tv Squawk Box CNBC May 15, 2017 6:00am-9:01am EDT
>> announcer: live from new york where business never sleeps, this is "squawk box." good morning, everybody. welcome to "squawk box" here on cn cnbc. we are live from the nasdaq market site in times square. i'm becky quick along with joe kernin and andrew ross sorkin. take a look at u.s. equity futures. going a bit higher this morning. yesterday, the s&p was down after three weeks of gains. you also saw the dow get down. nas danger was higher. dow futures up by 20 points. s&p close to 2 points, nasdaq up just fractionally at this moment. take a look to see what happened overnight in asia. this is where we were looking for some sort of a reaction, after the cyber attack that joe just mentioned that is prevalent in places like china. you can see the chinese stock markets ended higher.
shanghai composite up by 0.2%. the dax is down by 2%. >> the ten-year yield, 2.24%. a couple of big headlines we're watching. first one, crude prices. wti crude trading higher after the ministers of saudi arabia and russia agreed needing to extend the cuts. including russia agreed to cut output. deciding whether to extend that agreement. a lot of folks will be watching for that. also, a big developing story out of north korea, the company announcing the missile that
carried a heavy nuclear warhead is capable of hitting targets in the pacific. the latest launch was widely condemned by the u.s., japan and south korea. the white house calling north korea a, quote, fragrant menace. and urged allies to enforce stronger sanctions. and then on this week's agenda, it say big week for retail earning. those earnings have been not so hot. home depot and tjx. and wednesday, target and l brands. thursday, walmart and gap. also getting results from cisco, alibaba and campbell's soup. and some disruptions from what's calling wannacry, wannacry ransomware worm. it wrapped up computers in 150
countries. the bug exploits a security flaw in windows xp. once it infects a computer, it encrypts the files and then spreads to other computers. wow, it just hit our teleprompter. i don't want it to happen -- nothing ever -- why am i not -- it's in 150 countries. everybody gets it. >> you're feeling left out? >> i don't know. do i not do things that other people do on computers? you know, your inews -- >> this is what andrew said that could have been the problem with it. >> they're not asking for $10 million. $300 through bitcoin. they want $300 in bitcoin. the attack has shut down systems in the uk's health service. and prompted automaker renault to idle factories. other organizations reporting infections. we saw this last week, fed sext.
and it was based on software developed by -- figures, right, the u.s. nsa, to spy on enemy computers. microsoft released a security patch that fixed the vulnerability back in march. but many systems haven't been updated. we're going to talk to a psycher security expert in a few minutes. kind of interesting to see china infected, russia -- who did it -- i wasn't infected. maybe i did it. i probably wouldn't be a ransomware hack guy. >> you don't have the expertise? >> do you believe -- >> nsa, they know everything. >> they do everything, they know how to do everything. >> did you see snowden's comments about this? saying, yes, this is more of the
problem with nsa, and our own plans to be offensive rather than being defensive. in retail, let's go to amy javers to top political stories including a search for candidate to replace fired director james comey. lots of speculation about that. and more to the white house, eamon javers. >> you're right, andrew, the reverberation over the weekend to fire james comey including this reaction from former director of intelligence james clamor who said the american institutions of government are understand assault. >> i think in many ways our institutions are under assault externally, that's the big news here, is russian enter neernsinn
our election system. and on assault internally. >> internally from the president? >> exactly. >> saying the constitution of the founding fathers is eroding. that comes from somebody that the white house is saying is exculpatory to them. he simply does not know where the counterintelligence investigation into the russian collusion exists so he could not give this white house a clean bill of health. meanwhile, the white house determined to push forward as quickly as possible find a replacement for james comey. entering at the department of justice, eight candidates over the weekend including andrew mccabe currently the fbi director who says he's not likely to be picked but interviewing john cornyn from texas, alice fisher, judge michael garcia being interviewed. another judge, henry hudson, u.s. district court. adam lee. mike rogers, a former
congressman, house intelligence committee chairman and fran townsend, homeland security adviser to george w. bush. all being interviewed there. but the president squeaki ispea briefly an air force one saying he wants to make this process as quick as possible. >> i think the process is going to be quick because almost all of them are very well-known. they've been vetted over their lifetime essentially. but very well-known. highly respected really talented people. and that's what we want for the fbi. i'll see you over at the school. have a good time. >> the president is leaving at the end of the week for an extensive foreign trip. it's possible that we might know his pick for the director of the fbi before then. democrats for their part in the senate are threatening to vote against anybody until there's a special compromise made for the votes.
they don't have the vote to make that happen. they can simply cast rejection on the floor of the senate. they can vote over a majority vote anybody that the president nominates. >> thank you, eamon. >> can we go back to eamon -- do we think there's a wholesale change-up in the white house between now and friday before they make this big trip? >> look, there are a lot of rumors out there. i've been asking some people, it's very hard to get a read on where the president is right now. the fallout from the comey firing has been pretty intense. the president, you know, on friday tweeting that he might have secret tapes of james comey. he might have a secret taping system in the white house. that's getting a lot of attention. there's a lot of confusion swirling around in the white house. the president is reportedly angry at his staff. he didn't feel they rolled it out very well. who is behind it. and will he do that before he
goes on that massive trip. he might want to make to make any changes after that. but this president could wake up this morning and decide to pull the trigger and replace him or sit tight. >> okay. twitter's ceo jack dorsey speaking out about president trump's use of twitter as a social platform. dorsey sat down on "sunday today" and responds to critics saying that saying president trump shouldn't use twitter. >> i believe it's really important for our leadership. i believe it's important to hold them accountable. i think it's important to have the conversations out in the open, rather than have one behind closed doors. so if we're all to suddenly take these platforms away, where does it go? what happens? it goes in the dark and i just don't think that's good for anyone in that. >> obviously, dorsey would be
defending his platform. but he brings up an interesting point. we've said all along that people are watching what he says on twitter, it is a direct line to the president. it is a direct line to see what he's thinking. >> i like the tweets. i do. and i like the ability to say exactly what, you know -- say exactly what he says without having it go through the -- however he decides to write a story. a couple big stories today, andrew, "washington post" says that the senators don't know what to do -- let me see what they say -- and "the new york times" did a center piece. this is the senate gop wrestling with the agenda now because it's full of peril. mike led said, yeah, sometimes, if this stuff happens, it can bog things down but we're going
to do it either way. but they talked to another guy who is speechless. and i read it and they said they asked them as he was getting on an elevator what was going to happen and he smiled at them. so that speechless? and then i read -- hold on -- then i read "the new york times," senate gop is edging back from the president. and they were able to come up with several republicans have openly questioned. so several is two, i think, isn't it? >> yeah. >> you got mccain and you might have -- i don't know, what other one. realize that most people, most people read these tweets. and some of the things that have happened. if you look at just the approval ratings of the president you look at the approval ratings of his decision to fire comey, irrespective what he did you think he should have done or
not, most people think it's incorrect. >> the polls just the veracity of polls in general, that we see. after the election i don't see that -- >> twitter though, to take those tweets, you can disagree with those tweets but it's an unvarnished view. >> that's true. and reading, listening to clapper, or listening to the very basis of -- you know, the country's democracy's in question. if you read rosenstein -- read the reasons, read some of the stuff that the journal has been writing. there's a hundred valid reasons -- >> do you realize that the president or his people said one thing. >> i understand. >> and he said something completely different, you do recognize that? >> yeah, i do recognize that ben rhodes when talk about -- jonathan gruber with obamacare said it was attacking. i do rec nice that susan rice
came out and said every single thing that happened in benghazi is because of -- yeah, i've been watching washington for years. i do see how they operate. i mean, seriously. i was told i'd be able to keep my plan and my doctors. i was told that the irs would in no way server -- >> if you think that all of those things are awful which i think you do, i'll hold your hand on that and say, you know what, i don't want anybody -- >> you didn't do it when it was happening for the past eight hours. you can't go retroactive and go back and have those things bothered you, they never bother you before. >> we have a problem with people spinning and lying, we have a problem with people spinning and lying all the time. >> also with your words about the definite kit and not being revenue neutral. you should have been talking to
me during the stimulus. >> so, now you want to -- >> no i just wish -- you can't go back and change history. you needed to be concerned all along. >> it's only 6:14 in the morning on a monday. >> right. i mean to hyperventilate -- everybody needs -- do you read "the journal" once in a while? >> yeah, i do. >> they're not so thrilled about what's going on right now. you can't go to mother jones and -- >> i have not been to mother jones -- >> let's get to the broader -- >> you're not a contributing editor. joining us right now to talk about the markets is chris cordero, he is managing director, chief executive officer and chief executive officer of regent landing. and bruce from jpmorgan. gentlemen, welcome. chris, let's talk about the
earnings season. it's been an incredible a strong earnings season, what do you expect to see next? >> despite what is going on in washington, earnings season has been really robust. what i think is the most positive thing, usually after earnings calls they'll guide lower. they'll try to ratchet in expectations sometimes and that hasn't happened. i think that bodes favorably for the rest of the year. >> is that strength from consumer, strength from businesses or kind of strength across the board? >> i think it's straight across the board. you got consumer confidence up. you've got businesses feeling a little bit better. despite what's going on in washington, i've seen positive stuff on earnings sides. >> bruce, are you seeing the same things on the economic side? >> i think we've seen some growth, and pick up on inflation. i think it's been soft particularly on the consumer.
i think what's been driving the world in the last six months is the pickup on business spending and particularly outside of the united states. i think what we're seeing growth is holding up but we're going to see it pick up, we're seeing china slow down. the growth is solid. i think the earnings numbers are solid. i think the surprise in the last coming of weeks is on inflation. we're now having very low inflation proceedings, particularly in the u.s. and that's raising questions on what's going on there. >> raising questions and leading questions on what the fed is going to do. what's your best estimate? >> we think the fed is going to hike 25 basis points. we've also seen the labor market tighten. we've also seen things like productivity, unit labor costs send a negative message. we think the fed is looking in the more immediate term that they will see inflation higher.
>> chris, does that matter to you that the fed ratchets up interest rates or is that something that you've bake in here? >> certainly, the june increase, we baked into that already. we just need to get back to a more normal interest rate policy over time. it can't be held artificially forever. i view that as a positive. >> chris, one of the things we're trying to get our hands on is what's happening in washington. >> i'm not sure i can help you too much there. our working hypothesis is washington is slow, it doesn't help too much. we're basically not building in stimulus. we're not building in big trade policy changes. and obviously, we're not sitting here with an enormous amount of conviction that we think is downplay, what washington will do for the macro economy.
