tv Squawk on the Street CNBC March 17, 2017 9:00am-11:01am EDT
points, nasdaq up by just over 9.5. the markets were already in a position to be slightly positive for the week before seeing the gains this morning. the ten-year note now yielding 2.522%. crude oil prices have been higher once again. >> do you like cabbage? >> i don't like cabbage. i love corned beef. i hate the way cabbage smells. >> and it smells at other times. >> okay. happy st. patrick's day. >> and be careful out there given all the drinking we talked about today. >> yes. only 8% -- >> make sure you join us on monday. "squawk on the street" begins right now. ♪ good friday morning. welcome to "squawk on the street." i'm carl quintanilla with jim cramer, david faber at the new york stock exchange. futures not far from fair value on this st. patrick's day. a lot to watch today including chancellor merkel at the white house, quad witching, we're going to tackle the trend of deregulation all day long on this network. europe's pretty steady.
macro to watch. our roadmap begins with u.s. foreign relations in the spotlight. the president meeting with merkel in washington today. plus, the secretary of state rex tillerson giving a very strong warning to north korea. >> then we're going to move onto deregulation nation, what the current climate of deregulation means for media and telecom stocks. >> shares of tiffany up on strong earnings. a silver lining perhaps for the luxury market. but first up, when the president meets with german chancellor merkel later this morning, trade, immigration and defense among the major issues likely to be discussed. both leaders will hold a joint news conference this afternoon. the trump white house has been critical of germany's trade surplus as the u.s. remains its single biggest export market, although the president has said nice things personally about merkel and her strength as a leader. >> right. i think this is a rubber hits the road meeting because i think that we have not really seen trump in action, let's say against european leaders,
particularly about nato. but secondarily i know this is when you're going to hear about russia in a substantive way. i think that's going to be the liberal media will be talking about how merkel is a sworn opponent of russia and obama and merkel worked together. and this is the beginning of the, i think, the problems with the special relationship between our country and germany that obama had created. i just don't think it's going to be the same. i just don't think there's any way that this anti-nationalist, totally globalization premier, right, is going to meet up with an america-first president and discussions are not going to be the way you'll think they'll go, historically. >> they're not just having a bilateral, they'll have a roundtable with the ceos of bmw and siemens. bringing in some apprentices going to speak for vocational training, how that works in
germany and maybe how they hope it will work here. >> well, bmw is a controversial company, it shouldn't be. bmw is a huge manufacturer in this country, but they're also a huge manufacturer in mexico. i know from the contacts that i have that people within the government here are saying bmw ought to build more plants in this country. so that's important. siemens is just straight out head-to-head against general electric, frankly. but i do think that this is the leader who is the most nationalist versus the leader who is most globalist. so there's really not a lot of common ground here other than the fact germany's been on our side for a long time. but look out. i think there are going to be sparks. >> you do? >> i do. this is not like other meetings. >> is there any point the broader markets react to geopolitical concerns? because it doesn't seem that's been the case yet. it's just been a lot of talk about the possibility of protectionism and possibility of certain friction with allies,
but. >> the thought that navarro -- the reason i'm coming at this is the navarro comments were the most incendiary comments we have had with our ally germany that i can recall. okay. so i don't think that unless the president totally disowns navarro's comments, i mean, i don't know how you have a pleasant meeting. honestly. i don't know how you have one. that is an interesting point because it depends who he's channelling -- in other words is it navarro or more of gary cohn's thoughts which we believe are much more towards being more constructive? navarro's been very focused on the trade deficit. he sees it as a real evil. >> right. >> while other economists argue it's not. >> right. >> kind of to put in very simple terms without getting into the level of complexity. >> this week navarro did say he hopes to create a powerhouse of trade between us, mexico, canada. mnuchin --
>> the peso's back. >> they're all walking it back. but i do believe -- honestly, take a look at that relationship obama put together with merkel and i think that's a relationship that this president doesn't want. >> how about tillerson? speaking on his ae asia trip about essentially giving up on 20 years of diplomatic efforts to rein in north korea. >> all the options are on the table. certainly we do not want things to get to a military conflict. we're quite clear in that in our communications. but obviously if north korea takes actions that threatens the south korean forces or our own forces, then that will be met with an appropriate response. >> he says the era, the strategic patience has ended. >> wow. >> and earlier last week the chinese premier said the u.s. and north korea are like two accelerating trains on a collision course. >> look, for years what we
thought is that if you gave them food they would relent. and they haven't. and i think this is the beginning of a new policy towards north korea. >> again, i go back to, i mean, geopolitical concerns sort of becoming something investors start thinking about front and center. if there's any one it's got to be north korea which we know is trying to outfit an intercontinental missile with nuclear weapon. >> like a parallel program? >> that could hit los angeles. you know that. you're looking at me like you don't know what i'm talking about. of course you do. >> i'm talking about homeland for heaven's sake. they have a nuclear program and iran has a nuclear program. >> counsel of foreign relations, right, number one challenge going to face this administration, he's not alone in that leaf. >> no, but south korea is a great ally. south korea's in disarray, right? south korean government's in disarray. >> their president's been impeached. >> look, we've always felt that -- i don't want to speak too much foreign policy, doesn't make us any money but we've always felt the chinese were not
doing their job to reign in north korea. our plan has always been keep feeding, they'll come around. they never came around. tillerson's a serious guy. tillerson's breaking with everything at the state department. tillerson is speaking very more nationalistic, very less conciliatory. that's just what's happening. but i do think, look, they're walking it back. they're doing a lot of things that seem like negotiating. it's like, you know, they come out really hard. and then, you know, see whether this side gives a little. merkel's not giving anything. i'm telling you, this is going to be different meeting. we're going to focus on this. i really do. >> all right. something else we're focused on today is deregulation. >> i'm in germany, how'd you do that? >> i'm just moving on, baby. we're talking about the president's push for deregulation of course all day on cnbc today. and what that could mean for your money. the fcc for example becomes into key focus when we talk about deregular d
dereg in media and telecom, something we've talked a lot about already on this set many, many times but certainly worth going at again as we see the new fcc chair ajit pai get more and more focused on eliminating title 2, which is net neutrality, right? the fact that your isps, your internet service providers are regulated as though it was a telecommunications service. this was an area of great consternation for some under the previous administration, under chairman wheeler when it was regulated that way. and it is very much apparent that mr. pai is going in a different direction. and it will be a positive, no doubt, for the likes of our parent company comcast and charter and verizon, at&t and so many that provide internet service and broadband service really is what we're talking about to the nation. here's what mr. pai had to say when we interviewed him a couple weeks back specific to eliminating net neutrality.
