should. he shouldn't have to have a criminal conviction to tell someone they can't manage public money anymore. there's certainly enough evidence here, at least, of very, very poor management of his firm. he should not be allowed to manage public money anymore. i don't need a prosecution. >> what's the next shoe to drop would you expect? looking at this situation, we know now we've got to hear from the judges. but what else are you expecting to come out of this? this is obviously a steep fine and very serious charges. >> well, i think it's going to sends a very strong signal. that's what you want with enforcement actions. you want to send a signal for others who may be doing this or
may be thinking about doing this. but it's not going to be tolerated. it's going to basically put you out of business or seriously contract your business. if this kind of conduct occurs. so, i hope it sends a strong signal. this is exactly the kind of thing you want. this is why you want fines of this size so it's not just the cost of doing business. this hurts. this one hurts and will be a lesson to others. >> one thing said in the press conference was it's a culture, and this culture fostered getting information and getting ahead of it. >> yeah. but it's just indicative of the ethical standards and how badly they've deteriorated, unfortunately, with some of the most prominent names in the industry. i wish i could think this is is lated but i don't think it is. so, the fact that we're seeing this new vigor at the justice department, this kind of very aggressive case i think it's very promising. and hopefully we'll start with these kind of enforcement actions, start seeing profound
ethical change in the way people do business on wall street. >> when you say cultural change do you mean specifically in hedge funds? this is one case -- >> i don't think it's just hedge funds. >> wall street? what do you mean? >> don't think it's just hedge funds. we've seen a lot of examples of manipulation cases you know massive fraud in large parts of the securitization market. it's -- ethical standards, conduct of doing business, deteriorated substantially in the run-up to the subprime crisis and the government has not done enough since that crisis to correct it. it's very refreshing to see these kind of things coming. it's five years after the crisis. this is a little different from the activities that gave us the 2008 debacle, but nonetheless in showing new vigor and resolve by the government to take on very powerful, influential people, i think that's what we need. not just lower level folks but people at the top. >> yeah. let me switch gears here because you were speaking out on housing, criticizing former
colleagues from way from tougher mortgage roles required under dodd/frank. are you concerned we're seeing lax lending standards and on the road to a bubble again? >> we're positive here with this enforcement action but i think in rule-making we're seeing definitely backtracking. we had a problem with private securitization and the problem is we separated origination of the loan from ownership of the loan and the risk it would default later on. that gave us volume-driven business. so forcing securitizers, those packages mortgages and selling them off as securities forcing them to keep some skin in the game was a key central reform of dodd/frank. it's been proposed as eviscerates that and i think it's highly problematic. there's a lot of political pressure on regulators to back down on risk retention. everyone wants to get the housing market again. they think that's part of the
solution to our economic problems but wet want a sustainable housing market. we don't want to recreate the party we had prior to 2008. so, i'm very concerned about it. i hope they'll think it through before they finalize those rules. >> you still see, what 75%, 80% of the mortgages in this country held or coming from fannie and freddie? >> that's right. >> right. you would like these two -- >> right right. >> -- this action, this business put onto the private sector but that doesn't happen overnight. we know that. this is going to be an enormous job to do? can it be done in terms of minimizing fannie and freddie, putting these mortgages in the private sector? >> i think it can over time. i don't think 5% risk retention is going to put anybody out of business. i don't think it will have any significant impact on the cost of credit. regulators acknowledge that as much. fannie and freddie, i've been saying for a long time it's a broken model. we need to eliminate them. i think ed demarco is ratchet
willing up guaranty fees to make it more expensive to do that business for them. there are some things that should be changed before it's finalized. there can be a new model that can get us out of the fannie and freddie situation we have now because they're basically government monopoly. 75% of the market, you know,ist nice they're paying taxpayers back. they're generating a lot of money. but the taxpayers are essentially guaranteeing all of that. the housing market turns again, we'll be on the hook again. so, the sooner we take care of that problem the better. privatization needs to come back but not in the way it existed before. we don't need it the way it existed before. it destabilized our economy. >> thank you for weighing in. sheila bair. mental issues once again leading to tragedy. friday's shooting although l.a.x. airport sparking more concerns over the melt healthoment
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more on that. >> let's start off with blackberry which plummeted on news it was no longer for sale and the ceo heins would be leaving to replaced by john chen on interim basis. johnson & johnson losing some ground after agreeing to pay $2 billion to enter government problems in the way it marketed antisigh psychotic drugs and the heart drug netracor over several years. ryanair falling after they slashed the profits for two years. then tesla, moving higher ahead of earnings tomorrow. the street's looking for a gain of 11 cents a share on revenues of $585 million. finally, let's cap it off with linn energy and berry petroleum, both gaining after linn said it would increase to $4.9 billion
overall. terminal 3 at l.a.x. los angeles international airport, has reopened following friday's deadly shooting rampage. the suspect, paul ciancia, who was shot four times by police who has been hospitalized heavily sedated and under 24-hour armed guards. from los angeles with the very latest. jennifer, what can you tell us? >> reporter: maria, terminal 3 is back to normal. a lot of airport employees have said -- commented how quiet of a day it is around here at all of the airport. we can tell you here at the tsa checkpoint where the officer was gunned down first is where paul ciancia is the one who walked through the door right here and at the bottom of the stairs we're told open fire. where you see the flowers is where that tsa officer fell. ciancia allegedly went up the stairs, kept firing back at that tsa officer, and accomplished one of his goals, to kill a tsa