>> chris, you like two stocks, one is apple, the other is comcast. >> sure, i think apple is a hidden asset stock. if you can strip off the $250 billion off its books it becomes a tremendous value. somewhere around 14 or 15. that's great for such a huge brand name. and i think that's hidden a lot. >> what about comcast? >> comcast, i think the content is great on comcast. but what i think most people overlook is the fact that it delivers 25% of the broadband for the u.s. and that market will continue to grow and just add to its stability and earnings. >> even though people are cutting the cord when it comes to cable? >> well, they can't cut the cord for internet. that's the important part. >> gentlemen, i want to thank you both for joining us on this monday morning. when we return, global reaction to the cyber attack that has been on hundreds of thousands of computers since
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a missile launcher that somebody just left in a local neighborhoods and a bunch of teenagers are picking up this missile launcher and shooting rockets at thousand. so, i would say it's quite troubling. what we've been doing over the weekend, the security research team has been following the attack. the attack has subsided. but it does not mean that it cannot pick up again. and we've seen millions and millions of organizations that are potentially vulnerable to this tiype of an attack. >> you just said it could pick up again. there's a worry of course this morning, a lot of employees and companies all over the world are going to go into their offices and turn on their computers again. that might ramp up these attacks. is that what you're worried about? at the same time, i know there was an effort to slow down the worth over the weekend. >> yeah, absolutely. we're very much concerned about this. what happens when a computer is
being affected, the computer reaches tout a command and control center by the hackers. and the command and control center sends instructions to the infected computers. whether you plant ransomware in a hospital or whenever you just wipe out all of the data, it's entirely up to the hacker. and what has happened over the past couple of days is a security researcher by accident registered the domain that should have belonged to a command and control computer. so the malware is basically regrouping. figuring out what to do. but the attacker at this point, the malware through a different domain where it could tick pick again. >> if you snooze, you lose. if you're a viewer right now and you haven't turned on your computer at the office or laptop at home or what have you, or even if you have, what should you be doing? >> you should be doing a couple things.
first of all if you just condition yourself, think before you click. instead of just clicking on e-mail attachments. clicking on web pages. every single viewer is going to be dramatically better awful they think before they click. don't up attachments that you don't know or don't expect. number two, apply the latest microsoft patch as soon as possible. because that microsoft patch is going to basically make the computer safe. >> just to put a fine point on this, we're talking about this being limited to folks who have microsoft windows on their systems? >> correct. >> does that mean just by inference, because people ask this all the time, does that mean that apple is somehow safer? does that mean that people just aren't writing viruses and/or this type of attack software for apple? because there's less apple out there. >> no. that's a common misconception. it happens that this attack is targeting the windows computers
with the untouched and we estimate there's about 1 million computers worldwide that are vulnerable to this type of attack. but apple is absolutely vulnerable to similar type of sa steak attacks. >> are you any safer if stuff in is the cloud? >> no that does not make you any safer. if you put stuff in the cloud, you depend on your 30 parthird s and if one is attacked, you're vulnerable. >> alex, we appreciate your time this morning. >> thank you. >> see you soon. >> thank you. coming up, it is infrastructure week in washington. former pennsylvania governor ed rendell will join us next to talk rebuilding america. as we head to break, that's a good picture of him, isn't it? as we head to break, here's a
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crude prices have been surging after saudi arabian and russian oil ministers agreed to cut output. you're looking at wti crude now up 49.17. today kicks off infrastructure week in washington. it's an annual event that brings various groups together to bring about the biggest priorities in the path forward for administration. good morning. >> good morning, becky. this is a first of week of events in washington and across the country and how do we build the nation's infrastructure. there are no executives some some of the company's largest instruction and engineering companies. among them labor groups as well. and we are trying to injects urgency in the long push for infrastructure investment.
especially at a time when president trump's economic agenda keeps getting pushed back. one is there's a cost to waiting. we're seeing $160 billion as productivity being pushed back every year. congestion on highways cost $24 billion a year. the after delay is now two hours. and that's costing billions of dollars. infrastructure is more than just roads and bridges. they're going to be talking about waters treatment and energy grid. and elaine chao also talking about the possibility of veteran hospitals. and jared kushner is involved in this issue. as part of his new office of american innovation. so, guys, there are lots of things going on but there's no
consensus yet on how to bring about the president of the united states trump infrastructure package. one source tells me one option is on the table of having reform early to pay for it all. >> for more on infrastructure investment. let's bring in ed rendell, former governor of pennsylvania. he's co-chair of rebuilding america. and do you think that repatriation is one way to go about it. and you actually mentioned congressman delanie's bill. did you see most of the money will be used for infrastructure. or most of the money coming back used for infrastructure, because that's not going to fly. >> no it's a combination of two, one, the money coming back.
and two, joe, the companies will get significant tax credit for investing in infrastructure. the private sector needs to be involved in the infrastructure. but one message that we're sending out to washington other than it's time to go. and it is time to go. we've talked about this for too long. one message there is, private investment can help but it's only part. puzzle. for example, 60,000, less than 100 of those will be told to give a return on investment. the other will be have to be done with state and local laws. there's no escaping it. interesti interestingly, president trump mentioned the possibility of a recorker bill as part of an overall tax reform package. >> people worry about gas taxes. all of a sudden there's that poll of money and it never goes to for what it was designed for
in the first place because we know how washington operates. that's one of the problems. is there a way to write a bill saying going into that bridge, no ifs, ands or buts? >> sure, we did that with harbor maintenance fund. the federal government has taken about $900 million of that to balance the budget. they wrote a new bill that said you can't touch it. that's it, it's in a lock box, it can't be touched. and you can be a taxpayer seeing that. >> in the 2000 election and al gore -- >> so paul ryan says $40 of private money for every dollar of government money. to republicans, that's the what we should do. what do you think, one for one? or more government? yeah, i know you don't like the
$40 -- you think that's ridiculous, right? >> well, because private money is not going to come in, as you well, joe, unless there's a return on investment. there's very few things we can to do set up an infrastructure fund with loan guarantees. we could also sloan guarantees. allows states highways. private dollars i think will only be 20%, 25% of the puzzle. it's 4 to 1 government now. and the government share should be split between federal, state and local. interestingly, joe, 22 states including some very red states like idaho and north dakota have increased their gas tax in the last five years. it's time for the federal government to step up. and i'll ask you a question, and becky and andrew, the same question, how much is the
federal gas tax right now? >> i knew this -- is it 26 cents, 28 cents. >> 17 and change a gallon. most people. even the most educated people, i give this speech all over the country have no idea what it is. raising it 10 cents is relatively low. >> it's falling over that time. >> right the last time it was raised president clinton in 1983. and it hasn't been raised since. and the great ronald reagan said why would we put off something when ten years from now it's going to be more expensive. >> i don't like you that quote reagan, governor rendell. that's all right.
that's all right. there's a lot of quotes -- i guarantee you there's a lot of things he said that you would not quote, just knowing you. >> joe, guess who raised the gas tax before bill clinton? guess who raised the gas tax? ronald reagan. >> these tax credits. you say they'll help a little, why would that work? and why is that not the way to do it for private secretaector them involved and how much would it help? >> well it would help, with things new on the drawing board. not things already in the pipeline. and that would be difficult. so things that are already in the pipeline, all of that money would be doing is giving a tax break to rich people. and wouldn't be creating any new jobs. any new construction. many more american manufacture. you could craft it essentially that it could work but it's
very, very delicate. i would matter the money went to the infrastructure. and the infrastructure investing in significant progress. and i also think on state highways, you could get back into the business of adding tolls. and user fees make sense. that little old lady in philadelphia who pays for a bus or the subway, she doesn't want to pay for gas tax because she doesn't use the highway so that exempts her. and people that do use, will pay for the use of it. you said something -- becky said something very important. the cost of inaction. the cost of doing nothing. if you raise the gas tax 10 cents a gallon and index it to inflation. the average person would a $140 in gas tax. but if you went through one and that is close to $250 to $300 to
repair. just one. >> just out of curiosity, are truckers unions opposed to this, or the trucking industry, are they opposed to this because of what it means for the bottom line? >> they don't want to see an earmark just on that. generally, pagainst the gas tax. but the afl:cio and the chamber of commerce both agree that the gas tax should be raised. >> all right. governor rendell, thank you. potholes, if you got low-profile tires you get a flat from potholes. >> absolutely. and joe, kudos to your producer, build me up buttercup, that should be the theme song for america's infrastructure. >> and how about that pic -- did
you see that picture we got of you. i've seen these in teenage girls' room. you do -- you look like a heart throb. >> must have been photoshoped. >> you may be right. anyway, governor, thanks for being with us. up can go up when we return, former budget director peter orszag is going to weigh in on the economy. and then admiral stavridis is going to weigh in. and later marc lasry is going to join us with his best investment analogies and his latest call. you're watching "squawk box" on cnbc. back in a moment. year in taxes and fees for your unlimited plan? only t-mobile gives you unlimited data with taxes and fees included. that'll save you hundreds. get two lines for a hundred dollars. that's right. two lines of unlimited data. a hundred bucks. all in. and right now, we're giving you even more.
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>> court ruled over the weekend they could go ahead -- i think a judge said they could go ahead and look into whatever it is doing. by pushing the court case forward. >> they go into some partnership to get the info? no one gives you that, you got to take it. if it was there for the taking why go through all of the -- >> machinations? >> it's possible google could own it from this. >> this is bad. this is not a good situation. this is a bad situation. >> it's criminal. >> the lyft guys are nice guys. these guys finish third and fourth. as you can see. the other would say you can call lyft, no, get an uber. get an uber, it's almost like get a kleenex. >> i agree. coming up, live sports
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welcome back to "squawk box." live sports platform wingview announcing funding this morning. participants include discovery communications, mine mental sports and entertainment and grand holding. joining us is an old friend of our, tom rogers, executive chairman of winview and ceo of target media, formerly of tivo and yes of cnbc. >> i don't think i have been up
this early for cnbc since the day we launched it 28 years ago. i remember being in the 6:00 a.m. then. i'm not sure since then i've done it. >> so tell us about winview. i don't think we've actually had you -- have we talked about this on the air yet in a meaningful way? >> not here. not here. it is a -- it's all about how do we save sports, which is at the center of the media establishment on television, which is under siege. you know, when we started cnbc, it was broadcast networks were beginning to feel the pressure that cable could amount to something. and we needed to jump in. and now you have the whole broadcast cable establishment really feeling it in a whole different way. >> when you say save sports you're talking about espn? >> you're talking about television sports generally. espn, obviously, with 13 million viewer subs than it once had is feeling it. nfl ratings were down 9% last season. but double that in the 18 to 24 demographic. you've got -- >> so what is it exactly that
winview does? >> well, what winview does is something that has become the rage in europe. which is, two screen, have a mobile phone in your hand, which 85% of millennials when they're watching live sports do already, and play along while you're watching live sports on tv. so, what do people do? fathers and sons when they're watching sports together, buddies when they're watching sports together, they're talking about what's going to happen next. what's the quarterback going to do. how's the action on the field going to unfold? this gives you a tangible way to predict, and compete, and win for prizes, cash, or pride. depending on how you want to do it. >> so it's like a fantasy sports league for everything that you're watching? >> it's a really good question. fantasy locked and loaded before the game starts. you're picking your teams and your players. during the three hours of the sports contests, there's nothing going on. this is what that course. >> it gets you interested in the same way, on every play that's happening along the way. >> every play that's happening along the way, live, while you're sitting there without a
way to really tangibly put in to force what you're already doing in your head. and you're cross talking with -- >> can you bet, if you will, on who's going to score next? >> well, bet is -- >> you don't like the word betting. >> bet is not a good word. because this is a game of skill. >> we're getting on the screen. tell us why not. >> it's a game of skill. >> right. >> betting implies a game of chance. that it's something that involves luck. football game, basketball game, you get 25 questions coming at you over the course of a quarter. and skill overwhelmingly determines the outcome. i mean, truly overwhelmingly. so, if it were one or two questions that were coming at you, with somebody who is guessing, do as well as somebody who is skillful? maybe. but 20, 25 questions coming at you, skill wins out. and games of skill are legal in particularly winview, which today is legal in 50 states. >> that's why it's legal because it's not just a game -- >> it's not a game of chance. exactly.
and that's very important. that's a critical distinction. people when they hear well you can win money, they use the word betting. but, it really involves a totally different approach to how you engage the viewer. obviously you can play along for fun. you don't have to be a skilled player. there are rooms with 20 people who compete. the top three in each room win cash. so very accessible. also relative to fantasy, where very small percentage take all the money off the table. >> people get to play for free, right? >> yes. it's a -- >> how do you make money and come up with the prize money? >> well, right now, it's fully advertiser support. and, with that advertising support, pepsi came in as our first key sponsor. at some point in the near future we'll let people put down a little bit of money, and that increases the pot. obviously has to continue to be a game of skill. but there will be bigger prizes. golf is coming. golf is coming. >> let me ask you, so you keep
adding more sports. yesterday there was some interesting things happening in the way it finally played out was pretty amazing. this 21-year-old that this -- i mean, he's like -- did you watch any of that? >> no i didn't see any of it. >> god almighty. >> every sport ultimately will be captured here. and you know, you got to -- the sports industry has got to do something. baseball now 50% of the viewers -- if we can figure out how to make curling a game of skill, we will do it. >> you ultimately stay independent or you think you hook up with a tv network? >> i think for the time being, every -- we can be agnostic because every tv network, every sports league, needs to see millennials far more engaged in the television viewing experience and for the time being, being in that role is a great role to be. >> thank you, sir. >> thanks for having me. >> still to come today, two guest host double plays. first senators david per due and john barrasso join us for the 7:00 hour to talk cybersecurity, north korea and the trump economy. then we'll talk business with barry sternlicht and yankee great alex rodriguez.