>> i can't give you a specific timeframe, but what i can tell you is we're studying the issue very carefully, we're speaking to members of congress who might have an interest in this as well. and at the end of the day i think we want to deliver positive results for the american online consumer. and as i said for two decades the proof was in the pudding that the consumer was best served with light touch regulation. and i think that's the end result that we're hoping to achieve. >> light touch regulation, of course, will go beyond net neutrality. by the way we should mention reed hastings yesterday talking about it from netflix's point of view, of course seen as potentially a company that would be hurt by the elimination of strict net neutrality. >> did you see -- >> i did. he's saying it's not going to hurt us that much. but it's a real question as to whether this will allow the provider of your broadband to start essentially charging you more to a certain extent and/or the provider as in netflix charging them more in terms of fees for getting to you given
you're using so much of the b d bandwidth to stream your movies and download your movies. >> right. i can see where this would be a winner, but regulation has helped netflix so much. >> yes, seen absolutely positive fabulous for netflix under the former administration and fcc chair wheeler. but it's things like the broadcast ownership caps which have been in place since the '70s and perhaps don't make a great deal of sense. that's why you're hearing talk about the possibility of tribune getting together with sin claire. doesn't appear they're that far along, but if you eliminate those caps somewhere around 39% in a given area, you would allow for a deal like that. set top boxes, remember that one? we talked to pai about that as well. no longer can go out and buy your own. privacy laws also being not as strict. that's a positive for the isps. so so many areas where
deregulation is already having an impact and will have much more of an impact. then we move on of course to the possibility of mergers, which we've always talked so often about here. >> right. >> whether it be sprint and t-mo, which by the way everybody can start talking on april 17th let's call it. that's when you can start talking again as a result of the incentive auction, remember, for the air waves, that being done. and then that quiet period or not collusion period having expired. >> i've been trying to scoop you on this. >> yeah? >> i'm going to london to talk to some people involved in this. david, i think there's going to be a deal. >> between whom? >> i think the germans are done. >> you got to be more specific. >> i think deutsche tell is ready to move on. >> to do a deal with sprint? well, you know, it's interesting. we certainly no masa son has ownership strength would love to see a deal. still becomes structure, what the germans would be willing to accept. and then you still get to the
department of justice. the fcc remember they look at things -- there's masa, under public interest rule. public interest is what stopped time warner cable's purchase by our parent company comcast, because you can just keep it out there forever. but this fcc doesn't appear particularly interested. for example, they didn't want to weigh-in on at&t and time warner. >> i know. i know. >> right? and there's nothing really before them that they have to weigh-in on because there's no real licenses at stake or anything of that nature. so it's the department of justice, jim, that's really going to be the key in any kind of a deal like that. what would the germans be willing to accept in order to offset the risk that they're taking on that the deal would once again be turned down as it was when at&t tried to buy t-mo or even prior to them even announcing anything the last time through when they at least got the state of play from the department of justice between sprint and t-mo trying to get together. that's a key question. and i still maintain four going to three in a very competitive
industry where prices are going down where it's the key bill for most consumers, you have to wonder whether you're still going to see a doj that's going to be that willing to allow it. >> right. if deutschetel want to do it, i'm not saying this is going to happen, this is what i've been working on. >> you're not going to scoop me. not in that area. no way. it will not be allowed, you will not be successful. i'm letting you know. >> i want to go right now to a commercial. i'm upset about this. >> you can wander all over the place but you can't get right down into my business. you can't get right into my business. i got this. you got the whole world. i've got this little bit and you're still going to get in there? >> yeah. >> no. no. >> broader question for this deregulation theme we're going to hit all day, jim, is how much the market's relying on it, right? you got a lot of people wondering about the stall in the banks, the dollar down two days in a row. >> yesterday i think the banks did well. some banks it was hit or miss. wells did well because people
think they're clawing back. i think it really doesn't matter. but i keep thinking about what would have happened energy transfer, what would have happened to adp if dakota access had been blocked? this is an example of why deregulation matters. that company could have been sunk. i'm having the best pipeline guy in the world tonight on "mad money" to talk about how this is the industry that deregulation is saving. >> so why is energy the only sector down since election day? >> because we're pumping so much oil in this country. we're pumping 100,000 more barrels a day each month because of ingenuity and technology and because of belief that this president is not going to block any of the pipelines that we need to go from oklahoma, to go from pennsylvania, to go from ohio and go from texas. because all these are going to be disputed. this president is going to ram them through because of deregulation. i'm not kidding. my pipeline expert tonight will unveil all this. >> is it going to kill the market the way hamm said it
could if you take production too high? >> hamm? you mean the guy when it was 80 going 110? i mean, the guy who picked -- thought princeton was going to go all the way. i don't know. look, i've got to tell you, he's been wrong. he's a great american. but i have to tell you we are pumping -- we've lowered the price of oil so much out of the ground here we're $22 to $25 now in the last few months got it down to that. you can imagine how much money we're making. so, yes, we are wrecking the price structure. but when we get to $50, $55, we back you have. we sell futures. that's what we do. we don't sell oil. we sell futures. what country is that? >> i forgot. >> no green tie from david. let's get industrial production with rick. hey, rick. >> good morning, carl. well, industrial production for the month of february came in unchanged. goose egg. we're expecting up a couple of tenths. we did gain two tenths on revision but still negative from minus 0.3 to minus 0.1.
75.4, arguably a tenth light but close to expectations and garnered an extra 0.2 on january from 75.3 originally released to new stand at 75.5. yields are hovering just above 2.5 where they were right before this number. and of course we'll pay very close attention to how we go into the weekend considering it was just about a week ago we were at the highest yields virtually since 2014. we haven't come down that much, but we have come down from very significant resistance levels. david, jim, carl, back to you. >> rick, thank you very much. when we return, it's been five months since tim sloan was named chief of wells fargo. we're going to hear his strategy for the bank's future in an exclusive interview. more "squawk on the street" from post nine in just a moment.
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20, 22, some people say it's only 15%. that price tag no go. now, over time maybe it will be better, but this is -- look, amgen has done a lot of things right and i don't want to just say this is the end of amgen because that's been to count them out is wrong, but this study was not as good. and a lot of people were thinking about this analyst meeting, including me, as being the breakthrough meeting about a new drug that would really dramatically cut maybe even much better. reminds me a little of bristol-myers with opdivo when it just didn't come through. but that said all it is is debate and this doesn't quell the debate reading adam does great stuff on this, i'm not willing to writeoff amgen and as a matter of fact i think we haven't heard the last of this drug. we haven't heard the last of this drug. >> no, trying to look here they released everything at the same time amgen in terms of slide, everything else, what they met,
what they didn't meet and obviously the market is making quick judgment here in terms of what you're going to see success or lack thereof of, of this drug, repatha. >> insurance companies may not go for it. when you think about that, that's the payer. and this is disappointing. 27,000 patients. beneficiaries here on the other side that are competitive? >> it's almost -- the lipitor -- >> right. so what happens insurance companies in the new world of deregulation and where the president wants prices down, you know, certainly medicare was not going to go for -- >> right. that's the point. if you can't prove that it is going to be that different than the existing therapies why the insurance companies going to want to pay for it. >> anything that it's about that is kind of roughly equivalent, the government's not going to pay for it.
really worth following this because this is -- this was a drug that i think a lot of people thought their doctors were going to recommend. they ain't going to recommend it. >> yeah, there's a lot we don't know about health care policy this year. we'll get cramer's mad dash, after the break get the opening bell. all averages are higher for the week, making it 7 out of 8 for the s&p, 5 of 6 for the dow, back in a moment.
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♪ happy st. patrick's day, of course, as we countdown -- i know. i forgot. funny, i was going to grab a green tie, completely eluded me. we have a mad dash to get to with a few minutes to get to start here. very crowded on the trading floor, software ipo mulp. >> i have new relic, great video, a site monitors whether your site is doing well on omni channel, and you can't do it well without mulesoft. an incredible company, a real company. at the beginning of this ipo period you get the real good ones. take a look at their website. you'll see a series of videos of companies that count on them to be able to operate their own websites. it's quite an impressive company with a great growth rate. it's a winner. mulesoft's a winner. just go to the website, see what they do for wawa, local chain for me. coca-cola a very big client. >> yep. >> salesforce by the way is a big investor, marc benioff going
to the white house today meeting with merkel and the president, hopefully discussing about what will happen to the displaced workers. >> did you want to hit adobe before the mad dash? >> last night i'm coming home after a hard day's work and sometimes you're just so lucky. you know how there's like a great netflix binge? two nights i binge on the oracle call, last night it was adobe. if you want to do anything creative on the web, it's them. them. and they're recurring revenue here is incredible and creative market, creative cloud, you got to go there. they also keep track of all the retail sales. there isn't anything that this company hasn't lured to. >> you've been positive on the company for quite some time. >> yes. ever since they switched to recurring revenue model -- >> there's a record for all-time highs this year, they have to be in the running. >> yes. >> it's almost like every day. >> this man is a quiet genius,
this ceo. and it's an incentive company. your kid knows that. every kid knows how to make something that used to take, you know, the best printers -- [ bell ringing ] >> there's the opening bell and big board at the bottom of the screen. mulesoft celebrating its ipo. we'll talk with the ceo on "squawk alley." at the nasdaq employment staffing company kelly services. we just got that i.p. number a few moments ago. the factory component up for the sixth straight month is the best since '08. so even though the goose egg on the headline manufacturing is taking off. >> look, this one-third of the economy could get to be more than one-third of the economy. i know we're a consumer spend economy. i am continually being impressed by the manufacturing economy and by the technology economy. i'm sorry just to dwell for a moment more about adobe, but adobe is an empowerment company. all of us can do -- and i've
been doing -- going back and forth with my daughter. let's do some stuff with adobe because you can make great creative things and make it look like it's been done by a very expensive company. this is the design for editing, sundance, everybody makes these movies at sundance, they use adobe. i wonder whether moonlight was -- >> they shot it for a million and a half, it's possible. >> i love that movie. >> adobe is the biggest gainer. second is going to be tiffany with a pretty decent outlook for the full year, jim. >> yeah. >> comps unchanged. >> it's funny because interim ceo, but they were more bullish than they've been. china sales very strong. and that was worth noting. this stock has been way up ever since they got activist come onboard. so it's impressive. i've always felt they have a price point that should do well if the world starts doing better. i was surprised china was so strong. that to me was the big takeaway. they actually referenced it as being strong. by the way, that's good for apple. >> it's good for, oh, apple.