officer, and the second goal, to show how easily it is to get a gun into the airport. in fact, what happened friday is likely going to change the way things are done around airports as far as patrol goes. but how remains to be seen because it's so difficult to patrol such a large area with so many people. we're told he came in, was dropped off by a friend at the corner. was not a ticketed passenger. just walked in with a duffle bug. so, that's the situation here. things are back to normal after a horrendous day on friday. sadness in the air but planes also once again in the air. maria? >> jennifer thanks so much. jennifer joining us from l.a.x. tremendous violence that bring focus to mental health illness. a and cost nearly $200 billion in lost earnings. sadly, as we saw friday it can
lead to violence and loss of life. doris fuller treatment advocacy center. ladies, thank you for joining us. doris, what is the crux of the problem in helping those with mental illnesses like the shooter at l.a.x., what is the barrier in terms of getting the help they need particularly before an event like this happens again? >> well, we really don't know enough about the shooter at l.a.x. to know exactly what his problem was. he actually did reach out for help, let someone in the family know he was sueicidal and there was follow-up. in some other cases, jared loughner, others, what we're looking at is people who have untreated mental illness and are not getting what they need to intervene before tragedy occurs. >> debbie, you believe there's a lot of attention being placed on
mental health but in the wrong area. can you talk to us about that? >> sure, maria. we are getting a lot of attention but it's very negative attention and skewed. it is true we have had some high-profile incidents in recent times. however, to listen to the news, one might get the impression there's a great deal of violence with mental illness. in fact, 95% of violent incidences don't diagnose mental health illness. 3% to 5% with mental health or substance abuse issues. we are getting a lot of attention. attention is good. doris is absolutely right this system is not serving people well. we need to be able to have people who reach out for help have follow-up, just like they do when they have other kinds of health conditions. usually when someone has a health condition and they need help, there's some kind of plan in place to get them services and follow-up, whether it's in
their home or outpatient. and that's lacking in the mental health systems. we've had almost $4.5 billion cut out of states' budgets over the last few years, since 2008. so, even in places where there were very good connections, they're not as good as they were. we also know that the affordable care act coming online and more people having access to mental health services due to the mental health parody law will help people make those connections. >> yeah, that's true. so doris, help us follow the money on mental illness. what kind of funding is mental illness treatment getting? is it enough? is it going to the right places? how might it be different? >> debbie is absolutely right. we've had terrible cuts in mental illness health care across the country. there's no place we could use more money for more services. one of the things that's missing when we discuss, even in the mental health community, where
those dollars need to go is that we have the vast majority of people who are not a danger to anyone else. they can walk in and seek services. they know they need help. they can get -- their services may not be what they should be, but they can seek help. then you have this very small segment of people who are the ones that primarily drive these negative impressions that debbie's talking about. and they can step in and seek services. and so no matter how much money we throw at them they're still going to be out there because they're lost in a different world. and so we have two populations. one very large. one small. one having a really disproportionate impact on the image of all people with severe mental illness. >> very important insight. thank you very much. appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. >> up next what could take the dow and s&p 500 to new heights tomorrow. wall street money pros give you
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pearce. jimmy, you're up first. 30 seconds on the clock. tell us how to prepare for tomorrow. >> tomorrow i'm watching same store sales figures as consumer makes up two-thirds of our economy. with the holiday season ahead of us, i'm hopeful all of us will do a lot of shopping this year. also tom gallup pollsters release eci data set. we get a better gauge how consumers feel about the economy. friday i'll be watching employment numbers. i think they'll be on the rise with holiday hiring. as an optimistic i think the glass is half full. i see the stock market higher in six months with more money moving out of bond market and into equity markets. >> you make a good point. i'm watching retail as well. a lot of big names. oliver, 30 seconds how do we prepare? >> absolutely earnings is going to be key. we'll start out of the gate with a lot of european data in the morning. the ism nonmanufacturing coming out at 10 a.m. those will set the stage for the trading day. look, cvs is reporting before
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>> and >> and finally tonight, my observation on the capital requirements that have once again been put out by the capital reserve. this was actually released on friday, the tragedy at lax airport overshadowed the news. analysts are writing about the implications for the big banks. comments from the fed suggests a much stiffer set of criteria. the question, of course how much of this was expected. and is this the reason for the recent underperformance of the banks? the fed released a stress test scenario for the top 18 banks which are required to submit their capita plans shortly after the new year. many of these banks have been reserving and planning for more capital outlays. now there are now questions about that because the fed is gaming on a possible weaker economic scenario.
there is also a counter party default scenario. plab lu xz fb the lablgts ub mobd galgts barlgs ubsment 6 looking at valuations has this been priced in or will we see sell offs once it becomes clear that there will not be significant dividend increases? the major banks are all up between 20 and 45% year to date. but just in the last three months they have started to show some weakness. we will watch this group and whether or not the market can rise without the banks in the lead moving higher.
nasdaq picked up 14.5. that will do it for closing bell. i will see you tomorrow. fast money begins right now. >> live from the nasdaq market site in new york city's time square, i'm melissa lee. red flags for the rally. two big wall street names raising concerns about the market's big run. the high flier has been tapping the brakes and we have got a bull and bear debate. and consumer check up joins us to break down the held of the consumer and how his company is gearing up for the all important