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♪ live from the beating heart of business, new york city, this is "squawk box." good morning, welcome back to skwk skwk right here on cnbc. we're live at the nasdaq marketsite in times square i'm andrew ross sorkin along with becky quick and joe kernen. futures at this hour are looking up after what some people had worried might be down given this cyber attack we heard about over the weekend. dow looks like it would open up about 35 points, nasdaq up about 3 points and the s&p 500 a little over 3 points. here's what's making headlines. united airlines finding itself in the news once again. this time some of the carrier's cockpit door security codes were inadvertently posted on a public website. however officials at the pilots association said the problem has been solved. also, over the weekend, jetblue picking up family off the plane because they had a cake on the plane. they were going to celebrate the mother's 40th birthday, headed to las vegas with two kids, they put it under the seat, then they
put it in the overhead. the police came on. >> what? >> it was not a good situation. they rebooked the entire flight. it was another one of these sort of examples -- >> was it a dangerous cake? >> the police came on, there's video of it, where the police -- >> why? >> policeman said there was no problem. >> because there was in-fighting among the -- the attendants on the plane about where the cake was supposed to go. the whole thing was crazy. i think you can second screen this while we're watching and find it on google. western digital taking legal action to stop toshiba from selling its chip unit without western digital's scent. the disk drivemaker says such a sale would violate terms of the manufacturing partnership. western digital seeking international arbitration to resolve the matter. the unit could be worth up to $18 billion. another winning weekend at the box office for disney and marvel. guardians of the galaxy volume two held onto the number one spot. took in $66 million in american ticket sales after $145 million
opening weekend last week. here's the loser, king arthur legend of the sword had a disappointing debut finishing third with just $14.7 million against, yes, a $170 million production budget. so somebody's not happy this morning. >> yeah. that's got -- that stars the guy from sons of anarchy. you never watched that? your mic's office. charlie hunter. i like him. he was great. thought he'd be a big movie star. now i don't know. you get blamed, you kind of get tanished sometimes if you're the star in a $175 million, you know, like "pearl harbor" some day just ben affleck. >> yeah. >> all right. developing story at this hour, asian governments and businesses reporting just some disruptions from the wanna cry ransomware worm this morning. bizarre. all the terminology. wanna cry and it's a worm. computer worm. the cyber attack locked up hundreds of thousands of
computers in more than 150 countries since friday. security experts are warning a further disruption as more systems come online today. the bug exploits a security flaw in xp. windows xp. once it affects a computer it encrypts the files and spreads to other computers. victims receive a demand for a bitcoin payment of $300 in order to regain access. the attack shut down systems in the uk health service and renault to alter some factories. other organizations included federal express, telefonica, and the russian interior ministry. a 22-year-old i.t. expert was able to slow the spread of the worm after he registered the kill switch web domain which is found deep within the software's code. the attack was based on software developed by the u.s. nsa to spy on enemy computers. microsoft released a security patch to fix the vulnerability back in march but many systems hadn't been updated yet.
a developing story out of north korea, the country announcing that the missile it launched yesterday is able to carry a heavy nuclear warhead and it's capable of hitting u.s. military targets that are in the pacific. and the missile landed in the sea between north korea and japan. close to russia, too. the latest launch was widely condemned by the u.s., japan, and south korea. and the white house called it -- north korea called it a flagrant menace and urged allies to enforce stronger sanctions. the prime minister shinzo abe told cnbc that he's concerned over the latest actions by north korea. >> translator: it is indeed very clear that the threat posed by north korea's missile and nuclear program is now entering into a new stage. that is our recognition. with president trump he is saying that all options are on the table. and he is showing the act, as well as by words, what he is advocating in this arena. we regard this posture quite highly.
>> and abe also said it's important for countries to present a united front in battling the north korean target. all right from health care bill to the president's tax proposal we're covering those topics and more this morning with our next guest. joining us wyoming senator, dr. -- senator dr. john barrasso and georgia senator ceo, senator and ceo, former ceo, david per due. i had to give you, you know, i mean it's tough. >> it's tough. >> when you've got a guy who's got all these titles over here. so we already talked about this senators, and that is just the take, you knew it was coming, you know, "the washington post" and "the new york times" here, you know, it was coming, start with "the washington post," senator gop wrestling now with an agenda full of peril, because of comey. now you guys just -- hopefully you guys know, you are both in very perilous position right now. and then, "new york times" says that you guys, the senate gop,
you're now edging back, distancing yourself from the president, because you need to be re-elected at some point, too. and now's the time to start pulling back after the comey thing. so, i mean, does this -- >> well, you know, when i ran i didn't listen to the media, you know, in 2014, it worked out. >> you need to listen to the media, senator. you're on the media. you're espousing views now in the media. how can you not listen to the media when you are on the media. >> when i say it's time to retrench from this president i take issue with that because i think it's about time that we break some eggs in washington and change the direction. i mean, look, we were headed in the wrong direction. look at consumer confidence. we talked about this a few weeks ago. consumer confidence is on the rise. ceo confidence is up. and talking about capital investment again. look the people in the real world know what needs to be done up here. it's the people in the bubble in washington that are having a tough time. >> if i read it in the newspaper, senator, i assume it's true. i mean, am i -- do i need to start recalibrating -- >> you need to get out to the rest of america. >> i do?
>> i was in wyoming this weekend. caspar as well as laramie. i'll tell you a couple things. one as with a number of young students who were then taking the oath of office to join the military. we are in capable hands in the future. but the issues of north korea came up. the issues was a world being a dangerous place came up. but i listen to the people of wyoming and what they want us to do is the things that president trump promised that we would do. health care reform, infrastructure, tax reform, we need to get the distractions out of the way. get the job done. >> well, it's hard. and, you know, reading this in a way i can joke around a little bit about it, obviously, but we're counting on a lot of these things, stock market is counting on a lot of these things. the, you know, the promises trump made counts on obamacare repeal and replacement. counts on tax reform. nobody needed a week of, you know, hyperventilating and hyperbole. not everyone listens to the most out there democrats and the most out there media outlets that sort of, you know, pander and that. but, i mean, this is -- you
didn't need that last week when you're trying to do the senate is considering obamacare, did you? >> again, washington is based on running to the latest distraction. and what we have are some long-term systemic problems, the debt, the military recap but the president put out four priorities this year. one was health care, second was tax issues, but regulations are a big item this year as well as the supreme court. and i would say we're making progress on the regulatory front and we did get gorsuch confirmed. so there is some progress. we've got some heavy lifting yet to come with taxes, and now with this health care thing. >> you point out that washington runs to the latest distraction. you wish there weren't so many distractions for them to run to? just to keep more focused? >> certain people see that but joe just said it right. the ultra right and ultraleft want to be the noisiest. but 80% of people in america want something done up here. >> let me ask both of you a question about your own values. when you see the president or the white house say one thing about why they did something, in
this case, the comey firing, and within 24 hours, you see a very different answer emerge from the president effectively undermining his own original answer, what does that make you think about whether you can trust what's going on inside the white house? and whether you can trust the president? >> well what i know is, is that we can't trust the direction we were undertaking. look this is the weakest recovery we've had in seven years. >> i appreciate that. i'm asking if the president tells you something, whether you can believe it. i ask both of you this question. >> well, what he told me so far i can go to the bank on. and we talked specifically about policy and what we're trying to do. and so far he's backed everything up. >> you do worry about the distractions. this is infrastructure week in washington. we have so many people coming to town. hearings this wednesday on the committee i chair with elaine chao talking about infrastructure. but yet, we're not talking about infrastructure to the level that we need to to fix our crumbling road, bridges, what we need to do with waterways. all of the things that have to
be done. and i just want to get away from the distractions and get back to getting the business done, which is what i hear about in wyoming every week. get the job done. >> andrew, still not answering andrew's question. i guess this question, i like the way you phrased it, about look at your own values, and i hope you come up with the right answer here, because, you know, after what happened last week, if you investigate your own, but i guess what the real question is, is the dissembling, is the spin, is the way things are being conducted materially worse than the average administration? that's what we're told. that the like, and the untruths, and the spin, and the, you know, alternate facts, however you want to say it, that this is unprecedented in this first 120 days or whatever it is. and that, you know, we've got -- we've always got the straight scoop from the obama administration. that's the part that irritates me. that, i mean, it's like seriously? suddenly this -- you're understanding how washington works? i mean is it materially worse?
you were a senator during the last -- >> i think consistency is important. you want to know exactly what somebody is saying. >> right. >> take that word to the bank. and you want to avoid the distractions. >> well, i'll tell you the rest of us out here in the country look pretty cynically at whatever we hear from congress, from the executive branch, from -- i mean, i don't know if it's materially -- it's not a good thing. >> that includes the media. >> it's 7% -- i don't know if it's materially worse than it was over the past eight years. >> oh, i have a different perspective on that. i mean i've only been up here for two years and the view from the outside is different from the view in washington. >> well that's true. >> i talk about the lens in washington, they see this president through the bubble lens that they're used to seeing people in the white house. this guy's not like any other president we've ever had. he's nobody's choir boy but he wants to get things done. he's a pragmatist not an ideologue. the people in the real world, i call it the bubble lens that people out there use to look at washington with, and they're frustrated because of the lack of results up here. >> to that point let's talk a
little bit about what you guys think about health care reform in particular. that has passed the house, it's now in your hands in the senate, what happens next? and john i'll start with you, because you're a doctor. >> and i talked to tom price about it ear the weekend. we're working on our own health care bill because what we have now, the status quo, is not working. you know, costs skyrocketed. choices are down. they're crumbling, collapsing networks all around, even this past week aetna pulled out of a number of places, in wyoming our rates are some of the highest in the country. we're down to single choice. we had two. one lost so much money they had to go out of business. and the other lost money, even though they're still selling in wyoming. so we need to do something to help try to rescue these people who are being crushed under this collapsing obamacare system. plus, we need to do it in a way that lowers premiums and protects people with pre-existing conditions. >> the bill that passed the house would not pass in the senate. are you starting from scratch? or are you trying to take that bill and work around it? >> we're going to pass our own bill. we're writing our own bill and then we'll conference it with the house after we get ours
passed. we have a number of issues that we're working on including lowering premiums, protecting people with pre-existing conditions. but the urgency is that companies are pulling out of the obamacare market. you're seeing the rates that are announced for next year, much higher, around the country, than they are right now. so, the status quo is failing. obamacare has to go, and we need to do something that is patient focused to help protect these people who are out there that have been promised so much by president obama. and have just failed time and time again. >> senator, are you in this group with ted cruz? there's a political piece he's put together a group of senators, and he's now, senator cruz is not as much of an individual list but he's trying to gather together consensus, and work with other senators to get this done. are you part of that? >> no, i am in one regard. we have a small group that we met a few times, but what you may be referring to is a group that set aside by the leadership to deal with obamacare. >> right.