simply shows willingness to spend on consumer products at a high -- >> right. not hong kong, but in china. >> understood. >> i keep hearing great things about the apple -- the next apple, the next phone. keep hearing things. a lot of components being ordered in china for the next phone. just hearing a lot of good things. i want to be so negative, i can't. >> pack crest out with a note on amazon today. >> yeah. >> trimming numbers on aws because they say microsoft and google are finally making some inroads. >> yeah, they could have added oracle because oracle and larry ellison took direct aim at amazon. ellison powerful competitor. i don't know, if you're going to send down amazon, there's so much business. amazon is trying to handle its business. i know from two companies that do the distribution and do the warehousing for amazon. don't cry for me, amazon. amazon is going to be fine. i would buy amazon if it gets too hard. >> you would buy amazon? >> because i don't think amazon web services is nearly as
threatened as that note indicates. >> also you point out the pie is growing quickly. >> oh, my, yes. >> even if your share is not growing quite as fast as it was, you're still going to have quite a growth rate. >> look, amazon is asking for more warehouses to be built in inner cities so it can do last touch. i mean, they just -- look, it's true that google got $400 million a year from our friends -- >> snap. >> how is -- doing. >> snap is not doing particularly well at least in the last week. >> crackle pop? >> below $20 for the first time since the ipo. >> i would say they better get their business -- they got to grow business because they owe $400 million to google whether they do good business or not. >> what are you looking at? >> interesting how they grouped, twitter, alibaba, snap, all of which went public in the last few years and then oracle and -- >> they need two winners and two losers. >> jim, you just retweeted
benioff, at the white house today? >> yes, he is. flew in from last night and wants to talk about, i think, look, what he wants to talk about is job growth. but i think that gender equality, this is good. i told him the message he should do is something he's been harping on and spoke at davos, which is what do we do with workers after they're displaced by brilliant technology? and we don't want to have two societies. and i thought that's my -- he's asking for anyone tell him what he wants, be open minded. i went to a speech where benioff said he's open minded and open heart toward the president. >> make sure he knows how to spell angela's name when you talk to him. >> nobody's perfect. >> k-e-l. >> you know what joey brown says, some like it hot. >> yes, last line. often number one on the funniest movies of all time. >> definitely, right? billy wilder, right? >> benioff has not met -- right, he hasn't been in those tech summits. >> no, but he's been i'd say
probably the most -- one of the most open minded people affiliated with president obama. look, everyone is open minded because if he wants to create jobs, everybody wants to create jobs. it's kind of a unifying concept that seems to transcend some of the other issues. it will be interesting to see what happens because this is like i said a fireworks meeting. this is not your typical meeting. i just don't think this is the same meeting where everybody's just -- >> there's a couple different wrinkles. there's some reports that she spoke to chinese president. she's going to the kremlin on may 1st. >> that's important. >> yep. >> now f we could get -- if they could get the sanctions lifted some degree in russia back, russia's already having a pretty good year, but it would matter. remember, the high water mark for european trade was when you were in sochi, right? that was the high water mark. >> yes, few years now. >> it's time to come back. i think merkel may know that. a lot of people want to do what
trump wants to do because they don't want to be on his bad side. >> yesterday talk dutch elections and said high water mark for nationalism. i didn't know if you meant that seriously or not. >> no, i think high watermark for let's say religious nationalist, anti-religious nationalist. i think that economic nationalism is very different than religious nationalism. i think they are very different things. >> yeah. interestingly, you know, neil kashkari is out with a medium post on why he dissented. and our steve liesman's going to bring us up to speed on that. good morning, steve. >> yeah, good morning, carl. neil kashkari explaining his dissent in an essay he just released and says the reason why he did not vote with the committee on the quarter-point increase is because inflation is still below target and that the fed is still coming up short on its 2% inflation goal. he wants the target to be a target, not a ceiling. he says he still sees slack that remains in the labor market. the labor market continues to grow so that means there's more slack there. he also says challenges remain
on minority unemployment. he prefers rather than hiking that the fed's next move should be to publish a detailed balance sheet reduction plan before the fed does further rate hikes. finally, he says i'm not following the markets here, financial markets are, quote, notoriously bad at forecasting political outcomes so be wary of what the market is saying. he's not incorporating fiscal plans into his outlook yet. he does point out that unlikely a market correction would trigger a financial crisis, carl. >> steve, he says he's not going to do an update after every meeting, but it's kind of interesting to have a fed president go on medium to explain his position. >> yeah, this is sort of normal. it's been a tradition rk actually, carl, after a president dissents, especially the first time they do come out and feel the need to explain their dissent. look, they're worth following. sometimes dissents can lead the way. sometimes they can lead you astray. it's been my experience covering these things over time it's always worth thinking about the reasons for the dissent to see
if it gives you any hint on where policy is going and whether he has a chance of bringing others onboard with his view. right now i would say majority is solidly on the other side of neil kashkari, but he's a smart man, thoughtful guy, former markets guy. worth following his opinion. >> we remember him well. thank you, steve liesman. we're following amgen as well. for that we're turning to meg tirrell this morning. >> hi, carl. amgen swinging down on repatha just presented this morning amgen down 6.5% on these results. these were important because investors wanted to see just how much their cholesterol drug could lower the risk of heart attacks and strokes. this was a 27,000 patient study and it showed on the primary goal of the study they reduced risk of heart attack, stroke and death of 15%. on a secondary study taking out -- reducing the risk of death they met 20% reduction of risk for heart attacks and
strokes. that falling far short of investors expectations for what it will take for insurers to start reimbursing these drug. they're already on the market but only bringing in about $140 million a year for amgen's repatha, also regeneron getting hit. they're competing with a similar drug in the same space. esperion down 27% on the results and the medicine company -- same target, not same target but in similar space. so this hitting cholesterol stocks hard. amgen down 6.5% as folks worry these are not enough though reduce the risk of heart attack to boost insurance reimbursement for these drugs, carl. >> an interesting day in your space, meg. thank you for that. dow's up 12, mcdonald's leading as credit suisse quarter is going well on comps. >> easterbrook, one trick pony, one trick pony, the guy is bringing in technology that's going to change the speed of how long it takes and be able to look, i'm telling you, he's got the franchise buy-in.
he's doing such a remarkable job. the other day someone saying you're like his buddy. no, i happen to like egg mcmuffins. they're 330 calories, david. have you ever been to a mcdomd's? >> yes. not in a long time. >> have you actually eaten there? >> well, yeah, back when i was a young boy we used to go to the one in forest hills. >> no, i'm talking last year. >> right there austin street. >> you've been to one last year? >> no. >> you haven't seen the revolution occurring. >> no. >> the revolution will be televised. >> i went to get a shake not that long ago and they changed the whole vanilla shake thing. >> they have a st. patrick's day shake. they have a green shake. the wife said we got to have the shake. shamrock shake. the wife said we have to have the shake. i said we can't, i'm trying to lose weight. >> everything in moderation. let's get to bob pisani see what's moving on the floor. hey, bob. >> good morning, carl. nice volume at the bottom. a lot of volume at the open and
a lot of volume at the close on the rebalancing. right now let's take a look. we have what we've seen for a while, tech leadership and leadership in health care, but again this continuation of what i call rotation. stuff that's beaten up last few weeks has done better this week. so nothing ever really falls apart anymore. energy came as close as you possibly could get. that was down about 10% at the maximum, but so far this week gold's up 2%, that had gotten beaten up. russell 2000, small cap index, worries about that earlier, that's up 1.3%. reits are up, energy stocks which were the worst performers for a long time, they're up. so this rotation helps keep the market going here basically, so s&p 500 up fractionally as some of the laggards are up. there are a couple laggards out there, but again, not to any great extent. so banks, kbe, down fractionally for the week, it's been drifting around for the last month. we all know that yields have been backing up here. but again, with the kbe down that's the major bank etf down a half a percent, i wouldn't call
that -- there's your drift around, i wouldn't call that any serious move to the downside. the other move we're watching x transports here. it's been a rough week for the airlines, many down 7%, 8%, 9%, not just airlines but some of the railroads. norfolk southern has had a weak time of it. but i wouldn't say it's the start of any decline, just the weakest out there and stands out because there's very few signs of real weakness out there. meantime waiting for mulesoft here. we don't have any indications on it but original talk was $12 to $14. they upped to $14 to $16 and priced at $17. so here's a tech ipo that's doing very well. and they use the technology to stitch together different apps for companies to make integration better, integration being a big theme overall. so tech ipos are starting to materialize finally. you know how many we had in january and february? zero. zero tech ipos in january and february. so far in march we've had three. we had snap, presidio and now
mulesoft. next week a data analytics firm going public, so that will be four in the month of march. again, my theme finally starting to open up, there's going to be a week in april, guys, we're going to see seven, eight, nine ipos coming in a single week. that's my story, i'm sticking to it. one that we're looking for today is a big oil services firm, propetrol holding, story here, they priced it at $14. price talk was $16 to $19. so there you go the difficulty of getting an oil service firm out in this kind of environment where oil is not going anywhere. there are several oil firms that are out there, fracking companies, oil service companies waiting to go public and will be watching this one very carefully. as for canada goose, i would call that a very mixed open yesterday. it's true $12.78, opens at $18 certainly looks like a success. but there were 2.3 million shares, carl, that traded at $18
and immediately went down towards $16. there were a lot of people who bought at that open who were losers on the day overall. even though the initial price was higher, the final trading price was higher than initial price, all of those millions of retail owners who bought at the open, they were under water by the end of the day. i call that a very mixed open for canada goose. right now the dow up 6.5. waiting indications for mulesoft. >> thank you very much. >> stick with it. don't sell canada goose. we recommended it hard last night on "mad money." i think there's many good things happening. the apparel stock of choice for growth managers. hold it. >> you've been kind of focused on have been these ipos, even retail. >> hard to get through right now. highest quality material is getting through this chut including mulesoft and canada goose. later on when bob says, seven, eight, then we'll be saying stay away but these are high quality companies getting through the
chute right now. don't dismiss mulesoft. very strong. let's get to eamon javers who will raise the curtain not just bilateral, eamon, with merkel and the president but some of these german ceos as well. >> that's right, carl. the honor guard from the u.s. military is here in the krdrivey at the white house getting in position to honor angela merkel as she comes to visit with donald trump today. we're getting a list now some of the german ceos participating in a roundtable discussion here at the white house, they're going to be talking about trade and also apprenticeship and job training for blue collar workers. the ceos that we have on the list today haralbmw, siemens, and abigail marie davis of schaeffler will be here as well. we have andrew liveris, ginny rimty and marc benioff, and i
can tell you, guys, the last time they did a ceo roundtable here at the white house, one of the big topics of conversation was the way in which the germans do vocational technical education. that was something that a number of the ceos on the u.s. side raised here at the white house. they said that's a model for american companies as they consider how to boost u.s. employment, u.s. jobs. that's something that this white house has taken to heart. they're going to be discussing it today and obviously a couple examples of successful apprenticeship programs will be here at the white house as well, carl. >> eamon, we look forward to hearing more about that this morning and this afternoon before the president goes to palm beach for the weekend. eamon javers, we'll be coming back to you. let's check on the bond pits as well. good morning once again, rick. >> good morning, carl. there was a feeling as i talked to traders on the floor that rates have come down a lot and we rallied a lot. we did rally and rates did come down, i guess a lot we could put
in air quotes. one-week of twos down one on the day, down three on the week. one-week of tens down three on the day, down six on the week. so down half a dozen basis points on the week. you can really see it show up in the following chart. this is a one-week of tens minus twos. so you've definitely seen it flatten a bit as it hovers at 1.20ish, but i do caution this chart, you know, you kind of see the high and low of the yield curve, but not the closes. if you're looking on a closing basis as you see down three on twos, down six on tens, not nearly as much as the intraday extremes would dictate. a year-to-date of the hyg, i don't show this often, i've been showing for a couple of weeks, it can be like the dollar index, kind of a bellwether for bigger issues. this may be the level of calmness or however you want to phrase that spectrum of the fixed income market in general. now it's coming back a bit as the price goes up i would think the spreads are going to tighten. and if high yield trades well,
of course treasuries are going to trade even better if hi yield doesn't trade well, sometimes treasuries trade better too. it's a weird relationship when you reach for yield and take a lesser credit. now, one-week of the dollar index fascinating. so this is pretty easy. we're down over a penny on the week. and since we settle at 102.20, we're currently trading 115. i don't need to be a genius in math to know that's down close to 2% for the year. and that is really a huge story. is mario draghi going to raise rates while they're still doing quantitative easing even though it's going to be less quantitative easing? i don't know. but there's something strange going on with this market. look at a november 1st euro versus the dollar. our central bank has actually tightened three times. the euro is toying with 108. as a matter of fact the opposite problem is the yield curve. if you were to look at about 40 days of intraday trading for the euro, you'll find in early february it was popping through 108. but as you see on that chart it didn't settle above 1.08. what do you think the big
closing resistance is going to be? you got it. 1.08. back to you. >> thank you very much. when we come back we'll hear more from wells fargo ceo tim sloan. this is him talking to wilfred frost about deregulation. >> we made some mistakes. we made some significant mistakes. we've owned up to them. and we're making a lot of progress.
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time for jim and stop trading. >> there's incredibly important note that has come out this morning from wells fargo. and it's driving starbucks. starbucks has been very underperforming stock, why? people feel they're in trouble in mobile pay because of the inability to have throughput. this note says don't worry, second half is going to reaccelerate. and they are basically saying, look, this is going to be strong new store growth trends and
perhaps they can solve some of this mobile pay, but it's getting the stock going. my travel trust owns it. it's been a dog of late, but we've own it forever. and i still believe in kevin johnson, who's now going to be running the whole show. and howard schultz to be able to fix -- and adam brockman to be able to fix mobile pay. and they know how i feel about it. they know i'm tired of waiting. yes, i'm -- anyway, i think it might get better there. >> we know coffee chains are outpacing the industry overall, right? >> right. >> that's why mcdonald's is expanding. >> coffee is good. i just want it fast. that's all. >> what's on mad tonight? >> we're focused on deregulation. and we brought in the expert rusty braziel and he knows what it means for the oil patch most jobs will be created and it's mostly through pipeline when you discover how much buying u.s. steel for pipeline, not necessarily u.s. steel, this time new corp, we're putting it together because this is where jobs are being created and rusty knows all about it. >> solid week.
>> yeah. mu mulesoft. >> you're off to -- >> get scoops on deutschete and craft heinz. >> you go. >> whoever comes second has to, quote, sources the other one? >> yes. i'm not going to do one of those european news things like they did for msci. >> they make it up. >> i'm doing the real thing. >> i know you are. >> i am after your beat. but had you worn a green tie i might have thought otherwise. >> that's all right. you're not going to get there. >> when we come back we'll count down to the president's meeting with the german chancellor. also ahead, deregulation nation from stocks to the economy, more on what the president's push to scale back on regs could mean for your money.