>> and ted is now in that group. and i think that ted is really trying -- >> it's important to get him on board. >> and he's also working -- i will say this about ted. he is really working hard now with young next of the senate to try to get something that we can pass. >> that's the thrust of the politico piece is that he's suddenly, you know, consensus builder and not as much of a -- >> senator cruz is one of the brightest guys we have in the senate. we want to use that for constructive purposes. and i think he's in there right now trying to do that. i think we're going to find common ground here that will get this set up to solve the problems we have today. look, it wasn't that everything was perfect prior to 2008, either guys. and republicans are just as much at fault at this failure in health care as democrats. but, we have a chance right now, i think, to govern and to put this right. >> ripping it up and then doing the senate's own thing, how much would be very similar to what was -- what the house did anyway. wouldn't 70% or 80% be the same deal? >> the issues are the same.
the issues are the same. obamacare expanded dramatically medicaid. we should have reformed medicaid. that's a system that is a doctor didn't work. i saw that as i was practicing metd sin. i thought lots of money was wasted. in the states, if we had had that money we just thought we could do a much better job getting better care and coverage and help more people than dealing in the one size fits all coming out of washington. >> who's doing your pr? you got some good pr? >> we want to get the policy right. >> obamacare signed up 11 million people or so? >> mostly on medicaid. a failing system where about one out of three doctors won't take them. >> 24 million people are going to lose obamacare? you let the left say this, but what they're saying is, if you do the projections for who's going to be added, by the year 2030. >> right. >> if we don't add them to medicare, 24 million people don't get coverage. so they're conflating 11 million that are covered by obamacare with the future 24 million getting it, and no one's there
to push back. >> here are the real numbers. there were 48 million people in america who did not have health insurance prior to the aca. today as we sit her 28 million do not have coverage. of the 28 million 16348 got it because of expanding medicare. >> do you think it was appropriate for the house to pass the bill without having the cbo score? >> i think it's okay because it's got to come to us and we're probably not going to do anything finally until we see that cbo score. let me tell you this, i for one don't put a lot of weight in that cbo score. i've said this publicly several times. what i'm trying to do is help the caucus get to a -- and by the way, help the senate get to a commonsense approach to this thing that works for people back home. >> should -- should rape be a pre-existing condition? >> you know, it's not -- look, take a look at the way that that's been all fact checked. it is not. and it shouldn't be. and it won't be. i mean, that's kind of the things that are getting thrown out there. you know -- >> you'll find them here. you will.
not scored and -- >> discussion about whether really -- >> discussion about whether you're really covering more people or not. whether 24 million really are losing coverage. and we shift gears immediately to whether rape is a pre-existing condition? is that the most important thing in this bill? >> i can't foth up that if you're going to put a bill like this together that rape wouldn't be. >> oh, okay. all right. >> i mean -- >> in the list of priorities where you're trying to figure out how we do this, that's like, isn't it? i don't know. but it is one of the talking points. >> senator says it's not. >> sit one of the talking points that -- we'll see. anyway. senators stick around. we will -- we do have two republicans. we do need something from the other -- >> peter or zag is about to be here >> right. when we return, former obama omb director peters or zag will join us. he is out with a new global health care study. meantime check out the futures. they've been a little bit higher through much of the morning.
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are. releasing a global health care study this morning surveying over 200 executives and investors about opportunities and challenges in health care. the objective of the survey, to see where these industry leaders see health care heading during this time of change. joining us right now to share these results, vice chair and cohead of health care, peter orszag, also former omd director under president obama. we want to talk about the results but then i think we probably want to talk a little bit about what we were talking about during the commercial break where you got in on this debate. >> sure. but what's important here is there are ten times as many people with employer sponsored insurance in the u.s. and this whole debate about coverage, we're losing track of the value and cost agenda, which is more important for most americans, and frankly, the house legislation does almost nothing on that. our survey was all about business leaders looking past all this drama to how can they deliver higher value health care. which is exactly where the focus should be. >> and what was the answer? >> the answer was, surprisingly,
the majority of u.s. health care executives, and investors, expect value based payment to be the dominant form of payment before 2020. that would be a very good thing. and then we need more innovation. and they talked about the forms of that innovation, too. >> do you think that costs are actually going to come down? >> again, this is back to this debate. i don't think they're going to come down. i think they will grow at a slower rate. and by the way, they have been. that's the untold story. in all of the drama over what's happened over the past decade, we have seen a dramatic deceleration overall, not on the exchanges which is for a small share of the population, but for example on medicare, costs per person on medicare has decelerated dramatically. way beyond anything you could have expected. >> that's great but we're still talking about health care budgets being 17% of gdp and growing. >> i know. and therein is the fundamental problem. there was a meme on twitter saying basically, which i degree with, we spent on health care
and no one is willing to devote a sixth of their income to health care. and that's what leads to all of this tension about how we move the deck chairs around. >> and if you could fix it you'd fix it how? >> i think the most important thing we can do is change how we pay. if you pay for quantity you're going to wind up with quantity. if you pay for value you're going to pay for value. that's the most important thing and then there are multiple other things that follow. but the single most important thing is to continue down that road, and one of the -- one of the shortcomings of the current debate over what we're going to do on the exchanges is that whole agenda of how we deliver higher value health care for most americans is nowhere to be seen. >> i feel like we've been having that conversation for ten years. >> and there's been some progress. and the survey underscores that. we just need to kind of double down on it. >> the senate bill is going to try to get premiums down in a significant way for a lot of reasons. because it would help in terms of costs, but it would also be something that voters are thinking about. >> right. >> to offset maybe people that
lose coverage, if premiums go down i think the guys, the republicans think that that's a winning issue in 2018. but the senate bill is going to try to get premiums down. how would you do it? how are they -- senator, how are they -- are they planning on doing it? >> these guys have an opportunity but it involves things that the house bill didn't do. >> right but they're going to write a different bill. >> right. what you have to remember is most health care costs are driven by what the providers are recommending and what they're doing. you need to change their incentive. there's a huge incentive -- by the way, which would have some bipartisan support. not all democrats but there are a lot of democrats that support this movement away from fee for service. there's an opportunity there, and at least today that hasn't been captured. >> senator barrasso as a former doctor, you know very well about how people get paid, how doctors get paid, how hospitals get paid. >> i think we ought to be paying for value, paying for the quality of the care that we're getting instead of the volume. i think that's the direction that we need to go in.
but the entire cost of health care is undermining our economy. warren buffett said it, you wrote about it last week's annual meeting, he talked about the fact that it is crippling our competitiveness, and that's the challenge that we have to face. we're spending so much money on health care, and we need to actually lower the cost of care. if the cost of care stays very high, to ensure for it is going to continue higher. >> peter has written on this thing and the thing that's not been addressed is the cost of health care. and the premiums go up for two reasons. one they're managing risk. but they also reflect the rising cost of basic health care. those are the two things that haven't been addressed. i don't think that that's within the scope, necessarily, of this bill so far. but sooner or later we've got to get to the health care delivery system and also the rising cost of health care. >> real quick, what is your sense of the timing of when you think you could get something passed, and to the white house for signature? >> well, there's a lot of pressure on this. i'm hoping within weeks, not months. >> maybe a little bit longer than that. we need to get this to the white
house because we need to move on to tax reform. >> you're in washington. what's your gamble? >> well, they might be able to pass something but i don't think it's going to have the full cbo score and i guess i'd be in the mode of be careful what you wish for. because you can get something done fast and wind up with a disaster subsequently. on your hands. which is then not good for your politics. >> okay, peter orszag, thank you. >> the house, the senate -- >> when we come back we'll talk about the huge global cyber attack with admiral james stavridis. stick around. ♪ ♪
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good morning. welcome back to "squawk box" right here on cnbc. we're live at the nasdaq marketsite in times square. among the stories that are front and center two economic reports out this morning to begin trading this week in about an hour from now we're going to get to the latest empire state index. the new york fed's measure of new york state manufacturing. then at 10:00 eastern time, national association of home builders will be out with its monthly sentiment index. also, two multibillion dollar takeover deals to tell you about just announced in the past couple minutes. scientific instruments maker thermofisher buying patheon. about $35 per share. also debt trading agency moody's
buying a dutch company it's going to be paying about $3.3 billion for a business information company called bureau van dyke. moody's says that the deal will add to its perngs as soon as next year. also this morning lyft is teaming up with alphabet's self-driving car unit waymo to develop a pilot program. the companies aren't releasing many details. waymo has some of the most advanced self-driving technology and has just started testing cars in phoenix, arizona. lyft office ride sharing services in 300 u.s. cities. the deal isn't exclusive. lyft will continue working on a self-driving program with general motors, which is a major investor in lyft. coming up former nato commander james stavridis will join us to discuss the cybersecurity, as well as north korea. we will be right back. on deck, right here on "squawk box," former major league baseball superstar alex rodriguez. and starwood capital chairman and ceo barry sternlicht.
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welcome back, everybody. let's talk more about the global cyber attack that has affected at least 200,000 computers in over 150 countries. the attackers are demanding a ransom be paid to unlock those computers that are held hostage. some security experts are predicting a second wave of attacks that potentially take place this morning as employees arrive at work and turn on those affected computers. joining us right now for more on the government's response plus the latest out of north korea is admiral james stavridis, he is the dean of the fletcher school at tufts university and the former supreme allied commander at nato. and admiral, thank you for joining us this morning. >> good to see you about ek can i. >> so we know how this already played out over the weekend.
there are expectations that it continues. are we done with this? or is this going to have a second leg down? >> mixed messages thus far today. we're seeing more computers affected in asia. but as europe comes online this morning, not so much. so, let's hope that this one will burn itself out. i use that phrase deliberately. we need to kind of think of this almost as a pandemic. really is a virus. and the key here is, its global nature. we've never seen something sweep across the planet at this speed. it's very worrisome. >> does this tell you that there are other potential pandemics that could be released? or this is the opening of pandora's box to some extent? >> it absolutely is. you know, i'm hesitant to say hey we're seeing nascent cyber pearl harbor, but we ought to wake up to the real potential of a devastating attack in this way. and this one is kind of a part of a release of some national security agency tools. but these can be manipulated
very easily to create that second wave. >> we always think of nation states as being the real bad actors. you get attacked by the chinese or the russians or somebody else, but they've all been attacked this time around. who is this and who are we fighting? >> this is cyber criminal activity, becky, and i don't see this as something that emanated from a nation state. it really is a crime, money, motive. and if you think of cyber threats generally, it's nation states, it's cyber crime, and then it's kind of hackiveism, terrorism. those are three categories. this is the middle one. >> admiral when you spoke a few weeks ago you talked about detection, deterrent and defense. very difficult to detect these things. how in the world are we ever going to get to the point where we can deter this type of activity? >> we need to first of all, senator, develop a doctrine. we haven't really even defined what constitutes a cyber attack in the nation state space. so we've got to define that. when is our nation truly under attack? when there's kinetic damage,
when there is personal damage? secondly we've got to get better at the interagency working this. today we have three different agencies in charge of this. six different cyber centers across the country. i think there's a role for congress in trying to at least create a voice, a centralized voice on cyber in the cabinet. >> admiral are we making ourselves safer or less safe by moving everything to the cloud? and when i say cloud, really only three major service providers, amazon, microsoft, and google, which control all of it, this attack doesn't work on that. this attack actually works on each computer independently. >> correct. >> but ultimately are we all going to be at the mercy, if you will, at three companies that are going to hold all of our information? >> i think in this regard, andrew, it's like in real estate, location, location, location, in cyber it's backup, backup and backup. so, we need to be in the cloud. we also need hard drive backup. and we need some number of computers that are really disconnected from the internet. that can be brought on in an
emergency. so it's really three levels. and you're right to raise the question of these three service providers. we need a more distributed defensive mechanism. >> it's not just cyber attacks that we're worried about these days but also traditional missile attacks, particularly with what's been happening with north korea, and maybe you and senator barrasso could both talk a little bit about where we stand right now with north korea? >> yeah, i always say it's sort of two streams of threat. one is the miniaturization, the hardening of nuclear weapons. the other is the ballistic missiles. the ability to deliver them at range. and it's like in ghost busters, you don't want those streams to cross. they're going to cross in the next 18 to 24 months and then i think the united states has a very difficult -- >> much tighter time line than some people had been anticipating. >> yeah. >> a year and a half potentially? >> yeah. and just as i look at the technology and the reports i get, it's accelerating, not decelerating. >> so, senator, you are just
back from that region of the world. what does that mean? should we be back to trying to talk and negotiate with this regime or is there something else we need to be doing? >> if what we've seen is the north korean efforts have increased in terms of scale, scope, sophistication. they've moved from liquid to solid fuel. which allows them to be more stealth and more reliable in what they're doing. this missile over the weekend, 1200 miles high. the capacity to get to our troops and our facilities in guam is there. we need to be engaging china, president trump did that with president xi but you're right i was in china and i was in japan talking about that so everything's on the table. what we want is a peaceful solution to this. we want to make sure that that whole korean peninsula does not have nuclear weapons. and the best way to do that is have china engaged as our partner. often we don't have overlapping interests with china but we do on this. they don't want north korea at war with the rest of the world,
it brings it country close to them. but 90% of the resources that go into north korea come through china. >> right. >> they're now going to stop, they say, the sale -- the purchase of coal from north korea. because that forwards a lot of money into north korea. you know, we can put all the sanctions that we want on north korea, there have been a lot of ways and loopholes around it. china is going to be the active participant. >> senators barrasso and per due is going to be staying with us. admiral stavridis, thank you very much for joining us. >> what a pleasure. great to see everybody. >> when we return we will have more from our senators, as we head to break, take a look at some of the big earnings coming out this week. the list includes home depot, tjx, target, walmart, cisco, alibaba, sales force dotcom and campbell's soup.
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investors have right now. what do you think? >> i sure hope so, andrew. i tell you, we set this year out the president laid out his priorities of health care, regulatory reform and taxes. we got gorsuch confirmed to the supreme court. it takes a year and a half before these changes take effect in the economy so we've got to get this going in order to support the expectation of consumers and investors around the country today. so, we've got to get this done this year. >> realistic to? >> i think it is realistic. and we need to do it and we want a strong and healthy economy. you say why do you need to do tax reform? it's to help the economy. it's to get more people working. here at home it's to bring jobs back from overseas. i think we need to do repatriation, get to a territorial tax system. there's a lot of money sitting overseas. we want to lower rates, make it simpler so our goals are there. we know what we need to get done. we have to get through health care first because there are two things we can do without democrat support. one is health care and one is tax reform. i'd like to do these in a bipartisan way but they've said no we're not that interested in
being involved with it but using reconciliation, a process in congress, we can do this with the united republican senate. >> i want to ask both a question about employment. because one of the things that the tax policy should hope to do is try to trigger some more employment in the united states. but one of the industries that has been killed is a industry you know very well which is the retail business. and the retail industry. and sometimes -- now people look at the numbers and say more people have lost their job in retail than in coal jobs. >> you know i heard a number the other day -- >> do you think you can get these retail jobs back or do you think that there's something very different that needs to happen? >> well, as consumption gross retail jobs come back. there's no question about that. manufacturing is another issue. and there is the adaptation to technology and innovation. but what's going on in america right now, and what drove this last presidential race, in my opinion, and what affected my race in '14 was that the number of disenfranchised folks in the workforce. we have about 145 million people in the workforce. i would estimate over 20% are disenfranchised right now.
unemployed, underemployed and don't minimize that number and then the people have just given up and dropped out of the workforce. it's a tragic situation. and there's a conundrum right now that at the same time we have that number of people that are disenfranchised outside the workforce we have employers who can't find people to work. this is something -- >> in the same way that some people, including myself, by the way, think that manufacturing in america to some degree may be aknack ronnistic giving the advances we're having in technology what is happening in the retail world? do you think the same thing is happening there? >> well, you have a movement in retail that's moving online, obviously. >> right. >> create a level playing field there. what's happening is consumers are finding different ways to consume. women basically are consuming their aspirational items the way they traditionally have, through named brand outlets. online, and in brick and mortar. but they're also going in online consumption. and the other is, even women of money will consume consumable items at the cheapest rate, and at the most convenient.
and that's what's happening in retail right now. >> it does lead to a shift in terms of where the jobs are. overall, retail sales to governments measure of it is going up. people are still eating out. they're still buying cars and doing all kinds of things. but it -- the mall retail worker may have a very different environment. i guess where do you find more jobs like that? what happens to those people? >> well, that's morphing, right? you have online it moves to distribution, supply chain jobs, et cetera, et cetera. so we are seeing a growth in online because it's more efficient and cost effective. look at dollar general my real estate costs might have been 3% or 4% of sales. at walmart and some of these other big box retailers it's much higher than that. when you go online you don't have that cost of real estate. it's a big deal and they pass that along to their customers. so, it's a changing world in terms of consume shun. it's affecting the rest of the world, as well. >> you think we'll -- >> tax reform is part of this, but also regulatory reform. the amount of time it takes to get all of these approvals of different permits to get something done, whether it's a construction project, whether it's energy exploration, is
very, very long. it could take ten years to get the permits because there's a lot of capital out there. david and i meet with people around the country, the capital is ready to be deployed, which gets to the infrastructure part of that which will in many ways stimulate the economy. government investment may be a part of it, but regular whatter to reform is a significant part of it. and i think as tax reform we do all of these things. you can get back to 3% growth to the country. >> okay. senators, thank you. >> you guys stick around for a little bit longer. >> when we return we have some stocks to watch ahead of the opening bell on wall street. plus, we will wrap up our special hour conversation with senators john barrasso and david per due. on deck, right here on "squawk box," former major league baseball superstar alex rodriguez. and starwood capital chairman and ceo barry sternlicht. they'll step up to the plate and take a swing at the issues that matter most to your money. from game changing policy issues in washington, to market curveballs, we'll cover it all. grab a hot dog and a cold drink,
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fireeye. aig naming brian -- my pronunciation on the last name is going to be bad, duperreault as its new chief executive officer, he's going to replace peter hancock who resigned. he said in march that he would be stepping down when a successor was found and now he has. tesla downgraded to equal rate from overweight at morgan stanley. the firm saying the automaker facing an increasing risk of having to compete not only with other automakers but with tech companies like apple and google. and starbucks was upgraded to buy from hold to deutsche bank said the coffee chain is showing signs of overcoming labor problems as well as issues related to the mobile ordering system. >> still with us wyoming senator dr. john barrasso and georgia senator david per due. and gentlemen, we have talked about all sorts of issues that are facing you and facing washington right now. one thing we haven't really gotten back to are the entitlements. and how you pay for all of these initiatives that we're interested in doing. senator, per due, this is
something that's there all the time. >> well it is. i mean i think we have two crises in our country today. one is the global security crisis that you guys talked about earlier. but also we have a debt crisis that limits our ability to fund all of these other things we need to do as a country, including our military. but right now the baseline budget for the united states government means that over the next decade we'll add $10 trillion to this debt. and most of that is in our mandatory expenses. social security, medicare, medicaid. and the interest on the debt. which is going up every day. so, these are the priorities that i want us to deal with, in the american congress, and so far in the last two years we just really haven't done that. >> president trump has said he's not interested. >> in dealing with the entitlements. >> and is fine in the name of growth in increasing the debt. >> well -- >> you on board? >> we've had this conversation. >> i know. >> and there are steps to this progress. the first step is job one is getting the economy going again. >> right. >> senator barrasso? >> you can't cut your way to this. you need to grow your way through it. yesterday was mother's day. my mom's 94. the year she was born life expectancy for a woman in america was 56.
so for all the right reasons, we have, through advances in medicine and clean air and water and hygiene, all these things have added all these years. we've added all of these years to life expectancy in this country but we got the math wrong on social security and medicare. when social security was placed in. they didn't think people were going to live to 65. you listen to lyndon johnson's old speeches on medicare it was for the wit doughs because all the guys were going to be dead. >> and yet every time someone has one of these promises that have been made to them, good luck taking it away. how do you change that? >> and they have paid in, but they usually use up those resources long before the ages they're living to now. we have tidal waves in ternls of social security and medicare in terms of just cost to the economy that we need to continue to look at. and resolve over time. because 10,000 baby boomers today are turning 65 as they did yesterday, and will tomorrow, and we need to get to continue the economy growing and more people with jobs and working contributing. >> senators, want to thank you
both for taking the time to sit down with us today. we truly appreciate it. >> thanks. >> thanks for having us. >> this was fun. when we come back, a double dose of guest hosts. former professional baseball player alex rodriguez, a-rod is going to be joining us. starwood capital's barry sternlicht coming up. a special hour right after the break. look at all three of those gentlemen. what's the difference between all -- you know you got to pick out the one that's different. yeah, do it by bank account. the futures at this hour. take a quick look dow up 33 points. we will be back with a-rod in a second. ♪ it's been over 100 years since the first stock index was created, as a benchmark for average. yet a lot of people still build portfolios with strategies that just track the benchmarks. but investing isn't about achieving average. it's about achieving goals. and invesco believes doing that today requires the art and expertise of high-conviction investing. translation?