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rick. >> absolutely. we'll start with our leading indicator read, that's for february, that's up 0.6 leading economic indicators, a bit stronger than expected and follows an unrevised 0.6. to the meat of the matter. let's look university of michigan, this is a march preliminary read. we'll drop this off in about two and a half weeks, that read is 97.6. now, we were expected a number around about 97. this is a strong number and follows an unrevised 96.3. and before 96.3 for january we had 98.5, which was the highest read since january of 2004. so this is a strong read really on both of these. and confidence indices have been running on the hot side. i don't see much market movement on this, but the dollar index once again has shifted negative. and it shifted actually right before these numbers came out. sara, back to you. >> maybe the market is getting used to those better confidence reads, rick, thank you. rick santelli in chicago. cnbc today highlighting a pillar
of president trump's economic agenda, that would be deregulation, what impact it will have on the stock market and who stands to benefit. our kayla tausche has the story for us this morning. kayla. >> good morning, sara. well, much of president trump's input on regulation has come directly from ceos, so it's not surprising the resulting actions have been favorable to business. the president's executive orders have done everything from setting up a regulatory reform task force to find inervegtive rules to disincentivizing the creation of new rules and freezing or rolling back regulations put in place under president obama. on that last note, congress is doing that using a little known and rarely used authority that until now let's them reverse regulations past since roughly june, about a dozen rules so far relating to labor law reporting and disclosing energy payments on federal lands have been rolled back. so how much does it cost? well, senator john thune who chairs the senate republican conference estimates what's been done in both branches so far has
saved $50 billion in long-term compliance costs and 46 million hours of paperwork. now, each rule alone might seem niche but together they have a real impact, a slow build won't be reversed overnight. >> yes, it has definitely grown over the last eight years, but this has been piled on for 20, 30 years. and it's a 2.3 total cumulative impact of $2.3 trillion. >> that's just one industry. some of the most meaningful deregulation in the meantime will come from the agency level. they have the authority to change rules within their purview. we got one example today, the fed raising threshold of bank mergers that get heavy scrutiny to $100 billion from the previous $25 billion. so now analysts say look for banks with $10 billion to $50 billion in assets to merge tie up otherwise under the previous regime wouldn't dare.
m & t bank announced acquisition in 2012 of hudson city but took three years for the fed to give that deal a green light, even though it is above the threshold now, take a look what the stock has done since the election. it's up about 43%. and the regional bank index is doing much the same because of those large expectations, guys. >> i know republicans, kayla, seem to universally agree at least for the moment that deregulation is a helpful thing for this economy, it will unleash jobs and create all sorts of activity, but especially on banks i just wonder when the democrats are going to start kicking and screaming about this. and not just democrats, opponents, the financial crisis wasn't that long ago, which was largely a result of a sector being too deregulated. so there's a limit to this, isn't there? >> right. some of the expectation is that what congressman jeb hensarling will be putting forward, what he's calling the financial choice act this summer, will become a highly partisan fight. which is why it's so hard to predict exactly what new bank
regulation will look like because there is going to be a very tough fight put up by the democrats who will argue that it was the banks that caused the financial crisis and therefore these regulations are needed to stem another one, at least stem the issues that we saw in the last crisis from cropping up their heads again. we'll see exactly what gets done, but there's some big pieces of legislation that are coming down the pike, guys. >> all right, kayla, thank you. kayla tausche in washington, d.c. speaking of deregulation, by the way, wells fargo ceo tim sloan sat down with our own wilfred frost for a cnbc exclusive. wilfred is here onset to share highlights. >> we of course discussed the topic of deregulation with the ceo of the nation's second biggest bank. capital rules of course are very important for banks. i asked him whether in an ideal world his capital level would be lower than it is now. >> it would be a little bit lower than it is right now. our minimum capital requirements
by regulation are 9%. we think it's prudent to operate with a bit of a cushion, so that brings us up to 10%. we ended the year at about 10.7, 8, 9, something in that range. so over time we'd like to get down to that 10% level. we don't need to do it day one, but over time we want to return more of our excess capital to our shareholders. >> i also asked about deregulation of the financial sector more broadly. this is what he's looking for. >> the important thing is to look at what's good for the economy, what's good for the economy is economic growth and more job creation. that's the focus. if that happens, that's good for banks, that's good for wells fargo, that's good for everybody. >> now, one area of regulation that wells fargo has failed on in recent years is the living will test. they passed three years ago then failed the last two years. i asked what would happen if they failed for a third time in a row. >> my guess if we fail it three
times in a row i probably won't be sitting here for the next interview, so i understand that. we were very disappointed that we failed. we let our shareholders down. we let our regulators down. that is not going to happen. our team has been working incredibly hard to make sure that we're responding to the concerns about legal entities and shared services that we heard from the fdic and the fed. and i'm confident in our team and i'm confident in the resubmission that we'll be sending in later this month. >> aside from the topic of deregulation we also discussed the sales practice scandal. >> we made some mistakes. we made some significant mistakes. we've owned up to them. and we're making a lot of progress. we apologize to all of our stake holders for letting them down. we are making changes to make it right by our customers, by our team members, fixing what was broken and building a better bank. >> much more on that particular topic later in the day including his own defense of his pay increase last year despite that
scandal. also, some clear comments on loan growth and what the fed interest rate hike means for wells fargo. >> i liked his answer on living wills. he at least is straightforward about the fact it's all on him. he was cfo, so it's not as though he hasn't been involved in previous strategy and/or dealing with that particular area. >> when they failed that living will scandal last year, the second year in a row, it's a huge shock for the market but came in light of the sales practice scandal, almost lost enough negative focus, made a joke losing his job if that happened. also in light of trump's first 100 days and said his first 156 days felt like 156 years. >> didn't wells fargo, wilfred, didn't get incredibly lucky by the fact president trump got elected and the pabanks just to off not to mention interest rates tick up. >> absolutely. asked him given the reaction since the recovery had there
been an overreaction last fall to the sales scandal and said, no, was owning up to those mistakes. in terms of the actual impact on the earnings and the sales that they're facing, he's also got some more comments on that coming up later in the day. >> i mean, you're looking at 59, that's 20% above the level where the shares were pre-scandal. >> well, that is is true, but if you look at it relative in terms of market cap to the other banks and the gains they've had, they still lost a lot of market cap from the scandal. you're right, interest rates picking up is a big thing for the sector and massively outweighs the earnings impact. warren buffett said to becky quick a couple weeks ago, long term will this have an impact he didn't think so but in the short term huge. but admits later on in the clips we've got they underestimated a fallout from a pr standpoint. >> i remember you saying a number of times as well. wilfred, stay with us because we have to talk about this other top story. the president set to meet with german chancellor angela merkel
today at the white house. merkel expected to have several german leading ceos of germany to promote germany's trade relationship with the united states. of course top of mind has to be those comments from president trump's senior trade advisor a few weeks ago, peter navarro, who's been critical of germany's trade policy while calling their currency valuation exploitative. u.s. is the top buyer of u.s.-german exports and we have a trade deficit, something that president trump has gone after countries for with germany, it's not the biggest, but it's the third biggest behind china and japan. what are you watching today? >> well, listen, i think the biggest thing chancellor merkel will be coming across to say is are you behind the eu or not? because that's caused a great about of ire domestically in europe. the fact he's not only not backed the idea of european integration but actively
campaigned for the likes of brexit and sort of almost baited europe to suggest that europe's going to break down. so i think she's got reason to push back. one thing she could offer for example would be to commit to the nato 2% defense spending. but what i think is perhaps slightly underestimated here is how confident angela merkel will be with dealing with a leader that disagrees with her. she's been in power for a long time. she's faced this sort of conflict before with vladimir putin, plenty of times over the last five years, and i think this is a different type of meeting than say when prime minister may or prime minister abe came over. angela merkel's also got an election to fight for coming up soon. she'll have to fly her flag herself because the people back home in germany are watching this. so i think it's going to be more conflicting than perhaps people expect. she's not going to cater to what donald trump wants. >> certainly jim's point this morning when he said you got maybe the world's biggest nationalist official talking -- having a bilateral with the world's biggest globalist. but does the result in the netherlands this week give her a little more ammo that perhaps
the disintegration of the union is not happening as quickly as some thought? >> probably gives her more confidence, but i don't think that lessens her conviction that donald trump's rhetoric against the eu project is something she wants to stand up against. i think the nato point is clear that donald trump has a lot of ammunition there, sara's point on trade clearly a lot of ammunition, but she's not one to muddy her view or soften her rhetoric. with an election coming up, i think she's going to come in with a strong -- >> though she is a smart and experienced world leader, as you mentioned she's been in power 11 years. this is her third u.s. administration she's dealt with. president clinton, president obama, president trump. yes, a more contentious backdrop, but she knows how important the security relationship and that trade relationship is. the two global powerhouses of the western hemisphere. >> absolutely right. and i don't think she's one that's going to air the laundry publicly. i don't think this will come out in the press conference. she speaks perfect english. she never does anything in english. she keeps it clean, sticks to
script. she'll challenge him privately. i'm fascinated to see what type of stepdown president trump gives if any. coming into all of these meetings, china, japan, uk, there's been contentious topics going in and come out with some kind of bone to give to his opposition. >> yeah. a lot of people say a lot depends on who gets called on in the joint news conference this afternoon. >> no, no, it's will it be a hug or a handshake? >> exactly right. that gets a lot of focus. maybe he'll leave the meeting today in a bmw or something like that. we'll have to see. >> learn more in a few hours. wilf, thanks. >> pleasure. when we come back talk to former health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius. dow's up 14. stay with us. that schwab billbo. oh, not so fast, carl. ♪ oh no. schwab, again? index investing for that low? that's three times less than fidelity...