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all-star lineup. billionaire real estate guru barry sternlicht and yankees great alex rodriguez team up to talk about business and investing. and the heavy hitters don't stop there. investing titan mark hasry will be here to talk markets, the economy and the impact of president trump's agenda. >> bus larry robbins tells us where he's putting his money to work. a power hour of "squawk box" begins right now. ♪ live from the most powerful
city in the world, new york, this is "squawk box." >> kind of small and wimpy here. actually barry's here. >> oh! >> good morning. >> good morning. >> he does. he does. good morning and welcome back to "squawk box" here on cnbc live from the nasdaq marketsite in times square i'm joe kernen along with becky quick and andrew ross sorkin. our guest host barry sternlicht, ceo of starwood capital group. i was hugging you on that shot. how can i ask you hard questions? it's going to be if i seem worse than normal today it's because i'm like over, you know -- >> overcompensating. >> he's overcompensating. >> and a-rod is here. alex rodriguez, former mlb player, ceo of a-rod corp and maybe -- we may be buddies and colleagues at cnbc soon. >> maybe. possibly. >> we'll talk about that. and the headlines don't stop there. investing titans larry robbins
and mark lasry will join us on set in the next half hour. andrew we are so poor compared to the -- i was glad when the senators were here, you know what i mean? except per due, wait a minute, he's loaded too. >> yeah. >> we're not -- it's not going to get any better for us in the next hour. lasry robbinrobbins, sternlicht rodriguez. up 36 on the dow. i say to you andrew either this is not a constitutional crisis or the market doesn't know it's a constitutional crisis. and doesn't even know that the tax plan's going to get derailed yet. it's not -- things keep going up -- >> you think if taxes don't happen this year that the markets will sit up and pay attention to that? >> i don't know. but with all the deregulation just sort of the pro-business sentiment it just seems like things are okay businesswise. >> blinders are on. >> you know, you keep saying
that. just get in -- >> i just said it. >> just buy in the -- >> let's get you caught up on some of the headlines this morning. we have a multibillion dollar deal to tell you about in the medical space. scientific instruments maker thermofisher buying patheon, not pantheon, thank you joseph kernen. the price $5.2 billion exclusive of assumed debt. the price tag $35 per share in cash. asian governments and businesses reporting disruptions from the wanna cry ransomware worm. the cyber attack has now locked up hundreds of thousands of computers in more than 150 countries since friday. security experts warning of further disruptions today as more systems come online. people go into their office, turning their computers on. the bug exploits security flaw in microsoft windows xp software. microsoft president brad smith called the attack a quote wake-up call for governments around the world. check out shares of cybersecurity companies this morning, all trieding higher in the premarket.
you'd be happy if you own fireeye up almost 5.5%. japanese prime minister shinzo abe speaking exclusively to trade and the future of the trans-pacific partnership. >> translator: what is at stake now is to consider what is best for us at this juncture. as far as the direction of where we are going is concerned it is important that 11 countries are united. so that we can come up with a clear direction of where we want to go from this point onward. since the u.s. understands the importance of having free and fair rules in the trading world, by all means, our wishes that the u.s. will return to tpp. >> and president trump has called the trade deal a disaster. commerce secretary wilbur ross has called tpp a starting point. >> let's get to our newsmakers of the morning. barry sternlicht, starwood capital chairman and ceo, and i mean, a-rod. i have to say alex rodriguez the first time, i think. >> sure. >> but everybody -- does anyone ever call you -- i guess you do. your friends call you alex?
>> not my daughters. >> they call you dad? >> they call me dad. >> you should mention that alex rodriguez will host a new prime-time cnbc show back in the game. and i think -- and you're bshs but strahan is executive producer of this? >> yeah. michael and i, something that we've been very passionate about is taking athletes that have run into some bad luck. if you look at the data, it suggests that a lot of our players are going bankrupt way too soon. so it's an opportunity, a little bit like mark limones and the profit to get a chance to lend a helping hand and hopeful they they can get back on their feet and hopefully entertain some people at home. but more importantly that current athletes can hopefully look and be a little bit more pro-active about their careers. >> you are good. you mention the profit and mark limones. might be a good idea to watch "squawk box" and "squawk alley" throughout the day. you round things out with a little power lunch. halftime report and closing bell would all be -- >> right.
>> and then if you're interested in cars, jay leno's show was renewed. >> there you go. >> how do you guys -- how does this work? you two gentlemen? >> so i think we were talking yesterday, i think like five years ago alex called me out of the blue. and he was as passionate about baseball as he was passionate about business. and i say the smartest people i know, including in my own firm, are the ones who admit they don't know anything. or don't know enough. so alex started calling people, myself, some of your future guests today like mark lasry and sat down with me and said you can get the four seasons in new york city and we started talking, interested in real estate, he's been successful in real estate and we stayed friends and i moved to miami, and we typically we seech other quite a bit down there. he called me up and said we're here tonight as robin hood gala and alex, i was chair of robin hood for two years. larry robbins will come on later, the current chair of robin hood, and alex co-chaired
the dinners tonight. he said let's do cnbc. i said, well, i'll ask. and you guys said great. so we're here. and i got -- it's all good. >> alex i remember talking to you about a decade ago, because this is something that you have been focused on for as long as i know. i mean it looked like you were always pursuing two career paths to me. not just baseball but also making sure you were involved in business and a life after baseball. >> yeah. i mean like ever since i was 10 years old i sat on my father's lap. i had two dreams. one was to be a major league baseball player. but that usually never happens. and two was to be a ceo or a coo of some public company. just got an opportunity now very early on to make my first investment when i was in my early 20s, buy a little duplex. i was always thinking about life after baseball even before my rookie year. get a chance to hang out with some of the smartest people in the world in barry, and guys like mark lasry and it's been a
great pleasure. >> how did you figure out who you wanted to talk to? what set your sights on barry as somebody you thought you could learn from? >> first of all you know the power of brand. i've been fortunate to play over twelve years with the greatest brand in the world i think with the new york yankees. great ownership, great infrastructure, great leadership. >> you knew him from cincinnati. that's just -- >> now i got a little nauseous there. the greatest brand in -- >> never managed -- >> and my dad -- >> that's what you're -- you stole don. you remember '76 i guess? >> i do. i do. i remember the world series -- >> that's how far back i got to go. >> the best world series ever. >> it was. so with barry just a chance to be around the best. i see the power with the yankees have built over so many years. barry with starwood, the story is incredible. and you get a chance to learn from people like barry. >> amazing. so -- >> he didn't teach me baseball. >> it wasn't like a two-way street. >> what role -- i mean, will -- i know you know warren, too.
will the alex rodriguez company 30 years from now look like berkshire? or will it be real estate? where will you be? media? what else is, you know, on the horizon for you. >> that's a great question. you think about five year plans and they never work out. you take it one day at a time. you spend time with the smartest people you can in the world. >> well you're here today. i think that's -- >> surround myself -- exception for today. but you know -- >> you've seen the show i guess. >> i like kind of the private equity style of investing where you kind of take it where opportunity takes you. one thing is for sure you build yourself with the best team, surround yourself with the greatest, smartest minds in the world and go out and do some collaboration. >> i will say, he's a great baseball player, we know that. but he's a really thoughtful businessman. and i thought it was interesting to introduce him to the business community the way i know him so that's why, you know, i thought it would be fun to come on tonight. and he's a wonderful philanthropic guy. so when i asked him to chair the
dinner tonight for robin hood he was like, sure, i'll do it. and later on he started dating this attractive young lady who will be at the dinner tonight. so if you haven't bought your tickets there might be two or three left and you can bid for them if you want outside. >> he's working it right here. >> for robin hood. >> when barry calls you and e-mails you and goes, hey, i have an idea. you answer really quickly and say the answer is yes, barry, what's the question. >> well, there you go. so we're going to work on tax reform next. >> bigger issue, parry, so, i mean, i think eight years ago you were open to what was starting, four years ago you're like, what the hell happened, and now are you -- are you back to where i mean, in terms of the private sector, and how it's treated, we're in a better position right now? >> oh, no question. but, it's so -- such an attractive environment for business leaders, which your prior guest talked about. the negative is we don't succeed
the backlash could be significant. so donald really needs to succeed. and i just hope he stays on the main script which is the business script around his five -- his five big initiatives. >> the regulations have been good. >> deregulation is good but you've got to get it done. >> but even the bully pulpit can help in terms -- >> i agree. and stopping new regulations. >> barry, you say all things are great -- >> i didn't say all things are great. >> how much money have you invested since january? >> well i mention -- >> as a function of all this? >> i think -- i actually think we have the inverse trump effect right now in the economy. which is a new tax reform. i'm an individual, and my capital gains tax is going to drop, i might just wait to sell stuff. so the real estate deals i actually think are going to see fewer transactions until this is cleared up. what's coming? and then i'll sell my stuff into a lower capital gains environment. sometimes it's the real estate. >> but -- >> but if you're long the trump economy, if you think the trump economy is going to be great, i
would think -- and the whole goal of this exercise is to get people like you to invest in the real economy, i would measure his success by whether you're investing in the real economy, not whether you're selling. >> i think investors i think major investors are somewhat cautious, right? because we have this border tax issue. we don't know exactly where to put our next plan. we haven't been able to repatriate the cash yet that we'd like to repatriate and if we get it we want to build something here. >> warren buffett -- >> you're in this bod frank kind of fuzzy environment except now it's just the broader economy, not just the banks. it feels good, the trajectory is good but we need to get it over with so we know what the rules of engagement are. >> and the uncertainty is still there. all the things you said are the same things warren buffett, charlie munger and bill gates told us a week ago. you're hoping for better results. >> the bond market is the true, to me the true arbiter of the pace of this growth. the baond, the 10-year bond is still quite low. 2.40 something this morning. >> the bond market you could also say it's not just a reflection of what's happening in washington it's a reflection
of what's happening around the globe. >> true. but if this economy were really moving forward, if they really thought we were going to get all these things done quickly the 10-year would move pretty fast. and you're going to have two rises in short rates, the curve's really going to flatten unless -- and that tells you, should be slowing the economy. i think he really needs to get dg -- look we don't have a labor force base that he needs to create these jobs. we are going to build bridges, roads, tunnels with american workers and american manufacturing companies we don't have the capacity or the workers. >> i'm told that -- >> we're in a very underemployed environment i'm told. i'm told we're so far from full employment we don't even know what we're talking about. >> not true. >> you sure? >> not true. >> i know it's not true but i have people lie to me every day on the set. >> they're older and they've left the workforce some of them. there's a couple million of them but it's not 10 million. it's not 15 million. it's a few. there's a bunch on disability that probably should get back working. i'd like to see them get back to work. you saw that number pop. but in general, i think you don't have 20 million people.
have some underemployed people. but they're also working three jobs. but we have to end that. and i agree with trump we have to end the guys who are federal handouts, you know, and piling up again fits, as well as working part-time and making $60,000 and get a free phone. that's not what this country can afford. we need to get back to work. and i think we're going to crush it but we've got to get -- we've got to get clarity on some of these initiatives. and right now they're all pipe dreams. >> we all feel good because they're all good things for business. right? and they'll help the economy. so i'm really excited about that. everything else is a side show unfortunately. >> hmm. >> which do you agree with, joe? >> i agree with, you know, about 60%, 70%. i'd be looking for some -- which is a pretty good number. >> for me that's good with you. >> i'd be looking for wage gains. >> there should be wage gains. >> well they're not happening yet which is an indication that what you're seeing is not just a slam dunk. i think there are people that
are -- that are 40 to 54 that are out of the workforce and has nothing to do with -- and i think when you -- what you alluded to it, if you can stay home and not buy a suit, and not pay for gas to go to work, and not pay for child care, and you can somehow get benefits totalling up to $50,000 a year -- >> in some states it's like $58,000. >> $58,000. >> now that's different by state. >> then you also don't have the satisfaction of earned success and the dignity of work -- >> just not what -- >> i mean we've seen that playbook in other parts of the world. >> right. >> and you know how what the end result -- >> it's been fascinating and the french elections were fascinating, right? the whole -- it's been a -- it's been -- >> were you surprised with how the french election went down? >> i was relieved. no i guess at the end of the day the french, the one country that i've invested in that i don't want to invest in balls it is a virtually a socialist communist country, and i can say that, and
it's very hard to invest in france as a business leader because they change the tax regimes and they don't really want you to make money at the end of the day. i'll invest all over the world and it's one of the most difficult places to invest. having said that, i mean europe is moving forward right now. asia is okay. the u.s. is okay. it's not great. and we have to get going. and i think when we do, you're going to see great things from the economy, and people will be satisfied i think with the administration. he's got four years. he's like what 100 and something odd days into it. >> well certainly a bumpy road. >> we'll see what he's got for you. we'll see -- right, buddy? we'll see about that. >> that i'm not -- >> he will be here -- >> you've got 14,000 apartments? >> we mack 14,000. we own about 9,000. >> he's been at it a long time -- >> can't say -- >> that's the only way that it looks like a small -- >> very small. >> but -- >> overhere. >> more importantly they're
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it is infrastructure week in washington. a national week of education and advocacy based around one message that it is time to build an america. joining us right now is tom donahue. the president and ceo of the united states chamber of commerce, and tom, thanks for being here. it's great to see you today. >> it's great to be back. >> you know, we found an issue that the chamber of commerce and the afl-cio can degree on. you think we could get the two
sides of congress to actually agree on some infrastructure spending. >> i absolutely do. i think we can do it in a bipartisan way. i think we can work together to find the money to make this work from the private sector, the investment sector, and the government. and i'm very optimistic about everything except we're going to have to work very hard about changing government rules and regulations on permitting and how long it takes to get things done or we'll be spending a long time talking about it, not doing it. >> we've already heard from some of the members of the infrastructure advisory group, that's certainly something they're focused on. when you're talking about infrastructure, that means a lot of different things. a lot of different projects to a lot of different people. where do you think the money should be focused? what do you think is job one? >> i think there are two things to focus on. number one, we have to focus on the big projects. the things that are fundamental to the future of the economy. the things that will employ a lot of people.