now i'm mashing these potatoes with my stick of butter... why don't you sit over here. something for everyone is awesome. find your awesome with the xfinity stream app. more to stream to every screen. with the new gop health care bill in the works, changes are on the horizon, but the industrial still divided on the impact of the proposed reforms. joining us on the phone is kathleen sebelius, former health and human services secretary under president obama. madame secretary, good to have you back. good morning. >> good morning, carl. how are you? >> i'm good. i'm trying to keep pace with everyone's opinion on this matter. i see susan collins is out today saying she can't vote for this in its current form. what kind of chances are you giving it right now at least? >> well, i think that as i said from the beginning, i'm not sure what the republican goal is.
and they seem to have done a pretty good job of making everybody unhappy. so on one hand there are definitely republicans who feel we need to protect the coverage of people who have gained coverage under the act. we've got the lowest uninsured numbers ever in the history of this country. and susan collins is a great example of somebody who says we don't want to take a step back. on the other hand you have conservatives who say far too much of the original affordable care act of obamacare is still left and we need to roll more back. so i don't know how they move. right now i think the numbers are pretty terrible where you have projected about 14 million people who immediately lose coverage and then over time an additional 10 million people lose coverage. and if you go into cbo, what they're projecting is that a lot
of older, lower income americans who won't be medicare eligible yet but will be priced out of the marketplace. and that is a pretty terrifically bad swing to make in this country where older americans will take the brunt of this plan, poorer americans will take the brunt of the plan and richer and healthier folk will continue to be fine. >> so what do you think are easy adjustments that would matter, that would be of scale? some have suggested if you did away with the penalty for interrupting continuous coverage could that reach across the aisle? i see peggy nunen out today saying the president has to make this more of a bipartisan effort. is there something you would be happy with? >> well, i think that the certainly the level of
subsidies, the amount of resources available to people to help them buy their own health insurance need to go up. and also needs to have some kind of income variation. right now it doesn't matter if you make $25,000 a year or $70,000 a year, you get the same amount of subsidy depending on age. the other thing that they've done is i think change the age ban so that insurance companies in the future could charge older americans five times what they can charge other americans. those two issues getting changed, putting some subsidy money back in, looking at that age issue and what it does to older americans in terms of their premiums, the estimation is it will add at least $3,500 to everybody's costs. so for me i'm about covering people, but i don't think that's the main goal of the republican
plan. i think it's to save the federal government money. and if you do that, you then shift costs to individuals, you shift costs to states and local governments and that's exactly what this plan has done. >> i mean, they've argued a number of times, madame secretary, that they don't want to pull the rug out from anyone and they want to give consumers more choices. i know, you know, you're not a stranger to defending obamacare, this was his legacy legislation and you were there to implement it. but can you at least sympathize with the main republican argument that it's too expensive, premiums increasing double digits, it doesn't give enough consumer choices and it's very complex? >> well, again, i certainly am sympathetic to those arguments. they don't necessarily bear out in fact. only 3%, 3% of the people in the marketplace paid rate increases
last year. yes, premiums went up, insurance companies adjusted prices, which is not unusual in a brand new market. but the way the subsidies were organized, consumers did not pay those increases. so while the increases are cited, that is not what consumers saw. choice is very important. and restoring the kind of risk pool putting in place a public option, allowing an additional company to have competition, that would be terrific. but that means that stable marketplace, not doing what the republicans are doing which is kind of changing the rules mid game. that's bound to drive companies out of the marketplace. and what everybody wants, whether they're in obamacare or employee-based insurance, they want their out of pocket costs to go down, not up. they want to make sure that they have coverage and don't pay out of pocket. and nothing in this plan addresses that.
>> one last question just on process and the calendar. there are 42 weeks left in the year. congress is scheduled to be in recess for 16 of those 42. so at what point do you think the administration has to cut bait and move onto something else? >> well, i think it depends what we saw in the early days of the obama administration is that the president was committed to using the moment in time to pass a major health reform. there were lots of people who argued he spent too much time doing it, he spent too much political capital doing it, but it impacted positively millions and millions of people. i think this is a decision the president is going to have to make along the way. he cannot walk away from this bill. he can't blame anybody else. the republicans own all the real
estate, they control the house, senate and presidency. they have promised now for seven years that this was their number one priority. so as they go forward and how much time and how much capital is spent is really their decision. >> and i would just point out, madame secretary, that obamacare was signed into law march 23, 2010, so it actually took about a year into the from where we are right now in that term. >> you bet. 15 months in the president had a bill on his desk. and in some ways that was record time, in other ways people felt that was way too much time. so, again, that's a decision that really starts with the president, how much of his political capital, how much of his time in office does he want to dedicate to this. and at the end of the day what the result will be in terms of, you know, who gets help and who gets hurt. >> kathleen sebelius on the
ahca, appreciate your time. thanks so much. talk to you soon. >> great to visit with you. bye-bye. happy st. patrick's day. >> same to you. as we were talking we have propetrol at the exchange opening, up about 6%. mulesoft indicated $22 to $24. >> this came in priced below the range of $16 through $19, but you are getting a 6% pop here at least at the open. it priced at $14 a share. it's an oil services company that helps frackers mainly in the permian basin. >> before that we'll talk a bit about deregulation. the president of course stressing deregulation across all sectors, most notably pharmaceuticals where he hopes to help drug companies get their products to market faster, though he also wants those drug prices down. meg tirrell has a lot more on the entire subject. meg. >> hey, david, you hit the nail on the head there this dynamic what trump has talked about in the drug industry.
he always talks about getting prices down but at the same time he usually follows up and says he wants to get products through the fda faster. his designated person for getting that done is fda commissioner nominee scott gottlieb, folks were pretty happy when he was nominated at least in the industry because he has talked about bringing a lot of the regulations streamlining through the fda. where is that lead going to focus? there was a bill approved last year that already has a lot of things included in it focusing on speeding drugs to market. so we could see impacts on rare disease drugs, also complex generics, things like the epipen trying to make sure there aren't situations like that where competitors can get to market and help bring prices down. and also in mobile health technology. gottlieb has written quite a bit about this trying to help companies like apple in the space where regulations have been a bit murky. where could we see the stock impact? companies like vertex, sarepta
and alexion, could benefit from the fda trying to streamline drugs through the process. complex generics, biggest generics, mylan, teva and novartis. as we're talking about drugs and speeding things through the fda, we have to talk about the other big drug story this morning and that's amgen's cholesterol drug results in a big study there driving amgen's stock down more than 6%. this hitting makers of cholesterol drugs across the board including regeneron which has a direct competitor and locked in a patent battle right now. esperion and medicines company as well. back to jou. >> you have to wonder whether we'll see deregulation or more regulation for those drug makers on prices, meg, thank you. as we head to break another look at propetrol just opening for trading moments ago here on the new york stock exchange floor. we're going to talk to the ceo. the stock is up 6%. much more "squawk on the street" straight ahead.
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okay. fake media. and there is no good news about obamacare. obamacare's dead. unless we gave it massive subsidies, it's not going to be here. when they say there will be more people on the plan, there aren't going to be anybody on the plan. people don't know what to do. it's a disaster. obamacare's dead. nothing to do with these people, nothing to do with me. it's on respirator. and it's just about ready to implode. now, we could wait for six months or a year and let it happen. it's not the right thing to do for the people. this is a great plan. this is going to be fantastic. you're going to have bidding at the one level by insurance companies. and remember this, remember this, those lines are going to come out, you're going to have bidding by insurance companies like you've never seen before. plans are going to come out like
nobody's ever seen before. plans nobody's even thought of now are going to be devised by insurance companies to take care of people. and we're going to take care of people at all levels. so i just want to let the world know i am 100% in favor. these folks, and they are tough, and they love their constituents, and they love this country, these folks were nos, mostly nos. >> that's correct. >> yesterday. and now every single one is a yes. and i just want to thank you. we're going to have a health care plan that's going to be second to none. it's going to be great. and the people will see that. by the way, it will take a little while because before it all kicks in, and welds together, takes a little while. with obamacare it got worse and worse. premiums went up 116%, they went up 58%. the governor of minnesota said the affordable care act, obamacare, is no longer
affordable. that's what he said. the affordable care act is no longer affordable. and he's a guy that he's a good democrat, he wanted obamacare. he said it's no longer affordable. obamacare is not an alternative. it's not there. it's dead. dead. so i just want to say thank you very much. i really appreciate it. 100% of the nos are yeses. some of them were strong noes. we had a couple that were mixed. but i just want to thank you folks. and we're going to have a great, great health care plan. thank you very much. >> thank you, mr. president. >> all right. that's the oval. and a reflection of how much time and effort the president is now spending on this top legislative priority. as you heard meeting with gop lawmakers saying that every one of them was against the bill prior, now for the bill. as he has taken this on whether
it's talking to ryan on a daily basis, going to nashville, having events like this. >> we haven't heard him call it trumpcare yet, but yes, he is coming out in favor very much, very publicly trying to play down the fault lines that were exposed, i think, in the republican party since this legislation was unveiled just last week? >> yes. it hasn't really been that long. and of course saying many of the things we've heard from them before that obamacare was going to collapse from its own weight, given the lack of competition in the state market, certainly in some states at least where premiums have gone up and where you haven't had enough people who are not sick, younger people in particular, signing up to sort of generate a risk pool that insurers want to take on. bidding like you've never seen before, he says, will take place amongst insurers. and plans like you've never seen before. >> underscoring the fact that this is going to be more competitive and there are going to be more choices for consumers. and we have yet to see really the market impact on that. also, you kind of got the argument from how they're going
to combat this idea that the cbo says that more people will be uninsured versus obamacare. he said obamacare's going to be dead. people won't even be on it because it's so expensive and it's so limiting. so that's clearly the line of thinking of how they're going to continue to bill this. >> the continued line they've been using for some time, perhaps working with some of those undecided votes. well, let's move on as well. optimism on proposed deregulation continues to buoy the market, but veteran investor morris mark not buying into it until he sees implementation of reforms. he's joining us now at post nine from mark asset management, of course. morris, nice to have you as always. >> nice to see you, david. >> you and i always talk media and telecom, one of your areas of expertise 20 years ago or more at this point. >> it's true. >> i was talking earlier on the show one of the key beneficiaries it would seem of a light touch fcc, do you see that as happening? does that change your view at all when it comes to that sector you know well? >> well, it's sort of work in
the direction that we thought it would. we try not to predict, but we want to be prepared. and i guess we were prepared for somebody who i think wants to encourage more investment in more transmission. he wants to encourage it with existing broadband. he wants to encourage it with 5g and we think we're well positioned for that. >> how are you positioned then when we talk about net neutrality going away at least titled to regulation or broadband? or privacy regulations going away to a certain extent? or a lot of things just simply being lifted off many of the incumbents in these markets. do you own them? >> i think we do. i think we own the right ones. we've been invested in either charter or liberty broadband for over four years. now it's liberty broadband because we'd rather be john mallone's partner than his limited partner. we think that the opportunity for the big broadband cable
companies now is increasing because, one, they've got a great business. two, the demand for broadband is increasing. three, the ability to tie that to wi-fi makes it raeally usefu when everybody's walking around with mobile devices. and four, there is going to be 5g. it's not dpoigoing to happen to maybe not even tomorrow, but it's happening. and they're in a fulcrum position, anybody who wants to provide 5g services needs backhaul. they need the broadband capacity these companies have. and these companies can set up their own 5g now with the nvo licenses they have from verizon. so we think it's in a great spos. >> right. although that does also sometimes bring talk of potential consolidation between the broadband providers, if we want to call them that such as our parent company comcast and some of the wireless providers. >> i think that's really possible now because as you say when you have a regulatory
framework that wants to encourage investment, wants to encourage more capacity and better service, it's not, i think, going to be blinded by the fact that you have a traditional wireless company getting to some sort of strategic relationship with a traditional broadband company. they're all involved in communications. and the whole idea is how do you get better communications for less money? >> i see you had some thoughts on tax reform. i wonder how you're balancing waiting for clarity on the policy versus waiting too long and having these names all run up in advance? >> well, i think number one is to own a great business. number two, to realize that some things already happening as we talked about in terms of the fcc, we know that everybody that's being appointed wants to operate government with a lighter touch. so that's going to help a lot of businesses. but i think there are some companies that are operating well now that will do better
when we have tax reform. look at apple with $250 billion of frozen capital. that's not doing anybody any good. and i think we want to encourage that money being brought back here. google's got $70 billion or $80 billion. i mean, we're talking everett dirkson's old line, a billion here, a billion there are. >> starting to add up. what will you do with it? will it be returned to you for stock repurchases or just buy stuff? >> i think a penny for what they should do, but i think your friend larry kudlow has put it, shareholders aren't a bunch of wealthy people, shareholders are institutions trying to protect pension funds. public pension funds that are underfunded. if they get money back, they're going to be stronger. and they'll figure out what to do with it. but i think a lot of the companies will use it strategically. i think apple should.