the projects that on their own weight will drive economic growth in the future. the second thing is, we have to think very, very carefully, as we do that along with all the highway and transportation issues, where we're going to get the workers. you see we're a very now with people without jobs, but huge numbers of jobs without people. and if you talk to the construction people and you talk to the design people and all these folks they'll tell you that if we go to a very big increase program the question of where we get the people may be question number one. >> that's a great point and not something we talk about very often. what we do hear an awful lot about is how you pay for all of it. how do you think we should go about doing that? should we raise the gas tax as the president has said he's considering? should we be taking some of the money that is repatriated, if we come up with a new tax plan and losing that? what are your ideas? >> i think you have to take all
the ideas that are on the table and try and explain them quickly. you know if we went out to buy a new house, we don't generally go pay cash for it. we put a mortgage. many people when they buy a car, which they hope to have for ten years, they pay for it over time. and that's how we have to do these major infrastructure projects. and they're investors in the business community, and people in the investment community, in the united states, and all over the world, that are prepared to come here and invest their money in sound projects. so therefore we don't have to come up with a trillion dollars worth of cash. what you need to figure out is how do we pay the -- remember we pay our every month we pay our mortgage. well, when you get major investments in infrastructure problems -- projects every quarter, every year, you have to pay the fee for that time to pay down the loan, or the investment.
and it's very, very important to figure out how to do that. the cash is there. what do we do to get the short run money? elaine chao, the secretary of transportation, said today, or yesterday, that the government was prepared to put $200 billion into the system. well, you put that in over some years, you've got to start. yes, the gas tax, which hasn't gone up in 24 years on a national level, while the states have always raised their gas tax, is a helpful way to get a small amount of the money we need and we'll look for other creative ways to raise the money to pay down the debt. but we have got to get those investments. we don't have a trillion dollars. >> tom, thank you very much for your time. it's great to see you. >> thank you. coming up when we return, if the enemy of your enemy is your friend, then lyft and waymo
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capital's chairman and ceo, and alex rodriguez the founder and ceo of a-rod corp, and he's done a few other things in his career, too. alex, there have been some reports that have been out there about potentially joining that group that's interested in buying the marlins. can you tell us anything about that? >> yeah, sure. first of all, i'm from miami. so there were some crazy rumors out there. i'm here to tell you that the group is very, very impressive. strong balance sheet, very intellectual. if you look at going back to the late '70s, private equity, lbls, they're the master. the track record speaks for itself. but i want to make it clear, i was never offered an ownership or position with the marlins. but i don't want to bury the headlines here. because, any time families like rodman, bush, jeter, wanted to pour capital into a game, that's a great day for baseball. >> what do you think long-term of the valuations of all these sports teams given the conversation we've been having here this morning but also just for weeks and months now on end
about espn and ratings, about whether you think regional sports networks ultimately get pushed onto a different band on a cable -- on cable over the top, all that? >> i mean it's a loaded question. i would say that like real estate you buy the best and forget the rest. when you have great brands like the yankees, the red sox, the mets, look at tom ricketts what he did with the chicago cubs. he bought them for eight and change, $850 million or so in 2009. he brought in joe madden then brought in jon lester and that straight line took that franchise from $850 million to some think is north of $3 billion today. >> what happened -- remember we used to talk about guggenheim and the dodgers. >> yes. and they made that work. >> they did only make it work. >> yeah. >> i don't know it's like new york real estate. you really think that these things peak and then they never go down. >> they don't seem to go down. >> they never go down -- they never go back to the way they were. >> but the problem, of course,
in sports as alex said is you do need 20 teams in a league. you can't have four teams. you know, everyone else can't be dying, and although it has worked. the payroll of the yankees have been significant. right? and other cities like milwaukee play the game with the payroll a quarter of the size of the yankees? >> yeah, i mean, look, it's a different game today because the business model is basically as an owner you try to break even, lose a few million, make a few million. these guys are not throwing out a lot of cash, if you're able to hold it and withstand the pain for 20, 25 years history says you'll do pretty well. >> when you talk about making or losing 5 million dollars here or there, whatever it is, that's with the cable contract. >> that's with everything. as a whole there's 30 teams but what revenue sharing has done is brought teams like the marlins and the oakland a's and minnesota, kansas city royals went to two world series. our game has never been healthier. i think the one concern for our game, we've gone from 1 billion to 10 billion from 1994 when i
entered to today. post revenue. and the commissioner said he wants to get up to 15 billion. the one thing that i see that may be an issue unlike football and basketball is we're losing iconic stars. we have terrific players. i'd love to see our game exact some more energy and finance behind it. >> why is miami both baseball -- virtually every sport, except for the nba i think, struggled? >> well, i think look, the dolphins have a rich history going back to don shula and dan marino and the '72 dolphins. you know, they did a marvelous job of running that franchise. i think the marlins is tricky, right, because there's maybe a distrust from the fans. so whoever comes in i think you have two or three year goodwill, you're able to come in, set your team, set your infrastructure, get a tv deal which is not good. get a radio deal that is not good. and if you just look at the
radio deal and tv deals between dodgers and compare them to the marlins that right there, you can figure out that problem, that's a good step. >> that's also insurmountable problem. with the audience it's not that big. the question is whether the contracts, the tv contracts continue or drive than driving the value. >> right. >> of all these sports franchises and whether they continue to sky rocket, and whether these companies these channels that have taken sports, will they dominate, will they have the capital to keep paying ever more for these events? not just true of baseball, true of the olympics and other events that have sort of been disaggregated now. there's so many options for consumers. i don't know if these contracts keep going up. i don't know if nbc, cbs, same thing with golf, we don't know if these sports -- >> but the expectation is that the dotcom players may jump in and spend more money, that google -- >> it is content at the end of the day. it's content, like a movie. just happens to be this one -- >> and the game, you think about
the 1960s we had about 25 million people watching us live. when i entered the game in '94 there was around 60 million. we're up to about 75 million to 81 million. i think this year we had over 81 million people watching. >> that's good because if you look at the value of the contract in those years, '94 to today probably gone from $100 million to $8 billion. like the tv contracts. so it's followed that. it reminds me of real estate. they talk about retail on fifth avenue or madison avenue. these stores will stay full but their rents will come down. >> we're going to go to break. >> people will watch -- >> we need a designated hitter. some management strategy, pitcher's got to hit, you know, would be when do you pinch-hit. when do you pull -- i mean that was the biggest mistake. anyway, coming up, just when you thought our lineup of all-star newsmakers couldn't get any better, two investing titans are on deck, marc lasry, larry robbins will join us on set right after the break. stay tuned. "squawk box" will be right back. (counting for hide n' seek.)
good morning. welcome back to "squawk box" right here on cnbc live at the nasdaq marketsite in times square. we want to get to our panel of all-stars. already having a little too much fun this morning. marc lasry, ceo and co-founder. larry robbins is here founder of ceo of glenview capital management. also chairman of robin hood. barry sternlicht and a-rod, former new york yankees player but ceo of a-rod corp. we've learned he is a real estate mogul in the making. you call yourself jv but i'm giving you varsity right there. thanks. wee want to talk to everybody here. but i want to go to larry first, because tonight's a big night. you've been trying to sell tickets by saying that a-rod's going to be there. so let's try -- >> you could see a-rod, too. >> a-rod is going to be there too. tell us what tonight means for
those uninitiated. >> sure. first of all i'm pleased to be the 11th chairman of robin hood which is a 29-year-old organization. barry and ten other great leaders preceded me. and tonight's an important night because we will hope to build upon the challenge grant that ken griffin from citadel gave of $15 million in order to invest in both love and leadership. robin hood funds over 200 community partners in new york city solely for the purpose of fighting poverty, elevating educational standards, elevating living standards, for our neighbors in need. and unfortunately there's $1.8 million in poverty -- >> you guys raise a small fortune every year when you do this dinner. we've been privileged to be at. what did you raise last year? >> i believe it was $61 million raised last year. we also invest a small fortune. so the truth is, is that the beauty of robin hood is that every dollar raised in one year is an investment in the community the next year. and so, unfortunately, it's not like we're building a building where we can then say the building's done, the investment
is done, we can all breathe a sigh of relief. because the needs are persistent, therefore our fund-raising needs are persistent. and so we're exceedingly grateful for the generosity of people last year helping us raise $61 million. we, of course, hope to raise a big number again tonight. right. but we also are gratified by the fact we're celebrating a new incoming leader. wes more -- >> great. >> we appreciate you doing that. so we're excited about tonight. one of our co-chairs, alex is sitting next to me. so it will be a star filled room and hopefully an exciting event for the most important thing will be to shine a spotlight on the work. >> let's talk markets in between all of this. because i want to talk to lasry over here. >> sure. >> when we first saw you at the beginning of this year i think that this was going to be a 10% up year. >> yes. >> in the markets. you want to change -- this is your opportunity to call a friend or change your view. >> where is the market up now? i'm more than half right, right? >> more than half right. you want to know if you're
still -- >> also said at the time he's not an equity guy at all. >> that's true. that's true. >> didn't learn anything last time when we were -- >> you're just -- >> why do we care what he thinks about stock? >> well -- >> to your point -- >> you would be the first to say that's not your thing? >> i'd be the first. i think what ends up happening is the reason why the equity markets would be out, just suddenly because the economy's doing well. and everybody's been pretty positive about what's happening, and deregulation. so you thought at a minimum that's what it should be. just when you look around, most businesses are pretty excited about what's going on. and people are starting to reinvest in the economy. >> you think the markets have the cut in it already? do you think into the pop in the equity markets? >> i think it was more in the beginning. >> yeah. >> i think now it's gone down a little bit. because i think it's going to be hard. i think it's going to be tough to get that thing passed.