>> you do? >> one last thing. are you prepped for policy disappointment? >> that's why you want to own great names. as long as the prices are attractive. you do know we have dereg, you do know the economy's getting better and you do know that inflation is starting to inch up. so you want to own businesses that can do well now as long as the prices are right and that are really going to do much better when the world gets better. >> always good advice, morris, thank you. >> you're welcome. >> morris mark. >> let's get to sue herera get a news update here. hey, sue. >> good morning, carl. good morning everyone. here's what's happening at this hour. secretary of state rex tillerson visiting the demilitarized zone that separates north and south korea. he posed for photos, spoke with soldiers and later he held a joint news conference with his south korean counterpart with a warning to north korea. >> let me be very clear, the policy of strategic patience has ended. we're exploring a new range of
diplomatic, security and economic measures. all options are on the table. >> a house in maryland suburb of washington, d.c. was leveled by an explosion heard for miles around early this morning. the blast shattered windows, caused other damage to several neighbors homes. occupants of the home have not yet been accounted for. and the cause of the blast is under investigation. and google and levi's have created a smart jean jacket that lets you control your phone with your sleeve. the jacket uses technology that's been under development by google since 2015. it will retail for about $350. it should hit stores this fall. i don't know if you want to do that while you're on a bike, but nonetheless there you have it. that's the news update this hour, sara, back downtown to you. >> yeah, usually you don't bike in denim either. >> yeah, exactly. who knew? >> who knew? maybe it will be useful to some people. sue, thank you. >> you're welcome. >> shares of propetrol holding corporation going public today here at the nyse.
just opening moments ago for trading. the stock is up 6.4%. and joining us here at post nine, dale redman, the ceo and founder of propetrol. good morning. >> good morning, sara. >> congratulations. so the stock actually priced a little bit below the range but did open a little higher. everybody was watching this to see whether the oil sector was back. why now? >> well, i think number one we were motivated to be on the exchange for access to capital, to help our customers grow, and it was also driven by the opportunity that it aligns itself with our employee base. and when you're aligned with your employee base and your customer base, you can give them every opportunity to succeed. and this platform allows us to do that. >> so your primary business is fracking services, right in the permian basin, mainly, which is sort of texas, new mexico. >> yes. >> how much has the region seen
as prices come back from the 20s all the way to the 50s? >> obviously you guys have seen the shale revolution that's gone on. through this downturn it's established itself somewhat inelastic to what's going on in oil prices. so if you're going to be in a cyclical business, you better be positioned in the low cost basin. and that's what we've done. and we'll continue to do with this offering. >> yeah, i mean, permian is the lowest cost. and certainly the most productive, but it hasn't meant that it hasn't put pressure on you in terms of the services you provide. and i would note, i mean, your revenues decline from call it $570 million in '15 to $437 million in '16 and your gross margins also fell. >> sure. >> even though you managed to go public. not bad. but do you turn that around? and when? >> well, i think you have to do it simultaneous with the economics of what your customers are faced with. and we've done a really nice job through the company's history to align ourself with customers that look at this as a long term
marathon race, so to speak. and take out some of those bumps. it's a real challenge. and it's been a real challenge across the energy space over the last two years. and you can only be waterboarded so long before you come up for air. and it's very encouraging what's going on in the business community, looking at things globally with oil prices. i think a recovery is in order, and we wanted to set the company up for that recovery. >> obviously has huge implications on the labor market. >> yes. >> in your area of the country, up north. >> yes. >> are there going to be enough workers if production continues to ramp? >> we think so. and we're in a part of the world you guys know where we are and you better know the makeup of that employee base. the hispanic community is really helped build our company and grow our company. it will continue to be a big
part of the backbone of the employee base in that part of the region. and you empower it. you embrace that. and it's a beautiful thing to watch every day. and that's a large part of why we think we'll be able to attract, retain and motivate the workforce. >> well, i mean, you must be watching president trump very closely, not just on that front with immigration but he wants to deregulate the energy industry. deregulation is a huge theme for us. what are you expecting in terms of shale production and actual policies we'll get from washington? >> from a macro perspective i think the way things are going i think everybody would agree this administration's going to be pro business. and he's surrounding himself with a cabinet that has made a lot of money and have done things the right way. and to see those guys divest of holdings to help this country is quite humbling as i watch it
unfold. and that's not without its consequences and challenges. but i hope everybody will get behind the administration. he's our president. and he deserves the opportunity to help our country in the manner that he drives it and his cabinet drives it. >> yeah, rick perry, his energy secretary, good choice? >> well, yes. i think he knows the landscape. he knows the energy markets. and we wish him the best. obviously he's a texan. so i think that's good for the country. and it will be great. >> thank you for joining us to talk about that and the new ipo, propetro trading right here at the big board. stock up just about $15 a share, dale redman founder and ceo. >> nice symbol too. >> thank you very much. when we come back, former u.s. trade rep michael froman will join us with what to expect from the president's meeting with angela merkel.
time now for the san tellte exchange. we need rick santelli, here he is. >> thanks, david. i'll tell you what, jim bianco, one of my favorite guests. you always have such interesting takes on everything, especially the fed. so, we have a rally that many just can't put 100% confidence behind, okay. maybe there's a faith aspect to this. maybe it's more about the last administration or the administration that never existed because trump won. we'll never know. >> uh-huh. >> but you've given high marks
to the way the market's responded considering we've had three fed tightening. why don't you tell us about it? >> people ask me the question all the time, what happens when the fed tightens, i always respond, why are they tightening? if the fed is tightening because there's a fear of fear of infla they have to slay the inflation monster, you get a completely different response out of a tightening cycle than if they think real growth is just leaping ahead and they're trying to return to normal, which is what they're doing now. after three tightenings, the stock market's up 15% since december of 2015. >> how does that rank historically? >> number one. it's the best return ever for the stock market and into the third tightening that we've ever seen. why? because they're not trying to slay inflation. they're trying to return to normal and bring real growth back. now, if we get inflation, that will change everything. i happen to believe that might be a story for 2018, but it's not a story right now. >> now, when you were telling me this, and i always love to listen to you, my question was, well, people are questioning, just like the market, whether the growth is going to show up,
but you had a very unique answer. >> as far as the growth showing up, i think what you're going to see happen with the market is it's going to show up in various ways. it's showing up in the belief of the soft data rather than the hard data that's going forward, and there's a hope in the market that you're going to see the data show up and that you're going to see the growth come. >> what about those that are looking to retire, those that are 55 or older? you know, do you have any advice for them? it's always a little dicier for that group to jump into the stock market, to try to feather their retirement nest. >> i think that if you look at people, their two biggest expenses are their home, and i'm going to go with different on your second biggest expense is your retirement. and in a lot of cases, both of those are related to financial markets. if you live in san francisco or a major metropolitan area, your home goes up and down with the financial markets. retirement goes up and down with the financial markets. biggest problem we have is that there have been surveys that say 50% of the public has less than $400 in savings.
doesn't matter if the stock market's roaring ahead. they don't have the money. >> so, you're thinking the fed might be trying to tap things down a bit to keep certain assets from getting out of reach for servicing by a generation that really isn't prepared to retire, is that sort of it? >> exactly. and if you want to know why trump is elected and why there's general unease, yes, the stock market could roar ahead, and yes, that's great if you have $500,000 or $1 million in retirement, but if you've got $20,000 in retirement and you did all the right moves and your portfolio goes up 20%, you still can't retire! >> well, we're out of time, but we have to say, 78 years northwestern hasn't been in the tournament, and they're in it. and they won by two points, sara. and jim has one more comment. >> it's the greatest thing that's happened in chicago sports history since early november. >> anyway, congratulations, sara. jim, thank you. back to you. >> very proud northwestern alum. that was exciting. go, cats! thank you, rick. we'll have much more "squawk on the street." stay with us. dow's down about six points. mcdonald's is in the lead.
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range here on friday with health care among the worst-performing sectors in today's trade. it's really the biotech sector that is weighing the most on this unhealth care as amgen shares fall about 6%, one of the biggest movers in the nasdaq biotech index. disappointing results from amgen's latest cholesterol-lowering drug, so investors are digesting that news. health care as a whole, though, has been under pressure all week, off about 0.5% since the gop announced a new bill that would unwind the affordable care act. investors trying to understand how that will impact the bottom line of some of the biggest health care companies out there. now let's send it over to carl and the gang for "squawk alley," as we look at the dow down just about 6 points, the s&p 500 down about 2 and the nasdaq lower by 5. of course, politics will also be a big talker. we are awaiting president trump and german chancellor angela merkel to speak. and currency, trade, defense likely to be the topics that will be announced.
back to you, carl. >> all right, seema. thank you very much. good morning. it is 8:00 a.m. at adobe headquarters in san jose, it is 11:00 a.m. on wall street, and "squawk alley" is live. ♪ ♪ happy st. patrick's day. welcome to "squawk alley." i'm carl quintanilla with sara eisen, jon fortt at the new york stock exchange. as seema said a moment ago, we're watching the market dip into the red, but it's largely toeing close to the flat line all morning long. the german chancellor meeting with the president for the first time at the white house today. expect them to talk trade, immigration, defense. that's all going to be on the