>> they get it done this year? >> i hope they do. i mean i'd like them to -- >> corporate tax. >> yeah the corporate tax. i think the corporate tax they should be able to. >> larry, where do you land on that? you are a real equities guy. >> this pretender over here -- >> all stressed -- >> we can do that, too. >> i thought it was funny mark said he hopes it gets done, and one provisions and tax reform may be that you can't deduct corporate interest expense which will probably create more distress for companies so maybe that's why marc wants to get done so he can have a supply -- >> more distress -- >> to get creative. look the market's trading about 18 or 19 times earnings. we're in a low growth, low interest rate environment. we know that expectations since the election have gone straight up both consumer and business confidence. we know that the first quarter gdp numbers, and in fact first quarter consumer spending numbers did not go straight up. they went the other way, and so that rubber band between the expectation gap and the economic gap will get resolved as we move through the year.
most likely the truth lies somewhere in the middle and most likely marc's characterization of the market is correct, we'll likely grind higher. what we do and what many do is not try and figure out where the s&p is going to be but find value underneath. we're finding lots of value with companies that are keeping focused on executing their own businesses, growing and in fact we think m&a is an increasing driver of earnings per share and value per share we're focused on a lot of internal growth stories that also -- >> let me ask you because you raise a lot of money from the hedge fund community for robin hood. hedge fund industry has gone through a bit of a rough patch and maybe i'm being even polite about it, in that case. >> sure. >> do you think that we've had a turn here in the past couple of months? >> look, i think you had a period from the middle of 2015, through about february, about february 21st plus or minus, you know, a few minutes, of 2016. we're all hiding under our desks back then.
and where people were valuing stocks based upon who owned them. or based upon the q sheet they were in or balance sheet rather than about what the companies did and since then it's not just in the past few months, frankly if you look at both hedge fund performance or even just active manager performance, since march 1st of last year, right, that of course is then coming self-correcting. ultimately buffett's comment that the market's a weighing machine not just a voting machine is accurate. it just depends on your time horizon. hedge funds are criticized for short-term thinking, for asking investors to wait over a psych until order for the returns to be there. ultimately, you know, there's of course a lott of hedge funds, and not all of them will be of equal quality but i think the concept of active management that people will invest their capital where it's best used but engage those companies actively as owners i don't think that's dead a year ago today or 100 years from now, i think that's a timeless business. >> marc, where are you putting your money? you've been around europe a lot? yes? that chrome thing came as a surprise to you? >> no.
>> you were surprised on brexit though. >> yes. >> yeah, we were. but i think -- >> he's -- >> i think calling for -- i thought -- >> -- with an accent -- >> look i think the opportunities in europe, you've got far more opportunities in europe than you do here. and the simple reason is there is a lot more stress on the system. so there you have the ecb trying to deleverage the system. so that's actually yeah for us, we are able to invest out there. there just isn't that much -- >> what did retail -- >> europe, u.s.? >> i would say it's 70/30 right now. >> wow. >> are you thinking that you're going to be able to start buying up retail bonds like crazy? >> i think so. >> the bonds of retail companies? >> yeah. >> you think the whole retail complex is about to fall to paces. would be an interesting place -- >> i think on the equity side
retail's gone down quite a bit. i think on the debt side it's starting to. so we're probably still about a year away for the opportunities for us. >> you don't feel that in the commercial real estate? >> you know, i was looking at some numbers in the malls. our sales are down 0.6% across 24 malls year-to-date in the end line stores which is what a mall owner owns. we don't own the anchors. they're owned by federated or now macy's or dillards, sears, we actually with all due respect to sears, they're usually the weakest performing store in the mall. we would like them to go away. we'd like to buy their box back and put an apartment store -- somebody in there. in a mall in texas we put in a crayola experience, which is a new concept. equinox. we put in a cineplex, new huge movie concept, and the mall's doing great. so i mean, it's an evolution. >> barry, you tend to be in the top category of malls though.
>> yeah the bad ones are going bye-bye. >> do you think as an issue of foot traffic or just the rent we've outrun the rents because they're getting too expensive? >> the foot traffic is trending down. but people are smart about the way they shop and it depends where it is. you have destination retail. the whole -- every owner of a ret retail -- in lincoln nebraska. how do i get people to come into this mall or come into my store? i'm going to have to change what i do in this store. you're seeing this thunder bolt of amazon's accelerating the whole process. some will figure it out and some will blow up and he'll be dancing in the streets with the debt and i'll be calling him up to restructure these guys. so can we go to larry on some of the equity ideas? he has some really good equity ideas -- >> about the debt -- >> i've been talking about the stress test so i had the privilege of doing the conference a week ago and we talked about three particular
names all of which kind of illustrate this example of companies that not only are growing but are doing transformative acquisitions. unfortunately, over the last couple of years, announced deals take forever in order to complete. dow and dupont in november of 2015 said they were going to merge now we think maybe in august of '17 they might actually be able to do that. and one of the conditions was they had to sell not only a business, but 15 compounds from their r&d pipeline to somebody who could develop it to become a competitor. what a great opportunity for fmc who got to buy that for about $3 billion to not only get an advantaged acquisition from a buying a distressed -- asset from a distressed seller but also to get the compounds so they have pipeline of innovation for the next ten years their earnings which are about $3 this year are going to be about $5.5 or $6 in 2018 so while we're all trying to figure out how do we make an extra 5% or 3% or 10% there are companies like fmc or
dxe technologies performance who are literally seeing their earnings double over a couple year period as a result of these transformative acquisitions. a company we've oend for a while thermofisher scientific today just announced $7.2 billion transaction. we've owned them continuously since 2003. i don't want to give hedge funds a bad name but yes we did own something continuously for 14 years and it's one of a series of successful acquisitions they've done there where they're deploying capital logical in the strategy, in this case it's 3% accretive and it extends through capital employment. we would just encourage people as they're doing their own work to find companies that are not only growing in this economy that we are not sure whether it's going to accelerate or decelerate in the next twelve months, but also that they're doing the things internally to accelerate earnings growth. >> i think you got caught off before one of the other questions do you believe what premium do you think is in the stock market just broadly speaking when it relates to the
policy -- the legislative policies that are on offer -- >> investings like -- not like olympic diving like in olympic diving you take the dive and multiply by a degree of difficulty score to get a total. in investing whether you answer a difficult question or an easy question all you get is the score. so quite honestly, whether there's 3% or 4% either way in the market or not in the market for tax reform it's a very difficult question to answer and we're not really trying to answer that one. my best guess is that when the first time that repeal and replace couldn't get out of the house, most people assume that no legislation was going to get passed this year. so whatever deflation of the tax reform premium that was in the market maybe early in the first quarter i think that the wind has come out of the sails a little bit. all right. i think the odds have to be now less than 50% that we're going to get tax reform this year so it's certainly something that needs to be addressed. >> totally different topic for lasry, i don't know if you talk about sports. sports valuations but since you own a team you're in this with
him right? >> yeah. huge, huge, huge. >> what do you think is going -- >> what do you think -- >> season tickets -- >> oh, no. >> one seat. >> what do you think of the valuations of sports teams in an era where there seems to be pressure on ratings and questions about the valuations or the cable deals that may come in the future for regional sports networks? >> i think they're actually only going up. all seriousness you sort of look at all these teams what everybody wants is live. so whether it ends up being -- you may see that cable, you know, so cable is going down a little bit. but that amazon or google or any of those companies -- >> -- talking about earlier. >> -- are going to want that. it's just the thirst for live programming is just huge and i think what we're seeing, for us is we're just starting that in trying to do deals with google or trying to do deals with sort
of amazon or all these different groups out there. there are going to be broadcast deals, yeah. so you're going to find that -- >> in lieu of what the -- >> it will end up being in lieu of. so our deal now is for the next ten years. >> won't the networks push back and try to get exclusive right you going to play an nbc or an espn against a google ultimately? >> ultimately, that's where it is. eight or nine years from now. because you're locked in for the next nine years. >> that's the biggest market cap. >> remember, if you -- if you sort of remember when we -- the last deal that was eight years ago or i'm sorry, nine or ten years ago was at a billion -- i think it was $900 million. everybody thought at the time they -- >> the last cable -- >> the last nba contract was $900 million and the new one was $2.7 billion. all right, so i think there's room -- >> ten years. >> short it at your own peril.
>> i think it's a blast owning nba teams. >> marc lasry, thank you for coming in. and larry, thank you. if you don't have tickets, can they still get tickets for real, larry? tonight. >> yes, a few tickets. >> if you don't like any of us, coldplay is closing. come see coldplay. that's a good close. >> absolutely. yes, we would welcome it, robinhood.org for those who want more information. >> a-rod is sticking around. barry is sticking around. we're back with a lot more in a moment. >> thank you very much. brian, i just need to know if the customer app will be live monday. can we at least analyze customer traffic? can we push the offer online? brian, i just had a quick question. brian? brian... legacy technology can handcuff any company. but "yes" is here. you're saying the new app will go live monday?! yeah. with help from hpe, we can finally work the way we want to. with the right mix of hybrid it, everything computes.
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because we're helping leading companies lead with digital. our guest host this morning bernie sternlicht and alex rodriguez. this is what i want to talk about, who will host a new primetime cnbc show called "back in the game." with -- okay, so strahan is the executive producer. this is about this old story about guys that make a lot of money in sports and tragically or sadly seem to squander it a lot of times they get taken advantage of by guys with bad investments, right? >> you do. if you look at the data, joe, it's pretty predictable. you make 90% of your money from age 20 to 30.
>> right. >> less than 5% of the guys have a college degree. and you know, what happens from age 30 to 80? and if i had just that information alone, i'm not a stockbroker -- >> you have done really well. have you had people come to you with things that you knew weren't going to pan out and did you ever go with one of these -- you know, you dream about something and you were taken advantage of, did that ever happen? >> absolutely, joe. >> it did? >> any athlete -- i played for almost 23 years and i loved business for a long time but i wasn't seasoned. i didn't have an a-plus team around you. you find you overpay for stuff, you get the wrong debt structure, you pay a little bit too much. you don't give yourself a safety net. and you strike out and you get a better team and hang out with barry. i can partner up with really great and smart people that are smarter than me and i think one
plus one equals three. i hope we can give athletes a place to put some of the 340 knee -- think about every player. if you're 19 or 20 and 10% of your money you give to barry and you can only touch it at 45, we're making a bet that joe will make better decisions at 45 than at 25 and my money is on barry every time. >> i'm not going to steal from what you cover on the show. so there must be five rules that you should -- there must be ways to spot people that are trying to take advantage of these guys. >> hire your family. they often do that, right? >> that's one. >> 99% of the answer should be no. the other basic things, right, there's no personal guarantees. it's the guarantee that crushes you every time. and, you know, you have to be aligned with your partners. >> you don't know what you're doing, you give the guarantees away. you see it in real estate. personal guarantee, you guarantee the debt. you don't think about it, hey, you guarantee this, i want your
house and your kids. >> when things are going fine, no big deal. it's not the equity that gets you in trouble, but the guarantee that gets you in trouble. >> you'll be on again. you -- we'll be back and get -- >> hold on, a-rod will be back too. he's coming back. >> we'll see. a-rod has a lot going on. >> i gave you the closing moment. >> yeah. >> actually, i did. >> gentlemen, thank you both for being here. a pleasure. we do appreciate it. that does it for us. right now, time for "squawk on the street." ♪ good morning. welcome to "squawk on the street." i'm carl quintanilla with sara eisen and david faber. cramer is on assignment. the market takes stock of the global cyber attack, the north korean missile test and a final wave of retail earnings that are headed our way this week.